[09:03] <Riddell> morning all
[09:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:17] <BluesKaj> I'm getting this error, upgrades on 14.10 are frozen, http://privatepaste.com/c5dbca012f
[09:56] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[09:57] <Riddell> morning aaron
[09:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ready to come back to Kubuntu?
[09:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: been back
[10:02] <ahoneybun> wow so many deviantart messages
[10:04] <Riddell> you're an artist?
[10:07] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I just did some messing around and messed around with porting coverart things
[10:07] <ahoneybun> anyone can have a deviantart accound
[10:07] <ahoneybun> *account
[10:08] <BluesKaj> Riddell, have you seem the error I posted above, don't see anything on launchpad
[10:08] <BluesKaj> seen
[10:09] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes, sorry I've no idea, beneath kubuntu's sphere, looks like something to do with a systemd transition, ScottK also said you might have -proposed enabled
[10:10] <BluesKaj> yeah I suspected it wasn't a kde problem, but I thought I'd ask anyway
[10:10] <BluesKaj> no proposed sources here
[10:13] <BluesKaj> inkscape.dev/trunk perhaps ?
[10:16] <BluesKaj> nope, getting the same error on my desktop which doesn't have the inkscape ppa
[10:19] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm think about Akademy
[10:19] <ahoneybun> *thinking
[10:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: come along!
[10:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: money and I don't know if I could bring anything good if I could get funding
[10:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ubuntu community fund is the way to go
[10:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[10:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I just don't know what I could bring to the table
[10:24] <Riddell> we'll find things!
[10:25] <Riddell> lots of docs to fix yet, or if you're bored of that become an elite packager like sgclark
[10:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the docs on the userbase I don't want to mess with too much as of translations
[10:37] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the help.ubuntu.com wiki would do with a going over to make sure it's relevant to kubuntu
[10:37] <Riddell> e.g. we link to this to guide people to burn isos https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:37] <Riddell> but it doesn't say how to do it from kde
[10:37] <ahoneybun> I see
[10:37] <Riddell> and this is really just a wall of text https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[10:37] <Riddell> needs a simple version
[10:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, not much action in #ubuntu-devel, surprising
[10:50] <Riddell> all of canonical is at a conference which the community isn't invited to
[11:33] <BluesKaj> ok, here's a list of the problem dependencies on 14.10, http://privatepaste.com/794db390e0, wonder if any devs are looking at this?
[12:09] <ScottK> BluesKaj: Look at Martin Pitt's post to ubuntu-devel this morning.  It may be relevant.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ScottK, thanks, but think I joined too late to see it. I don't normally use that chat
[12:11] <ScottK> BluesKaj: The mailing list.  It has an archive.
[12:13] <Riddell> BluesKaj: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-May/038333.html
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'm looking at it, but I'm not having any bootup problems, only upgrade problems
[12:43] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1324525] [Multiarch] unable to install libaspell15:i386 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1324525 (by Thomas-Karl Pietrowski)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Riddell, here's the log in /var/lib/insserv/run-20140529T0840.log, http://privatepaste.com/ac2b0e2233
[12:46] <Riddell> BluesKaj: it'll all be part of the same problem, ask pitti if he has ideas failing that a reinstall may be the easiest way
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Riddell, oh he is pitti then, ok will do
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've reopened bug 1322968, it is a real problem which is worth fixing
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu2.dsc < can you upload that plz :)
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and then do a backport upload?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> to trusty
[13:45] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1322968] Changing country leads to invalid locale @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322968 (by Dimitris Kardarakos)
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do I tell tarme to use l10n-kf5 or l10n-kde4 ?
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: milou uploaded!  where do you want the backport?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ubuntu-backports
[14:45] <shadeslayer> I reckon backportpackage should do the needful when the 0ubuntu2 package lands in the archive
[14:45] <Riddell> ah, bug 1323315
[14:46] <Riddell> debfx: you seem to be the man for backports, what needs done for that milou update?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> spot
[14:49] <shadeslayer> whoops :P
[14:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind giving me a hand with the merges?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> if you're free
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there much useful stuff in the merges that makes it worth the time?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, autopkgtests
[14:55] <shadeslayer> abi compliance checks
[14:56] <Riddell> ah yes did you e-mail about autopkgtests ?
[14:56] <Riddell> I still am not sure what they are
[14:56] <Riddell> and what are these abi compliance checks ?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: see man dh_acc
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: as for autopkgtests, see https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/All/job/utopic-adt-kde4libs/
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ( fixed in bzr btw ^^ )
[14:59] <sgclark> I am trying to upload a merge to my PPA and get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7544543/ help!
