[00:07] <kgb> a virtual camera? o.0
[00:08] <Andthenitwas> Virtual webcam.
[00:08] <Andthenitwas> I tried setting up one with webcamstudia - to no avail...
[00:12] <bah_> hi.. I try to set up short-keys so hey work the same way in different applications, for next tab I want to use control+tab but it seems like the editable accelerator don\t accept the tab key,  Is there a way to fix this _
[00:13] <bah_> ?
[00:13] <bah_> *don\t   don't
[00:31] <NRDisciple> hey guys need some help installing xubuntu on a friend's computer.  They only have a cd drive, so i had to download and burn the mini.iso
[00:31] <NRDisciple> now that i'm setting it up with the ubuntu installer menu
[00:31] <holstein> NRDisciple: with the ubuntu mini iso installer?
[00:31] <NRDisciple> yes
[00:32] <NRDisciple> it fails to install now
[00:32] <NRDisciple> for some reason
[00:32] <NRDisciple> under detect and mount CD_Rom
[00:32] <holstein> NRDisciple: you'll need to elaborate on some level
[00:32] <NRDisciple> it says that the CD cannot be used for installation
[00:32] <holstein> NRDisciple: those iso's are so small, i would just make sure you have the proper one
[00:32] <holstein> !md5
[00:32] <holstein> and check the sum
[00:37] <NRDisciple> not working for the windows version
[00:37] <NRDisciple> oh nvm
[00:37] <bah_> sometimes I really miss OSX,  Why can't all applications use the same short-keys ? Do you use different sort-keys  for same tasks ?
[00:38] <holstein> bah_: i use what i like..
[00:39] <bah_> holstein, but for example to go to next/previews tab you can not use the same keys in firefox and the terminal
[00:40] <holstein> bah_: basically, you can do whatever you have the time, and patience, and skill to figure out how to implement
[00:40] <holstein> bah_: i usually suggest starting with something that is more closely relative to what your needs are.. but, you can literally customize any/all parts of a linux operating system.. nothing is hiding from you
[00:41] <holstein> ubuntu its self is not really meant to be, or expecting to be tinkered with that much, though.. you may want to think about what your habits are, and where they come from, and how long it has taken to cultivate them in another OS.. consider giving some time to the default system
[00:42] <NRDisciple> ok the md5 matches
[00:43] <NRDisciple> i downloaded the mini.iso for 14.04
[00:43] <holstein> NRDisciple: if its the size, i would consider a lubuntu live CD.. you can always install xubuntu-desktop afterwards, and you may get more helpful output, and more of a minimal system to start with
[00:43] <bah_> how ?  I want to be able to set the shortcut control+tab to toggle tabs but It seems that shortcut are not supported
[00:44] <holstein> bah_: i just search for how to implement what i like
[00:44] <bah_> holstein, well , I have done that without any results
[00:45] <NRDisciple> alright gonna try lubuntu
[00:45] <NRDisciple> thanks guys
[00:45] <holstein> bah_: sure.. so, consider either asking here, or a mailing list.. or, trying other alternatives that may supply what you like, or facilitate more easily editing what you want
[00:45] <bah_> and to not use the same short-keys in diffrent applications have nothing to do with habits. It is just stupid
[00:46] <holstein> bah_: "stupid" is a matter of opinion.. if you feel you have a bug, you are welcome and encouraged to report
[00:46] <holstein> !bug
[00:46] <bah_> the question is how to use the control+tab for a short-key (as in firefox)
[00:47] <holstein> bah_: i just use the GUI to set what i need.. have you tried? are you not able to find the settings menu? or is the setting not working? you want to press control and tab and have firefox launch?
[00:49] <bah_> holstein, to set short-keys for the terminal app you have to enable  editable accelerators in the Appearance menu. The problem is that the shortcut are not accepted
[00:51] <holstein> bah_: you'll have to elaborate.. i have not had those issues, and must either be using something different, or not trying the same
[00:51] <holstein> i have not had to "enable editable accelerators".. i just use the GUI.. what GUI are you using?
