| rick_h_ | hope CHC went well, almost all packed wheee | 03:25 |
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| cmaloney | rick_h_: Yeah, we had mrgoodcat and waf there | 10:34 |
| cmaloney | Though we ducked out early because the prof wasn't there. :) | 10:35 |
| mrgoodcat | it was one of my most productive chc meetings too | 12:43 |
| mrgoodcat | i almost did homework | 12:44 |
| brousch_ | Heh, my friend is supposed to give a talk about using TrueCrypt tonight at WMLUG | 13:00 |
| jrwren | lol | 13:07 |
| jrwren | my money is on someone picking it up. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | i didn't read the details about them folding | 13:08 |
| jrwren | iirc snowden taught greenwald to use truecrypt when greenwald went to russia | 13:10 |
| mrgoodcat | check out the pretty new haskell website. not done yet but shows promise http://haskell-lang.org/ | 13:23 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/eLEsq1 - Haskell Programming Language | 13:23 |
| mrgoodcat | the current haskell.org kinda sucks... | 13:24 |
| mrgoodcat | here's the blog post where the creator explains his motivations/methodologies http://chrisdone.com/posts/haskell-lang | 13:29 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/Yw2G3a - An alternative Haskell home page | 13:29 |
| brousch_ | Are there any things I know of that are written in Haskell? | 13:33 |
| mrgoodcat | well that's a difficult question to answer... | 13:38 |
| mrgoodcat | pandoc? | 13:39 |
| mrgoodcat | if you're asking a question like that the answer is probably no | 13:39 |
| brousch_ | I am wondering if it's been used for any real project or if it's just an academic language | 13:40 |
| mrgoodcat | ah i understand. http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_industry | 13:42 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/N3OIn - Haskell in industry - HaskellWiki | 13:42 |
| mrgoodcat | notably, at&t and some banks | 13:42 |
| cmaloney | Pretty sure the answer to most languages that you've heard of is they're being used somewhere. | 13:43 |
| cmaloney | Heck, I'm sure someone out there is using Brainfuck in production | 13:43 |
| Havenstance | mrgoodcat, it appears that using community edition software in a production environment isn't a good idea. Boss found that out the hard way yesterday despite my trying to convince him otherwise from the start :) | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | Havenstance: what happened? | 13:58 |
| mrgoodcat | hope i didn't get you in trouble... :/ | 13:59 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney: lol i sincerely hope so | 13:59 |
| Havenstance | nah, you didn't get me in trouble :) | 13:59 |
| Havenstance | he had me put the community edition on it and yesterday it was complaining about upgrading to ubuntu 14.04 | 14:00 |
| Havenstance | his dumb ass clicked go | 14:00 |
| Havenstance | dropped a nuclear bomb on the entire system | 14:00 |
| Havenstance | we shared a good laugh once things calmed down :) | 14:00 |
| Havenstance | mainly because watching the clerks run around like chickens with no heads was extremely amusing | 14:01 |
| mrgoodcat | comm edition of zentyal? | 14:02 |
| mrgoodcat | how did you fix? | 14:02 |
| Havenstance | I haven't yet lol. We put a router in place of the box to hold over until we get it fixed | 14:02 |
| Havenstance | I had xubuntu 13.10 on it for the GUI that worked to make him happy there. Then I put zentyal over that and it worked great but xubuntu kept complaining that xubuntu 14.04 was out and watned to upgrade. I told him doing it would break the system just to click ignore cuz I didn't know how to make it stop | 14:03 |
| Havenstance | Probably was an easy setting or something well he mistakenly clicked upgrade and gave it the password and it proceeded to Fubar itself | 14:03 |
| Havenstance | he's since paid for the latest edition of ClearOS Professional and is having me run with that. I don't know anything about it but I suppose I didn't know anything about zentyal either and now I at least have some terminal experience under my belt to help figure things out. | 14:04 |
| Havenstance | but good news is if I need help with it. I can call the support line and they will walk me through it. So that's a blessing I suppose | 14:05 |
| Havenstance | We are putting it on two machines though and going to keep one as a redundancy that just sits there until we need it. | 14:06 |
| Havenstance | the guy might be picky as hell but he's smart as a whip he's the one that threw the router at me when it happened said pull that out and throw this in. then I had to change IPs on all POS machines and the servers for them.... It made for an interesting hour to say the least lol | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | Happy Afternoon | 16:56 |
