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Logan_Noskcaj: you want https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-eyes-plugin/4.4.2/+merge/221146 sponsored/03:41
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Unit193elfy: Just the person I needed.  Sorry I didn't catch you earlier, had to visit the doc and crap.06:07
elfysuch is life06:08
Unit193So I presumed with core testing, we'd want to get it in first so we can use tasksel from the mini ISO, or install the meta without adding any extra repos.  I made the merge request and ochosi kindly reminded me that I should confirm this is how you'd prefer to go about testing this (I was going to wait on getting something installable before contacting you.)06:10
elfyyea that sounds right to me06:12
elfyI would think the best way is 06:12
elfy1 - get -core so tasksel sees it06:12
elfy2 - do some double checks between us06:12
elfy3 - let -testers know - those who are brave enough can then do it06:12
elfy4 - I've still got people that might look elsewhere06:12
elfydoes that make sense to you?06:12
Unit193All except 4, so sounds great and what I was aiming for.  Thanks!06:13
elfy\o/06:15
Unit193Oh, since ochosi isn't on IRC (connection problems), do you want to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu-seed/+merge/221149 or want me to make a comment/06:15
elfyI can - bit like asking a blind man to check your expenses though06:16
elfyUnit193: is that what I think it is - adding core in so it's available for tasksel?06:19
Unit193Also how the xubuntu-core metapackage is created.06:20
elfyok06:20
elfydone06:21
Unit193Thanks!  Want me to hit up trello with the plan?06:22
Unit193elfy: Sorry to sound stupid, but suite b?06:23
elfythe testcases need to be checked before we call06:24
elfyI assume you're looking at the package testcase card with the checklist06:25
elfy6 testcases to check over before we call06:25
Unit193No I wasn't, OK.06:28
elfywhy did you mention it then?06:28
Unit193https://trello.com/c/kKLiedUe/15-suite-b-call saw it was due soon.06:28
Unit193(I got this, I know what's going on.)06:29
elfywoohoo06:30
elfyso people look and it works \o/06:30
Unit193elfy: Sorry, I cheated. :(06:31
Unit193xubutrello: due soon06:31
xubutrello  ->  1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.1006:31
elfyyep - I guessed :)06:31
elfystill you looked06:31
elfynow you know also that the testcases need to be checked :p06:31
Unit193Right.  Isn't lls going to change?06:32
elfyit is - but atm it hasn't - so we can only go with what we have06:33
elfyif it changes after then we can always ask people to test *that* 06:33
elfythere's now a newer due date too :p06:33
elfyshould make more sense with the previous one06:34
Unit193Mhmm, I see.06:37
ochosielfy: i've been disconnected for a day or so, so i didn't see any reply wrt -core testing. i presume you +1-ing the merge request means that you wanna merge first, then test?10:06
Unit193Yes.10:07
Unit193ochosi: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/29/%23xubuntu-devel.html10:08
gryHello. Skype, battery indicator, and goldendict go to 'indicator (unity)' applet. Notes and power indicator go to 'notification area' applet. Quassel icon goes nowhere. Would someone please package things properly and consistently? I am not using unity and do not need the 'indicator (unity)' applet.10:10
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gryWhere do I file bugs for that?10:11
brainwashgry: https://launchpad.net/10:19
knomeochosi, no10:23
slickymasterWorkmorning knome 10:24
knomehey slickymasterWork 10:25
grybrainwash: Bugs in what? In the packages which go to the wrong tray? And what application includes that 'indicator (unity)' applet - I think it shouldn't do that unless unity is installed?10:44
brainwashgry: you mean xfce4-indicator-plugin?10:49
brainwashif you don't want to use it, simply remove it from the panel10:50
Unit193knome: You're the assignee for "Attribute documentation translators" right? ;)  Can I just pass the short, proof of concept script I have and be done?22:54
knomeof course you can ;)22:54
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/PgGsQsa9qy4dslpNuY4Q/ two different options, I think you remember them.  It pulls the lists of contributors, though of course is a tad hacky.22:56
knomeyep, looks good.23:01
Unit193I of course can't do the html hackage, but any more help needed on whichever method slickymaster chooses, and I think I can likely help.23:02
knomedo we want to inject the credits after converting to html?23:03
Unit193Like in the startpage process?23:04
knomewell, yeah...23:04
knomebecause the other option is to mess with the xml.23:04
Unit193I think html is a better bet, no?23:05
knomei don't prefer either way23:05
Unit193Unless you would rather somehow do an #include.23:05
knomehmmh23:05
knomethat might be a good option23:05
knomebut the include would need to be dynamic23:05
knomewell, actually not23:06
knomebecause we could just be sneaky and change the same file to other content23:06
Unit193Or re-generate it and remove. :P23:07
knomewell, that23:07
knomebut practically the same, since the index file could be static23:07
knomehmm, this looks promising23:09
knomefor some reason, the included file must have one wrapping element or the XML parsing will fail23:16
knomebut we can overcome that.23:16
