[05:48] <mapps> hey all
[05:48] <mapps> morning
[06:20] <MooDoo> morning
[06:21] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[06:46] <MooDoo> am I blind or has there been nothing from sabdfl re jono leaving canonical?  would of thought there would be a blog post or something.
[06:54] <Myrtti> well, we might see something today
[06:54] <Myrtti> or Monday
[06:54] <Myrtti> day is still early
[06:54] <Myrtti> and young
[07:00] <MooDoo> Yeah I suppose
[07:03] <Myrtti> he encircled me on Google+ earlier, I just went What the, what have I done wrong now
[07:08] <MooDoo> lol :D
[07:10] <MooDoo> have you been naughty Myrtti
[07:10] <Myrtti> yeah, I've left all Ubuntu IRC channel bar this
[07:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: how come?
[07:11] <Myrtti> need to distance myself for a while lest I rip peoples heads off
[07:12] <MooDoo> oh no :(
[07:12] <Myrtti> this channel is nice and mellow with very few trolls at all so I don't mind being here
[07:12] <MooDoo> I understand
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> And we talk about food mainly ;-)
[07:34] <MooDoo> chiili
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1
[07:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L5W8lDEU4Cs/U4dnA4qDuII/AAAAAAAAQxs/Xh8HDjt04Rc/w654-h872-no/20140529_174328.jpg << A Pink Tiger about to flower
[07:36] <MooDoo> :)
[07:38] <Myrtti> I took some piccies of ours yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why has everyone else got ripe pods except me :-(
[07:38] <MooDoo> ooo they are looking good Myrtti
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lemon Drop is a lovely chilli. C.Baccatum
[07:42] <Myrtti> I didn't pick the chilies :-D
[07:42] <Myrtti> I picked tomatoes and the courgette
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> My Polytunnel as of the 23rd May: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tdBOuaC7FwM/U4CRfai9AZI/AAAAAAAAQZE/NK4G--wOwCE/w1162-h872-no/20140523_174632.jpg
[07:43] <Myrtti> we started small
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> So did I.
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> But it's addictive...
[07:43] <Myrtti> this is the first summer I'm planning to spend in UK for the whole time bar a week in August
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Next year I will probably need ~3000'ft of commercial glasshouse
[07:44] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer's Chilli Company LTD :)
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:44] <Myrtti> next year I'll buy another of those Hozelock boxes
[07:44] <MooDoo> Buy our chillies they are magic :)
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can be in charge of marketing MooDoo
[07:45] <Myrtti> or two more
[07:45] <Myrtti> one for courgette, one for tomatoes, one for chillies
[07:46] <Myrtti> courgette is such a nice veg when it's grilled proper
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Courgettes will do better in the ground - the plant will grow *very* large
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> spreads out over the floor
[07:47] <Myrtti> marinated and grilled for 10 minutes on both sides
[07:47] <Myrtti> mmmm.
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <bashrc> morning
[08:19] <popey> Today I re-discovered that I have about 20 "work" shirts in my cupboard that I haven't worn for 2.5 years, since I worked in an office.
[08:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loomis Day! :-D
[08:22] <SuperMatt> I haven't work workshirts for about 2 years too, but I have to admit its so much nicer
[08:22] <SuperMatt> wherever I work after the rack, I'm probably not going to allow myself to dress so stuffily
[08:24] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: isn't rackspace a casual place?  ie jeans and a t?
[08:25] <MooDoo> I've been here 8 years and do sometimes prefer to wear a shirt, although it's only a casual one.
[08:26] <MooDoo> I suppose they would frown if I wore my Managers suck tshirt lo
[08:28] <andylockran> morning all
[08:29] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: yeah, rackspace is casual
[08:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: but surely you could claim it was a form of religious flagellation you are a manager of sorts :P
[08:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol yea I was thinking that :)
[08:44] <foobarry> anyone going to the canonical sponsored openstack thingy next week in london?