| greg-g | not yet | 17:00 |
| * greg-g slept in | 17:00 | |
| mrgoodcat | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/05/openssl-to-get-a-security-audit-and-two-full-time-developers/ | 19:38 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/dX3LB8 - OpenSSL to get a security audit and two full-time developers | Ars Technica | 19:38 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: About time | 19:46 |
| cmaloney | It's interesting how something that pretty much powers the entirey security of the OSS online presence was pretty much completely volunteer. | 19:47 |
| greg-g | interesting but not surprising | 19:49 |
| greg-g | I get more and more cynical the longer I work at FLOSS orgs. | 19:49 |
| greg-g | WMF's infra is 99.9999% FLOSS (only our server BIOS, Juniper routers, the one NetApp server, and MaxMind GeoIP database are proprietary), so we're the canary for a lot of things. | 19:50 |
| greg-g | (that doesn't count developer side things like laptops, or google docs in use by other parts of the org, etc) | 19:50 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Oh definitely not surprising | 19:51 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: cynincal in what regard? | 19:51 |
| greg-g | I wonder if my talk on this topic will be accepted at the next Wikimania in London | 19:51 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: mostly pragmatic that there aren't always maintainers of every bit of software we run, so we need to step up and learn/fix things other people wrote all the time. | 19:52 |
| greg-g | the hard part is the "we" in that sentence is mostly just my team, not the other teams in engineering | 19:52 |
| greg-g | iow: my team is a part of "Platform" whereas all the other teams are "Feature teams" aka 'writing new greenfield shit' | 19:53 |
| greg-g | there's a good quote from our team tech lead: Platform team. We do all the boring things. Well, we don't think they're boring. | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | heh | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Yeah, I think many organizations don't realize that OSS is more than just downloading someone else's work | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | there's also a stewardship component | 19:56 |
| greg-g | sometimes it can be, most times if you're really invested in it, it's much much more | 19:56 |
| greg-g | yep | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | It's pushing patches upstream | 19:57 |
| cmaloney | and making sure to file reports if something breaks | 19:57 |
| cmaloney | And stepping up if something doesn't get fixed | 19:57 |
| greg-g | luckily we do upstream'ing right, it'd be hard if I worked some place that either didn't push things upstream or was bad about releasing/accepting patches to our code | 19:57 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I've been fortunate with the last few jobs (minus one) for releasing code upstream. | 19:58 |
| * greg-g nods | 19:58 | |
| greg-g | Every now and then I pinch myself. My only real jobs (3 at this point, after grad school) have been very privileged in this respect | 19:59 |
| greg-g | (being a camp counselor and fast food worker in college doesn't count ;) ) | 19:59 |
| cmaloney | I have never done more with my life after smacking cans at Meijer | 20:00 |
| cmaloney | that was the height of my career. | 20:00 |
| greg-g | smacking cans? | 20:00 |
| greg-g | busking? | 20:00 |
| cmaloney | No, working at the bottle return pre-self-service | 20:01 |
| greg-g | ahhh | 20:01 |
| cmaloney | It's one of those jobs (like elevator operator) that you'll have to explain to folks what that was. | 20:03 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:04 |
| greg-g | funny, we still have door men ;) | 20:04 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: My 6 year old does that job now:P | 20:05 |
| brousch_ | I'm sure he gets much more fun out of it too | 20:05 |
| cmaloney | prepping him for the wild world of button-pushing, eh? :) | 20:06 |
| * cmaloney just got this shiver for what the office of 10 years from now will look like | 20:07 | |
| cmaloney | "Here's your desk, and here's your tablet" | 20:07 |
| cmaloney | http://blog.logitech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Tablet-Keyboard_BTY2_A_Mac_72_dpi.jpg <- workstation | 20:08 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/C6v9Tj - image/jpeg | 20:08 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: I carry that around with me more often than my laptop. Of course it's a Nexus 10, but close enough | 20:09 |