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sgclark: because there is no 4.13.1 yet
[14:59] <shadeslayer> in the archives
[14:59] <shadeslayer> so I usually locally switch the changelog to 4.13.0 to see if everything builds
[15:01] <sgclark> it builds locally, you mean change it and upload to my PPA as 4.13.0?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> well, if it builds locally, just push a bzr branch and ask for a merge/review
[15:02] <sgclark> ok
[15:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where's the list of merges kept?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-merges
[15:04]  * Riddell grabs baloo
[15:11] <debfx> Riddell: ideally a request through the requestbackport tool
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: psst, I hear debfx likes unicode checkmarks ;)
[15:15] <Riddell> ༒
[15:15] <shadeslayer> that's not a check
[15:15] <Riddell> it's a cheerful dance
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[15:16] <debfx> oh no, now everyone knows ;)
[15:17] <debfx> that looks like 3 arrows setting something on fire
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fwiw I'm merging from debian git repos
[15:28] <sgclark> kalzium merge in bazaar for review
[15:28] <shadeslayer> sgclark: why was the kalzium.install.armhf file dropped?
[15:29] <Riddell> baloo merge uploaded!
[15:30] <shadeslayer> sgclark: and please change the changelog entry to UNRELEASED if kalzium hasn't been uploaded
[15:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you really asking for reviews of every merge you do?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, just the really big ones
[15:32] <Riddell> we'll need some batch process for merges if there's a hope of getting through them all
[15:33] <Riddell> which is what I remember doing last year, downloading a dozen packages and doing several at a time
[15:34] <shadeslayer> or you know, just using git
[15:35] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I don't know why bzr deleted it, doing revert
[15:35] <shadeslayer> sgclark: cool
[15:37]  * shadeslayer ponders about ordering pizza
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  pitti helped solve my problem
[15:40] <sgclark> shadeslayer: should be fixed now
[16:09] <sgclark> Riddell: isn't that meeting now? or did I confuse times?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> uf, meting
[16:19] <shadeslayer> totally not in the mood :(
[16:20] <sgclark> sorry, if I have any hope to go to akadamy I need this, I have worked hard for it as well
[16:20] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ofcourse, I just have to suck it up and attend :P
[16:20] <sgclark> ty
[16:20] <shadeslayer> because I said yes to the doodle
[16:21] <shadeslayer> sgclark: #ubuntu-meeting ?
[16:22] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I have no idea, no one told me I had to be somewhere else :(
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK yofel jussi meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:22] <jussi> Im there!
[16:23] <jussi>  /me hugs sgclark
[16:23] <yofel> -meeting looks free, do we need to do it there? (I'm always there though)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> might as well, since that's what it's for
[16:24] <shadeslayer> where's apachelogger
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: meeting time
[16:24] <jussi> avoiding you :P
[16:24] <shadeslayer> why :(
[16:25] <jussi> do you really need to ask? :P :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:25]  * jussi hugs shadeslayer
[16:25] <shadeslayer> *hugs*
[16:26] <yofel> valorie: ping
[16:27] <jussi> sgclark: I havent seen a polo shirt order from you, immediate -1 from me :P :P :P :P :P  
[16:28] <sgclark> jussi: sorry, cash flow issues, will when I can
[16:28] <jussi> sgclark: no real actual need, just teasing :D
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> can I also join the meeting?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: do you have something to put on the agenda?
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> one question
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> for sgclark
[16:40] <shadeslayer> are you a kubuntu member?
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> no
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> just a contributor
[16:40] <shadeslayer> hm, unsure if you can ask questions then
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> ok then
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> I won't
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[16:48] <jussi> of course he can :)
[16:48] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:48] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: go ahead in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[16:49] <jussi> as long as they are on topic and not disruptive
[16:49] <shadeslayer> policy implies only kubuntu-members can ask questions, but yeah ^^ seems reasonable
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> I was thinking to ask, why she chose Kubuntu over other distros.
[16:51] <yofel> ROFL @ -meeting
[16:51] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: go ahed
[16:51] <shadeslayer> *ahead
[17:00] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:08]  * sgclark is a nervous wreck
[17:08] <shadeslayer> sgclark: heh, no need to me
[17:09] <shadeslayer> s/me/be/
[17:09] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "sgclark: heh, no need to be"
[17:09] <shadeslayer> we don't bite :P
[17:12] <sgclark> Thanks everyone, gonna step out a bit to calm my frazzled nerves lol
[17:20] <Riddell> sgclark: arg, sorry, I was the one who messed up on timezones and missed it :(
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: vote on the ML :)
[17:24] <shadeslayer> also, I'm done
[17:24] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[17:25] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer 
[18:25] <sgclark> It's ok Riddell: just be sure to vote in my favor please :)
[19:18] <soee> looks cool https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM3I/dEIyVSNFf_w/s1600/SystemSettings-New_zpsce8cb0ac.png :)
[19:18] <soee> thw wole work  by vdg is amazing :)
[19:24] <ahoneybun> sgclark: going for the membership?