[08:45] <andylockran> MooDoo: you @ Rackspace?  (thought you were at Heart)
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:50] <MooDoo> andylockran: no not at rackspace, still at heart
[08:50] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:53] <MooDoo> andylockran: think i'm part of the furniture now, 8 years :S
[08:56] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[08:57] <bigcalm> Howdo MooDoo
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning bigcalm
[09:09] <bigcalm> o/
[09:15] <SuperMatt> work up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> word up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> not work up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> that would be silly
[09:16] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: go get coffee ;)
[09:17]  * awilkins has aeropress coffee
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I don't drink coffee
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I generally don't drink hot drinks
[09:20] <SuperMatt> they hold little appeal for me
[09:22] <foobarry> +1
[09:22] <foobarry> ribena ftw
[09:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer just booked to see Steven fry in London in October.
[09:22] <foobarry> a date?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> 1st
[09:23] <foobarry> is it a date
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/stephen-fry-live-84695?dt=2014-10-01
[09:23] <foobarry> did anyone see my openstack question? anyone going on 4th june to the thing in london?
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Saw it. Not going.
[09:25] <SuperMatt> ok, I've just ordered settlers of catan :D
[09:27] <foobarry> what happens if there's a riot outside a death metal gig?
[09:27] <foobarry> police arrive and you get the kettlers of satan
[09:28] <MooDoo> foobarry: that the redhat one?
[09:28] <foobarry> MooDoo: the canonical sponsored one http://www.eventbooking.uk.com/openstack/home.html
[09:29] <MooDoo> ah
[09:29] <MooDoo> ooo nice
[09:31] <SuperMatt> good to see rackspace is involved in there :D
[09:31] <bigcalm> Towing the company line ;)
[09:31] <SuperMatt> though it's a little annoying that no one has asked me if I wanted to go :(
[09:31] <foobarry> i just did
[09:32] <foobarry> ;)
[09:32] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you need to be asked?
[09:32] <SuperMatt> yeah, but I mean for free
[09:32] <SuperMatt> you know
[09:33] <SuperMatt> because I'm a racker
[09:33] <SuperMatt> this should could as internal training
[09:33] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ask your boss then or team lead, that'swhat they are there for.
[09:33] <foobarry> thats what i did
[09:33] <foobarry> so its "free" in the sense my co is paying
[09:33] <SuperMatt> very true
[09:33] <foobarry> actually my boss asked me
[09:33] <MooDoo> nice boss
[09:33] <SuperMatt> tbh, openstack isn't what I'm interested in
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I like containers
[09:34] <foobarry> there was an event on that this week SuperMatt but i found out too late
[09:34] <foobarry> looked good
[09:34] <SuperMatt> you mean DevOps Exchange?
[09:34] <SuperMatt> cos I was there :D
[09:35] <foobarry> yeah
[09:35] <foobarry> was it good
[09:35] <foobarry> was it youtubed/videod
[09:35] <SuperMatt> it was, yeah
[09:35] <SuperMatt> it was, yeah
[09:35] <foobarry> stupid out of hours things
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I still skipped work for the day ;)
[09:35] <foobarry> i am allergic to the word devops
[09:36] <foobarry> ugh the openstack thing is not a credit card payment
[09:37] <popey> how do you pay?
[09:38] <foobarry> says they will send an invoice
[09:38] <foobarry> sucks for me
[09:38] <foobarry> 1.The registration fee is payable in advance and includes presentations, documentation, refreshment breaks, and lunch.
[09:38] <foobarry> not sure that will happen, companies pay invoices on a month end basis
[09:39] <foobarry> not sure = 0% chance
[09:39] <popey> want me to check for you?
[09:39] <foobarry> woops, there's a yellow box
[09:39] <foobarry> right at the bottom
[09:39] <foobarry> credt card payment
[09:39] <foobarry> :D
[09:39] <popey> haha
[09:39] <foobarry> evil trick
[09:39]  * popey deletes the draft email
[09:40] <foobarry> :P
[09:40] <foobarry> are you going?
