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bdukMore almal05:26
Private_Usermore bduk05:49
Private_Usermorning everybody05:49
bdukMore Private_User 05:49
Squirmmorning05:52
Private_Usermorning Squirm05:55
JabberwockyA19morning everyone05:55
Private_Usermorning JabberwockyA1905:55
Private_Usermorning Kilos06:00
Kilosmorning Private_User  JabberwockyA19  and all others06:01
Kilosill be a bit slow today got a thumper on my shoulders06:03
Kiloshi Spekko  06:08
Spekkomore Kilos06:08
Cantideafternoon everyone :p06:20
Kiloshi Cantide  06:29
Kiloswbb06:29
Cantidehello :)06:29
Cantidehoe gaannit?06:30
Cantide:p06:30
CantideI haven't heard Afrikaans for months 'o'06:30
Private_Userafternoon Cantide, morning Spekko06:30
Private_Userfor me its like both morning and evening since I am up since yesterday06:31
Private_Userhehe06:31
Spekkomorning Private_User06:33
Cantideo_O06:33
Cantidearen't you tired?06:33
CantideI can't function without sleep :S06:33
Private_Usernot that tired yet06:34
Cantide'o'06:34
* Cantide wants to inherit Private_User's supernatural abilities06:34
Private_UserI will probably go crash eventually06:34
Private_UserLOL06:34
Private_UserI wish I had supernatural abilities06:34
Cantidei have to get back to work in an hour..06:35
Cantidehmmm... to study or exercise... or both...06:36
JabberwockyA19môre Kilos, Cantide06:36
Cantidehai hai~06:37
Kiloshi superfly  ThatGraemeGuy  06:45
ThatGraemeGuylo06:46
superflyhi Kilos06:46
KilosFetched 192 MB in 4min 11s (763 kB/s)06:48
Kiloshows that for 3g speed06:49
Kilosnight before last06:49
Kilosfat kde upgrade06:49
Kiloshi SilverCode  06:56
SilverCodemorning Kilos 06:56
Kilosi go let sheep out07:05
Cantidebut don't chicken out :p07:12
Kiloshyaha07:14
Kiloshi Xethron  07:31
Private_Userok this Lubuntu machine ha just been standing after powering up, logging in and doing nothing and now it seems to be frozen07:48
Private_Userno response from Keyboard or Mouse07:48
Vince-0o/08:15
Kiloshi Vince-0  08:24
Kilosmorning altus  08:24
Vince-0haai08:26
Kiloshi gremble  09:11
grembleHello Kilos 09:11
Kilosmy mine tes error reads couldnt find invisible.ping on starting maybe thats why i cant build a tower up under me09:28
* Squirm looks around09:44
Kiloshi Squirm  09:47
Kilosoh ya bduk  the reason for making firebreaks is so that you can start backburns ahead of oncoming fires10:15
Kiloswith a 5 metre break in a strong wind all you will succeed in doing is starting the fire behind you10:16
Kilosdont forget that backburns have to burn into the wind so they are slower10:18
Kiloshmm... he is too busy in minetest and must have alerts off10:20
grembleI need to perpare our house from fire this winter10:22
grembleLast winter we almost lost it :x10:22
bdukhi kilos i agree and thats mainly what we use it for and also along the roads cause some smokers just through their buds out and don't care about what happens.10:23
Kilosbduk near the end of winter bad peeps light fires on purpose to destroy the property of those that have10:51
Kilosgremble  you onna farm?10:51
Kilosearly winter fires are easier to manage, late winter fires are killers with strong wind10:52
XethronHi Kilos11:12
Kiloshi mobilemonkey  11:30
mazalOom Kilos , weet jy hoe om dye te gebruik ?11:31
=== Kilos is now known as Kiloshare
=== Kiloshare is now known as Kilos
Kiloshare klere?11:32
mazalNo man , in minetest11:32
mazalMens kry dye van blomme af. Maar ek kry nie reg om iets te kleur nie11:32
Kiloslol nee man ek sukkel nog met basiese goed11:32
Kiloswat se google11:33
Kilosmazal  google minetest dye11:33
Kilosai!11:33
KilosMaaz  google minetest dye11:33
MaazKilos: "Dye - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Dye :: "Wool - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Wool :: "Flower - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Flower :: "VanessaE/unifieddyes · GitHub" https://github.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes :: "Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.com/ :: "Arch Linux - minetest 0.4.9-4 (i686) - File List"11:33
