[01:09] <rcw2> can i make the panel not instantly appear on hover
[01:09] <rcw2> maybe 3 seconds of hover
[01:09] <rcw2> instead
[01:15] <DesignerX> hi, is it only Ubuntu/kubuntu that mounts media/  under a "UISER/" folder ? IO get  /media/UserName/DeviceName  where in  Linux Mint KDE I get  Media/DeviceName
[01:15] <DesignerX> (Kubuntu 14 LTS VS  LinuxMint15)
[02:02] <rcw2> how do i add the install directory as a "local repository" in muon
[02:03] <DarthFrog> !ask | rcw2
[02:03] <DarthFrog> !patience | rcw2
[02:45] <rcw2> any docs for installing openoffice in kubuntu using the deb format
[02:47] <valorie> rcw2: why not just from our packages?
[02:47] <valorie> deb is always a last resort
[02:47] <valorie> !info openoffice
[02:48] <valorie> !info libreoffice
[02:48] <rcw2> nothing for trust, so must use deb then?
[02:48] <rcw2> trusty*
[02:49] <valorie> are you saying you want openoffice not libreoffice?
[02:49] <valorie> afaik openoffice is not really being developed any more
[02:49] <rcw2> valorie, i was trying to use libreoffice, but it's full of bugs
[02:50] <valorie> !deb
[02:50] <rcw2> openoffice is looking for dependencies
[02:50] <valorie> if you try that and openoffice is indeed better, please tell us that
[02:50] <rcw2> how can i resolve them
[02:51] <rcw2> tell you here?
[02:51] <valorie> I suppose install the dependencies.....
[02:51] <valorie> gdebi should do that, afaik
[02:53] <rcw2> gdebi should know what they are?  is there a tutorial for this process?
[02:55] <valorie> rcw2: I imagine so
[02:56] <valorie> if you had libreoffice installed though, I would think you would have most of the dependencies already
[02:56] <valorie> they are rather recent forks
[02:56] <valorie> although as I said, OO.o is almost if not entirely unmaintained
[02:56] <valorie> afaik
[02:57] <Unit193> Apache has it, actually.
[02:58] <valorie> sad, I wish they would recombine
[03:06] <rcw2> i purged libreoffice already
[03:06] <rcw2> i apt-got gdebi but its not gui?
[03:07] <rcw2> in the help list i don't see a way to tell it to capture dependencies
[03:09] <rcw2> this tutorial says it should auto search http://www.debian-tutorials.com/how-to-easy-install-deb-files-plus-dependencies-using-gdebi
[03:09] <rcw2> but it says Dependency is not satisfiable: openoffice-ure
[03:09] <rcw2> and doesnt search for it
[03:21] <valorie> pfff
[03:29] <maysara> Hello, I've installed Kubuntu 14.04 using bootable usb but now I can't format it
[03:29] <valorie> can't format what, maysara?
[03:30] <maysara> valorie: the usb drive
[03:32] <valorie> you want to format it so you can use it for something else?
[03:32] <maysara> yep
[03:32] <valorie> so once you have booted into your new Kubuntu, and then you plug it in, what happens?
[03:33] <valorie> how do you try to format it?
[03:33] <maysara> using kde partition manager. and I get error every time
[03:33] <valorie> !format | maysara
[03:34] <valorie> I know that there was a bug for awhile
[03:34] <valorie> have you done upgrades since installing?
[03:34] <maysara> yep, many
[03:37] <maysara> this is what I get when I try to format
[03:37] <maysara> http://paste.kde.org/pabo8ton0
[03:38] <maysara> I even tried to delete the files manually from the file manager but I couldn't
[03:41] <valorie> looks like I pinged out for a min
[03:41] <valorie> have you tried using gparted?