[09:40] <popey> nah, I'm not a cloud person
[09:41] <SuperMatt> popey: neither are most of my customers, but it doesn't stop them trying
[09:41] <SuperMatt> oh how hard they try
[09:51] <foobarry> there's a lot of fluff in cloud tech
[09:52] <foobarry> but looks like i will have a massive need next yr
[09:52] <foobarry> M of £ worth
[09:53] <awilkins> All I want is the ability to push a button and summon forth a server
[09:53] <awilkins> But our ICT dept. only support Windows
[09:54] <awilkins> So you have to have procurement discussions because it costs money for all the licenses
[09:54] <awilkins> :-(
[09:54] <awilkins> And then, of course, you have a Windows server, another problem child in the kindergarten of the server room
[09:54] <foobarry> awilkins: you need to push a button and get a new job
[09:56]  * foobarry is sad that he has to click "middle manager" as his job on surveys
[09:56] <awilkins> I allegedly manage some programmers
[09:56] <awilkins> But I also code
[10:06] <Myrtti> wow. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/27/if-we-cant-change-economic-system-our-number-is-up
[10:16] <bashrc> I think a lot of the "growth" could be fictitious
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> I have never understood why an economey has to "grow" to be seen as good. Luckily for the planet, I'm not an economist.
[10:18] <bashrc> do I have access to more goods and services than I did a decade ago? Am I using consumables at a higher rate? I don't think so.
[10:19] <bigcalm> There are more of us
[10:19] <bashrc> true
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> The only need for an economy to grow IMHO is if the population increases.
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> But, in the West anyway, that increase is slowing. Maybe even reversing.
[10:20] <bigcalm> Japan has negative population growth
[10:20] <bashrc> yes, in some regards I use fewer consumables than I did a decade ago
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: And IIRC a shrinking economy. But it's shrinking less than the population so wealth-per-head is increasing.
[10:23] <bashrc> also there's a lot of production which isn't counted as production
[10:31] <awilkins> I think this channel probably has a strong contingent of the "technology will (must) fix things!" guys (like me)
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Anyone ever heard of Ubuntu not printing yellow (affects 2 printers - Epson and HP)?
[10:31] <awilkins> The problem the "Consume less!" lobby has is that it sounds like going back to the dark ages to most people
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> "Consumer smarter!" :-)
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> Ooops...trailing "r" there by mistake
[10:32] <awilkins> I think "Produce smarter" is probably the key
[10:33] <awilkins> What we have at the moment is "Produce the dumbest way possible that we can get away with"
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> More like "Produce the lowest quality, for the shortest working-life and sell at the highest price the market will stand".
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> Personal 3D printers downloading designs from "the cloud" will solve everything.
[11:05] <shauno> wow.  scheduled a ups pickup for 12-5pm.  they show up at 12:03.  I wish they were that punctual delivering
[11:11] <foobarry> very wow
[11:13] <SuperMatt> shauno: problem is now you have 5 hours of time to fill
[11:14] <shauno> hah, kerbal space program tends to solve that problem with ruthless efficiency
[11:24] <foobarry>  watch Star Trek: Into the Darkness with a live orchestra at the Royal Albert Hall
[12:20] <nucc1> hi guys, if my custom C program dumps core, where can I find it on ubuntu ?
[12:22] <foobarry> in the current working directory?
[12:22] <nucc1> none there
[12:23] <foobarry> check ulimit -a
[12:24] <foobarry> core file size
[12:24] <nucc1> foobarry: gotcha. it says 0.
[12:24] <nucc1> :)
[12:24] <foobarry> \o/
[12:24] <foobarry> ulimit -c unlimited
[12:24] <foobarry> then try again
[12:24] <nucc1> thanks. i'm probably ok from here :)
[12:45] <foobarry> i broke the conference registration
[12:45] <MooDoo> foobarry: well done :D
[12:53] <foobarry> i do try.
[13:02] <foobarry> i know its friday afternoon, but i'm off to pull plugs on stuff
[13:03] <bashrc> happy unplugging
[13:04] <foobarry> resilience testing on some soon to be prod kit
[13:04] <foobarry> although we're kind of using it already :S
[13:19] <diddledan> yey for the beta internet
[13:20] <diddledan> the comment I'm referencing is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GtmwyvmWE
[13:31] <bigcalm> Does google auto archive all hangouts?
