[05:26] <bduk> More almal
[05:49] <Private_User> more bduk
[05:49] <Private_User> morning everybody
[05:49] <bduk> More Private_User 
[05:52] <Squirm> morning
[05:55] <Private_User> morning Squirm
[05:55] <JabberwockyA19> morning everyone
[05:55] <Private_User> morning JabberwockyA19
[06:00] <Private_User> morning Kilos
[06:01] <Kilos> morning Private_User  JabberwockyA19  and all others
[06:03] <Kilos> ill be a bit slow today got a thumper on my shoulders
[06:08] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[06:08] <Spekko> more Kilos
[06:20] <Cantide> afternoon everyone :p
[06:29] <Kilos> hi Cantide  
[06:29] <Kilos> wbb
[06:29] <Cantide> hello :)
[06:30] <Cantide> hoe gaannit?
[06:30] <Cantide> :p
[06:30] <Cantide> I haven't heard Afrikaans for months 'o'
[06:30] <Private_User> afternoon Cantide, morning Spekko
[06:31] <Private_User> for me its like both morning and evening since I am up since yesterday
[06:31] <Private_User> hehe
[06:33] <Spekko> morning Private_User
[06:33] <Cantide> o_O
[06:33] <Cantide> aren't you tired?
[06:33] <Cantide> I can't function without sleep :S
[06:34] <Private_User> not that tired yet
[06:34] <Cantide> 'o'
[06:34]  * Cantide wants to inherit Private_User's supernatural abilities
[06:34] <Private_User> I will probably go crash eventually
[06:34] <Private_User> LOL
[06:34] <Private_User> I wish I had supernatural abilities
[06:35] <Cantide> i have to get back to work in an hour..
[06:36] <Cantide> hmmm... to study or exercise... or both...
[06:36] <JabberwockyA19> môre Kilos, Cantide
[06:37] <Cantide> hai hai~
[06:45] <Kilos> hi superfly  ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[06:46] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> Fetched 192 MB in 4min 11s (763 kB/s)
[06:49] <Kilos> hows that for 3g speed
[06:49] <Kilos> night before last
[06:49] <Kilos> fat kde upgrade
[06:56] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  
[06:56] <SilverCode> morning Kilos 
[07:05] <Kilos> i go let sheep out
[07:12] <Cantide> but don't chicken out :p
[07:14] <Kilos> hyaha
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[07:48] <Private_User> ok this Lubuntu machine ha just been standing after powering up, logging in and doing nothing and now it seems to be frozen
[07:48] <Private_User> no response from Keyboard or Mouse
[08:15] <Vince-0> o/
[08:24] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[08:24] <Kilos> morning altus  
[08:26] <Vince-0> haai
[09:11] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[09:11] <gremble> Hello Kilos 
[09:28] <Kilos> my mine tes error reads couldnt find invisible.ping on starting maybe thats why i cant build a tower up under me
[09:44]  * Squirm looks around
[09:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[10:15] <Kilos> oh ya bduk  the reason for making firebreaks is so that you can start backburns ahead of oncoming fires
[10:16] <Kilos> with a 5 metre break in a strong wind all you will succeed in doing is starting the fire behind you
[10:18] <Kilos> dont forget that backburns have to burn into the wind so they are slower
[10:20] <Kilos> hmm... he is too busy in minetest and must have alerts off
[10:22] <gremble> I need to perpare our house from fire this winter
[10:22] <gremble> Last winter we almost lost it :x
[10:23] <bduk> hi kilos i agree and thats mainly what we use it for and also along the roads cause some smokers just through their buds out and don't care about what happens.
[10:51] <Kilos> bduk near the end of winter bad peeps light fires on purpose to destroy the property of those that have
[10:51] <Kilos> gremble  you onna farm?
[10:52] <Kilos> early winter fires are easier to manage, late winter fires are killers with strong wind
[11:12] <Xethron> Hi Kilos
[11:30] <Kilos> hi mobilemonkey  
[11:31] <mazal> Oom Kilos , weet jy hoe om dye te gebruik ?
[11:32] <Kilos> hare klere?
[11:32] <mazal> No man , in minetest
[11:32] <mazal> Mens kry dye van blomme af. Maar ek kry nie reg om iets te kleur nie
[11:32] <Kilos> lol nee man ek sukkel nog met basiese goed
[11:33] <Kilos> wat se google
[11:33] <Kilos> mazal  google minetest dye
[11:33] <Kilos> ai!