[03:41] <maysara> no, I'll try
[03:43] <valorie> rcw2: you disappeared earlier
[03:43] <rcw2> valorie, i rebooted... ended up reinstalling libreoffice.  going to see how this goes
[03:44] <valorie> rcw2: please file bugs when you find them
[03:45] <rcw2> will attempt to
[03:46] <valorie> some folks feel like reporting bugs is complaining
[03:46] <valorie> but really, it is a contribution
[03:46] <valorie> the more information supplied, the more it helps the devels to fix the bugs
[03:46] <rcw2> it seems worth while, but it is time consuming
[03:47] <valorie> it can be, for sure
[03:48] <valorie> this last round I started using `ubuntu-bug` from the cli while running the beta of 14.04
[03:48] <valorie> makes the bug reporting process super-easy
[03:49] <valorie> back in a bit
[03:49] <rcw2> thanks for mentioning... going to make a note of it
[03:50] <rcw2> logging off... goodnight!
[07:57] <rethus> after last update (yesterday) most of KDE is english, (normaly german was before)
[07:58] <rethus> I have looked in the system settings, but there the language is set to german
[07:59] <rethus> but the tab "country" not have german, but only "System Country" and " Default"
[07:59] <rethus> can somebody help me to got the system back to german language?
[08:19] <user____> hi all
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:00] <rharish> Good morning ^
[09:01] <lordievader> Hey rharish, how are you?
[09:01] <rharish> I'm good :) how are things over there ?
[09:02] <lordievader> Doing good over here.
[09:02] <rharish> pretty much the same here :P. I've got my kubuntu 14.04 booting and working fine now. Unable to boot into windows
[09:02] <rharish> but that's not too much to bother about :P
[09:03] <lordievader> rharish: Is the Windows bootmanager broken?
[09:04] <rharish> I do not know. Grub shows the option to boot into Windows. but when I choose it, it doesn't boot
[09:04] <rharish> :(
[09:04] <rharish> gives me an error which I can't remember
[09:05] <lordievader> Hmm, that is too bad.
[09:06] <rharish> I mean, I'll have to reboot and check it to tell you the error :P
[09:06] <rharish> I'll note it the next time I boot
[09:07] <rharish> thanks anyways ;)
[09:57] <SomeE> does kubuntu 14.04 work on a macbook 9.2?
[10:04] <JoWie> my "panel settings" is broken when using a panel on a second screen, is this a known bug?
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:39] <SomeE> so is there even anyone active here?
[10:42] <BluesKaj> SomeE, ask a question and find out :)
[10:42] <lordievader> Shh, don't awake the idlers!
[10:43] <SomeE> then i ask again is there any issues with kubuntu and a macbookpro 9.2(mid-2012)
[13:49] <rcw2> hi, the output levels in kmix are all maxed out, but the speakers can output more.  how can i troubleshoot this
[13:53] <BluesKaj> rcw2, pavucontrol has a volume ctrl that does 200% I think
[14:00] <BluesKaj> rcw2, you may overload your speaker inputs tho
[14:02] <rcw2> thanks
[14:10] <TheFakeazneD525> Blargh
[14:10] <TheFakeazneD525> I need a screen recorder for X
[14:13] <genii> VLC isn't bad.
[14:15] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: you can record the screen with vlc?
[14:15] <cups> ffmpeg?
[14:16] <genii> TheFakeazneD525: Yep
[14:17] <rberg_> you can record the screen with ffmpeg
[14:18] <TheFakeazneD525> I've tried, but it didn't work those times :c
[14:18] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: how to save the file though
[14:20] <genii> TheFakeazneD525: Use Convert/Save and put a filename. Then for capture device select desktop
[14:20] <rberg_> ohh right there is no ffmpeg on ubuntu
[14:20] <genii> rberg_: It was deprecated in favour of avconv
[14:21] <genii> ( But, it's still available in repos just not officially maintained anymore)
[14:22] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: you are a lifesaver
[14:22] <shadeslayer> TheFakeazneD525: I'd say get vokoscreen
[14:22] <TheFakeazneD525> I gotta make a video about how to not violate the school's laptop policy
[14:22] <TheFakeazneD525> incedentally, I've violated every rule
[14:22] <TheFakeazneD525> save cyberbullying
[14:25] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: it works \o/
[14:27] <genii> TheFakeazneD525: Yeah, here's an old video I made I think on Saucy, with it before: http://youtu.be/uRqNtx3DtXo
[14:33] <TheFakeazneD525> Kool
[14:51] <shattingduck> hello
[15:14] <nseris> hello
[15:31] <suap_> women is plural
[15:31] <suap_> there is no womens
[15:32] <Yegor> how to stop kde desctop
[15:32] <Yegor> ?
