[05:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:54] <mapps> hey MooDoo
[07:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:22] <mapps> morning
[07:23] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[07:24] <MooDoo> howdy mapps brobostigon
[07:25] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:53] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/eq2agHNrWye :-|
[07:59] <awilkins> Bread machine! Compile your own bread from source!
[07:59] <awilkins> Sadly, this takes 2-3 hours
[08:00] <awilkins> The guy who invents the bread machine with integral time machine that takes it back in time just in time to have the loaf ready would make a mint
[08:02] <Myrtti> the main problem is the lack of hot water
[08:02] <Myrtti> can't start baking bread and not be able to wash my hands properly
[08:03] <DJones> awilkins: Quick setting on bread machine gives passable bread in an hour for me
[08:04] <Myrtti> I'm wondering what kitchen gadgets I could forgo for getting a bread machine
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <bashrc> morning
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bread makers rock. Really.
[08:14] <awilkins> I use mine as a "dough maker"
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not only do they produce lovely bread whilst I am asleep, they also make great Pizza dough in 45 minutes (that also works really well for dough-balls and making other roll-type products) & Naan bread dough that's proved in ~2hrs
[08:16] <DJones> Myrtti: If you're going to drop a kichen gadget in favour of a bread maker, I'd forget about a food processor, anyone I know with one gets one with all the attachments and maybe uses it once a year
[08:16] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: the word on the street is, though, that they don't make passable proper Finnish rye
[08:17] <Myrtti> DJones: I broke ours a year ago when I was trying to blitz dry onion skins I had soaked for a few days with it :-|
[08:18] <DJones> Myrtti: Out of interest, what would you have used the blitzed onion skins for?
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Senior Health & Fitness Day! :-D
[08:19] <Myrtti> yarn dyeing, of course. https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/sets/72157632822139010/
[08:19] <DJones> Myrtti: Ah, didn't think of that, I was trying to think of a food recipe
[08:21] <DJones> What lovely road maintenance and traffic management planning by the highways agency, causing 3 hour minimum delays
[08:22] <awilkins> Hooray!
[08:22] <awilkins> Hope they are at least fixing some potholes
[08:23] <DJones> I think major resurfacing on a section of road that didn't have pothole
[08:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[08:31] <DJones> Heh, poor kitty https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=568191693297174&set=vb.196251357157878&type=2&theater
[08:42] <foobarry> Myrtti: my wife was dying wool the other day. stankt he house out
[08:53] <davmor2> Awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wByOv2sUZ-c
[09:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: hey dude you having a better day today?
[09:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: how sweet
[09:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: why would you not smile at a ticklish penguin
[09:13] <popey> DJones: I use my food mixer a fair amount ☻
[09:13] <DJones> hmmh, popey is Mary Berry....
[09:14] <popey> made a recipe that was on the front page of reddit last night
[09:15] <popey> http://theculinaryrecipes.com/double-crunch-honey-garlic-chicken-breasts/
[09:15] <popey> was yummy
[09:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes thanks :D
[09:16] <MooDoo> this evening I shall be making pork and bulghar stuffed peppers
[09:19] <DJones> Looks nice, but honey is too sweet for me, I'd end up being ill with that
[09:21]  * MooDoo can't stand honey
[09:21] <DJones> I also have a rule about not eating anything produced by rubbing legs together
[09:23] <popey> wierdos
[09:24] <MooDoo> lol
[09:24] <popey> garlic and honey are made for eachother
[09:25] <bigcalm> DJones: rubbing legs together?
[09:25] <DJones> bigcalm: Honey & bee's
[09:25] <bigcalm> Heh, fair enough
[09:26] <Myrtti> we watched the whole series of The Wonder of Bees with Martha Kearney few weeks ago. It was amazing
[09:27] <Myrtti> even started wondering should we get a hive if we get a bigger house with a bigger garden
[09:27] <DJones> If I had a bigger garden, I'd get chickens
[09:28] <Myrtti> that too
[09:28] <Myrtti> chicken and bees
[09:28] <awilkins> It's not the rubbing legs together that's the gross bit about honeyu
[09:28] <awilkins> It's the multi-bee bulimia party involved in processing it
[09:30] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:41] <Myrtti> I'm personally dreaming of this hand mixer http://www.braunhousehold.com/global/all-products/food-preparation/hand-mixers/multiquick-system-hand-mixer-m1070-6-in-1-0x81260901
[09:42] <Myrtti> bees knees, as they say
[09:45] <awilkins> And not the bees "blees" : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/bee-blee.jpg
[09:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> We bought one of these recently - is very good IMHO: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-James-Powerful-Processor-Attachment/dp/B0051U27RI
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Indeed. Eating the morning porridge is always a bit weird when one remembers they are eating bee barf drizzles on heated bovine lacations thickend with oat starch.