[00:52] <bah_> I use Xfce 4.10 and are setting the shortcuts by hovering over the menu item and select
[00:53] <bah_> (but first editable accelerators need to be activated)
[00:53] <holstein> bah_: i do as well, and i just use the GUI.. have you tried?
[00:54] <holstein> bah_: i dont activate editable accelerators.. i just set keyboard shortcuts.. is that what you are asking about?
[00:55] <bah_> if I hover over for example "tabs/Next tab" and hit control+tab nothing happens (other short-keys work fine)
[00:56] <holstein> bah_: try using the GUI settings.. in the menu. for adding keyboard shortcuts
[00:57] <bah_> holstein, can you do that for the xubuntu terminal app ?
[00:57] <woof-woof> ?
[00:57] <woof-woof> do what?
[00:57] <holstein> bah_: http://docs.xfce.org/faq may help you where you are
[01:00] <bah_> holstein, yes I been reading that and everything seems to work except to use the "tab key"
[01:00] <holstein> bah_: what do you mean?
[01:01] <holstein> bah_: you mean, you cant set the tab key to do something? but, you can set another combination?
[01:02] <bah_> if I hover over a menu and select for example the short-key control+a it works fine but not if I  want to use control+tab
[01:02] <bah_> can you do that ?
[01:03] <bah_> yes (did not see your question)
[01:05] <bah_> holstein, yes    on your question (sorry)
[01:05] <holstein> bah_: i have not tried.. but, i have not had that exact error.. i can try it later from my production machine running xfce
[01:06] <bah_> holstein,  thanks for your effort to help
[01:08] <bah_> giving up for tonight,  have to go to sleep
[01:08] <bah_> *bed
[01:13] <Snuggyfoo> Anyone home?
[01:13] <holstein> Snuggyfoo: just ask, if you have a support question. otherwise, enjoy the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat :)
[01:14] <Snuggyfoo> Docky keeps crashing when I close my laptop lid. I found a few things via ddg search but nothing has worked. Anyone familiar with this issue?
[01:15] <Snuggyfoo> Docky has worked flawlessly on this laptop prior to a format
[01:15] <holstein> well, the format didnt do anything.. so, lets start here. are you up to date with upgrades?
[01:15] <Snuggyfoo> yes
[01:16] <Snuggyfoo> I ran docky from prompt to get the output
[01:16] <holstein> what output?
[01:16] <Snuggyfoo> [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.Exception: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.UPower" doesn't exist
[01:16] <Snuggyfoo> Theres more... a lot more
[01:16] <holstein> !paste
[01:17] <Snuggyfoo> ty one sec
[01:17] <Snuggyfoo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7525746/
[01:23] <Snuggyfoo> running docky --debug gave me this
[01:23] <Snuggyfoo> [Error 19:22:31.411] [SystemService] Could not initialize power manager dbus: 'org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.UPower" doesn't exist
[01:23] <Snuggyfoo> [Error 19:22:31.568] [DBusManager] Bus Name 'org.gnome.Docky' is already owned
[01:23] <holstein> Snuggyfoo: you said it was when you suspended.. correct?
[01:23] <Snuggyfoo> I have power management set to do nothing when I close the lid
[01:24] <Snuggyfoo> when I close the lid it doesn't suspend, but when I reopen docky is gone
[01:28] <Snuggyfoo> interesting...
[01:28] <Snuggyfoo> holstein also occurs when I unplug and replug the power. which i did see somewhere
[01:28] <Snuggyfoo> someone with the same problem i mean...
[01:30] <Snuggyfoo> im going to try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/docky/+bug/1309706
[01:32] <Snuggyfoo> thanks for the help holstein
[01:33] <Snuggyfoo> I'm actually going to add the PPA direct from docky and reinstall
[01:33] <Snuggyfoo> What should I do if I discover that it works fine that way?
[01:33] <holstein> it can help..