Maazhttps://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/minetest/files/ :: "IRC log for #minetest, 2013-08-12" ht…11:33
mobilemonkeyHello11:35
mazalAg mooi man " can be used to color wool ". En waar kry mens wool11:36
mazalLo mobilemonkey 11:36
mobilemonkeyMazal i think one needs the mobs mod that adds sheep11:40
mobilemonkeyAlso not sure but i think one can also dye cotton11:40
bdukBuy everyone12:44
smilehi :p12:50
magespawnhello all12:54
N8WulfElo...12:58
N8WulfAny idea why the local Repositories are so slow or is a Vodacom Data issue maybe?12:59
magespawnN8Wulf, i have no idea, did not realise they were slow. which one are you using?13:26
magespawnKilos ping13:26
Kilosyhi magespawn  13:26
magespawnminetest?13:27
Kilosyessir but only just now. slept fo a coupla hours13:27
N8WulfI tried SAIX as well as Stellenbosch and Neology... I'm currently on a Datacentre in Germany which finally allows me to do my regular updates13:27
Kilosmaybe they upgrading N8Wulf  13:28
Kilosmagespawn  pong13:28
N8WulfAll the local mirrors at the same time?13:28
Kilosi think they do that13:29
N8Wulfo... okay... :-D13:29
Kilosdepend on who set them up13:29
Kilosmagespawn  do you not know about minetest??13:32
Kilossuper game for ubuntu users in the repos but also can be used on windows13:33
Vince-0Guiz...13:34
Vince-0Can anyone recommend a company to support an enterprise LDAP implementation? synaq, obsidian13:34
magespawnhey Kilos I do know about minetest, just do not get time to play14:00
magespawnVince-0, any recommendations for imrpving call quality in asterisk?14:01
Kilosai! magespawn  make a plan from home man14:01
Kilosyou missing all the fun14:01
Kilosyou get to associate with addicts14:02
magespawnbusy studying then14:02
Kilosoh ya thats more important14:02
magespawnN8Wulf, sounds like a local problem then14:02
magespawnanyways have to make a move, see you all later maybe14:05
N8Wulf8-)14:08
Vince-0magespawn14:17
Vince-0call quality is almost always network related14:18
Vince-0unless your server is at 200% load14:18
Vince-0or your carrier is kaark14:25
Vince-0bbl15:15
Kilosprivate user whats happening15:54
Kilosoh hes sleeping15:54
Kiloshi smile15:58
smileKilos: hi! :D16:00
magespawngood evening17:14
Kiloshi magespawn  17:26
Kilossaorry was eating17:26
Kilossorry also as well too17:26
magespawnno worries trying out minetest for a break17:27
Kilosonline or single player magespawn  ?17:27
Kilosnaand inetpro  koud genoeg?17:29
magespawnonline just found you17:31
Kiloshaha you an expert at it like everyone else17:48
kbmonkeyhello18:01
Maazkbmonkey: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey this is the telkom starter pack d-link dwm-156 modem --Fetched 192 MB in 4min 11s (763 kB/s)" 1 day, 19 hours, 47 minutes and 46 seconds ago18:01
kbmonkeysjoe18:01
kbmonkeyKilos, I have an early version of the minetest map here: https://spideroak.com/browse/share/keyboardmonkeypublic/publicmonkeyfiles/public/screenshots/18:03
kbmonkeyhi captine 18:06
magespawnhey kbmonkey 18:06
captineevening18:07
Kilosto do what with kbmonkey  ?18:07
Kiloshi captine  18:07
captinehi hi18:08
captineneed some help.  looking for a tool to be able to have users log invoice processing issues and then update them and track them?  trying osticket as an alternative to a prior custom webapp I had built.  Anyone got experience with issue tracking systems that can be easily reported on?18:08
magespawnrt18:08
magespawni used it a bit when i was doing work for one of the hotels18:09
kbmonkeyhmm sorry I don't know of any off-hand captine. 18:09
kbmonkey^ ah there18:09
kbmonkeyKilos, our minetest world map early version18:09
