[06:25] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:41] <bduk1> More Almal
[06:46] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy  bduk1  and everyone else
[06:47] <mazal> Môre oom , Greame
[07:20] <Kilos> hi maz
[07:20] <Kilos> oh my musta falling in a mine
[07:21] <Kilos> i go take sheep out
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[07:33] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[08:00] <Kilos> hi Xethron  inetpro  plustwo  superfly  
[08:02] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos
[08:02] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[08:09] <Vince-0> surp
[08:16] <Kilos> hi Golynx  
[08:17] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:17] <Golynx> a damn process sucked all my data 
[08:18] <Golynx> i had the same issue before but with a different process
[08:34] <Xethron> greetings peeps
[08:35] <Vince-0> surp
[09:10] <Kilos> hi gremble  N8Wulf  
[09:11] <gremble> o/ Kilos 
[09:11] <superfly> bye!
[09:15] <Kilos> oi! superfly  whats with the bye?
[09:15] <Kilos> didnt i greet you today?
[09:19] <Kilos> error (main) couldnt generate image invisible.png while building texture when i open minetest
[09:19] <Kilos> what must i do please guys?
[09:20] <Kilos> maybe thats why i cant build straight up
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh Kilos did i tell you i managed to find my bones from that time i accidentally fell into the centre of a lava lake
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> it turns out they sink to the bottom of the lava lake, so once i'd watered and mined obsidian like 3 layers down i stumbled upon the bones
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> good thing too i had lots of mese and diamonds on me at the time
[09:41] <Kilos> wow ThatGraemeGuy  great, i told you one they they would pitch up
[09:42] <Kilos> mese is a pain in my life
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Ores says that it gets more common at around -256
[09:43] <Kilos> someone started a new mine right next to my houseand also mine in a disorganised fashion
[09:43] <Kilos> ive been to -392 and also found min but stronger
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait until they're inside and drop some lava inside the entrance :-D
[09:44] <Kilos> the desert mine goes to -392
[09:44] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's a desert mine?
[09:45] <Kilos> ya man that one where you found the way out
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh wow is it that deep? :-o
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i want to go to -1024 and find some mese blocks
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wonder if anyone's ever gone down to like -32000 and how long it takes to get there/back up
[09:50]  * Squirm yawns
[09:50] <Squirm> going to go and watch Crash Car Burn :D
[09:50] <Squirm> tonight
[09:51] <Kilos> yip its a major ladder drop
[09:51] <Kilos> actually was a ladder climb and you did the last bit where i ran out of wood remember
[09:52] <Kilos> i battle to find my way to the desert mine and back again. get confused with the junctions in the road
[09:53] <Kilos> thats why i mine straight down as well
[09:54] <Kilos> we need to mark routes nicely with different colour blocks
[09:59] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  even gravel just in the branches off the main shaft so one can get back again will work
[09:59] <Kilos> so every branch leeds back to the shaft
[09:59] <Kilos> leads
[10:00] <Kilos> and the desert mine is safe , its past the lava
[10:00] <Squirm> how do I find you guys?
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: that's why i like to use a lot of cobble steps and torches, it makes it more obvious where you came from and where to go next
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that's why we almost got lost after that lava killing episode, because i rushed in and forgot to leave steps and lights
[10:03] <Kilos> lol ya whew
[10:04] <Kilos> i get totally lost if i gotta turn around
[10:05] <Kilos> how you gonna use scroll right and left click onna fone Squirm  
[10:06] <Squirm> it'll have it's buttons
[10:06] <Squirm> what linux client do you use?
[10:06] <Kilos> ubuntu has minetest in the repos
[10:07] <Squirm> ok, I have it
[10:07] <Kilos> they actually work quite hard on it if you watch #minetest
[10:08] <Kilos> some clever kids there
[10:13] <Squirm> it's stuck downloading media
[11:17] <superfly> Kilos: I went out... and now I'm going out again for the rest of the day... bye!
[11:17] <mobilemonkey> Lunchtime!
[11:22] <Vince-0> whoot
[11:22] <Vince-0> didn't realise it was Friday
[11:23] <Vince-0> Maaz, tell magespawn how's your Asterisk treating you?
[11:23] <Maaz> Vince-0: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[11:34] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, what do you do when you find your bones. I have two lying somewhere that I know where they are , but I can't pick them up or anything
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> right-click them and you'll get to see the stuff you had at the time you died
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks just like a chest basically
[11:35] <mazal> Can I take it then back ?