[11:33] <Kilos> Maaz  google minetest dye
[11:33] <Maaz> Kilos: "Dye - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Dye :: "Wool - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Wool :: "Flower - Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.net/Flower :: "VanessaE/unifieddyes · GitHub" https://github.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes :: "Minetest Wiki" http://wiki.minetest.com/ :: "Arch Linux - minetest 0.4.9-4 (i686) - File List"
[11:33] <Maaz> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/minetest/files/ :: "IRC log for #minetest, 2013-08-12" ht…
[11:35] <mobilemonkey> Hello
[11:36] <mazal> Ag mooi man " can be used to color wool ". En waar kry mens wool
[11:36] <mazal> Lo mobilemonkey 
[11:40] <mobilemonkey> Mazal i think one needs the mobs mod that adds sheep
[11:40] <mobilemonkey> Also not sure but i think one can also dye cotton
[12:44] <bduk> Buy everyone
[12:50] <smile> hi :p
[12:54] <magespawn> hello all
[12:58] <N8Wulf> Elo...
[12:59] <N8Wulf> Any idea why the local Repositories are so slow or is a Vodacom Data issue maybe?
[13:26] <magespawn> N8Wulf, i have no idea, did not realise they were slow. which one are you using?
[13:26] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[13:26] <Kilos> yhi magespawn  
[13:27] <magespawn> minetest?
[13:27] <Kilos> yessir but only just now. slept fo a coupla hours
[13:27] <N8Wulf> I tried SAIX as well as Stellenbosch and Neology... I'm currently on a Datacentre in Germany which finally allows me to do my regular updates
[13:28] <Kilos> maybe they upgrading N8Wulf  
[13:28] <Kilos> magespawn  pong
[13:28] <N8Wulf> All the local mirrors at the same time?
[13:29] <Kilos> i think they do that
[13:29] <N8Wulf> o... okay... :-D
[13:29] <Kilos> depend on who set them up
[13:32] <Kilos> magespawn  do you not know about minetest??
[13:33] <Kilos> super game for ubuntu users in the repos but also can be used on windows
[13:34] <Vince-0> Guiz...
[13:34] <Vince-0> Can anyone recommend a company to support an enterprise LDAP implementation? synaq, obsidian
[14:00] <magespawn> hey Kilos I do know about minetest, just do not get time to play
[14:01] <magespawn> Vince-0, any recommendations for imrpving call quality in asterisk?
[14:01] <Kilos> ai! magespawn  make a plan from home man
[14:01] <Kilos> you missing all the fun
[14:02] <Kilos> you get to associate with addicts
[14:02] <magespawn> busy studying then
[14:02] <Kilos> oh ya thats more important
[14:02] <magespawn> N8Wulf, sounds like a local problem then
[14:05] <magespawn> anyways have to make a move, see you all later maybe
[14:08] <N8Wulf> 8-)
[14:17] <Vince-0> magespawn
[14:18] <Vince-0> call quality is almost always network related
[14:18] <Vince-0> unless your server is at 200% load
[14:25] <Vince-0> or your carrier is kaark
[15:15] <Vince-0> bbl
[15:54] <Kilos> private user whats happening
[15:54] <Kilos> oh hes sleeping
[15:58] <Kilos> hi smile
[16:00] <smile> Kilos: hi! :D
[17:14] <magespawn> good evening
[17:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:26] <Kilos> saorry was eating
[17:26] <Kilos> sorry also as well too
[17:27] <magespawn> no worries trying out minetest for a break
[17:27] <Kilos> online or single player magespawn  ?
[17:29] <Kilos> naand inetpro  koud genoeg?
[17:31] <magespawn> online just found you
[17:48] <Kilos> haha you an expert at it like everyone else
[18:01] <kbmonkey> hello
[18:01] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey this is the telkom starter pack d-link dwm-156 modem --Fetched 192 MB in 4min 11s (763 kB/s)" 1 day, 19 hours, 47 minutes and 46 seconds ago
[18:01] <kbmonkey> sjoe
[18:03] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I have an early version of the minetest map here: https://spideroak.com/browse/share/keyboardmonkeypublic/publicmonkeyfiles/public/screenshots/
[18:06] <kbmonkey> hi captine 
[18:06] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey 
[18:07] <captine> evening
[18:07] <Kilos> to do what with kbmonkey  ?
[18:07] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:08] <captine> hi hi
[18:08] <captine> need some help.  looking for a tool to be able to have users log invoice processing issues and then update them and track them?  trying osticket as an alternative to a prior custom webapp I had built.  Anyone got experience with issue tracking systems that can be easily reported on?