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quite heavy but that's fine by me.
[09:47] <awilkins> Mother has Grandmothers original Kenwood Chef
[09:47] <awilkins> Factory Reconditioned
[09:48] <bigcalm> Audio in left headphone started to deteriorate. Thought that my hearing was going. Turns out to be track I was listening to. Hearing still feels funny though
[09:48] <awilkins> Built like a Soviet Tank
[09:48] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, I bought the older model of the Braun multimix years ago when I didn't have a Kenwood Chef. Now I've got my mum's old one and I suppose I wouldn't necessarily need a hand mixer with the dough hooks anymore...
[09:48] <Myrtti> but yeah, need to get it looked at, one of the attachment ports is gone
[09:49] <Myrtti> otherwise works like a charm
[10:15] <ali1234> we've got bees in the roof
[10:15] <ali1234> should probably do something about that
[10:43] <Gargoyle> Can anyone offer any advice/mentoring on getting involved in helping to maintain a ppa ?
[10:45] <MooDoo> Gargoyle: do you have one now?
[10:45] <jussi> Gargoyle: If you have an intrerest, the kubuntu team runs several PPA's that always neeed more contributors, feel free to drop into #kubuntu-devel
[10:45] <MooDoo> have you seen this? - http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/other-forms-of-submitting-apps/ppa/
[10:45] <Gargoyle> I was thinking one of the ubuntu ones. Specifically hadoop
[11:00] <MooDoo> Gargoyle: https://launchpad.net/~hadoop-ubuntu/+archive/dev
[11:01] <MooDoo> Gargoyle: you can contact them here if it's what you're after lol - https://launchpad.net/~hadoop-ubuntu
[11:03] <Gargoyle> MooDoo: Yeah, I've fired off an email to the list. Hopefully with some guidance I can help get that PPA updated to a newer version of hadoop
[11:06] <MooDoo> Gargoyle: brill :D
[11:23] <mapps> hey all
[11:31] <MooDoo> howdy mapps
[11:33]  * MartijnVdS waves as well
[11:37] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[11:38] <MooDoo> wtf - http://action.sumofus.org/a/Facebook-app-taps-phones/?sub=fb sigh
[11:39] <bigcalm> Another reason why I don't use the app :)
[11:41] <mapps> i dont have a facebook ac
[11:41] <mapps> LD
[11:41] <mapps> :D
[11:41] <mapps> too time consuming
[11:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha ha... Look who appears on the first page of this Google search for Sriracha Sauce: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Sri+Racha+sauce&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk
[11:50] <shauno> the oatmeal?
[11:50] <bigcalm> That may be because it's linking results from our G+ accounts
[11:50] <bigcalm> shauno: popey
[11:50] <Myrtti> The Oatmeal
[11:50] <shauno> that's why I was curious.  I don't see anyone from here in the results
[11:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've run out :-(
[11:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh you don't see popey at the bottom?
[11:51] <bigcalm> McDonalds should have Sriracha sauce as an option. I ...
[11:51] <bigcalm> https://plus.google.com/109365858706205035322/.../Sbq2NntJ...
[11:51] <bigcalm> Alan Pope
[11:51] <bigcalm> 23 Sep 2012 - McDonalds should have Sriracha sauce as an option. I might take some with me next time I go. Sriracha makes everything better
[11:51] <Myrtti> no, if you search in porn mode
[11:51] <bigcalm> !pastebin | bigcalm
[11:51] <bigcalm> !pastebin > bigcalm
[11:52] <bigcalm> Oh, > isn't a thing
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNL8j0jkHeg !
[11:52] <shauno> hm, interesting
[11:52] <shauno> I made bacon-choc-chip once.  that went well
[12:01] <bigcalm> perr14 - perth?
[12:10] <DJones> Heh, email received asking me to "Download file at google disk drive service - dropbox" with a link to a dropbox stored file....Yeah, how daft do they think I am
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> ...
[12:10] <bigcalm> I'd download it just to then pick through the payload
[12:11] <DJones> That would mean me wasting time messing about with it
[12:22] <bigcalm> Wow. OSN just told me that my mouse's battery is low at 25% remaining
[12:22] <bigcalm> That's cool!
[12:23] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: Cool. Which mouse? And what doo-mahicky you using to get the reading?
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> OSN?