theblazehenEvening all18:09
kbmonkeyhi theblazehen 18:10
Kiloswhat do you do with it kbmonkey  ?18:10
Kiloshi theblazehen  18:10
theblazehenhey kbmonkey 18:10
magespawncaptine, http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/18:10
magespawnhi theblazehen 18:10
superflycaptine: I18:10
theblazeheney magespawn 18:10
superfly*I've tried a few18:10
superflycaptine: eventually settled on osticket18:11
superflyit's not the prettiest, but it gets the job done18:11
superflycaptine: our specific requirements were (a) run on shared hosting, and (b) must be able to hook into e-mail and reply via e-mail18:12
captinesuperfly, thanks.  this is for an accounts payable team to track invoices that they cannot process.  only issue i have with osticket is no pretty reports....  need to build those18:13
captinemagespawn, that link looks good18:13
magespawncaptine, ihave not set one up yet, but there are a few companies that i have run into that use it extensively18:14
captineour IT manager went to a security conference this week.. came back with feedback that opensource is going to be the way to go to ensure security and control over code etc.. pretty awesome, as we have just moved from suse and novel servers to full windows shop18:16
magespawncaptine, is that how they spell ironic?18:29
captinelol18:30
captinestep in the right direction18:30
Kiloscaptine  didnt you tell them windows is the biggest security risk18:30
superflycaptine: accounts payable? do they need to track invoices or just "e-mails"?18:32
captineinvoices that cannot be processed due to missing information etc18:33
Kiloskbmonkey  does that map go by signposts18:34
captinesuperfly, it is a shared service.  i had built a custom list in a tool called wavemaker, with a mysql backend and a BIRT reporting server to show open queries etc18:35
kbmonkeyKilos, most by sign posts, but some not. it is early days, I'm just showing off.18:39
Kilosoh kbmonkey  you made the map18:40
superflykbmonkey: how can I assist you with making the map?18:45
kbmonkeysuperfly, if you just want to supply points of interest by all means. do you know which coordinates to use? 18:46
kbmonkeyalso superfly if you are more interested in the code, git@github.com:wesleywerner/minemap.git18:46
superflyno18:46
superflyI also want to maop the roads18:47
superfly*map18:47
kbmonkeyit should get a lot prettier once we use icons though 18:47
kbmonkeyin minetest hit F5 to view your position as (x, z, y). z is height so I ignore that. I use (x, y).18:48
kbmonkeythat is all I need to add a landmark18:49
ThatGraemeGuyoh hai18:52
magespawnhowdy ThatGraemeGuy 18:55
kbmonkeymagespawn, have you made some tools yet?18:58
magespawnkbmonkey, no not yet. still need to figure out how.19:00
magespawni have to go now, they are closing the restaurant19:01
kbmonkeycool19:01
magespawnlater all, good night in case i cannot connect again19:02
Kiloskbmonkey  how does one copy paste the co-ords down19:04
Kilosor must you pen and paper it19:04
kbmonkeyja I type them out19:04
Kilosok ill give you home co-ords now19:05
kbmonkeythey'll get added soon enough Kilos ;)19:05
Kilos126.1 31.519:05
Kilosoh will it just happen or do you manually do it?19:06
superflykbmonkey: is the example map our map?19:06
kbmonkeysuperfly, yes it is19:08
kbmonkeyI am using our world as the test bunny19:08
superflykbmonkey: py2 or 3?19:11
kbmonkeypy219:11
kbmonkey3 might work but not tried it19:12
kbmonkeyneed to draw some icons to put on the map...19:12
superflyai, kbmonkey, PEP819:14
* kbmonkey blushes19:14
kbmonkeywill install pep8 style checker and run it through19:16
superflykbmonkey: argparse19:16
kbmonkeysys.argv deprecated in py3?19:17
superflykbmonkey: no, just don't re-invent the wheel... it's already happened like 4 times.19:18
superflykbmonkey: don't parse command line arguments yourself, just use argparse19:19