[01:33] <holstein> !ppa
[01:34] <holstein> Snuggyfoo: you can file a bug about docky, but, if its fixed already, it may be on the way in
[01:34] <holstein> !bug
[01:34] <Snuggyfoo> thank you
[01:43] <Snuggyfoo> holstein, installing from docky's repo fixed the problem
[04:16] <sheer> hey is there any way to get window animations going on in XFCE? I looked online and it was suggesting to install compiz and stuff
[04:16] <sheer> just for when minimising and whatnot
[04:16] <Unit193> You can try out compton, it can do the basics.
[04:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> I love compton
[04:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not too flashy on effect, but does phenomenal where it matters.
[04:26] <sheer> thank you Unit193 Poisoned_Dragon I will look up compton :)
[04:26] <sheer> not after super flashy shit, just basic visual feedback
[04:43] <Snuggyfoo> sheer I'm using compton too and love it. A note though, make sure you disable the built in compositing before starting compton
[06:11] <Noskcaj_> What folder is the default wallpaper in?
[06:12] <baizon> Noskcaj_: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5317
[06:12] <baizon> first google result :P
[06:12] <Noskcaj_> ty
[06:12] <Noskcaj_> i'm too stupid/lazy
[10:02] <Dy|an> Anyone wanna help a brotha out?
[10:03] <Dy|an> Just fuxxed my xserver, reinstalled and now everything is working again. Problem is, i lost all the stuff I had on my previous profile
[10:03] <Dy|an> It's still in .cache (I think) but I don't know how to get it set back up, thunderbird is dling all my mail again, wallpaper is gone, etc etc
[10:03] <Dy|an> Any suggestions?
[10:04] <tierpod> ~/.thunderbird - for thunderbird mail database
[10:05] <tierpod> ~/.config/xfce - for xfce settings
[10:05] <Dy|an> You know how I'd import them to my current config though?
[10:06] <Dy|an> Sorry if i'm not making much sense, just was bashing my head for 2 hrs fixing this V_V
[10:06] <knome> Dy|an, did you reinstall xubuntu completely?
[10:06] <tierpod> just copy this directory from previous home directory
[10:06] <Dy|an> knome, nope.
[10:06] <Dy|an> Had an issue with Xorg
[10:06] <knome> Dy|an, then what did you do? created a new user?
[10:06] <Dy|an> Nope
[10:07] <Dy|an> ctrl+alt+f1ed it
[10:07] <Dy|an> there was a permissions issue or something, I got stuck in a boot loop
[10:07] <Dy|an> X wouldn't start
[10:07] <Dy|an> It would for guest and as root, but not for my profile
[10:07] <knome> and then what did you do?
[10:08] <Dy|an> Changed perms for
[10:08] <Dy|an> Xauthority
[10:08] <Dy|an> and  also ICEauthority
[10:08] <Dy|an> rebooted, seems to work now, it's just like a new install though, all my customization is gone
[10:09] <Dy|an> filesystem is same though
[10:09] <knome> what are the permissions for ~/.config?
[10:09] <Dy|an> drwx owner me
[10:11] <knome> in that case it should work...
[10:11] <knome> do you have the root account enabled?
[10:11] <Dy|an> ?
[10:12] <knome> probably not then. you shouldn't.
[10:12] <Dy|an> Not on the GUI? I usually just su
[10:12] <gry> Unit193: I have filed bug https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10914 then. (Ristretto should show image description from metadata when viewing images)
[10:12] <knome> Dy|an, that's fine.
[10:13] <Dy|an> The weird thing is that my old "profile" (if that's what you call it) is completely gone
[10:13] <Dy|an> wallpaper changed, icons gone, mail resyncing, etc
[10:13] <Dy|an> so weird
[10:14] <knome> what are the permissions for .X/ICEauthority?
[10:14] <Dy|an> rw
[10:14] <Dy|an> owner me
[10:14] <knome> then i don't know
[10:18] <tierpod> maybe you removed some files in home dir?