[15:33] <rberg_> from the cli? 'service lightdm stop'
[15:34] <suap_> CTRL+ALT+F1, login, enter command as root: service kdm stop
[15:34] <suap_> or just kdm stop
[15:35] <rberg_> whoops I thought everything used lightdm now
[15:36] <rberg_> no lightdm is listed in the kubuntu manifest not kdm
[15:37] <suap_> ? i use kdm with ubunt, its called kubuntu ??
[15:37] <suap_> which manifest?
[15:38] <suap_> i am not so experienced with irc, can someone tell me how to connect to kubuntu-de?
[15:39] <rberg_> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[16:15] <keithzg_> Arghh, these constant crashes are driving me crazy. I'd actually prefer it was on my home machines; having kernel panics on my work desktop is *extremely* unfortunate :(
[16:19] <keithzg_> Anyone have any idea what could be causing crashes like https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4nMjWeofiio/U4isWvAbYGI/AAAAAAAAFnc/cfmJu5n4Ask/w1375-h774-no/IMG_20140530_100533864.jpg ? Although I get slightly different panics/faults each time it seems.
[16:25] <genii> keithzg_: Have you run a memtest on it?
[16:25] <shattingduck> suap: you still there?
[16:25] <shattingduck> suap_: you still there?
[16:26] <keithzg_> genii: Oh believe me, that was the first thing I did when it happened more than once, ran the tests for over an hour and no faults were found.
[16:28] <keithzg_> That would've been so easy, just buy some more RAM and be done with.
[16:39] <genii> keithzg_: I know that many MSI boards have ACPI issues with linux. Might want to try tinkering with some boot options like maybe acpi=  and try different values like off/noirq/strict  or so on
[16:41] <keithzg_> genii: This is an ASUS Intel-based board, but sure, perhaps. ACPI is kindof the devil anyways. My main confusion is that this wasn't the case some time ago (been using the same hardware for two years or so now).
[16:45] <genii> If it's Asus, why in the message there does it say "MSI MS-7788/H61M-P31 (G3)  (MS-7788), BIOS V2.4 04/17/2012"   ?
[16:45] <keithzg_> d'oh
[16:45] <keithzg_> heh you caught me, I was remembering wrong
[16:45] <genii> Or is this just some random screenshot of a generic kernel panic? ;)
[16:46] <keithzg_> I cheaped out on the build of my own PC since it was right after I got to this company, didn't feel like I could demand more for myself since I was already kindof demanding I get to build myself a new computer and run Linux instead of Windows, heh.
[16:47] <keithzg_> Every subsequent build, and two before that, have been ASUS.
[16:47] <genii> keithzg_: Ah, OK. Yeah, at any rate, I'd try tinkering with the acpi options on kernel load line.
[16:48] <genii> Asus almost always work out-of-the-box :)
[16:49] <keithzg_> genii: Yeah, it's why they've kept my loyalty over all these years, heh.  I'm definitely going to try fiddling with ACPI kernel options, very good suggestion. I also noticed that the firmware on the SSD is woefully out of date, *and* that was a part I more recently installed, so a prime suspect there too.
[16:49] <keithzg_> Time to reboot into a SystemRescueCD usb for a full backup first, though, gonna be ultra-paranoid instead of cowboy, for once ;)
[16:50] <genii> keithzg_: Might also want to experiment to see if it's doing it only from certain shutdown states like hibernate. Some boards can boot no prob from cold but choke hard on suspend and hibernate
[16:51] <genii> would help narrow down the issue
[16:51] <keithzg_> genii: In theory I've disabled all hibernate and suspend and such, I want this PC either running or off!
[16:52] <genii> So acpi=off might be first to try
[16:53] <genii> Can't recall if it's a synonym for noacpi but maybe
[16:53] <keithzg_> I thought the other, confusingly similar option was "noapic"?
[16:53] <genii> apic an acpi are different
[16:54] <keithzg_> I know, I meant similarly named, but I wasn't sure that noacpi was actually an option.
[16:54] <genii> Yay, lunch arrived!
[16:54] <keithzg_> Good plan...