kbmonkeywill look into that19:19
grembleoverapi.com for all the cheatsheets19:26
kbmonkeymy gost I even have a semicolon in there. ai.19:28
kbmonkeygosh*19:28
smilesee ya :)19:33
inetproguten abend19:37
inetprooh and hi Kilos19:37
Kilosohi inetpro  19:37
inetpronot as cold as other evenings today19:37
Kilosjy moeg nog steeds19:37
inetproaltyd19:37
Kilosai!19:37
inetprocaptine, superfly: bugzilla can be used to track pretty much anything 19:42
kbmonkeynice gremble !19:42
superflyinetpro: I needed something that mere mortals can use19:42
captinelooks that way.  am looking at it now19:42
captinelol.  is it complicated to setup?19:43
inetprovery very simple to set up19:43
inetprothe biggest problem with it is that it is intimidating for end users19:43
inetprobut once users understand how it works it really is very simple19:44
superflyinetpro: it's also perl, which wasn't going to work for me.19:44
inetproreports are quite powerful but can be complex19:44
superflyas much as I detest PHP, at least I can fix it19:44
inetproai!19:45
inetproit's used quite extensively for many massive projects19:45
inetproand it's pretty much tried and tested, not much that needs fixing19:48
superflyinetpro: if I had a dollar for every "tried and tested" "mature, massive project" that I had to fix... I'd be a very rich man19:52
inetproI guess you're right, it's never completely done19:53
* inetpro should try others for a change19:55
superflykbmonkey: BTW, I use line lengths of 120, not 7919:58
superfly79 is just too short19:58
kbmonkeysuperfly, I did some pep8 cleanup. I wont say it is the neatest code...20:04
superflykbmonkey: I'm already rewriting most of it...20:04
superflys/rewriting/refactoring/20:04
superfly;-)20:04
kbmonkeyalso the coordinate hacks suprised me and a proper transform would be better20:04
kbmonkeyyeah refactoring ha ha ;)20:05
kbmonkeyluckily it is on 255 lines20:06
kbmonkeyonly*20:06
superflykbmonkey: also, "except ValueError as e"20:09
kbmonkeythat is what I get for prototyping :]20:10
superflyis there not a better file format to use? like JSON?20:12
superflythis config object is quite horrible :-(20:12
kbmonkeyjson? really, all those curly brackets? I'm trying to get away from c here ;)20:13
superflykbmonkey: it could be worse, it could be XML20:13
superflyJSON GOOOOOD20:14
kbmonkeyha ha, if it was xml we would have two problems20:14
superflybizactly20:14
kbmonkeyI chose something easy to read, is all. for any non-coder people. for my purpose it suited the bill well enough.20:17
Kilosnight all sleep tigh20:17
superflyJSON is not that difficult...20:18
superflyat least I don't think it's too difficult to overcome. About as difficult as a config file20:19
kbmonkeynah its not I use it at work20:19
superflyand if necessary, we can add a GUI :-P20:19
kbmonkeyhowever I did try it for a game once and found it akward20:19
kbmonkeyhttp://keyboardmonkey.co.za/alive/?page=posts.news&post=20130618.md20:20
kbmonkeyso I wrote about the change from json to conf20:20
kbmonkeyI guess I have enough of brackets after 15 years of them xD20:20
kbmonkeypersonally having to escape characters bugs me. 20:22
superflynot sure why you couldn't just use the titles of the animations for keys in JSON like you did in the config part?20:23
superflyJSON is not JavaScript, it is a JS-compatible way of laying out data20:24
superflythat is a point that seems to elude most people (including me until recently)20:24
superflyfor instance, NaN, while valid JS, is not valid JSON20:25
kbmonkeythat makes more sense now!20:26
kbmonkeyalso json does not get run through an interpreter, but gets parsed into a structure20:27
kbmonkeyor am I wrong?20:27
kbmonkey anyway as long as we can agree to vi! he he ;)20:32
superflykbmonkey: that is true. in fact, the structure is almost identical to configobj, except that it has real ints and things20:33