[19:26] <ahoneybun> soee: is that the new system settings for kde?
[19:26] <sgclark> ahoneybun: trying :)
[19:26] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I wish you luck and you'll do fine!
[19:26] <sgclark> thanks!
[19:27] <ahoneybun> sgclark: is there a set time and date?
[19:27] <sgclark> meeting was this morning, waiting for the votes to roll in
[19:28] <ahoneybun> darn I missed it
[19:28] <ahoneybun> was at work
[19:28] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I'm sure you'll get it
[19:29] <sgclark> ty, hope so :)
[19:30] <ahoneybun> np
[19:31] <ahoneybun> I find having the @kubuntu.org email awesome
[19:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I placed a spot for kubuntu on the burningISO page you gave me yesterday, have not finished it yet
[21:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: great
[22:09] <santa_> Riddell: thank you for merging my changes, as you can see I have figured the merge request button thing with the help of a #launchpad guy. now that I have a workflow my plan is rebuilding the kf5 packages and fix these kind of issues, i.e. *.pri files in multiach, missing -dev packages because of wrap-and-sort, missing optional build dependencies
[22:49] <Riddell> santa_: that would be great, thanks
[22:49] <Riddell> santa_: one other issue is to add more dependencies to the -dev packages
[22:50] <santa_> what you mean more dependencies? like what?
[22:50] <Riddell> santa_: so libkf5coreaddons-dev has /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5CoreAddons/KF5CoreAddonsConfig.cmake which says find_dependency qt5core so libkf5coreaddons-dev should depend on qt5core's -dev package
[22:51] <Riddell> or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5JobWidgets/KF5JobWidgetsConfig.cmake has find_dependency on Qt5Widgets KF5CoreAddons KF5WidgetsAddons so libkf5jobwidgets-dev should depend on all those -dev packages
[22:51] <santa_> I understand, how is that could be done? by hand?
[22:51] <Riddell> yes I think it's a slow manual task
[22:51] <santa_> hmm
[22:52] <santa_> definitely this idea I'm about to explain should be done after the exams
[22:53] <santa_> what about doing a dh_something which would parse the cmake files and provide a substvar with the dependencies?
[22:53] <santa_> thus the -dev package would depend on that substvar
[22:54] <santa_> but as I said, if the idea is ok, after the exams :D
[22:54] <Riddell> yes, may work but a fiddly job to implement
[22:55] <santa_> oh, and another thing easy to do
[22:55] <santa_> some packages having various libraries should use ${allLibraries}
[22:55] <santa_> instead of listing the packages one by one
[23:16] <valorie> shit, I missed the meeting?
[23:16] <valorie> arghhhh
[23:17] <valorie> although I'm not sure we were online at that point
[23:17] <valorie> problems with all the tech in the house within a week.... now all fixx00red, hopefully
[23:30] <jose> valorie: hey, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/05/29/community-donations-funding-report/ may be interesting to you (in case you haven't seen it yet)
[23:31] <valorie> I had not seen it, no
[23:31] <valorie> thank you for the link, jose
[23:31] <jose> np :)
[23:33] <valorie> looks like we've been making good use of those funds
[23:43] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:44] <jose> yep, looks like :)
[23:45] <ScottK> For the record: I told Riddell in advance to vote +1 for sgclark for me and then he missed the meeting.  
[23:46] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm thinking of trying to use those funds for Akademy
[23:49] <jose> ahoneybun: for sponsorship? as long as you don't ask for $41,552.34 it's a good idea :P
[23:49] <ahoneybun> jose: yea lol just wondering as I am in the US
[23:50] <jose> I don't think I'll be able to go to Akademy, there's a conference conflict in those dates and ticket's already bought :(
[23:50] <ahoneybun> I can't find a flight for that day!
[23:51] <jose> where are you leaving from?
[23:51] <jose> I'll help you find a cheap one
[23:52] <valorie> all us Murricans are sort of expensive to send to Akademy
[23:53] <valorie> I imagine once the word gets out, there might be more Gnomers asking for funding too
[23:54] <ahoneybun> jose: Hollywood, FL
[23:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: can't even find a damn plane lol
[23:55] <valorie> ahoneybun: fly to Vienna, then take the bus
[23:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: never thought of that
[23:55] <valorie> https://akademy.kde.org/2014/travel-brno
[23:55]  * ahoneybun need to get his passport
[23:55] <valorie> yes, get on that today
[23:56] <valorie> it takes awhile
[23:57] <valorie> I hope I get word back soon; the price of the ticket keeps rising
[23:57]  * ahoneybun is short on money
[23:57] <ahoneybun> around 1300 or so right now
[23:58] <valorie> more than that from here
[23:59] <ahoneybun> 135 for my passport