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mappshey all05:48
mappsmorning05:48
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MooDoomorning06:20
mappsmorning MooDoo06:21
MooDooam I blind or has there been nothing from sabdfl re jono leaving canonical?  would of thought there would be a blog post or something.06:46
Myrttiwell, we might see something today06:54
Myrttior Monday06:54
Myrttiday is still early06:54
Myrttiand young06:54
MooDooYeah I suppose07:00
Myrttihe encircled me on Google+ earlier, I just went What the, what have I done wrong now07:03
MooDoolol :D07:08
MooDoohave you been naughty Myrtti07:10
Myrttiyeah, I've left all Ubuntu IRC channel bar this07:10
MooDooMyrtti: how come?07:11
Myrttineed to distance myself for a while lest I rip peoples heads off07:11
MooDoooh no :(07:12
Myrttithis channel is nice and mellow with very few trolls at all so I don't mind being here07:12
MooDooI understand07:12
TheOpenSourcererAnd we talk about food mainly ;-)07:30
MooDoochiili07:34
TheOpenSourcerer+107:35
TheOpenSourcererhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L5W8lDEU4Cs/U4dnA4qDuII/AAAAAAAAQxs/Xh8HDjt04Rc/w654-h872-no/20140529_174328.jpg << A Pink Tiger about to flower07:36
MooDoo:)07:36
MyrttiI took some piccies of ours yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/07:38
TheOpenSourcererCool.07:38
TheOpenSourcererWhy has everyone else got ripe pods except me :-(07:38
MooDooooo they are looking good Myrtti07:38
TheOpenSourcererLemon Drop is a lovely chilli. C.Baccatum07:39
MyrttiI didn't pick the chilies :-D07:42
MyrttiI picked tomatoes and the courgette07:42
TheOpenSourcererMy Polytunnel as of the 23rd May: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tdBOuaC7FwM/U4CRfai9AZI/AAAAAAAAQZE/NK4G--wOwCE/w1162-h872-no/20140523_174632.jpg07:43
Myrttiwe started small07:43
TheOpenSourcererSo did I.07:43
TheOpenSourcererBut it's addictive...07:43
Myrttithis is the first summer I'm planning to spend in UK for the whole time bar a week in August07:43
TheOpenSourcererNext year I will probably need ~3000'ft of commercial glasshouse07:44
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer's Chilli Company LTD :)07:44
TheOpenSourcererlol07:44
Myrttinext year I'll buy another of those Hozelock boxes07:44
MooDooBuy our chillies they are magic :)07:44
TheOpenSourcererYou can be in charge of marketing MooDoo07:45
Myrttior two more07:45
Myrttione for courgette, one for tomatoes, one for chillies07:45
Myrtticourgette is such a nice veg when it's grilled proper07:46
TheOpenSourcererCourgettes will do better in the ground - the plant will grow *very* large07:46
TheOpenSourcererspreads out over the floor07:46
Myrttimarinated and grilled for 10 minutes on both sides07:47
Myrttimmmm.07:47
davmor2Morning all08:06
bashrcmorning08:06
popeyToday I re-discovered that I have about 20 "work" shirts in my cupboard that I haven't worn for 2.5 years, since I worked in an office.08:19
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loomis Day! :-D08:22
SuperMattI haven't work workshirts for about 2 years too, but I have to admit its so much nicer08:22
SuperMattwherever I work after the rack, I'm probably not going to allow myself to dress so stuffily08:22
MooDooSuperMatt: isn't rackspace a casual place?  ie jeans and a t?08:24
MooDooI've been here 8 years and do sometimes prefer to wear a shirt, although it's only a casual one.08:25
MooDooI suppose they would frown if I wore my Managers suck tshirt lo08:26
andylockranmorning all08:28
SuperMattMooDoo: yeah, rackspace is casual08:29
davmor2MooDoo: but surely you could claim it was a form of religious flagellation you are a manager of sorts :P08:29
MooDoodavmor2: lol yea I was thinking that :)08:29
foobarryanyone going to the canonical sponsored openstack thingy next week in london?08:44
andylockranMooDoo: you @ Rackspace?  (thought you were at Heart)08:45
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:48
MooDooandylockran: no not at rackspace, still at heart08:50
MooDoomorning brobostigon08:50
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:50