superflykbmonkey: ping21:28
kbmonkeyhi superfly !21:35
superflykbmonkey: almost finished my refactor (including the move to JSON)21:35
kbmonkeywow!21:36
kbmonkeypull request? 21:36
superflyI'll do so once I'm done21:37
kbmonkeyI look forward to seeing your changes :)21:37
kbmonkeyoh nice, true type font rendering...21:54
superflyconverting your config file to json...21:57
superflykbmonkey: I think some of my co-ordinate calculations are a bit off22:05
kbmonkeyhow so superfly? do they appear reversed?22:09
superflyno, I shortened a for within a for to a for zip(), but that was for tiling hte background, which was clearly wrong22:09
superflyfixed it now.22:09
superflystill not sure everything is correct22:10
kbmonkeywow you are going all out hey. I just wanted to get a working version to see a map xD22:11
superflythis is what I get: http://picpaste.com/example-world-2kexz3hc.png22:11
kbmonkeyI started making a map in GIMP initially22:11
superflykbmonkey: either do it properly, or don't do it at all :-P22:11
kbmonkeythey seem good to me22:14
kbmonkeyall in place OK22:14
superflyok, cool22:17
superflyyeah, looks like it22:17
superflyjust going through the world now, and it all seems right22:17
superflyOK22:17
superflylemme commit and push22:17
kbmonkeyexcellent22:18
kbmonkeyyou can teach me a thing or two ;)22:18
kbmonkeyi replaced that retina-burning paper tile 22:18
kbmonkeyI have a line-segment algo I will use to plot pastes along a line.22:22
kbmonkeyPIL does not have anything similar, paste-fill poly. hmmm.22:22
superflyargh!!! I hate git!22:33
superflykbmonkey: I kinda had to throw your most recent changes out  completely, because I couldn't really figure out what you'd changed, apart form PEP822:35
kbmonkeyit was nothing significant superfly it is fine22:37
kbmonkeythe PEP we can redo 22:37
kbmonkeybut you did those I take it, so its all good22:37
kbmonkeydon't lose any sleep over it ;)22:37
superflykbmonkey: https://github.com/wesleywerner/minemap/pull/122:38
kbmonkeycoool22:40
kbmonkeychecking it out now22:40
superflyI've changed a lot...22:40
kbmonkeyI like22:42
superflygit is too confusing -_-22:42
kbmonkeylinux torvalds ahem22:43
superflykbmonkey: yes, but they e-mail patches around22:43
superflythey don't have to deal with any of the distributed stuff22:44
kbmonkeytrue!22:44
superflyand torvalds has never been normal22:45
superflybzr does the exact same job with less commands and less confusion22:45
superflyit just doesn't have github.22:45
superflyif it weren't for github, git would not be as popular as it is now22:45
superflykbmonkey: oh, there's one bug22:46
superflykbmonkey: unless it is intention... the output image is created in the base directory, not the directory where the json file lives22:47
kbmonkeysuccess22:47
kbmonkeyyes I thought about that, and figured that this way you can generate a map in whichever directory you are currently in22:48
kbmonkeynot sure if that feels right, but yeah22:48
kbmonkeythanks superfly I like the changes. pushed.22:49
superflykbmonkey: just pushed a change to save it in the same dir as the json file, you can accept or deny the merge request22:50
kbmonkeyoh I see. it does not create any image 22:51
superflyeh?22:52
kbmonkeyno ignore that ^_^22:52
superflyit just saves the image in the source folder22:52
kbmonkeythat is fine22:52
kbmonkeyI was just confused as using -m does not tab complete filenames.22:52
kbmonkeynice help :)22:53
superflyall thanks to argeparse22:54
superfly*argparse22:54
superflynow I need to go to bed22:54
kbmonkeythanks superfly sleep tight!22:55
kbmonkeygoing too...22:55
superflyyou're welcome22:55
kbmonkeyI will read through the code to see what changed. I like the exception handling you brought in22:59

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