[16:54] <rberg_> I would take a look at /proc/interrupts is there a lot of sharing going on?
[16:56] <rberg_> I had a issue with my network card , sata controller, and com port sharing interrupts.. this caused kernel panics with a similar message when doing lots of network and disk io
[16:56] <rberg_> I disabled the comport and passed a kernel cmd to force msix for my network adapter and that solved the panics for me
[16:57] <genii> I miss the old days of manually setting interrupts with jumpers...
[16:57] <rberg_> or dip switches? I do not miss that :)
[16:58] <keithzg_> rberg_: Hmmm interesting. I don't *think* there's any shared interrupts, other than one duplicate PCIe-related one from what I see: http://paste.kde.org/p38djzpkl
[16:58] <genii> rberg_: Always used to be issues with irq 3/4 on those com ports that interfered with modems, so I didn't mind setting them manually
[16:59] <rberg_> all my co-workers were like 'what year is it?! and you are talking about interrupts?"
[16:59] <keithzg_> Heh I only *barely* had to set interrupts with jumpers in some rare cases, but I definitely remember having to set them manually in *software* a lot
[17:00] <keithzg_> rberg_: Yeah that was exactly my first reaction when you mentioned interrupts, I flashed back to 1998 when I thought "finally, I'm done with them!"
[17:00] <genii> rberg_: Hehe
[17:02] <keithzg_> Uhhh....wait. acpi=off isn't going to help me, clearly.
[17:02] <keithzg_> ...since aparently I already did that at some point long enough ago that I've forgotten, heh.
[17:02] <keithzg_> cat /proc/commandline: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-27-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=c7fd02cd-d83b-4967-b827-bf218d7c2555 ro acpi=off
[17:06] <keithzg_> genii: Do you think there's any hope of anything *less* than outright acpi=off helping? Stabbing in the dark, I know...
[17:11] <genii> keithzg_: Maybe a newer BIOS if one's available
[17:13] <genii> keithzg_: I know that the hackintosh people had major issues getting power management working properly on MSI and someone eventually just did their own BIOS mod
[17:14] <keithzg_> genii: There does seem to be newer ones...yeahhh, MSI, quite the pain. Heh on their firmware download page, they link to their bios flashing instructions, http://www.msi.com/service/biosflash/
[17:14] <keithzg_> ...which is a 404.
[17:15] <keithzg_> Clearly, the mark of quality and care ;)
[17:20] <genii> keithzg: Does it still have Windows on it someplace?
[17:22] <keithzg-n9> genii: never did, built it from parts as it now is, but apparently the 'bios' can flash itself. Just gotta get the image file sitting on a FAT-formatted drive, piece of cake.
[17:22] <genii> keithzg: http://ca.msi.com/page/biosupdate  seems vaguely useful
[17:26] <keithzg-n9> genii: yeah, would've been a decent fallback, luckily in this brave new UEFI world the 'BIOS' (they keep using this word; I do not think they know what it means) was indeed able to successfully update from the flashing image I put bare on a FAT32-formatted usb drive.
[17:28] <keithzg-n9> Now I reboot and wait to see if it eventually panics...
[17:39] <rburgosnavas> hi there, wondering if anyone is up for a question
[17:40] <BluesKaj> rburgosnavas, ask and you'll find out :)
[17:40] <rburgosnavas> :)
[17:41] <rburgosnavas> Ever since I upgraded to 14.04, I keep getting 2 login screens at start up, and after unlocking
[17:42] <rburgosnavas> one screens uses the default theme and the other a custom theme with a background image I selected
[17:43] <rburgosnavas> anyway, i have to enter my password twice every single time. kind of annoying but nothing to get a migrane about
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ok what about the desktop, is it always the same
[17:45] <rburgosnavas> the desktop is always the same
[17:47] <BluesKaj> and this is 14.04 kubuntu exclusively, no other DE's like unity or gnome in the login options?
[17:48] <rburgosnavas> I haven't tried in other environments, but that's a good point
[17:50] <BluesKaj> what about your partitioning , / and /home separate or just one partition for the whole OS?