[10:20] <Dy|an> I removed x files
[10:20] <gry> Would it not write logs, if it tries to read/write to ~/.config but fails? Which logs would it write?
[10:21] <Dy|an> It's like all my customization has been reset
[10:21] <Dy|an> for every prog
[10:21] <Dy|an> but the .cache is still there
[10:21] <Dy|an> literally the filesystem is untouched besides xorg shit
[10:22] <Dy|an> keyboard shortcuts reset, inbox reset, bitcoin reset
[10:23] <tierpod> looks like you had removed .config and .local directory... or permissions errors... or filesystem errors
[10:24] <Dy|an> looking at them right now
[10:24] <Dy|an> they're fine
[10:27] <Dy|an> brb
[10:30] <Dy|an> Is there a way for me to recover .profile?
[10:30] <Dy|an> I see it but idk if I can run something that will fix this
[10:37] <xubuntu578> hi
[10:44] <xubuntu578> I I have a broblem renaming files when saving files, I aket this question on askubuntu, but withot answer, after the last update, I cannot rename files when I want to save from application, for example: if I want to owervrite a file, but preserve the original, I have to make a copy of the origina, and I can not do this hen saving, I need to open thunar, and navigate to that file to do this, whitch is a waste of time.
[11:53] <notwist> xubuntu578: the problem is your workflow, not the application. why can't you save with a new name?
[12:12] <elfy> xubuntu578: use nano -B and it'll save a backup too
[12:13] <elfy> or install gedit - that has a setting to save a backup I believe
[14:33] <plankton> Hi, everytime when I close my notebook and Xubuntu suspends, when I return, after type password, the screen becomes black, and I must have to power off my computer. I notice that it continues works when black, but just without images. It starts after last Ubuntu update. :)
[14:34] <knome> after upgrade to 14.04?
[14:36] <plankton> yep
[14:36] <TheSheep> yay for light-locker :(
[14:37] <knome> plankton, would you *please* read the release notes?
[14:37] <plankton> not yet, should I?
[14:38] <knome> TheSheep, the bug's been fixed and waiting an upload. can we please try to be a bit more positive?
[14:38] <knome> plankton, that would explain your issue...
[14:38] <TheSheep> knome: sorry
[14:38] <plankton> knome, thanks, I'll read. :)
[14:38] <knome> plankton, we write the release notes to try to warn people about potential problems, but if people do not read them...
[14:39] <plankton> I'm system analyst and I write those release notes... I know that kind of problems about people that dont read it! :)
[15:04] <xangua> knome: whe bug is alreadu fixed¿ what is the bug number¿
[15:08] <knome> xangua, please read the release notes.
[15:45] <jost> Hi! Recently (for the last 4-5 months), I have experienced some problems with my keyboard state in XUbuntu: When I hold the Ctrl key and do something while it is hold down, the the OS seems to "forget" that the key is pressed. One example would be if I press Shift and Ctrl at the same time and then mark text using the arrow keys. I have already replaced my keyboard. This happened both in XUbuntu 13.10 and in 14.04. Does someone know how to fix
[15:45] <jost> this?
[17:03] <xubuntu274> c'è qualcuno italiano
[17:03] <xubuntu274> che mi da una mano per terminare l'installazione?
[17:04] <TheSheep> !pt | xubuntu274
[17:04] <TheSheep> hmm
[17:04] <TheSheep> !es | xubuntu274
[17:05] <TheSheep> oh, I'm stupid
[17:05] <xubuntu274> i'm installing xubuntu in italian
[17:05] <TheSheep> sorry, sorry
[17:05] <TheSheep> !it | xubuntu274
[17:09] <ToeTag> For the Xubu 14.04LTS 'known issues', there is a "Due to the switch from xscreensaver to light-locker, some users might have issues with timing of locking; removing xscreensaver from the system should fix these problems" but no referenced bugtracker?