[13:33] <popey> no
[13:33] <popey> only hangouts on air
[13:37] <bigcalm> Okay
[13:43] <marxjohnson> OR SO THEY SAY
[13:48] <davmor2> marxjohnson: google don't the nsa might
[13:49] <diddledan> calea
[13:49] <diddledan> certainly in american devices they can
[13:49] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
[13:50] <bigcalm> I'm not bothered. But it would have been nice to have records of team meetings
[13:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you can record them if I'm not mistaken then publish them to youtube
[13:56] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[14:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: you need to install panda antivirus on all your clients machines look how it solves pebcak issues for you http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/30/8/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-19405-1401453866-7.gif
[14:32] <bigcalm> :D
[14:39] <shauno> panda is even stranger in context.  they're egyptian cheese adverts
[14:41] <foobarry> are panda still a scientology owned company
[14:44] <foobarry> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MtW90YkkB3gC&lpg=PA312&ots=01Tqb7gLWn&dq=panda%20scientology&pg=PA312#v=onepage&q=panda%20scientology&f=false
[14:44] <shauno> I'm not sure I've ever seen those two words in the same sentence ;)  but I was referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYz3sl0LEA4
[14:50] <bigcalm> shauno: that's nuts
[14:51] <diddledan> is anyone else monitoring the truecrypt fallout?
[14:51] <foobarry> whats the latest
[14:51] <foobarry> i read the reg article
[14:51] <diddledan> still no clue afaict
[14:51] <diddledan> full-disclosure are discussing it at length at last
[14:55] <awilkins> I lurked in #truecrypt for a while
[14:55] <awilkins> But I got tired of the trolls and the interference from tinfoil hat reflections
[14:56] <awilkins> The prevailing theory is that the TC creators are basically saying "Truecrypt is horribly broken" by recommending you use encryption products that are also known to be horribly broken instead
[14:57] <foobarry> 4pm on friday and i just pulled the mains cables out of the UPSs
[14:57] <awilkins> Alternate theory is that a TLA got control of their signing key (either with a rubber hose or more elegant means) and want you all to stop using TrueCrypt because they hates it *sssssss*
[14:59] <awilkins> Basically it's screwed... trust for it is broken for the majority
[14:59] <awilkins> i) If the audit that is going to continue for it says "Hey, it's basically OK" - no-one will believe that hasn't been subverted
[15:00] <awilkins> ii) If it finds horrible vulns, then no-one will ever trust it again
[15:01] <awilkins> iii) No corporate person will use it again because the mere whiff of using security products with possible broken-ness is enough to get you  sued into oblivion in the USA, regardless of whether you have fully audited the code and found it to be sound
[15:02] <awilkins> On balance I think I believe that it's a campaign to destroy a useful tool, more than the possibility that it is egregiously broken
[15:06] <bashrc> I don't know what the current state of the truecrypt story is, but my suspicion is that this is a Lavabit or Binney type of scenario
[15:06] <bashrc> men show up with guns, tell you to stop doing X
[15:14] <awilkins> There are hints in the diffs, apparently
[15:15] <awilkins> Things like all the "US" being s/US/United States/
[15:17] <bashrc> apparently that's an automatic replacement by visual studio
[15:19] <bashrc> in the bigger picture there are currently efforts underway to increase the level of security of computer systems.  I think this is part of the pushback to spread fear and doubt about using encryption
[15:32] <SirMarky> Hello - would anyone be able to help me with a permissions problem I seem to be going around in circles with?
[15:32] <bigcalm> !ask
[15:37] <SirMarky> lubotu3 - You could have just said 'yes'.  No need to make me feel small for not knowing the rules of your club. :-(
[15:40] <bigcalm> SirMarky: the point being that you don't need to ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and somebody _might_ be able to help you :)
[15:42] <andylockran> SirMarky: fire away - what's the issue?
[15:43] <andylockran> !patience | andylockran
[15:44] <bigcalm> !patience | andylockran
[15:45] <andylockran> calm down bigcalm :p
[15:46] <andylockran> I feel ignored.
[15:47] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:48]  * diddledan ignores andylockran 
[15:49] <diddledan> *!*@80.229.11.208 added to ignore list
[15:49] <diddledan> :-p
[15:49] <diddledan> only joking, I wouldn't do that
[15:50] <diddledan> in other news. publicising IP addresses doesn't reduce your security
[15:53] <bigcalm> directhex: one for you http://batlesbo.tumblr.com/post/87305350550
[15:55] <diddledan> I hate that folk go into the wordpress channel and ask for edge-case help but refuse to show any examples because they erroneously think they're being clever by not telling anyone their web address
[15:55] <diddledan> bigcalm - a sloth?!