[18:08] <magespawn> rt
[18:09] <magespawn> i used it a bit when i was doing work for one of the hotels
[18:09] <kbmonkey> hmm sorry I don't know of any off-hand captine. 
[18:09] <kbmonkey> ^ ah there
[18:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos, our minetest world map early version
[18:09] <theblazehen> Evening all
[18:10] <kbmonkey> hi theblazehen 
[18:10] <Kilos> what do you do with it kbmonkey  ?
[18:10] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[18:10] <theblazehen> hey kbmonkey 
[18:10] <magespawn> captine, http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
[18:10] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[18:10] <superfly> captine: I
[18:10] <theblazehen> ey magespawn 
[18:10] <superfly> *I've tried a few
[18:11] <superfly> captine: eventually settled on osticket
[18:11] <superfly> it's not the prettiest, but it gets the job done
[18:12] <superfly> captine: our specific requirements were (a) run on shared hosting, and (b) must be able to hook into e-mail and reply via e-mail
[18:13] <captine> superfly, thanks.  this is for an accounts payable team to track invoices that they cannot process.  only issue i have with osticket is no pretty reports....  need to build those
[18:13] <captine> magespawn, that link looks good
[18:14] <magespawn> captine, ihave not set one up yet, but there are a few companies that i have run into that use it extensively
[18:16] <captine> our IT manager went to a security conference this week.. came back with feedback that opensource is going to be the way to go to ensure security and control over code etc.. pretty awesome, as we have just moved from suse and novel servers to full windows shop
[18:29] <magespawn> captine, is that how they spell ironic?
[18:30] <captine> lol
[18:30] <captine> step in the right direction
[18:30] <Kilos> captine  didnt you tell them windows is the biggest security risk
[18:32] <superfly> captine: accounts payable? do they need to track invoices or just "e-mails"?
[18:33] <captine> invoices that cannot be processed due to missing information etc
[18:34] <Kilos> kbmonkey  does that map go by signposts
[18:35] <captine> superfly, it is a shared service.  i had built a custom list in a tool called wavemaker, with a mysql backend and a BIRT reporting server to show open queries etc
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Kilos, most by sign posts, but some not. it is early days, I'm just showing off.
[18:40] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey  you made the map
[18:45] <superfly> kbmonkey: how can I assist you with making the map?
[18:46] <kbmonkey> superfly, if you just want to supply points of interest by all means. do you know which coordinates to use? 
[18:46] <kbmonkey> also superfly if you are more interested in the code, git@github.com:wesleywerner/minemap.git
[18:46] <superfly> no
[18:47] <superfly> I also want to maop the roads
[18:47] <superfly> *map
[18:47] <kbmonkey> it should get a lot prettier once we use icons though 
[18:48] <kbmonkey> in minetest hit F5 to view your position as (x, z, y). z is height so I ignore that. I use (x, y).
[18:49] <kbmonkey> that is all I need to add a landmark
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hai
[18:55] <magespawn> howdy ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:58] <kbmonkey> magespawn, have you made some tools yet?
[19:00] <magespawn> kbmonkey, no not yet. still need to figure out how.
[19:01] <magespawn> i have to go now, they are closing the restaurant
[19:01] <kbmonkey> cool
[19:02] <magespawn> later all, good night in case i cannot connect again
[19:04] <Kilos> kbmonkey  how does one copy paste the co-ords down
[19:04] <Kilos> or must you pen and paper it
[19:04] <kbmonkey> ja I type them out
[19:05] <Kilos> ok ill give you home co-ords now
[19:05] <kbmonkey> they'll get added soon enough Kilos ;)
[19:05] <Kilos> 126.1 31.5
[19:06] <Kilos> oh will it just happen or do you manually do it?
[19:06] <superfly> kbmonkey: is the example map our map?
[19:08] <kbmonkey> superfly, yes it is
[19:08] <kbmonkey> I am using our world as the test bunny
[19:11] <superfly> kbmonkey: py2 or 3?
[19:11] <kbmonkey> py2
[19:12] <kbmonkey> 3 might work but not tried it
[19:12] <kbmonkey> need to draw some icons to put on the map...
[19:14] <superfly> ai, kbmonkey, PEP8
[19:14]  * kbmonkey blushes
[19:16] <kbmonkey> will install pep8 style checker and run it through
[19:16] <superfly> kbmonkey: argparse
[19:17] <kbmonkey> sys.argv deprecated in py3?
[19:18] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, just don't re-invent the wheel... it's already happened like 4 times.
[19:19] <superfly> kbmonkey: don't parse command line arguments yourself, just use argparse
[19:19] <kbmonkey> will look into that
[19:26] <gremble> overapi.com for all the cheatsheets
[19:28] <kbmonkey> my gost I even have a semicolon in there. ai.