[17:10] <ToeTag> I can't find any more details on this... Would like to upgrade my work machine from 13.10, but it's important that I be able to lock my screen when not at desk
[17:10] <ToeTag> Anyone have experience with that 'bug' ?
[17:16] <amigamagic> ToeTag, you can try that from the live distro
[17:17] <ToeTag> amigamagic, Thanks, will do
[19:01] <ARM9> hello, any guide to dual booting xubuntu with windows 8.1 (uefi, recent laptop, secure boot and such nastyness)
[19:10] <Unit193> !uefi
[19:11] <Unit193> ARM9: Basically get the 64bit CD.  I've done it once, it seemed to work out.
[19:11] <ARM9> already created my liveusb
[19:11] <ARM9> with unetbootin
[19:12] <ARM9> but it crashed when I tried booting to it from that ridiculous contraption they call advanced settings in win 8
[19:20] <mmazing> for some reason, my "virtual" screen size is 3600x1200 when using dual monitors, but my screens are 1920x1200, so it should be 3840x1200, and this is causing part of one monitor to "overlap" part of the 2nd
[19:20] <mmazing> i know there is an easy way to fix this using xrandr, but it is eluding me
[19:24] <mmazing> nvm, got it :)
[19:24] <mmazing> xrandr --fb 3840x1200
[19:24] <mmazing> xrandr --output HDMI2 --left-of HDMI3
[19:46] <rigo_> hi anyone else experiencing problems while or after installing xubuntu 14 with usb stick on a laptop without optical drive?
[19:47] <rigo_> i mean install runs errorfree but after rebooting it does not wants to boot up. /dev/sda1 contains only an EFI directory the sda2 is the / and the sda3 is the swap.
[19:49] <rigo_> any idea please
[19:51] <rigo_> on sda2 the /var/log/installer/syslog i see the funny line
[19:51] <rigo_> May 27 18:59:03 xubuntu grub-installer: Installation finished. No error reported.
[19:53] <rigo_> parted -l /dev/sda
[19:53] <rigo_>  1      1049kB  538MB  537MB   fat32                 boot
[19:54] <rigo_> in fact i know where i ruined everything `cause i already had xubuntu installed. you know i tought i try out w8.1 :D after this i can not reinstall xubuntu well
[19:55] <Barnabas> rigo, have you tried to select that boot device directly from either a boot manager or perhaps the bios?
[19:56] <rigo_> first boot device is the hdd by default in bios. i changed nothing in bios.
[19:57] <rigo_> im not sure about it but shouldnt the /dev/sda1 contain something else then the EFI directory?
[19:58] <rigo_> which contains only a directory ubuntu and its contents are grub.cfg  grubx64.efi  MokManager.efi  shimx64.efi
[19:59] <rigo_> in the matter of fact i dont have efi bios. so i GUESS this can be a problem..
[21:12] <lawr> OMG its delt !!!!!
[21:12] <lawr> DELT!
[21:12] <lawr> FINALLY
[21:16] <kuba111> Hi
[21:16] <kuba111> I have a problem with installing .run file. Can somebody help me solve that?
[21:19] <knome> kuba111, why not ask the real question and find out if anybody can help with htat
[21:21] <kuba111> Ok, so I tried to install eagle on my xubuntu from .run file but i get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:21] <kuba111> I tried to download this package, but I can find only 0.9.x versions
[21:21] <kuba111> I need 1..1 or newer
[21:22] <kuba111> I have core i5 and x64 system
[21:22] <knome> where did you get the .run file then?
[21:22] <kuba111> from the developer website
[21:23] <kuba111> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/
[21:24] <knome> it clearly states you need a 32-bit runtime environment
[21:24] <kuba111> hmm? How you know that?
[21:24] <knome> i actually read the download page.
[21:24] <kuba111> Ok, i found it
[21:25] <kuba111> So it will not run on my computer?
[21:25] <kuba111> Or I can emulate it on some easy way?
[21:25] <knome> it might work with the 32-bit library support ubuntu offers, or not
[21:26] <kuba111> So how can i check it?