knome...i think23:17
knomehmm...23:18
knomeUnit193, http://paste.openstack.org/show/Ij9D2RgY1KB6Cb5XpG0Z/23:20
knomethat's the markup we need23:20
knomenot too hard, eh?23:20
knomethen in index.xml, something like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/390DO9UEoWDKcGyOURTR/23:21
knomeof course, it's a bit meh with the default language, because we can't revert the <para> so easily23:22
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/nVtJFesnc45w9aPj5Q1U/ there's the output.23:29
knomeyou need <itemizedlist> too23:30
Unit193Well yes, but that's the simple one.23:30
knomeand we do not want the launchpad contibutors line.23:30
Unit193So, changed.  (Those were simple.)23:32
knomeyeah23:32
knomethat's the only thing we need from the included xml23:32
knomei'm also considering how we should word the <para>23:33
knomeit might be a good idea to note that those people did not necessarily *translate* anything, but might have helped with the technical side or sth.23:33
Unit193Some output 'translator-credits', but no Language above the cutoff will do that.23:33
Unit193I don't get my name there anywhere. :(23:33
Unit193:P23:33
knomewell the script could change that to "Unknown"23:33
knomewhat even creates that situation?23:34
knomeonly suggestions in LP?23:34
knomeor things that need reviewing?23:34
knomebecause those aren't saved as translations in the .po files.23:34
knomewhich is... silly23:34
knomeor they are fuzzy or something.23:34
knomei can't remember, it's too much time23:34
knomebut there was something "meh" about it23:35
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/9IKKhGnExd2SjY0ZwrBw fixed!  Yeah, that's when there isn't any listed translators.23:35
knomed'oh!23:35
knomethe start tag is without / ;)23:36
Unit193I know that. :P23:36
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/4VjQ9nQ0oApHx4mcSTbJ/ so that's really what it'd be.23:37
knomeyyyyep23:37
knomethat looks good.23:37
knomedo you want to land the stuff in a branch?23:38
knomei can help with the missing bits, i sorted it out locally23:38
Unit193Are you really sure you want to commit something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/GCsmT8eQqgKMFcfd1lkw with so much sed? :P23:38
knomewell,23:39
knomei don't know why sed would be so evil23:39
knomeif it works for us23:39
knomei mostly just want this out.23:39
knomethen, if people have suggestions how to improve it, do that.23:39
Unit193Want to drop the grep_creds, or fix it?23:40
knomebut for now we don't have anything else, so either we put it out like this, and *have it*, or wait for somebody to come up with something "better", which might take a long time23:40
knomethat just outputs?23:40
Unit193Right, it uses the grep feature rather than building then checking.  It's no faster, but may be cleaner.23:41
knomeah, right.23:41
knomei don't think i have a strong opinion23:41
knomefwiw, you can even leave it there23:41
knomeif it's potentially helpful later23:41
knomejust leave a note that it's not used23:42
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/niMrCLdTLtMhN2uO7YWA/ <<<23:44
knomelooks good.23:44
knomewhat do you think about the placement of the translator credits?23:44
knomei was thinking after the documentation contributors, but before the contributors to the old docs23:44
Unit193http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/ln-idp57636336.html Somewhere in here?23:45
Unit193Yep, exactly.23:45
knomeyeah, then dump one of my pastes there23:45
knomeand the next question:23:45
knomeactually, nvm23:46
knomeor, yeah...23:46
knomedifferent POV:23:46
knomewhere do we need/want to create the temp xml file?23:47
Unit193Either the current working dir, desktop-guide/tmp/ or perhaps desktop-guide/libs/ ?23:48
knomecurrent working dir is meh, because it's included related to the index.xml file.23:48
knomei was thinking libs, as long as it's cleaned and does not get copied to the installation :P23:49
knometbh, it shouldn't matter too much where it is, again as long as it doesn't get left in the installation23:49
Unit193So here's the problem, does the build bail if the include file is missing?23:49
knomeprobably.23:49
knomebut i'd guess you can just have an empty one.23:49
knomeso touch that and delete for non-translator-languages23:50
knomehmm, no.23:50
knomeboo23:50
Unit193Actually, I need to change that script to follow what I made translate.sh do.23:51
Unit193Oh, was I supposed to add my name as part of translate.sh's copyright header? :P23:51
knomeas you said, we probably don't run into problems with "no translators", because those won't be built23:52
knomebut you could just drop "No creditable translators" or sth23:53
knome(having an empty file fails the build, it expects to have some content...)23:53
knomei have a fancy idea.23:54
knomewhich would need more work23:54
knomebut we could create start-translator-credits.xml23:54
knomewhich would *only* have the starting paragraph23:54
knomewhich would be translatable.23:55
knomethen create the temp file, and *if* there was translators, include start-translator-credits.xml and list the translators.23:55
knomeotherwise, show empty content23:55
knomewhich would solve the problem for the default language23:56
knomeand no weird "these are the translators: none, haa-haa"23:56

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