[19:28] <kbmonkey> gosh*
[19:33] <smile> see ya :)
[19:37] <inetpro> guten abend
[19:37] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[19:37] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  
[19:37] <inetpro> not as cold as other evenings today
[19:37] <Kilos> jy moeg nog steeds
[19:37] <inetpro> altyd
[19:37] <Kilos> ai!
[19:42] <inetpro> captine, superfly: bugzilla can be used to track pretty much anything 
[19:42] <kbmonkey> nice gremble !
[19:42] <superfly> inetpro: I needed something that mere mortals can use
[19:42] <captine> looks that way.  am looking at it now
[19:43] <captine> lol.  is it complicated to setup?
[19:43] <inetpro> very very simple to set up
[19:43] <inetpro> the biggest problem with it is that it is intimidating for end users
[19:44] <inetpro> but once users understand how it works it really is very simple
[19:44] <superfly> inetpro: it's also perl, which wasn't going to work for me.
[19:44] <inetpro> reports are quite powerful but can be complex
[19:44] <superfly> as much as I detest PHP, at least I can fix it
[19:45] <inetpro> ai!
[19:45] <inetpro> it's used quite extensively for many massive projects
[19:48] <inetpro> and it's pretty much tried and tested, not much that needs fixing
[19:52] <superfly> inetpro: if I had a dollar for every "tried and tested" "mature, massive project" that I had to fix... I'd be a very rich man
[19:53] <inetpro> I guess you're right, it's never completely done
[19:55]  * inetpro should try others for a change
[19:58] <superfly> kbmonkey: BTW, I use line lengths of 120, not 79
[19:58] <superfly> 79 is just too short
[20:04] <kbmonkey> superfly, I did some pep8 cleanup. I wont say it is the neatest code...
[20:04] <superfly> kbmonkey: I'm already rewriting most of it...
[20:04] <superfly> s/rewriting/refactoring/
[20:04] <superfly> ;-)
[20:04] <kbmonkey> also the coordinate hacks suprised me and a proper transform would be better
[20:05] <kbmonkey> yeah refactoring ha ha ;)
[20:06] <kbmonkey> luckily it is on 255 lines
[20:06] <kbmonkey> only*
[20:09] <superfly> kbmonkey: also, "except ValueError as e"
[20:10] <kbmonkey> that is what I get for prototyping :]
[20:12] <superfly> is there not a better file format to use? like JSON?
[20:12] <superfly> this config object is quite horrible :-(
[20:13] <kbmonkey> json? really, all those curly brackets? I'm trying to get away from c here ;)
[20:13] <superfly> kbmonkey: it could be worse, it could be XML
[20:14] <superfly> JSON GOOOOOD
[20:14] <kbmonkey> ha ha, if it was xml we would have two problems
[20:14] <superfly> bizactly
[20:17] <kbmonkey> I chose something easy to read, is all. for any non-coder people. for my purpose it suited the bill well enough.
[20:17] <Kilos> night all sleep tigh
[20:18] <superfly> JSON is not that difficult...
[20:19] <superfly> at least I don't think it's too difficult to overcome. About as difficult as a config file
[20:19] <kbmonkey> nah its not I use it at work
[20:19] <superfly> and if necessary, we can add a GUI :-P
[20:19] <kbmonkey> however I did try it for a game once and found it akward
[20:20] <kbmonkey> http://keyboardmonkey.co.za/alive/?page=posts.news&post=20130618.md
[20:20] <kbmonkey> so I wrote about the change from json to conf
[20:20] <kbmonkey> I guess I have enough of brackets after 15 years of them xD
[20:22] <kbmonkey> personally having to escape characters bugs me. 
[20:23] <superfly> not sure why you couldn't just use the titles of the animations for keys in JSON like you did in the config part?
[20:24] <superfly> JSON is not JavaScript, it is a JS-compatible way of laying out data
[20:24] <superfly> that is a point that seems to elude most people (including me until recently)
[20:25] <superfly> for instance, NaN, while valid JS, is not valid JSON
[20:26] <kbmonkey> that makes more sense now!
[20:27] <kbmonkey> also json does not get run through an interpreter, but gets parsed into a structure
[20:27] <kbmonkey> or am I wrong?
[20:32] <kbmonkey>  anyway as long as we can agree to vi! he he ;)
[20:33] <superfly> kbmonkey: that is true. in fact, the structure is almost identical to configobj, except that it has real ints and things
[21:28] <superfly> kbmonkey: ping
[21:35] <kbmonkey> hi superfly !