MooDooandylockran: think i'm part of the furniture now, 8 years :S08:53
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:56
MooDoomorning bigcalm08:56
bigcalmHowdo MooDoo08:57
davmor2Morning bigcalm09:07
bigcalmo/09:09
SuperMattwork up09:15
SuperMattword up09:15
SuperMattnot work up09:15
SuperMattthat would be silly09:15
MooDooSuperMatt: go get coffee ;)09:16
* awilkins has aeropress coffee09:17
SuperMattI don't drink coffee09:20
SuperMattI generally don't drink hot drinks09:20
SuperMattthey hold little appeal for me09:20
foobarry+109:22
foobarryribena ftw09:22
* TheOpenSourcerer just booked to see Steven fry in London in October.09:22
foobarrya date?09:22
TheOpenSourcerer1st09:23
foobarryis it a date09:23
TheOpenSourcererhttp://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/stephen-fry-live-84695?dt=2014-10-0109:23
foobarrydid anyone see my openstack question? anyone going on 4th june to the thing in london?09:23
TheOpenSourcererSaw it. Not going.09:24
SuperMattok, I've just ordered settlers of catan :D09:25
foobarrywhat happens if there's a riot outside a death metal gig?09:27
foobarrypolice arrive and you get the kettlers of satan09:27
MooDoofoobarry: that the redhat one?09:28
foobarryMooDoo: the canonical sponsored one http://www.eventbooking.uk.com/openstack/home.html09:28
MooDooah09:29
MooDooooo nice09:29
SuperMattgood to see rackspace is involved in there :D09:31
bigcalmTowing the company line ;)09:31
SuperMattthough it's a little annoying that no one has asked me if I wanted to go :(09:31
foobarryi just did09:31
foobarry;)09:32
MooDooSuperMatt: you need to be asked?09:32
SuperMattyeah, but I mean for free09:32
SuperMattyou know09:32
SuperMattbecause I'm a racker09:33
SuperMattthis should could as internal training09:33
MooDooSuperMatt: ask your boss then or team lead, that'swhat they are there for.09:33
foobarrythats what i did09:33
foobarryso its "free" in the sense my co is paying09:33
SuperMattvery true09:33
foobarryactually my boss asked me09:33
MooDoonice boss09:33
SuperMatttbh, openstack isn't what I'm interested in09:33
SuperMattI like containers09:34
foobarrythere was an event on that this week SuperMatt but i found out too late09:34
foobarrylooked good09:34
SuperMattyou mean DevOps Exchange?09:34
SuperMattcos I was there :D09:34
foobarryyeah09:35
foobarrywas it good09:35
foobarrywas it youtubed/videod09:35
SuperMattit was, yeah09:35
SuperMattit was, yeah09:35
foobarrystupid out of hours things09:35
SuperMattI still skipped work for the day ;)09:35
foobarryi am allergic to the word devops09:35
foobarryugh the openstack thing is not a credit card payment09:36
popeyhow do you pay?09:37
foobarrysays they will send an invoice09:38
foobarrysucks for me09:38
foobarry1.The registration fee is payable in advance and includes presentations, documentation, refreshment breaks, and lunch.09:38
foobarrynot sure that will happen, companies pay invoices on a month end basis09:38
foobarrynot sure = 0% chance09:39
popeywant me to check for you?09:39
foobarrywoops, there's a yellow box09:39
foobarryright at the bottom09:39
foobarrycredt card payment09:39
foobarry:D09:39
popeyhaha09:39
foobarryevil trick09:39
* popey deletes the draft email09:39
foobarry:P09:40
foobarryare you going?09:40
popeynah, I'm not a cloud person09:40
SuperMattpopey: neither are most of my customers, but it doesn't stop them trying09:41
SuperMattoh how hard they try09:41
foobarrythere's a lot of fluff in cloud tech09:51
foobarrybut looks like i will have a massive need next yr09:52
foobarryM of £ worth09:52
awilkinsAll I want is the ability to push a button and summon forth a server09:53
awilkinsBut our ICT dept. only support Windows09:53
awilkinsSo you have to have procurement discussions because it costs money for all the licenses09:54
awilkins:-(09:54
awilkinsAnd then, of course, you have a Windows server, another problem child in the kindergarten of the server room09:54
foobarryawilkins: you need to push a button and get a new job09:54
* foobarry is sad that he has to click "middle manager" as his job on surveys09:56