[17:58] <rburgosnavas> separate
[18:03] <BluesKaj> what does system settings>login screen show? you may have chosen one as another user, hence the 2 logins
[18:04] <keithzg_> rburgosnavas: You don't happen to have both lightdm and kdm installed? I've never heard of them being able to stack like that, but...
[18:04] <rburgosnavas> hmmm
[18:05] <rburgosnavas> I have lightdm, but how do I check if kdm is installed?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> keithzg_, I thought that at first but lightdm will remove kdm during the install afaik
[18:05] <rburgosnavas> kdm is not installed
[18:05] <keithzg_> BluesKaj: Naw, they just disable eachother, in theory. Trust me, I've swapped back and forth to try and solve issues before, heh
[18:05] <keithzg_> Yeah, didn't seem likely, but I figured it was worth a check.
[18:06]  * BluesKaj thinks rburgosnavas is logging as 2 users
[18:06]  * keithzg_ once had four display managers installed, because he is a crazy person
[18:07] <rburgosnavas> you know what? i tried to do a reset in the Login Screen (LightDM) window, and when I got the prompt to enter root password, I saw two of me listed in the menu!
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yup, zs I suspected
[18:10] <BluesKaj> az
[18:11] <BluesKaj> or is it as :)
[18:12] <rburgosnavas> haha
[18:16] <rburgosnavas> doing 'cat /etc/passwd' only shows one of me
[18:19] <keithzg_> rburgosnavas: Another stab in the dark (my specialty!), try "getent passwd" instead.
[18:21] <rburgosnavas> same
[18:36] <keithzg_> rburgosnavas: Might just want to reset your lightdm settings entirely and see if that solves it.
[18:37] <rburgosnavas> I'm trying this out atm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/polkit-kde-1/+bug/1037028
[18:37] <rburgosnavas> but yes, I'll look into resetting LightDM
[18:38] <keithzg_> Hmm, polkit being the culprit also sounds likely. It IS a Red Hat, not-very-UNIX-y kindof thing after all :P
[18:40] <keithzg_> Although polkit shouldn't be affecting *logins*, I wouldn't think.
[18:41] <rburgosnavas> ok, well I got rid of the duplication. But I still get the two login screens
[18:41] <rburgosnavas> ok, on to doing the "reset LightDM" research
[18:50] <rburgosnavas> (Learning a lot here) I have GDM and LightDM installed. Can I safely remove GDM to see if this fixes things?
[18:57] <keithzg_> Yuuuuuup.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> gdm is the old greeter for ubuntu
[18:58] <keithzg_> If you only have KDE installed it's definitely not an issue. If you have other desktop environments it *might* be, but LightDM can handle pretty much any of them AFAIK (never tried it with GNOME 3.0, admittedly)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> rburgosnavas, you must have migrated from ubuntu at one point
[18:59] <rburgosnavas> yes
[18:59] <BluesKaj> lightdm is default for all flavours afaik
[18:59] <rburgosnavas> Ubuntu -> KDE
[18:59] <robotdevil> anyone know how to recompile kio_smb
[19:01] <BluesKaj> why compile smb ? , smbclient is installed by default
[19:02] <robotdevil> speed boost
[19:03] <BluesKaj> really, what makes you think recompiling will speed things up?
[19:03] <robotdevil> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291835
[19:03] <robotdevil> comment 2
[19:04] <BluesKaj> robotdevil, whynot use scp/ssh?
[19:04] <robotdevil> comment 13
[19:04] <robotdevil> lan
[19:05] <robotdevil> unnecessary I guess, would like to be able to access nicely from dolphin
[19:06] <robotdevil> other would like to use to use it as well, not gonna get them to learn scp
[19:35] <keithzg_> robotdevil: sftp works fine from Dolphin
[19:35] <keithzg_> (is essentially ssh)
[19:36] <keithzg_> Hell, as long as you have openssh-server installed on the computer that's all you need. If you can ssh in remotely, you can sftp://computername remotely too.
[19:37] <keithzg_> Oh wait, he's gone? Huh. Gotta be more patient than *that* to get help, I'd say.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> keithzg_, agreed, but he left
[19:38] <BluesKaj> he didn't want his cohorts to learn scp/ssh, a gui is obviously easier in his mind
[19:40] <keithzg_> But he didn't even stick around long enough to learn that there were other options still within the GUI world! He just read scp/ssh and ran away I guess. Le sigh.