| brousch_ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AG0D61O/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | 20:10 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/TIasf - Amazon.com: Poetic KeyBook Removable Bluetooth Keyboard Case for Google Nexus 10 Black (With Auto Sleep/Wake Function) (3 Year Warranty from Poetic): Computers & Accessories | 20:10 |
| cmaloney | http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/ssio03.jpg | 20:10 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/qR3VNi - image/jpeg | 20:10 |
| brousch_ | If my PyOhio talk is accepted, I'll be presenting from it | 20:10 |
| cmaloney | There's your desktop machine. ;) | 20:10 |
| cmaloney | brousch_: So it's a laptop with a crappy hinge. ;) | 20:11 |
| brousch_ | The keyboard is magnetic, so it can be moved anywhere | 20:11 |
| cmaloney | ... crappy hinge. | 20:11 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:12 |
| brousch_ | :P | 20:12 |
| brousch_ | The keyboard is the closest I've found to being "normal" | 20:13 |
| brousch_ | Just a little bit of out-of-place in the lower right corner | 20:13 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm not worried about what the office will look like in ten years | 20:18 |
| mrgoodcat | you probably didn't think anyone could be productive on a laptop in 2004 | 20:18 |
| brousch_ | Office will be everyone using a 39" 8K touchscreen dumb terminal | 20:19 |
| greg-g | we'll go back to dumb terminals? | 20:20 |
| cmaloney | We aren't? | 20:20 |
| greg-g | or do you mean "fat clients" eg chromebooks | 20:20 |
| brousch_ | Yes | 20:20 |
| brousch_ | fat client is a better term | 20:20 |
| cmaloney | I'd argue the web is already the "smart terminal" | 20:21 |
| greg-g | dumb terminal to me means nothing on it other than a remote desktop-type thing | 20:21 |
| greg-g | yeah | 20:21 |
| greg-g | there's a good xkcd (of course) about the phone app analogy | 20:21 |
| greg-g | phone app vs webpage | 20:21 |
| brousch_ | Damn, everything really will be written in Javascript | 20:21 |
| cmaloney | a-yep | 20:22 |
| greg-g | none of that crap coffeescript | 20:22 |
| cmaloney | It's like realizing everyone was writing in Basic | 20:22 |
| cmaloney | But a version of Basic that actively screws with variable types | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | No, wait, that is Basic. | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | Shitty floating point. | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | Hmm... starting to think Brendan Eich may have been a Microsoft plant all along. :) | 20:23 |
| greg-g | hah | 20:24 |
| mrgoodcat | you don't think javascript will ever be replaced? | 20:24 |
| mrgoodcat | i think that seems a bit unlikely | 20:24 |
| brousch_ | It's been around forever, and nothing has replaced it yet | 20:25 |
| brousch_ | You would need MS+Google+Mozilla to agree on something | 20:26 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I think it will be replaced... by something that compiles down to Javascript | 20:26 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 20:26 |
| mrgoodcat | i think something will not replace it but maybe be in addition to it | 20:26 |
| cmaloney | It's almost prophetic how it was named | 20:26 |
| mrgoodcat | and eventually everyone will stop using it | 20:27 |
| mrgoodcat | then it will die | 20:27 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: Sounds like I should pay more attention to pyjamas and its ilk | 20:27 |
| cmaloney | It's like a Java JVM that is scripted. | 20:27 |
| mrgoodcat | VERY VERY SLOWLY | 20:27 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Like FORTRAN | 20:27 |
| brousch_ | I think VBScript is still around in ancient proprietary webapps | 20:27 |
| cmaloney | I'm surprised VBScript still runs | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | ugh the bugs!!! | 21:26 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: hey, are least you aren't dealing with a site issue today! | 21:27 |
| greg-g | https://identi.ca/greg | 21:27 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/EVPM3j - Greg Grossmeier - Identi.ca | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: doh, deploy fail? | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: oops | 21:28 |
| greg-g | actually no! | 21:28 |
| greg-g | ops puppet config fail | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | doh | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | time for juju charms :P | 21:28 |
| greg-g | so, not my team! | 21:28 |
| greg-g | hah, right | 21:28 |
| greg-g | no offense, but.... | 21:28 |
| greg-g | ;) | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | just poking/kidding | 21:29 |
| greg-g | I know | 21:29 |
| greg-g | complexity is hard | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | yep yep | 21:29 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: bees? | 22:15 |
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