[03:41] <Logan_> Noskcaj: you want https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/utopic/xfce4-eyes-plugin/4.4.2/+merge/221146 sponsored/
[03:41] <Logan_> sxsponsored/xsponsored?x
[06:07] <Unit193> elfy: Just the person I needed.  Sorry I didn't catch you earlier, had to visit the doc and crap.
[06:08] <elfy> such is life
[06:10] <Unit193> So I presumed with core testing, we'd want to get it in first so we can use tasksel from the mini ISO, or install the meta without adding any extra repos.  I made the merge request and ochosi kindly reminded me that I should confirm this is how you'd prefer to go about testing this (I was going to wait on getting something installable before contacting you.)
[06:12] <elfy> yea that sounds right to me
[06:12] <elfy> I would think the best way is 
[06:12] <elfy> 1 - get -core so tasksel sees it
[06:12] <elfy> 2 - do some double checks between us
[06:12] <elfy> 3 - let -testers know - those who are brave enough can then do it
[06:12] <elfy> 4 - I've still got people that might look elsewhere
[06:12] <elfy> does that make sense to you?
[06:13] <Unit193> All except 4, so sounds great and what I was aiming for.  Thanks!
[06:15] <elfy> \o/
[06:15] <Unit193> Oh, since ochosi isn't on IRC (connection problems), do you want to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu-seed/+merge/221149 or want me to make a comment/
[06:16] <elfy> I can - bit like asking a blind man to check your expenses though
[06:19] <elfy> Unit193: is that what I think it is - adding core in so it's available for tasksel?
[06:20] <Unit193> Also how the xubuntu-core metapackage is created.
[06:20] <elfy> ok
[06:21] <elfy> done
[06:22] <Unit193> Thanks!  Want me to hit up trello with the plan?
[06:23] <Unit193> elfy: Sorry to sound stupid, but suite b?
[06:24] <elfy> the testcases need to be checked before we call
[06:25] <elfy> I assume you're looking at the package testcase card with the checklist
[06:25] <elfy> 6 testcases to check over before we call
[06:28] <Unit193> No I wasn't, OK.
[06:28] <elfy> why did you mention it then?
[06:28] <Unit193> https://trello.com/c/kKLiedUe/15-suite-b-call saw it was due soon.
[06:29] <Unit193> (I got this, I know what's going on.)
[06:30] <elfy> woohoo
[06:30] <elfy> so people look and it works \o/
[06:31] <Unit193> elfy: Sorry, I cheated. :(
[06:31] <Unit193> xubutrello: due soon
[06:31] <xubutrello>   ->  1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[06:31] <elfy> yep - I guessed :)
[06:31] <elfy> still you looked
[06:31] <elfy> now you know also that the testcases need to be checked :p
[06:32] <Unit193> Right.  Isn't lls going to change?
[06:33] <elfy> it is - but atm it hasn't - so we can only go with what we have
[06:33] <elfy> if it changes after then we can always ask people to test *that* 
[06:33] <elfy> there's now a newer due date too :p
[06:34] <elfy> should make more sense with the previous one
[06:37] <Unit193> Mhmm, I see.
[10:06] <ochosi> elfy: i've been disconnected for a day or so, so i didn't see any reply wrt -core testing. i presume you +1-ing the merge request means that you wanna merge first, then test?
[10:07] <Unit193> Yes.
[10:08] <Unit193> ochosi: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/29/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[10:10] <gry> Hello. Skype, battery indicator, and goldendict go to 'indicator (unity)' applet. Notes and power indicator go to 'notification area' applet. Quassel icon goes nowhere. Would someone please package things properly and consistently? I am not using unity and do not need the 'indicator (unity)' applet.
[10:11] <gry> Where do I file bugs for that?
[10:19] <brainwash> gry: https://launchpad.net/
[10:23] <knome> ochosi, no
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> morning knome 
[10:25] <knome> hey slickymasterWork 
[10:44] <gry> brainwash: Bugs in what? In the packages which go to the wrong tray? And what application includes that 'indicator (unity)' applet - I think it shouldn't do that unless unity is installed?
[10:49] <brainwash> gry: you mean xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[10:50] <brainwash> if you don't want to use it, simply remove it from the panel
[22:54] <Unit193> knome: You're the assignee for "Attribute documentation translators" right? ;)  Can I just pass the short, proof of concept script I have and be done?
[22:54] <knome> of course you can ;)
[22:56] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PgGsQsa9qy4dslpNuY4Q/ two different options, I think you remember them.  It pulls the lists of contributors, though of course is a tad hacky.
[23:01] <knome> yep, looks good.
[23:02] <Unit193> I of course can't do the html hackage, but any more help needed on whichever method slickymaster chooses, and I think I can likely help.
[23:03] <knome> do we want to inject the credits after converting to html?
[23:04] <Unit193> Like in the startpage process?
[23:04] <knome> well, yeah...
[23:04] <knome> because the other option is to mess with the xml.
[23:05] <Unit193> I think html is a better bet, no?
[23:05] <knome> i don't prefer either way
[23:05] <Unit193> Unless you would rather somehow do an #include.
[23:05] <knome> hmmh
[23:05] <knome> that might be a good option
[23:05] <knome> but the include would need to be dynamic
[23:06] <knome> well, actually not
[23:06] <knome> because we could just be sneaky and change the same file to other content
[23:07] <Unit193> Or re-generate it and remove. :P
[23:07] <knome> well, that
[23:07] <knome> but practically the same, since the index file could be static
[23:09] <knome> hmm, this looks promising
[23:16] <knome> for some reason, the included file must have one wrapping element or the XML parsing will fail
[23:16] <knome> but we can overcome that.