[19:40]  * keithzg_ is addicted to rsync, personally
[19:42] <genii> keithzg: Still getting random crashes?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> well I'm not "on the job" so the need for speed isn't a requirement, since I merely transfer files to my desktop media server or the wife's windows pc
[19:43] <keithzg_> genii: Not since the motherboard firmware update, so, fingers crossed...the real tell will be when I leave it on over the weekend, but it's looking good so far.
[19:43] <genii> Cool
[19:43] <BluesKaj> keithzg_, yeah rsync is neat as well
[19:47] <BluesKaj> someone at another chat told robo to recompile smb-kio which according to the url he posted is supposed increase file transfer speeds by 50-100%
[19:47] <ikonia> that can't be real.....
[19:49] <TheFakeazneD525> Sounds fishy to me
[19:49] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291835
[19:50] <TheFakeazneD525> Anyone use Konqueror for internet browsing?
[19:50] <ikonia> ahh, it's the patch
[19:50] <ikonia> not the recompile
[19:50] <BluesKaj> not any more
[19:51] <BluesKaj> TheFakeazneD525,^
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> BluesKaj: not even with the webkit plugin?
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> (just curious btw)
[19:51] <keithzg_> I still use it from time to time, usually with WebKit as the renderer.
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[19:51] <BluesKaj> TheFakeazneD525, confess i haven't given it any thought
[19:52] <TheFakeazneD525> say, does QtWebKit use system css on websites?
[19:52] <TheFakeazneD525> because I often see the ubuntu font or system colors being used on sites
[19:52] <keithzg_> I think that's just the good ol' "if they don't specify, use the defaults".
[19:52] <TheFakeazneD525> Ahh
[19:53] <TheFakeazneD525> personally  I like that feature
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I used konqueror as a browser back around '08
[19:53] <TheFakeazneD525> the more unified look, the better :3
[19:53] <keithzg_> I agree
[19:54] <BluesKaj> i found konqueror a lot of work to setup to my liking compared to other browsers like FF
[19:55] <keithzg_> I gave up on Firefox when I discovered Konqueror, heh.
[19:55] <BluesKaj> yeah keithzg_ I did same back in '08
[19:56] <TheFakeazneD525> mm, konqueror is good if you do a lot of work with files
[19:56] <TheFakeazneD525> both local and on the net
[19:56] <TheFakeazneD525> just one split view of your FS, and one for internet
[19:56] <TheFakeazneD525> <3
[19:56] <TheFakeazneD525> but I mostly use rekonq
[19:56] <keithzg_> Still burns me that Dolphin failed to adopt a lot of Konqueror's features. Never got the ability to embed stuff like Filelight, for example.
[19:57] <TheFakeazneD525> <3 filelight
[19:59] <BluesKaj> well, BBL, gotta make some calls
[21:17] <billy_> Hallo.. I intend to to upgrade kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 using the command "u-devel-release-upgrade". Is there anything that i must pay attension before i use it ??
[21:19] <billy_> I checked and there is updated the current version (12.04). Anythink else..??
[21:21] <robotdevil> if it were me, and I have no expertise on it, I would roll back to a non properitary video driver first (may cause you more problems thou) and I would switch back to default themes, and that might have no merit but thats what i would do
[21:22] <robotdevil> but I probably wouldnt upgrade either
[21:23] <billy_> ??  :O
[21:23] <robotdevil> fresh installs always are better but are a lot of work in some cases
[21:24] <robotdevil> maybe make a backup first
[21:27] <robotdevil> is that the correct command too, I seem to remember it being something else, but my memories are dated to say the least
[21:28] <billy_> I suppose that Firefox's History & Knotes for example,  will be not be affected (in normal case..)
[21:31] <billy_> Any other opinion or thoughts pleeeease..??..??
[21:33] <valorie> I upgraded with no problems, billy
[21:34] <valorie> best to remove any PPAs though
[21:34] <valorie> a few people had problems when they weren't correctly autoremoved
[21:35] <valorie> also, you don't want devel-release-upgrade
[21:35] <valorie> just do-release-upgrade now
[21:35] <ikonia> valorie: will that work for 12.04 -> 14.04 ?
