[05:48] hey all [05:48] morning === msm is now known as Guest73663 [06:20] morning [06:21] morning MooDoo [06:46] am I blind or has there been nothing from sabdfl re jono leaving canonical? would of thought there would be a blog post or something. [06:54] well, we might see something today [06:54] or Monday [06:54] day is still early [06:54] and young [07:00] Yeah I suppose [07:03] he encircled me on Google+ earlier, I just went What the, what have I done wrong now [07:08] lol :D [07:10] have you been naughty Myrtti [07:10] yeah, I've left all Ubuntu IRC channel bar this [07:11] Myrtti: how come? [07:11] need to distance myself for a while lest I rip peoples heads off [07:12] oh no :( [07:12] this channel is nice and mellow with very few trolls at all so I don't mind being here [07:12] I understand [07:30] And we talk about food mainly ;-) [07:34] chiili [07:35] +1 [07:36] https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L5W8lDEU4Cs/U4dnA4qDuII/AAAAAAAAQxs/Xh8HDjt04Rc/w654-h872-no/20140529_174328.jpg << A Pink Tiger about to flower [07:36] :) [07:38] I took some piccies of ours yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/ [07:38] Cool. [07:38] Why has everyone else got ripe pods except me :-( [07:38] ooo they are looking good Myrtti [07:39] Lemon Drop is a lovely chilli. C.Baccatum [07:42] I didn't pick the chilies :-D [07:42] I picked tomatoes and the courgette [07:43] My Polytunnel as of the 23rd May: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tdBOuaC7FwM/U4CRfai9AZI/AAAAAAAAQZE/NK4G--wOwCE/w1162-h872-no/20140523_174632.jpg [07:43] we started small [07:43] So did I. [07:43] But it's addictive... [07:43] this is the first summer I'm planning to spend in UK for the whole time bar a week in August [07:44] Next year I will probably need ~3000'ft of commercial glasshouse [07:44] TheOpenSourcerer's Chilli Company LTD :) [07:44] lol [07:44] next year I'll buy another of those Hozelock boxes [07:44] Buy our chillies they are magic :) [07:45] You can be in charge of marketing MooDoo [07:45] or two more [07:45] one for courgette, one for tomatoes, one for chillies [07:46] courgette is such a nice veg when it's grilled proper [07:46] Courgettes will do better in the ground - the plant will grow *very* large [07:46] spreads out over the floor [07:47] marinated and grilled for 10 minutes on both sides [07:47] mmmm. [08:06] Morning all [08:06] morning [08:19] Today I re-discovered that I have about 20 "work" shirts in my cupboard that I haven't worn for 2.5 years, since I worked in an office. [08:22] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loomis Day! :-D [08:22] I haven't work workshirts for about 2 years too, but I have to admit its so much nicer [08:22] wherever I work after the rack, I'm probably not going to allow myself to dress so stuffily [08:24] SuperMatt: isn't rackspace a casual place? ie jeans and a t? [08:25] I've been here 8 years and do sometimes prefer to wear a shirt, although it's only a casual one. [08:26] I suppose they would frown if I wore my Managers suck tshirt lo [08:28] morning all [08:29] MooDoo: yeah, rackspace is casual [08:29] MooDoo: but surely you could claim it was a form of religious flagellation you are a manager of sorts :P [08:29] davmor2: lol yea I was thinking that :) [08:44] anyone going to the canonical sponsored openstack thingy next week in london? [08:45] MooDoo: you @ Rackspace? (thought you were at Heart) [08:48] morning boys and girls. [08:50] andylockran: no not at rackspace, still at heart [08:50] morning brobostigon [08:50] morning MooDoo [08:53] andylockran: think i'm part of the furniture now, 8 years :S [08:56] Good morning peeps :) [08:56] morning bigcalm [08:57] Howdo MooDoo [09:07] Morning bigcalm [09:09] o/ [09:15] work up [09:15] word up [09:15] not work up [09:15] that would be silly [09:16] SuperMatt: go get coffee ;) [09:17] * awilkins has aeropress coffee [09:20] I don't drink coffee [09:20] I generally don't drink hot drinks [09:20] they hold little appeal for me [09:22] +1 [09:22] ribena ftw [09:22] * TheOpenSourcerer just booked to see Steven fry in London in October. [09:22] a date? [09:23] 1st [09:23] is it a date [09:23] http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/stephen-fry-live-84695?dt=2014-10-01 [09:23] did anyone see my openstack question? anyone going on 4th june to the thing in london? [09:24] Saw it. Not going. [09:25] ok, I've just ordered settlers of catan :D [09:27] what happens if there's a riot outside a death metal gig? [09:27] police arrive and you get the kettlers of satan [09:28] foobarry: that the redhat one? [09:28] MooDoo: the canonical sponsored one http://www.eventbooking.uk.com/openstack/home.html [09:29] ah [09:29] ooo nice [09:31] good to see rackspace is involved in there :D [09:31] Towing the company line ;) [09:31] though it's a little annoying that no one has asked me if I wanted to go :( [09:31] i just did [09:32] ;) [09:32] SuperMatt: you need to be asked? [09:32] yeah, but I mean for free [09:32] you know [09:33] because I'm a racker [09:33] this should could as internal training [09:33] SuperMatt: ask your boss then or team lead, that'swhat they are there for. [09:33] thats what i did [09:33] so its "free" in the sense my co is paying [09:33] very true [09:33] actually my boss asked me [09:33] nice boss [09:33] tbh, openstack isn't what I'm interested in [09:34] I like containers [09:34] there was an event on that this week SuperMatt but i found out too late [09:34] looked good [09:34] you mean DevOps Exchange? [09:34] cos I was there :D [09:35] yeah [09:35] was it good [09:35] was it youtubed/videod [09:35] it was, yeah [09:35] it was, yeah [09:35] stupid out of hours things [09:35] I still skipped work for the day ;) [09:35] i am allergic to the word devops [09:36] ugh the openstack thing is not a credit card payment [09:37] how do you pay? [09:38] says they will send an invoice [09:38] sucks for me [09:38] 1.The registration fee is payable in advance and includes presentations, documentation, refreshment breaks, and lunch. [09:38] not sure that will happen, companies pay invoices on a month end basis [09:39] not sure = 0% chance [09:39] want me to check for you? [09:39] woops, there's a yellow box [09:39] right at the bottom [09:39] credt card payment [09:39] :D [09:39] haha [09:39] evil trick [09:39] * popey deletes the draft email [09:40] :P [09:40] are you going? [09:40] nah, I'm not a cloud person [09:41] popey: neither are most of my customers, but it doesn't stop them trying [09:41] oh how hard they try [09:51] there's a lot of fluff in cloud tech [09:52] but looks like i will have a massive need next yr [09:52] M of £ worth [09:53] All I want is the ability to push a button and summon forth a server [09:53] But our ICT dept. only support Windows [09:54] So you have to have procurement discussions because it costs money for all the licenses [09:54] :-( [09:54] And then, of course, you have a Windows server, another problem child in the kindergarten of the server room [09:54] awilkins: you need to push a button and get a new job [09:56] * foobarry is sad that he has to click "middle manager" as his job on surveys [09:56] I allegedly manage some programmers [09:56] But I also code [10:06] wow. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/27/if-we-cant-change-economic-system-our-number-is-up [10:16] I think a lot of the "growth" could be fictitious [10:17] I have never understood why an economey has to "grow" to be seen as good. Luckily for the planet, I'm not an economist. [10:18] do I have access to more goods and services than I did a decade ago? Am I using consumables at a higher rate? I don't think so. [10:19] There are more of us [10:19] true [10:19] The only need for an economy to grow IMHO is if the population increases. [10:19] But, in the West anyway, that increase is slowing. Maybe even reversing. [10:20] Japan has negative population growth [10:20] yes, in some regards I use fewer consumables than I did a decade ago [10:21] bigcalm: And IIRC a shrinking economy. But it's shrinking less than the population so wealth-per-head is increasing. [10:23] also there's a lot of production which isn't counted as production === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:31] I think this channel probably has a strong contingent of the "technology will (must) fix things!" guys (like me) [10:31] Anyone ever heard of Ubuntu not printing yellow (affects 2 printers - Epson and HP)? [10:31] The problem the "Consume less!" lobby has is that it sounds like going back to the dark ages to most people [10:32] "Consumer smarter!" :-) [10:32] Ooops...trailing "r" there by mistake [10:32] I think "Produce smarter" is probably the key [10:33] What we have at the moment is "Produce the dumbest way possible that we can get away with" [10:35] More like "Produce the lowest quality, for the shortest working-life and sell at the highest price the market will stand". [10:47] Personal 3D printers downloading designs from "the cloud" will solve everything. [11:05] wow. scheduled a ups pickup for 12-5pm. they show up at 12:03. I wish they were that punctual delivering [11:11] very wow [11:13] shauno: problem is now you have 5 hours of time to fill [11:14] hah, kerbal space program tends to solve that problem with ruthless efficiency [11:24] watch Star Trek: Into the Darkness with a live orchestra at the Royal Albert Hall === msm is now known as Guest2002 === richard is now known as Guest80943 [12:20] hi guys, if my custom C program dumps core, where can I find it on ubuntu ? [12:22] in the current working directory? [12:22] none there [12:23] check ulimit -a [12:24] core file size [12:24] foobarry: gotcha. it says 0. [12:24] :) [12:24] \o/ [12:24] ulimit -c unlimited [12:24] then try again [12:24] thanks. i'm probably ok from here :) [12:45] i broke the conference registration [12:45] foobarry: well done :D [12:53] i do try. [13:02] i know its friday afternoon, but i'm off to pull plugs on stuff [13:03] happy unplugging [13:04] resilience testing on some soon to be prod kit [13:04] although we're kind of using it already :S [13:19] yey for the beta internet [13:20] the comment I'm referencing is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GtmwyvmWE [13:31] Does google auto archive all hangouts? [13:33] no [13:33] only hangouts on air [13:37] Okay [13:43] OR SO THEY SAY [13:48] marxjohnson: google don't the nsa might [13:49] calea [13:49] certainly in american devices they can [13:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act [13:50] I'm not bothered. But it would have been nice to have records of team meetings [13:55] bigcalm: you can record them if I'm not mistaken then publish them to youtube [13:56] Fair enough :) [14:31] MooDoo: you need to install panda antivirus on all your clients machines look how it solves pebcak issues for you http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/30/8/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-19405-1401453866-7.gif [14:32] :D [14:39] panda is even stranger in context. they're egyptian cheese adverts [14:41] are panda still a scientology owned company [14:44] http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MtW90YkkB3gC&lpg=PA312&ots=01Tqb7gLWn&dq=panda%20scientology&pg=PA312#v=onepage&q=panda%20scientology&f=false [14:44] I'm not sure I've ever seen those two words in the same sentence ;) but I was referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYz3sl0LEA4 [14:50] shauno: that's nuts [14:51] is anyone else monitoring the truecrypt fallout? [14:51] whats the latest [14:51] i read the reg article [14:51] still no clue afaict [14:51] full-disclosure are discussing it at length at last [14:55] I lurked in #truecrypt for a while [14:55] But I got tired of the trolls and the interference from tinfoil hat reflections [14:56] The prevailing theory is that the TC creators are basically saying "Truecrypt is horribly broken" by recommending you use encryption products that are also known to be horribly broken instead [14:57] 4pm on friday and i just pulled the mains cables out of the UPSs [14:57] Alternate theory is that a TLA got control of their signing key (either with a rubber hose or more elegant means) and want you all to stop using TrueCrypt because they hates it *sssssss* [14:59] Basically it's screwed... trust for it is broken for the majority [14:59] i) If the audit that is going to continue for it says "Hey, it's basically OK" - no-one will believe that hasn't been subverted [15:00] ii) If it finds horrible vulns, then no-one will ever trust it again [15:01] iii) No corporate person will use it again because the mere whiff of using security products with possible broken-ness is enough to get you sued into oblivion in the USA, regardless of whether you have fully audited the code and found it to be sound [15:02] On balance I think I believe that it's a campaign to destroy a useful tool, more than the possibility that it is egregiously broken [15:06] I don't know what the current state of the truecrypt story is, but my suspicion is that this is a Lavabit or Binney type of scenario [15:06] men show up with guns, tell you to stop doing X [15:14] There are hints in the diffs, apparently [15:15] Things like all the "US" being s/US/United States/ [15:17] apparently that's an automatic replacement by visual studio [15:19] in the bigger picture there are currently efforts underway to increase the level of security of computer systems. I think this is part of the pushback to spread fear and doubt about using encryption [15:32] Hello - would anyone be able to help me with a permissions problem I seem to be going around in circles with? [15:32] !ask [15:32] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [15:37] lubotu3 - You could have just said 'yes'. No need to make me feel small for not knowing the rules of your club. :-( [15:37] SirMarky: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:40] SirMarky: the point being that you don't need to ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and somebody _might_ be able to help you :) [15:42] SirMarky: fire away - what's the issue? [15:43] !patience | andylockran [15:43] andylockran, please see my private message [15:44] !patience | andylockran [15:44] andylockran: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [15:45] calm down bigcalm :p [15:46] I feel ignored. [15:47] Heh [15:48] * diddledan ignores andylockran [15:49] *!