[23:17] <knome> ...i think
[23:18] <knome> hmm...
[23:20] <knome> Unit193, http://paste.openstack.org/show/Ij9D2RgY1KB6Cb5XpG0Z/
[23:20] <knome> that's the markup we need
[23:20] <knome> not too hard, eh?
[23:21] <knome> then in index.xml, something like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/390DO9UEoWDKcGyOURTR/
[23:22] <knome> of course, it's a bit meh with the default language, because we can't revert the <para> so easily
[23:29] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/nVtJFesnc45w9aPj5Q1U/ there's the output.
[23:30] <knome> you need <itemizedlist> too
[23:30] <Unit193> Well yes, but that's the simple one.
[23:30] <knome> and we do not want the launchpad contibutors line.
[23:32] <Unit193> So, changed.  (Those were simple.)
[23:32] <knome> yeah
[23:32] <knome> that's the only thing we need from the included xml
[23:33] <knome> i'm also considering how we should word the <para>
[23:33] <knome> it might be a good idea to note that those people did not necessarily *translate* anything, but might have helped with the technical side or sth.
[23:33] <Unit193> Some output 'translator-credits', but no Language above the cutoff will do that.
[23:33] <Unit193> I don't get my name there anywhere. :(
[23:33] <Unit193> :P
[23:33] <knome> well the script could change that to "Unknown"
[23:34] <knome> what even creates that situation?
[23:34] <knome> only suggestions in LP?
[23:34] <knome> or things that need reviewing?
[23:34] <knome> because those aren't saved as translations in the .po files.
[23:34] <knome> which is... silly
[23:34] <knome> or they are fuzzy or something.
[23:34] <knome> i can't remember, it's too much time
[23:35] <knome> but there was something "meh" about it
[23:35] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/9IKKhGnExd2SjY0ZwrBw fixed!  Yeah, that's when there isn't any listed translators.
[23:35] <knome> d'oh!
[23:36] <knome> the start tag is without / ;)
[23:36] <Unit193> I know that. :P
[23:37] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/4VjQ9nQ0oApHx4mcSTbJ/ so that's really what it'd be.
[23:37] <knome> yyyyep
[23:37] <knome> that looks good.
[23:38] <knome> do you want to land the stuff in a branch?
[23:38] <knome> i can help with the missing bits, i sorted it out locally
[23:38] <Unit193> Are you really sure you want to commit something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/GCsmT8eQqgKMFcfd1lkw with so much sed? :P
[23:39] <knome> well,
[23:39] <knome> i don't know why sed would be so evil
[23:39] <knome> if it works for us
[23:39] <knome> i mostly just want this out.
[23:39] <knome> then, if people have suggestions how to improve it, do that.
[23:40] <Unit193> Want to drop the grep_creds, or fix it?
[23:40] <knome> but for now we don't have anything else, so either we put it out like this, and *have it*, or wait for somebody to come up with something "better", which might take a long time
[23:40] <knome> that just outputs?
[23:41] <Unit193> Right, it uses the grep feature rather than building then checking.  It's no faster, but may be cleaner.
[23:41] <knome> ah, right.
[23:41] <knome> i don't think i have a strong opinion
[23:41] <knome> fwiw, you can even leave it there
[23:41] <knome> if it's potentially helpful later
[23:42] <knome> just leave a note that it's not used
[23:44] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/niMrCLdTLtMhN2uO7YWA/ <<<
[23:44] <knome> looks good.
[23:44] <knome> what do you think about the placement of the translator credits?
[23:44] <knome> i was thinking after the documentation contributors, but before the contributors to the old docs
[23:45] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/ln-idp57636336.html Somewhere in here?
[23:45] <Unit193> Yep, exactly.
[23:45] <knome> yeah, then dump one of my pastes there
[23:45] <knome> and the next question:
[23:46] <knome> actually, nvm
[23:46] <knome> or, yeah...
[23:46] <knome> different POV:
[23:47] <knome> where do we need/want to create the temp xml file?
[23:48] <Unit193> Either the current working dir, desktop-guide/tmp/ or perhaps desktop-guide/libs/ ?
[23:48] <knome> current working dir is meh, because it's included related to the index.xml file.
[23:49] <knome> i was thinking libs, as long as it's cleaned and does not get copied to the installation :P
[23:49] <knome> tbh, it shouldn't matter too much where it is, again as long as it doesn't get left in the installation
[23:49] <Unit193> So here's the problem, does the build bail if the include file is missing?
[23:49] <knome> probably.
[23:49] <knome> but i'd guess you can just have an empty one.
[23:50] <knome> so touch that and delete for non-translator-languages
[23:50] <knome> hmm, no.
[23:50] <knome> boo
[23:51] <Unit193> Actually, I need to change that script to follow what I made translate.sh do.
[23:51] <Unit193> Oh, was I supposed to add my name as part of translate.sh's copyright header? :P
[23:52] <knome> as you said, we probably don't run into problems with "no translators", because those won't be built
[23:53] <knome> but you could just drop "No creditable translators" or sth
[23:53] <knome> (having an empty file fails the build, it expects to have some content...)
[23:54] <knome> i have a fancy idea.
[23:54] <knome> which would need more work
[23:54] <knome> but we could create start-translator-credits.xml
[23:54] <knome> which would *only* have the starting paragraph
[23:55] <knome> which would be translatable.
[23:55] <knome> then create the temp file, and *if* there was translators, include start-translator-credits.xml and list the translators.
[23:55] <knome> otherwise, show empty content
[23:56] <knome> which would solve the problem for the default language
[23:56] <knome> and no weird "these are the translators: none, haa-haa"