awilkinsI allegedly manage some programmers09:56
awilkinsBut I also code09:56
Myrttiwow. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/27/if-we-cant-change-economic-system-our-number-is-up10:06
bashrcI think a lot of the "growth" could be fictitious10:16
TwistedLucidityI have never understood why an economey has to "grow" to be seen as good. Luckily for the planet, I'm not an economist.10:17
bashrcdo I have access to more goods and services than I did a decade ago? Am I using consumables at a higher rate? I don't think so.10:18
bigcalmThere are more of us10:19
bashrctrue10:19
TwistedLucidityThe only need for an economy to grow IMHO is if the population increases.10:19
TwistedLucidityBut, in the West anyway, that increase is slowing. Maybe even reversing.10:19
bigcalmJapan has negative population growth10:20
bashrcyes, in some regards I use fewer consumables than I did a decade ago10:20
TwistedLuciditybigcalm: And IIRC a shrinking economy. But it's shrinking less than the population so wealth-per-head is increasing.10:21
bashrcalso there's a lot of production which isn't counted as production10:23
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awilkinsI think this channel probably has a strong contingent of the "technology will (must) fix things!" guys (like me)10:31
TwistedLucidityAnyone ever heard of Ubuntu not printing yellow (affects 2 printers - Epson and HP)?10:31
awilkinsThe problem the "Consume less!" lobby has is that it sounds like going back to the dark ages to most people10:31
TwistedLucidity"Consumer smarter!" :-)10:32
TwistedLucidityOoops...trailing "r" there by mistake10:32
awilkinsI think "Produce smarter" is probably the key10:32
awilkinsWhat we have at the moment is "Produce the dumbest way possible that we can get away with"10:33
TwistedLucidityMore like "Produce the lowest quality, for the shortest working-life and sell at the highest price the market will stand".10:35
TwistedLucidityPersonal 3D printers downloading designs from "the cloud" will solve everything.10:47
shaunowow.  scheduled a ups pickup for 12-5pm.  they show up at 12:03.  I wish they were that punctual delivering11:05
foobarryvery wow11:11
SuperMattshauno: problem is now you have 5 hours of time to fill11:13
shaunohah, kerbal space program tends to solve that problem with ruthless efficiency11:14
foobarry watch Star Trek: Into the Darkness with a live orchestra at the Royal Albert Hall11:24
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nucc1hi guys, if my custom C program dumps core, where can I find it on ubuntu ?12:20
foobarryin the current working directory?12:22
nucc1none there12:22
foobarrycheck ulimit -a12:23
foobarrycore file size12:24
nucc1foobarry: gotcha. it says 0.12:24
nucc1:)12:24
foobarry\o/12:24
foobarryulimit -c unlimited12:24
foobarrythen try again12:24
nucc1thanks. i'm probably ok from here :)12:24
foobarryi broke the conference registration12:45
MooDoofoobarry: well done :D12:45
foobarryi do try.12:53
foobarryi know its friday afternoon, but i'm off to pull plugs on stuff13:02
bashrchappy unplugging13:03
foobarryresilience testing on some soon to be prod kit13:04
foobarryalthough we're kind of using it already :S13:04
diddledanyey for the beta internet13:19
diddledanthe comment I'm referencing is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GtmwyvmWE13:20
bigcalmDoes google auto archive all hangouts?13:31
popeyno13:33
popeyonly hangouts on air13:33
bigcalmOkay13:37
marxjohnsonOR SO THEY SAY13:43
davmor2marxjohnson: google don't the nsa might13:48
diddledancalea13:49
diddledancertainly in american devices they can13:49
diddledanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act13:49
bigcalmI'm not bothered. But it would have been nice to have records of team meetings13:50
MooDoobigcalm: you can record them if I'm not mistaken then publish them to youtube13:55
bigcalmFair enough :)13:56
davmor2MooDoo: you need to install panda antivirus on all your clients machines look how it solves pebcak issues for you http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/30/8/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-19405-1401453866-7.gif14:31