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[11:35] <mazal> Awesome !!! Thanx
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think for something like 20 mins after you die only the owner of the bones can take stuff, and after that anyone can
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> so hopefully nobody decided to rob your corpse ;-)
[11:36] <mazal> Going to get my stuff right now. Already died twice in lava :P
[11:36] <mazal> And know exactly where they are lying
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> on the edge of lava i assume?
[11:37] <mazal> Yep
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> i feel on top of a lava lake, and my bones sank to the bottom of the lava
[11:37] <mazal> ish
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> took a lot of water and obsidian mining before i could eventually get to them
[11:37] <mazal> Is obsidian good for anything ?
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really
[11:38] <mazal> Can you throw water directly on lava ?
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can craft a block into 9 shards, and shards can be smelted into obsidian glass, which looks different to normal sand-based glass
[11:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can, but its tricky
[11:39] <mazal> gonna go try now
[11:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you look carefully at lava you will see some blocks look like they are flowing, and you may notice the lava is angled a bit
[11:39] <mazal> And somme get my stuff back from the bones
[11:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> then there are others that look static and are a perfect flat cube
[11:40] <mazal> yep
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> the flat, static ones are source blocks
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> water onto those turns them to obsidian
[11:40] <mazal> cool , thanx
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> the non-source ones turn to stone when they contact water
[11:43] <Kilos> hahaha lekker warning message ThatGraemeGuy  
[11:43] <Kilos> i was sure i built a lit tower here
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> the best is when you encounter a lake, try and position yourself above it and usually there's a side of the lake that's only source blocks, then you put a water block down there
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> which warning is that?
[12:04] <mazal> Works like a bomb !!! I'm busy killing my killer !!! Revenge is sweet :)
[12:05] <mazal> Thanx ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> from now on you will not run from lava in terror ;-)
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i like the lava lakes because they tend to be surrounded by all types of ores
[12:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> go in, water it down and mine like crazy
[12:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i didn't mention just now, but there's no need to leave the water there, i let it run over the lava and then left-click it back in the bucket for later use
[13:31] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  now desert mine entrance is as it was meant to be
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh?
[13:37] <Kilos> ladder all the way to the top
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[14:04] <Squirm> Pmb time
[14:05] <Squirm> Crash Car Burn tonight
[14:44] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[14:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:50] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[14:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[15:12] <theblazehen> o/
[15:12] <theblazehen> hi
[16:11] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[16:12] <Kilos> yay i found my way home
[16:12] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  you not going home?
[16:13] <Kilos> tumbleweed  you still here by us?
[16:13] <Kilos> Private_User  so tell us about it man
[16:15] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[16:15] <Private_User> tell you about?
[16:18] <Kilos> lubuntu man
[16:19] <Private_User> lol I was just about to talk about "it" i.e. the word it
[16:19] <Private_User> HAHAHA
[16:20] <Private_User> its a pronoun by the way for this who did not know
[16:20] <Kilos> is it working? has the pc crashed or what?
[16:20] <Private_User> hehe
[16:20] <Private_User> ah have not had a chance to look at it although
[16:20] <Kilos> ai!
[16:20] <Private_User> yesterday I left it on without touching it
[16:20] <Kilos> you windows peeps and your priorities
[16:20] <Private_User> and it seems to have froze
[16:21] <Kilos> i suppose thats an unupdated/upgraded install
[16:21] <Private_User> so I switched it off and was gonna look at it during my Nite Surfer time to perform updates etc but I fell asleep :(
[16:22] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> well boot iand we run a file system chaeck
[16:22] <theblazehen> hey Kilos 
[16:23] <Private_User> I am wondering if I should re-image it but I doubt its gonna work with 14.04
[16:23] <Kilos> whew typos
[16:23] <Kilos> what release is installed?
[16:23] <Private_User> 12.04
[16:23] <Kilos> still supported but 14.04 is better methinks
[16:24] <Private_User> remember I had issues with any version above 12.04
[16:24] <Kilos> and no heavier
[16:24] <Private_User> could never get it to install
[16:24] <Private_User> maybe 14.04 will be different I can give it a try
[16:24] <Kilos> hmm... i dont rermember but any way
[16:26] <Private_User> ok I have not downloaded Lubuntu 14.04 on Ubuntu 14.04 wondering if 512MB ram is enough for Ubuntu... I doubt it
[16:26] <Private_User> *only
[16:27] <Kilos> it might install but will be slow
[16:28] <Private_User> ok hang on let me move this laptop into the room with the desktop we can mess around with it and maybe fix any issues that might be existing. I think tonight during Nite Surfer time I will update it and maybe download Lubuntu 14.04
[16:28] <Kilos> even xubuntu is lighter
[16:28] <Private_User> lighter than L?