[21:35] <valorie> devel-release is now 14.10
[21:36] <valorie> should, but let me look up our page about how to do it
[21:36] <robotdevil> thats the command I was thinking of
[21:36] <ikonia> valorie: ubuntu won't do it currently until 14.04.1
[21:36] <ikonia> valorie: curious to if the kubuntu system hits the same problem
[21:36] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[21:37] <valorie> ah, it shows: kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[21:37] <valorie> I did all this back in the beta1
[21:37] <ikonia> it's s total shambles
[21:37] <robotdevil> best not to rush an upgrade cause you'll always think of something after
[21:37] <ikonia> upgrade to a development release for a stable LTS releae.
[21:38] <valorie> ikonia, imo most people don't need LTS
[21:38] <valorie> that is for businesses and such
[21:38] <valorie> servers
[21:38] <ikonia> valorie: couldn't disagree less, more so with the crazy rolling platform now fast approaching
[21:39] <valorie> but for those who like stability, it is there
[21:39] <ikonia> or disagree more, I should say
[21:39] <robotdevil> right
[21:39] <ikonia> either way, it's a total shambles/joke that you have to do a development upgrade to get to a stable release.
[21:39] <valorie> do-release-upgrade should work
[21:39] <valorie> as you say
[21:39] <valorie> afaik, it does work
[21:40] <ikonia> if it's the same as ubuntu it won't find the 14.04 release
[21:40] <robotdevil> I thought you could lts to lts
[21:40] <ikonia> but I'm curious to if kubuntu does it differently
[21:41] <ikonia> robotdevil: you can, but for some reason canonical appears to have blocked 12.04 -> 14.04 until 14.04.1 is released
[21:41] <billy_> ..;) I Think that this is the "correct" command.. Right..??    kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[21:41] <valorie> you are correct that it is at .1 release that users are prompted by the gui for an upgrade
[21:41] <valorie> billy_: yes
[21:41] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[21:42] <robotdevil> well likely for good reason, if you have no reason to upgrade besides itchiness wait for 14.04.1
[21:42] <billy_> and what about Firefox's open tabs & History..or Knotes  .. notes.. I Hope they normally won't .. dissapear..
[21:42] <valorie> the best advice is always to make a backup before upgrading
[21:43] <valorie> in the case of FF there is a plugin for that, I believe
[21:43] <valorie> for knotes, perhaps you'll find the files in ~/.kde/share/apps
[21:43] <robotdevil> go to /home and use your file manager to show hidden files and make a backup of all the hidden files somewhere, you other notes should be saved in plain sight (and be fine)
[21:43] <valorie> find the notes, and make a backup
[21:45] <robotdevil> if you backup those hidden files you always have something to go back too, and doesnt take as long a regular backup, not that you shouldnt anyway
[21:47] <robotdevil>  I usually try to wait for a X.X.X release before even doing a fresh install
[21:51] <billy_> Thunks for the advices  .. Valorie .. robotangel;) ... & ikonia ..
[21:52] <billy_> I passed 13.04  .. I can wait for the next x.x.1  ;)
[21:52] <valorie> you are most welcome; come back anytime and ask for help, billy_
[21:52] <billy_> What "Regular" backup programm do u use..??  I haven't checked for 6 months maybe.. but then.. i couldn't find somethink trustworth.. Any proposition for a backup prgrm  ??
[21:52] <valorie> I use rsync
[21:53] <valorie> linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/04/rsync-level-expert.html and linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/03/rsync-and-backup-success.html for more
[21:53] <valorie> !rsync
[21:54] <valorie> once you get your commands set up just the way you like them, you can even script it
[21:54] <valorie> I don't
[21:54] <valorie> just copy/paste
[21:54] <valorie> backup drives are getting bigger and cheaper all the tiem
[21:54] <valorie> time
[21:55] <billy_> Even for the System Files..??..??  Copy-Paste the hole HD u mean..   ??  ??