bigcalm:D14:32
shaunopanda is even stranger in context.  they're egyptian cheese adverts14:39
foobarryare panda still a scientology owned company14:41
foobarryhttp://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MtW90YkkB3gC&lpg=PA312&ots=01Tqb7gLWn&dq=panda%20scientology&pg=PA312#v=onepage&q=panda%20scientology&f=false14:44
shaunoI'm not sure I've ever seen those two words in the same sentence ;)  but I was referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYz3sl0LEA414:44
bigcalmshauno: that's nuts14:50
diddledanis anyone else monitoring the truecrypt fallout?14:51
foobarrywhats the latest14:51
foobarryi read the reg article14:51
diddledanstill no clue afaict14:51
diddledanfull-disclosure are discussing it at length at last14:51
awilkinsI lurked in #truecrypt for a while14:55
awilkinsBut I got tired of the trolls and the interference from tinfoil hat reflections14:55
awilkinsThe prevailing theory is that the TC creators are basically saying "Truecrypt is horribly broken" by recommending you use encryption products that are also known to be horribly broken instead14:56
foobarry4pm on friday and i just pulled the mains cables out of the UPSs14:57
awilkinsAlternate theory is that a TLA got control of their signing key (either with a rubber hose or more elegant means) and want you all to stop using TrueCrypt because they hates it *sssssss*14:57
awilkinsBasically it's screwed... trust for it is broken for the majority14:59
awilkinsi) If the audit that is going to continue for it says "Hey, it's basically OK" - no-one will believe that hasn't been subverted14:59
awilkinsii) If it finds horrible vulns, then no-one will ever trust it again15:00
awilkinsiii) No corporate person will use it again because the mere whiff of using security products with possible broken-ness is enough to get you  sued into oblivion in the USA, regardless of whether you have fully audited the code and found it to be sound15:01
awilkinsOn balance I think I believe that it's a campaign to destroy a useful tool, more than the possibility that it is egregiously broken15:02
bashrcI don't know what the current state of the truecrypt story is, but my suspicion is that this is a Lavabit or Binney type of scenario15:06
bashrcmen show up with guns, tell you to stop doing X15:06
awilkinsThere are hints in the diffs, apparently15:14
awilkinsThings like all the "US" being s/US/United States/15:15
bashrcapparently that's an automatic replacement by visual studio15:17
bashrcin the bigger picture there are currently efforts underway to increase the level of security of computer systems.  I think this is part of the pushback to spread fear and doubt about using encryption15:19
SirMarkyHello - would anyone be able to help me with a permissions problem I seem to be going around in circles with?15:32
bigcalm!ask15:32
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience15:32
SirMarkylubotu3 - You could have just said 'yes'.  No need to make me feel small for not knowing the rules of your club. :-(15:37
lubotu3SirMarky: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:37
bigcalmSirMarky: the point being that you don't need to ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and somebody _might_ be able to help you :)15:40
andylockranSirMarky: fire away - what's the issue?15:42
andylockran!patience | andylockran15:43
lubotu3andylockran, please see my private message15:43
bigcalm!patience | andylockran15:44
lubotu3andylockran: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/15:44
andylockrancalm down bigcalm :p15:45
andylockranI feel ignored.15:46
bigcalmHeh15:47
* diddledan ignores andylockran 15:48
diddledan*!*@80.229.11.208 added to ignore list15:49
diddledan:-p15:49
diddledanonly joking, I wouldn't do that15:49
diddledanin other news. publicising IP addresses doesn't reduce your security15:50
bigcalmdirecthex: one for you http://batlesbo.tumblr.com/post/8730535055015:53
