[00:34] <rww> lol, valorie just used it in a blog post
[00:35] <valorie> I warned genii I was stealing it.....
[00:37] <k1l_> "my precious"
[03:39] <[asimov]> Why was [asimov] banned?
[03:39] <rww> ban evasion
[03:40] <[asimov]> false
[03:40] <rww> okay. are we talking about #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:40] <[asimov]> sustained
[03:41] <rww> try one of the answers "#ubuntu" or "#ubuntu-offtopic"
[03:41] <rww> oh, you're ban evading here too
[03:41] <rww> !appeals
[03:42] <rww> See the wiki link to see how you should escalate this if you feel like we're wrong. You will be removed from this channel after your next message (upon which I presume you will have read this one).
[03:43] <[asimov]> you disagree?
[04:42] <valorie> such a meanie, rww
[04:42] <valorie> :-)
[04:42] <rww> that one's wasted a whole heck of a lot of operator time :(
[18:18] <k1l> [ODB2] (~ODB@90.211.191.158): Elliot Rodger      that realname is pointing into a direction
 yeh, if you hold down shift and press chink key
[18:21]  * Jordan_U wonders why they haven't been banned yet.
[18:21] <k1l> because if you swing the banhammer you are a bad op.
[18:21] <Pici> They've been warned enough
[18:21] <ODB2> yo
[18:21] <ODB2> why have I been banned?
[18:22] <Jordan_U> ODB2: You used racial slurs multiple times, which is never appropriate, and continued to do so after being asked to stop.
[18:22] <ODB2> Jordan_U I will refrain in future
[18:22] <ODB2> please would you kindbly unblock
[18:23] <ODB2> *kindly
[18:24] <Jordan_U> ODB2: First I'd like you to read the channel guidelines, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines , completely so that you understand what type of conduct is expected in #ubuntu.
[18:25] <ODB2> Language and Subject - Duly noted
[18:26] <ODB2> I however feel that your response was disproportionate
[18:26] <ODB2> in light of the racial slurs out there
[18:26] <ODB2> and in this particular incidence there was no such context of racial hatred
[18:26] <ODB2> however, I accept your ruling
[18:28] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Ok. Please do try to be more concientious of what you say in #ubuntu in the future, and remember that it is a technical support channel.
[18:28] <ODB2> Noted
[18:28] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Thank you. You should now be able to re-join #ubuntu.
[18:39] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Please change the "Real Name" field in your IRC client.
[18:43] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Your ban has been re-instated as I frankly expect that you will try to be intentionally offensive in #ubuntu again. Feel free to discuss your ban again, but realize that you'll have to convince us that you will not simply try to troll the channel again before the ban will be removed.
[18:46] <Havenstance2> ...How would one know that is not his real name? Pretty sure that there would be multiples in this world and I've Personally seen ODB2 on the server plenty of times in the past. In fact he has helped me with one or two issues in the past. Not second guessing you Jordan_U but rather offering a second opinion :)
[18:47] <Jordan_U> Havenstance2: It's possible, but that combined with the racial slurs is not likely to be anything but trolling. Is there anything we can help you with?
[18:47] <ODB2> we;;;
[18:48] <ODB2> I'm currently not on the channel as far as I'm aware
[18:48] <ODB2> but I do genuinely contribute at times
[18:48] <ODB2> feel free to keep the ban if you wish
[18:48] <ODB2> I don't see how I would be able to convince you otherwise
[18:49] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Contributions do not entitle you to troll. If you're done here please leave #ubuntu-ops per our no-idling policy.
[18:49] <phunyguy> "policy"...
[18:49] <ODB2> ta ta for now
[18:49] <phunyguy> (sorry, I hate that word)
[18:50] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: Any suggestion for a better word/phrase? "As per our channel topic"?
[18:50] <k1l> rule, guideline, law,...
[18:50] <phunyguy> Yes that sounds better
[18:51] <phunyguy> guideline != law/rule/etc
[18:52] <phunyguy> I think just quoting the topic is a good idea.  Because it really isn't as much of a rule as it is just a way of keeping the channel clear.
[18:53] <phunyguy> and since the channel is publicly logged, it shouldn't be that big of a deal for folks to be present... it just makes it easier for us to know who has an issue that needs to be resolved.
[18:54] <k1l> from my experience things get out of hands way faster if there are several users in here.
[18:54] <phunyguy> so?
[18:55] <phunyguy> this channel is to resolve issues/bans/etc.  That would happen regardless of someone being here.
[18:56] <k1l> no i dont agree on that
[18:57] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: My reason for asking this time was that I have other things to do, and if the aren't in the channel I don't feel as much of an obligation to check the channel regularly to follow up on a discussion I started.
[18:57] <Jordan_U> s/the/they/
[18:59] <phunyguy> Jordan_U, I don't see an issue with asking folks to leave.  I think we should just be more careful with words.  We have grown a habit of stating things are "rules"/"policies"/etc... but that isn't really what it is.
[19:00] <phunyguy> We have Guidelines, and a Code of Conduct.
[19:00] <phunyguy> neither of them mention idling in the -ops channel as being a rule.
[19:00] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: Thank you, I'll try to be more careful with my words in the future.
[19:01] <phunyguy> :)
[20:24] <bazhang> "A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst  and trusty?
[20:31] <genii> I guess you could use grub1 instead of grub2 if you really wanted.
[20:31] <bazhang> or lilo
[20:32] <genii> Heh, yes
[20:32] <bazhang> !info yum
[20:32] <phunyguy> yeah those amazon images may very well use grub 12
[20:32] <phunyguy> 1**
[20:32] <phunyguy> it is entirely possible.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> echo "apt-get install yum; yum install lilo" | sudo bash
[20:34]  * Jordan_U feels dirty
[20:35] <phunyguy> lol
[20:36] <genii> Yes, yes you should.
[20:36] <phunyguy> that was brilliant