[15:56] <bigcalm> diddledan: I was surprised about that one as well. Dangerous claws
[15:56] <diddledan> that's cuteness overload
[15:56] <diddledan> what's the last one?
[15:57] <bigcalm> Raccoon?
[15:57] <diddledan> aah, I was thinking a firefox :-p
[15:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:57] <diddledan> what do you mean there's no such thing as a firefox?!
[15:58] <diddledan> I stand corrected, there is
[15:58] <diddledan> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=firefox&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fqqIU871DrXJsQSu7IKwCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1278&bih=668#q=firefox%20animal&revid=1228104664&tbm=isch
[16:28] <daftykins> it's a nickname for the Red Panda
[16:28] <daftykins> afaik
[16:36] <diddledan> foo, just waited on the phone for nearly 30 minutes to talk to the tax people
[16:36] <diddledan> that sucksors when you only need a simple query
[16:45] <daftykins> mmhmm
[16:46] <daftykins> i nearly had a massive shock just before, i thought i'd found more flight holes from woodworm up in another room
[16:46] <daftykins> but i think they're older ones
[18:38] <daftykins> popey: you've done ISO booting from GRUB before, right?
[18:38] <daftykins> did you ever run into streaming errors of "/init line 3 can't open /dev/sr0 "
[18:45] <daftykins> hmm maybe that ISO just isn't designed for booting of that style
[19:07] <daftykins> diddledan: i'm amazed you didn't get some infighting for that XP troll link ;)
[19:07] <daftykins> perhaps the ops are relaxing these days
[19:07] <diddledan> lol
[19:07] <diddledan> daftykins, maybe because I made it clear it was intended to be assy?
[19:08] <daftykins> ugh an ISO 6MB too large for a CD-R
[19:08]  * daftykins shakes his fists
[19:08] <diddledan> >.<
[19:08] <daftykins> 9MB/sec over 130Mb wireless through a wooden floor \o/
[19:12]  * diddledan spits on your wireless
[19:13] <daftykins> i'm in the lounge on my laptop *shrug*
[19:13] <daftykins> don't be hating!
[19:15] <diddledan> I'm plugged-in
[19:20] <diddledan> they're making me hungry now, talking about chips
[19:20] <daftykins> diddledan: oven fried, with scampi
[19:21] <diddledan> I would guess mentioning it in there would be considered trolling :-p
[19:36] <diddledan> good news or bad? http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/mgm-warner-bros-reboot-stargate/
[19:36] <diddledan> how likely are they to respect the three tv series?
[19:37] <shauno> they're worth any respect?
[19:45] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y4
[19:47] <daftykins> diddledan: my interpretation of an article i read was that they were considering the film alone
[19:48] <diddledan> daftykins, that's what I figured
[20:17] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:17] <daftykins> so this guy i know wants to build a cheap home server
[20:17] <daftykins> his idea is to start with some disks now, then maybe add some later, with them all in one pool
[20:17] <daftykins> it sounds like the scenario where LVM is appropriate, but i've never touched it before... is it really... safe? :D
[20:41] <daftykins> nobody? :)
[20:51] <foobarry> yes but popey will tell you of btrgs
[20:51] <foobarry> btrfs
[20:51] <foobarry> and i will tell you of dedicated nas boxen
[20:52] <foobarry> unless it's for learning..
[20:52] <foobarry> off to bed nighty night
[20:52] <diddledan> it's friday!
[20:52] <diddledan> friday = stay awake until you pass out day
[21:02] <shauno> purrrdy much
[21:05] <diddledan> well done america: https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10338252_961493367213450_2473946443256384171_n.jpg
[21:09] <daftykins> hrmm yis btrfs
[21:13] <diddledan> lol, the EU is becoming farsical: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641817/Brussels-ignores-anger-EU-demands-Britain-pays-ANOTHER-500million-despite-damning-election-results.html
[21:13] <diddledan> to be fair, and to redress some sort of balance, that's the daily mail
[21:18] <shauno> why's it still legal to link to DM :/
[21:19] <daftykins> XD
[23:30] <ging> does anyone know on the ubuntu installer manual network config, it asks for a name server, can you have 2 ? how do you seperate them if you can?