*@80.229.11.208 added to ignore list [15:49] :-p [15:49] only joking, I wouldn't do that [15:50] in other news. publicising IP addresses doesn't reduce your security [15:53] directhex: one for you http://batlesbo.tumblr.com/post/87305350550 [15:55] I hate that folk go into the wordpress channel and ask for edge-case help but refuse to show any examples because they erroneously think they're being clever by not telling anyone their web address [15:55] bigcalm - a sloth?! [15:56] diddledan: I was surprised about that one as well. Dangerous claws [15:56] that's cuteness overload [15:56] what's the last one? [15:57] Raccoon? [15:57] aah, I was thinking a firefox :-p [15:57] Heh [15:57] what do you mean there's no such thing as a firefox?! [15:58] I stand corrected, there is [15:58] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=firefox&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fqqIU871DrXJsQSu7IKwCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1278&bih=668#q=firefox%20animal&revid=1228104664&tbm=isch [16:28] it's a nickname for the Red Panda [16:28] afaik [16:36] foo, just waited on the phone for nearly 30 minutes to talk to the tax people [16:36] that sucksors when you only need a simple query [16:45] mmhmm [16:46] i nearly had a massive shock just before, i thought i'd found more flight holes from woodworm up in another room [16:46] but i think they're older ones [18:38] popey: you've done ISO booting from GRUB before, right? [18:38] did you ever run into streaming errors of "/init line 3 can't open /dev/sr0 " [18:45] hmm maybe that ISO just isn't designed for booting of that style [19:07] diddledan: i'm amazed you didn't get some infighting for that XP troll link ;) [19:07] perhaps the ops are relaxing these days [19:07] lol [19:07] daftykins, maybe because I made it clear it was intended to be assy? [19:08] ugh an ISO 6MB too large for a CD-R [19:08] * daftykins shakes his fists [19:08] >.< [19:08] 9MB/sec over 130Mb wireless through a wooden floor \o/ [19:12] * diddledan spits on your wireless [19:13] i'm in the lounge on my laptop *shrug* [19:13] don't be hating! [19:15] I'm plugged-in [19:20] they're making me hungry now, talking about chips [19:20] diddledan: oven fried, with scampi [19:21] I would guess mentioning it in there would be considered trolling :-p [19:36] good news or bad? http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/mgm-warner-bros-reboot-stargate/ [19:36] how likely are they to respect the three tv series? [19:37] they're worth any respect? [19:45] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y4 [19:47] diddledan: my interpretation of an article i read was that they were considering the film alone [19:48] daftykins, that's what I figured [20:17] hrmm [20:17] so this guy i know wants to build a cheap home server [20:17] his idea is to start with some disks now, then maybe add some later, with them all in one pool [20:17] it sounds like the scenario where LVM is appropriate, but i've never touched it before... is it really... safe? :D [20:41] nobody? :) [20:51] yes but popey will tell you of btrgs [20:51] btrfs [20:51] and i will tell you of dedicated nas boxen [20:52] unless it's for learning.. [20:52] off to bed nighty night [20:52] it's friday! [20:52] friday = stay awake until you pass out day [21:02] purrrdy much [21:05] well done america: https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10338252_961493367213450_2473946443256384171_n.jpg [21:09] hrmm yis btrfs [21:13] lol, the EU is becoming farsical: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641817/Brussels-ignores-anger-EU-demands-Britain-pays-ANOTHER-500million-despite-damning-election-results.html [21:13] to be fair, and to redress some sort of balance, that's the daily mail [21:18] why's it still legal to link to DM :/ [21:19] XD === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:30] does anyone know on the ubuntu installer manual network config, it asks for a name server, can you have 2 ? how do you seperate them if you can?