[12:24] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS: On Screen Notification
[12:25] <DJones> TwistedLucidity: Its default in Ubuntu, works for me with MS & cheap own brand mice
[12:25] <TwistedLucidity> Hmmm...using a Logitech unit, never seen any setting to get a report on battery health
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> ah.. I thought it was a typo :)
[12:27] <DJones> Trying to think back to when I first saw the battery notification, think it was 13.04 or 13.10
[12:28] <TwistedLucidity> I'm on 14.04 but using KDE; it may not have it
[12:28] <bigcalm> TwistedLucidity: I didn't set it up to do this, it just worked out of the box. Mouse is Logitech M570
[12:28] <DJones> Looks like 13.10
[12:28] <bigcalm> TwistedLucidity: I'm using Unity in 14.04
[12:29] <DJones> bigcalm: Have you noticed this before on the power management page http://i.stack.imgur.com/q28iW.png
[12:29] <bigcalm> DJones: rarely look at that screen. But the 'Wireless mouse' section appears in it for me :)
[12:30] <DJones> bigcalm: I think it only came in from 13.10
[12:30] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[12:30] <bigcalm> It's a cool thing though
[12:30] <bigcalm> I just tried to close the 'Power' window within your screenshot
[12:30]  * bigcalm sighs
[12:30] <TwistedLucidity> Ooo....found the lock key activation/deactiviation notifications though. That'll be handy on the ThinkPad which has no LEDs.
[12:31] <bigcalm> TwistedLucidity: where is that setting, keyboard?
[12:31] <TwistedLucidity> Well, I'm using KDE
[12:32] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:32]  * bigcalm goes back to sleep
[12:36] <TwistedLucidity> I'm using UPower 0.9.23, so I should be able to see the Logitech guff....
[13:00] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you might want to look at Solaar much nicer for Logitech wireless stuff
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Thanks
[13:05] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-desktop/solaar.png clicking on each gives you a nice overview and you get an indicator that displays the lowest battery level
[13:06] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Seems to have dependencies on WINE and Mono. Will check it out.
[13:08] <dogmatic69> anyone know why I cant paste more than 20 char over ssh?
[13:09] <dogmatic69> hangs the session
[13:10] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: are you looking from source or ppa the ubuntu build has the following http://paste.ubuntu.com/7536516/
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: 'buntu PPA.
[13:11] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: https://launchpad.net/~daniel.pavel/+archive/solaar
[13:11] <TwistedLucidity> That's the one
[13:12] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: thats the one I have installed and those are the deps it might be that the original version did while he figured out stuff
[13:13] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure, just checked what it needed and a whole slew of WINE 1.6 etc came up.
[13:14]  * czajkowski pokes davmor2 
[13:16]  * davmor2 grabs his big proddy stick and wallops czajkowski with it, long time no see how's life czajkowski 
[13:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: ouchies!!!!
[13:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: Oh come on matchsticks taped together don't hurt that much :)
[13:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's life?
[13:18] <czajkowski> busy and good
[13:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski fight......
[14:02] <MooDoo> wow where has today gone, it's almost time to go home.
[14:12] <bigcalm> MooDoo: you have short days :(
[14:13] <MooDoo> bigcalm: 7 - 3:30
[14:13] <bigcalm> MooDoo: you have poop hours :(
[14:13] <MooDoo> bigcalm: my choice
[14:13] <bigcalm> :)
[14:14] <MooDoo> bigcalm: with two young kids, it's always been easy for me to get up at early [5:30]
[14:15] <bigcalm> Working from home, I struggle to get out of bed before 8.55am
[14:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: wish I could work from home, would be easier lol
[14:15] <bigcalm> Children would be the death of me
[14:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: your kids would be, but that would be because they would be psycho axe wielding maniacs ;)
[14:17] <bigcalm> I'd better continue to not have children then :D
[14:17] <MooDoo> lol
[14:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[14:18] <SuperMatt> god damn, all I want to do is install an arch container in LXC, but it seems near impossible
[14:18] <SuperMatt> because you already need pacman installed
[14:18] <SuperMatt> oh well
[14:37] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I thought there was an arch build available maybe I'm wrong
[14:39] <davmor2> SuperMatt: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Linux_Containers this might help
[14:46] <SuperMatt> davmor2: there is a build, but it uses pacman and pacstrap to do a lot of the work
[16:35] <Gargoyle> I'm trying to get hadoop up and running on 12.04, and there's a page on the hadoop site which says "Check that there isn't an entry for your hostname mapped to 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts (Ubuntu is notorious for this)"
[16:35] <Gargoyle> How should the hostname be correctly configured? Just to the machines real IP ?