diddledanI hate that folk go into the wordpress channel and ask for edge-case help but refuse to show any examples because they erroneously think they're being clever by not telling anyone their web address15:55
diddledanbigcalm - a sloth?!15:55
bigcalmdiddledan: I was surprised about that one as well. Dangerous claws15:56
diddledanthat's cuteness overload15:56
diddledanwhat's the last one?15:56
bigcalmRaccoon?15:57
diddledanaah, I was thinking a firefox :-p15:57
bigcalmHeh15:57
diddledanwhat do you mean there's no such thing as a firefox?!15:57
diddledanI stand corrected, there is15:58
diddledanhttps://www.google.co.uk/search?q=firefox&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fqqIU871DrXJsQSu7IKwCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1278&bih=668#q=firefox%20animal&revid=1228104664&tbm=isch15:58
daftykinsit's a nickname for the Red Panda16:28
daftykinsafaik16:28
diddledanfoo, just waited on the phone for nearly 30 minutes to talk to the tax people16:36
diddledanthat sucksors when you only need a simple query16:36
daftykinsmmhmm16:45
daftykinsi nearly had a massive shock just before, i thought i'd found more flight holes from woodworm up in another room16:46
daftykinsbut i think they're older ones16:46
daftykinspopey: you've done ISO booting from GRUB before, right?18:38
daftykinsdid you ever run into streaming errors of "/init line 3 can't open /dev/sr0 "18:38
daftykinshmm maybe that ISO just isn't designed for booting of that style18:45
daftykinsdiddledan: i'm amazed you didn't get some infighting for that XP troll link ;)19:07
daftykinsperhaps the ops are relaxing these days19:07
diddledanlol19:07
diddledandaftykins, maybe because I made it clear it was intended to be assy?19:07
daftykinsugh an ISO 6MB too large for a CD-R19:08
* daftykins shakes his fists19:08
diddledan>.<19:08
daftykins9MB/sec over 130Mb wireless through a wooden floor \o/19:08
* diddledan spits on your wireless19:12
daftykinsi'm in the lounge on my laptop *shrug*19:13
daftykinsdon't be hating!19:13
diddledanI'm plugged-in19:15
diddledanthey're making me hungry now, talking about chips19:20
daftykinsdiddledan: oven fried, with scampi19:20
diddledanI would guess mentioning it in there would be considered trolling :-p19:21
diddledangood news or bad? http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/mgm-warner-bros-reboot-stargate/19:36
diddledanhow likely are they to respect the three tv series?19:36
shaunothey're worth any respect?19:37
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y419:45
daftykinsdiddledan: my interpretation of an article i read was that they were considering the film alone19:47
diddledandaftykins, that's what I figured19:48
daftykinshrmm20:17
daftykinsso this guy i know wants to build a cheap home server20:17
daftykinshis idea is to start with some disks now, then maybe add some later, with them all in one pool20:17
daftykinsit sounds like the scenario where LVM is appropriate, but i've never touched it before... is it really... safe? :D20:17
daftykinsnobody? :)20:41
foobarryyes but popey will tell you of btrgs20:51
foobarrybtrfs20:51
foobarryand i will tell you of dedicated nas boxen20:51
foobarryunless it's for learning..20:52
foobarryoff to bed nighty night20:52
diddledanit's friday!20:52
diddledanfriday = stay awake until you pass out day20:52
shaunopurrrdy much21:02
diddledanwell done america: https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10338252_961493367213450_2473946443256384171_n.jpg21:05
daftykinshrmm yis btrfs21:09
diddledanlol, the EU is becoming farsical: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641817/Brussels-ignores-anger-EU-demands-Britain-pays-ANOTHER-500million-despite-damning-election-results.html21:13
diddledanto be fair, and to redress some sort of balance, that's the daily mail21:13
shaunowhy's it still legal to link to DM :/21:18
daftykinsXD21:19
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gingdoes anyone know on the ubuntu installer manual network config, it asks for a name server, can you have 2 ? how do you seperate them if you can?23:30

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