[21:55] <qdata> My primary drive is SSD and secondary drive is 750Gb mechanical. I have OS installed on /dev/sda1 and boot from a parted magic CD and utilize Clonezilla to store a backup image of /dev/sda1 on the big drive; this way I can always roll back to a 'known good' if some update or other change goes bad
[21:56] <valorie> no, I mean copy/paste the rsync commands
[21:57] <valorie> I never back up system files, no
[21:57] <valorie> but if you need a really stable system, it sounds like qdata has it covered
[21:58] <valorie> I've heard a lot of good stuff about clonezilla
[21:58] <valorie> sec
[21:59] <billy_> ..
[22:08] <billy_> valorie .. u r checking out something , i think  ..??..??
[22:09] <valorie> I put the links up there for you, billy_
[22:09] <valorie> my blog, and the ubuntu rsync page
[22:16] <billy_> You mean at the top .. i think.. Your blog is the ubotty  ??  ??
[22:17] <billy_> I don't se at the top the rsync page ..
[22:18] <billy_> ???
[22:18] <billy_> Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.kde.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl | Kubuntu 14.04 LTS is out! http://goo.gl/jQFdZJ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also!)
[22:18] <billy_> Is one of them.. u mean..??..??
[22:20] <billy_> Where did u put the links Valorie ??  ( i'am sorry ..)
[22:23] <valorie> billy_: linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/04/rsync-level-expert.html and linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/03/rsync-and-backup-success.html for more
[22:23] <valorie> !rsync | billy_
[22:41] <billy_> Thunk u for your time... Every one & each of u ..;)  With my systems Delay..
[22:42] <keithzg_> genii: For the record, I stepped away from my computer and it hung again while I was gone (no display this time, so no kernel message). I've now updated the firmware on the SSD, we'll see if *that* works but then I'm outta guesses.
[22:43] <genii> keithzg: I'll be back Monday, we could try more tinkerings then.
[22:47] <keithzg_> genii: Sounds good, thanks a ton
[22:47] <genii> np
[22:48] <genii> Beer time now :)
[22:51] <keithzg_> :)
[23:42] <minterior> hi!
[23:43] <minterior> I would like to create several encrypted folders mounted as ecryptfs on a different partition than /home. I got it with sudo, but I would like to know if can be accomplished without sudo on login time, the same way as K/Ubuntu does with encrypted user home directories. Is it possible? Is there any guide to follow? Thank you in advance!
[23:44] <valorie> !ecryptfs
[23:44] <valorie> hmmm
[23:44] <valorie> !encrypt
[23:44] <valorie> minterior: ^^^
[23:47] <KinasisDrummer> Does anybody here use the Kdbg GUI/front-end for gdb?
[23:48] <valorie> huh, I've never heard of it
[23:48] <KinasisDrummer> I just installed it on Kubuntu 14.04 and it appears to be broken! :/ Not sure what to do to fix it!
[23:48] <valorie> I just always run it in the cli
[23:48] <valorie> KinasisDrummer: please ask in #kde - presuming it is a KDE project
[23:48] <KinasisDrummer> Me too, but figured I'd give it a shot
[23:48] <valorie> not sure, since I've never heard of it
[23:48] <KinasisDrummer> OK, will do
[23:49] <valorie> !info kdbg
[23:49] <valorie> we supply it, I guess
[23:50] <KinasisDrummer> running it via the menu does nothing, but running from the CLI gives the following message (many times) before it finally dies:
[23:51] <KinasisDrummer> MNG error 11: Function is invalid at this point; chunk MHDR; subcode 0:0
[23:51] <valorie> yowza
[23:51] <valorie> I've never seen that one
[23:51] <KinasisDrummer> Looks like its a problem with libmng - at a guess!
[23:52] <valorie> maybe they'll send you to #kde-devel, but start with #kde
[23:52] <valorie> although it is night in Germany, so could be slow
[23:52] <valorie> oops, and dinner time here.....
[23:52] <KinasisDrummer> OK, I'll ask there! Perhaps I'll leave it for the morning!
[23:54] <KinasisDrummer> Thanks Valorie and Ubottu!
[23:54] <minterior> valorie: I am already on #ecryptfs OFTC irc channel but nobody talk :(
[23:58] <minterior> ubottu: thank you but I had already read that guide, but only talks about ~/Private directory not a custom one
[23:58] <minterior> xD
[23:58] <minterior> !encrypt