[16:41] <bigcalm> Gargoyle: if 127.0.x.y is in /etc/hosts and not pointing at localhost, then it can be safely removed
[17:06] <Gargoyle> bigcalm: So the 127.0.1.1 can just be removed, and the 127.0.0.1 should only point to localhost and not my.domain.name
[17:07] <daftykins> sounds fine
[17:07] <daftykins> keep a backup of hosts as-is
[17:08] <bigcalm> !backup
[17:08] <bigcalm> Okay, maybe not that level of backup :)
[17:09] <bigcalm> sudo cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.dist
[17:16] <Gargoyle> I think it's actually vagrant adding the extra hostnames to the 127* records
[17:20] <bigcalm> That seems likely
[17:20] <bigcalm> I have this in one of my vagrant machines' /etc/hosts files
[17:21] <bigcalm> 127.0.1.1 ep-web-dev ep-web-dev
[17:24] <daftykins> 127.0.1.1 tends to be dnsmasq too
[17:24] <daftykins> likely present in your resolv.conf
[17:25] <popey> purged resolvconf
[17:25] <popey> silly software
[17:32] <daftykins> manual is definitely far nicer
[18:50] <Azelphur> Anyone have any suggestions on what I should get wifi wise for a small cafe?
[18:54] <ali1234> a cup of tea?
[18:55] <ali1234> bacon sandwich?
[18:55] <ali1234> you're going to want something you can lock down. i heard draytek are good for that
[18:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: doesn't really need locking down, atm they are just using a very typical plusnet home ADSL setup
[18:56] <Azelphur> and they just have wifi codes on the wall, they aren't too concerned with people standing outside and using it
[18:58] <DJones> Azelphur: "typical home ADSL setup" ? Maybe they need to think about a business setup rather than a home setup
[18:59] <Azelphur> DJones: well mostly they just need a not shit router, it actually works somewhat ok now, they just need a bit better range and something that won't fall over with too many clients connected to it
[18:59] <Azelphur> it's not an internet cafe, just a cafe that has wifi
[19:01] <DJones> Yes, but its still a business thats giving wifi out, that could cause problems trying to use a home network provider, just in terms  of using a home network for a business
[19:01] <Azelphur> DJones: yea, I've already told them they need to get off that ADSL connection, hoping they can get fibre but it's a bit up in the air since the cafe is in a strange location
[19:02] <DJones> I'm just thinking in terms of protecting the owner if something dodgy happens or the service got abuses
[19:03] <Azelphur> DJones: that's a good point, I suppose I should make sure they are on plusnet business not home
[19:05] <DJones> At the end of the day, the owner is responsible, but at least being able to show its a business account rather than a personal account will probably offer a bit more protection
[19:06] <ali1234> oh, i got a helpouts invite
[19:07] <ali1234> i don't even remember asking for one
[19:07] <DJones> Wasn;t that something MooDoo was involved in, ubuntu helpouts ?
[19:07] <DJones> Maybe from  that
[19:07] <ali1234> yeah... that was ages ago
[19:08] <DJones> Can't be that long, my memory of it hasn't faded :)
[19:09] <daftykins> meatspace or online?
[19:12] <Azelphur> but yea, we seem to have drifted over the original question, router suggestions?
[19:12] <Azelphur> I was thinking RT-N16 with OpenWRT
[20:29] <daftykins> Azelphur: got a link for that one?
[20:29] <Azelphur> daftykins: the RT-N16?
[20:29] <daftykins> yes sir
[20:30] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's an asus router, you can buy it pretty much anywhere, it's not hard to find xD
[20:30] <daftykins> yeah i just thought if you had it up already i'd look at the specs and comment
[20:31] <Azelphur> nah I don't have it
[20:31] <daftykins> we're on VDSL over here these days so i don't even know of consumer routers that are appropriate O_O
[20:31] <daftykins> our ISP provides ones, but they're _horrible_
[20:32] <daftykins> non-customisable DNS unless you telnet tweak
[20:32] <Azelphur> VDSL is FTTC right?
[20:32] <daftykins> probably
[20:32] <Azelphur> daftykins: should have a BT infinity router, plugs right into the wan port
[20:33] <daftykins> don't have BT here sir
[20:33] <Azelphur> ah, some weird VDSL then :P
[20:33] <daftykins> well i'm sure it's the same kinda tech, as i get 40/5
[20:33] <daftykins> it's just they don't provide the modems
[20:34] <daftykins> i've got one though :D firmware unlocked Huawei \o/
[20:34] <daftykins> was about £8 on ebay
[20:34] <Azelphur> :)
[20:39] <daftykins> pretty bog standard 'n' there then
[20:39] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:40] <daftykins> 3 antennae but no comment of true x:y streams etc
[21:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlj215wixvqeksx/2014-05-27%2004.34.46.jpg
[21:03] <daftykins> anyone seen this before?
[21:03] <daftykins> my mate has this with trusty on his/our asus laptop with optimus
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> there's your problem
[21:03] <daftykins> ;D
[21:03] <daftykins> i don't think he's even attempting to use the nvidia
[21:04] <daftykins> actually the external display is running on the VGA which comes off the nvidia i believe