[21:26] <knome> did you install the required dependencies?
[21:27] <kuba111> ystem requirements: Linux based on kernel 2.6 for Intel computers, X11 with a minimum color depth of 8 bpp, 32-bit runtime environment with the libraries libssl.so.1.0.0 and libcrypto.so.1.0.0.
[21:43] <xubuntu950> Is bottom panel (launcher) removed on 14.04 or is it something wrong ?
[21:49] <knome> xubuntu950, it's removed from clean installs
[21:49] <xubuntu950> knome. ok thank you.
[22:28] <oneof3> hello i updated for LTS but the lock screen didnt change. Its still the little black box. is that right?
[22:32] <ochosi> oneof3: if you upgrade, then yes
[22:39] <oneof3> by upgrade you mean the usual update?
[22:40] <ochosi> upgrade means going from one version/release to another, e.g. 13.10 to 14.04
[22:40] <ochosi> update is just a package update within a version/release, e.g. firefox 35 to firefox 36 in xubuntu 14.04
[22:40] <oneof3> so installing it again, not just simply updating LTS versions?
[22:41] <oneof3> i know it i hav new generic boot option and recovery etc..
[22:41] <oneof3> 3.2.0 63
[22:43] <oneof3> so 3.2.0 63 wasnt an upgrade as i think of it?
[22:46] <oneof3> ochosi, ?
[22:49] <ochosi> oneof3: so how did you update exactly?
[22:49] <ochosi> (also, 14.04 has a newer kernel, which is 3.13)
[22:49] <oneof3> update manager as usual
[22:50] <knome> oneof3, what does 'lsb_release -a' in terminal say?
[22:50] <ochosi> but not just package updates, there was a separate dialog guiding you through the update process?
[22:50] <ochosi> heh, yeah, that's better :)
[22:51] <oneof3> 12/04.4 lts
[22:51] <oneof3> 12.04.4
[22:51] <knome> oneof3, then you didn't upgrade yet, nor should have the upgrade be proposed to you yet
[22:53] <oneof3> okay so what was the 320 36?
[22:53] <oneof3> 63*
[22:53] <oneof3> changed my boot order
[22:54] <knome> sounds just like a regular kernel update.
[22:54] <oneof3> ty :)
[23:32] <ubuntuaddicted> right clicking on my desktop does nothign anymore and I can't set the wallpaper and I am missing all my desktop icons
[23:33] <ochosi> restart xfdesktop then
[23:33] <ochosi> e.g. from the terminal
[23:33] <ochosi> or hit alt+f2
[23:35] <ubuntuaddicted> just type in restart xfdesktop?
[23:37] <ubuntuaddicted> wow, that was it. will i have to do that everytime i start my computer?
[23:38] <ochosi> i hope not :)
[23:39] <ubuntuaddicted> ochosi, can you think of any reason why that wouldn't auto launch?
[23:39] <ochosi> if it happens again, go to settings > sessions and startup > session and check whether xfdesktop is there
[23:46] <ubuntuaddicted> ochosi, ok, i'm going to try a restart
[23:48] <ubuntuaddicted> ochosi, all fixed. it started up this time, i went to startup and session and made sure i saved the session. why did that happen do you know?
[23:48] <ubuntuaddicted> ochosi, been using xubuntu since 12.04 and i've never experienced that ever
[23:48] <ochosi> well it can happen
[23:49] <ochosi> xfdesktop is an app like any other
[23:49] <ochosi> so it *can* crash
[23:49] <ochosi> it shouldn't though
[23:49] <ubuntuaddicted> ok, thanks for your quick help
[23:49] <ochosi> yw
[23:53] <ubuntuaddicted> that's why i love using Ubuntu, the community is generally very helpful
[23:53] <ochosi> doing our best i guess
[23:54] <ubuntuaddicted> use to use regular ubuntu until they switched to unity
[23:54] <ubuntuaddicted> i've been using ubuntu since breezy badger and it seems like no matter how much i know there's still something i learn every day