[21:35] <superfly> kbmonkey: almost finished my refactor (including the move to JSON)
[21:36] <kbmonkey> wow!
[21:36] <kbmonkey> pull request? 
[21:37] <superfly> I'll do so once I'm done
[21:37] <kbmonkey> I look forward to seeing your changes :)
[21:54] <kbmonkey> oh nice, true type font rendering...
[21:57] <superfly> converting your config file to json...
[22:05] <superfly> kbmonkey: I think some of my co-ordinate calculations are a bit off
[22:09] <kbmonkey> how so superfly? do they appear reversed?
[22:09] <superfly> no, I shortened a for within a for to a for zip(), but that was for tiling hte background, which was clearly wrong
[22:09] <superfly> fixed it now.
[22:10] <superfly> still not sure everything is correct
[22:11] <kbmonkey> wow you are going all out hey. I just wanted to get a working version to see a map xD
[22:11] <superfly> this is what I get: http://picpaste.com/example-world-2kexz3hc.png
[22:11] <kbmonkey> I started making a map in GIMP initially
[22:11] <superfly> kbmonkey: either do it properly, or don't do it at all :-P
[22:14] <kbmonkey> they seem good to me
[22:14] <kbmonkey> all in place OK
[22:17] <superfly> ok, cool
[22:17] <superfly> yeah, looks like it
[22:17] <superfly> just going through the world now, and it all seems right
[22:17] <superfly> OK
[22:17] <superfly> lemme commit and push
[22:18] <kbmonkey> excellent
[22:18] <kbmonkey> you can teach me a thing or two ;)
[22:18] <kbmonkey> i replaced that retina-burning paper tile 
[22:22] <kbmonkey> I have a line-segment algo I will use to plot pastes along a line.
[22:22] <kbmonkey> PIL does not have anything similar, paste-fill poly. hmmm.
[22:33] <superfly> argh!!! I hate git!
[22:35] <superfly> kbmonkey: I kinda had to throw your most recent changes out  completely, because I couldn't really figure out what you'd changed, apart form PEP8
[22:37] <kbmonkey> it was nothing significant superfly it is fine
[22:37] <kbmonkey> the PEP we can redo 
[22:37] <kbmonkey> but you did those I take it, so its all good
[22:37] <kbmonkey> don't lose any sleep over it ;)
[22:38] <superfly> kbmonkey: https://github.com/wesleywerner/minemap/pull/1
[22:40] <kbmonkey> coool
[22:40] <kbmonkey> checking it out now
[22:40] <superfly> I've changed a lot...
[22:42] <kbmonkey> I like
[22:42] <superfly> git is too confusing -_-
[22:43] <kbmonkey> linux torvalds ahem
[22:43] <superfly> kbmonkey: yes, but they e-mail patches around
[22:44] <superfly> they don't have to deal with any of the distributed stuff
[22:44] <kbmonkey> true!
[22:45] <superfly> and torvalds has never been normal
[22:45] <superfly> bzr does the exact same job with less commands and less confusion
[22:45] <superfly> it just doesn't have github.
[22:45] <superfly> if it weren't for github, git would not be as popular as it is now
[22:46] <superfly> kbmonkey: oh, there's one bug
[22:47] <superfly> kbmonkey: unless it is intention... the output image is created in the base directory, not the directory where the json file lives
[22:47] <kbmonkey> success
[22:48] <kbmonkey> yes I thought about that, and figured that this way you can generate a map in whichever directory you are currently in
[22:48] <kbmonkey> not sure if that feels right, but yeah
[22:49] <kbmonkey> thanks superfly I like the changes. pushed.
[22:50] <superfly> kbmonkey: just pushed a change to save it in the same dir as the json file, you can accept or deny the merge request
[22:51] <kbmonkey> oh I see. it does not create any image 
[22:52] <superfly> eh?
[22:52] <kbmonkey> no ignore that ^_^
[22:52] <superfly> it just saves the image in the source folder
[22:52] <kbmonkey> that is fine
[22:52] <kbmonkey> I was just confused as using -m does not tab complete filenames.
[22:53] <kbmonkey> nice help :)
[22:54] <superfly> all thanks to argeparse
[22:54] <superfly> *argparse
[22:54] <superfly> now I need to go to bed
[22:55] <kbmonkey> thanks superfly sleep tight!
[22:55] <kbmonkey> going too...
[22:55] <superfly> you're welcome
[22:59] <kbmonkey> I will read through the code to see what changed. I like the exception handling you brought in