[16:29] <Kilos> xubuntu much faster than unity
[16:29] <Kilos> no l is lightest
[16:31] <Private_User> ok and it works fine with regards to performance on the desktop so will leave it as is until I can upgrade or maybe change the laptop OS but I was going to but if clients need me to have a win machine then I would be in a bit of a pickle since I do not even have a copy of any version of win
[16:31] <Kilos> all it needs is more ram
[16:32] <Kilos> 2g would be ideal
[16:32] <Private_User> yep I have 2 slots on the desktop and both filled with 256MB
[16:32] <Kilos> ddr?
[16:32] <Kilos> or ddr2
[16:33] <Private_User> hmm... DDR I think I will have to double check
[16:33] <Kilos> ai!
[16:33] <Private_User> ok let me go get a snack or maybe even dinner then we can start playing around with Lubuntu
[16:34] <Kilos> i struggled to get ddr for my other pc
[16:34] <Private_User> ah ok so you guessing it won't be easy to upgrade?
[16:35] <Private_User> its cool it serves the purpose for now
[16:35] <Kilos> it is available at pc repair shops but they charge more than for ddr3 the swines
[16:35] <Private_User> lol
[16:35] <Private_User> typical
[16:35] <Private_User> always ripping people off
[16:36] <Kilos> i have a couple of 500mb cards here 
[16:36] <Private_User> ok brb
[16:36] <Kilos> need full particulars of the cards though, im not sure which are which
[17:05] <kbmonkey> evening folks
[18:13] <theblazehen> hey kbmonkey 
[18:29] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[18:30] <superfly> ohi
[18:48] <Private_User> back
[19:06] <Private_User> Kilos: you off to bed?
[19:06] <Kilos> nearly
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe 30 mins
[19:07] <Private_User> ah ok do you think I should re-image this Lubuntu machine or how can I check if all is well but if this will take a while then we can do it tomorrow
[19:08] <Private_User> cause I was doing nothing on it and it was like it was frozen just now so had to reset machine
[19:10] <Private_User> ok where are all the package updates stored so if I do re-install then I don't have to use up data again for updates?
[19:11] <Kilos> you have a stick to save them to??
[19:11] <Private_User> yep
[19:12] <Kilos> sudo rsync -ac /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/ stick/ folder/
[19:12] <Kilos> after archives/ thats the path to the folder on the stick
[19:13] <Kilos> sorry sorry -av
[19:13] <Private_User> ok yhis command I run to save the updates to stick or update the machine after re-install?
[19:13] <Kilos>  sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /path to folder on stick/
[19:13] <Private_User> *this
[19:14] <Kilos> \you reverse the command then do sudo apt-get update and it will see what you have
[19:15] <Kilos> but there will most likely be a lot of upgrades because you months behind
[19:15] <Kilos> years actually
[19:15] <Kilos> so anything up to about 400m
[19:16] <Private_User> ok cool but still not sure if I should reload or just perform updates tonight and maybe look at it tomorrow  for any issues etc
[19:17] <Kilos> well does it boot?
[19:17] <Private_User> yep but it like suddenly just does not respond without me touching it
[19:17] <Kilos> if it boots then run sudo apt-get update
[19:18] <Kilos> was it ever updated/upgraded
[19:18] <Private_User> yep it was
[19:18] <Kilos> update sees whats available
[19:18] <Kilos> upgrade fetches the packages
[19:19] <Kilos> so update hardly ever more than 20m
[19:19] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[19:19] <Private_User> ok I will do the updates tonight i.e. during Nite Surfer time
[19:19] <Private_User> then tomorrow we can test and make sure all is well
[19:19] <Kilos> ok run this now lets see if we can sort the prob now
[19:20] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck then reboot
[19:21] <Private_User> ok its rebooting now
[19:21] <Kilos> should be stable after running that
[19:22] <Kilos> thats a filesystem check
[19:22] <Private_User> ok cool and if anything was wrong it would have told me correct?
[19:22] <Private_User> cause its now at login screen
[19:22] <Kilos> then its sorted
[19:22] <Kilos> do you have aptitude installed?
[19:23] <Private_User> ok cool then I will perform updates later
[19:23] <Private_User> aptitude I think I might let me check
[19:23] <Kilos> Private_User  do you have aptitude installed
[19:23] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[19:24] <Kilos> then here are your update commands
[19:24] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[19:24] <Kilos> sudo aptitude upgrade
[19:25] <Private_User> ok how would I confirm if its installed Synaptic Package Manager?
[19:25] <Kilos> aptitude does kernels and all else where apt-get dont do the kernel stuff
[19:26] <Private_User> ok cool I will run these commands after 00:00 cause I assume its gonna get them from the repositories
[19:26] <Kilos> it will be marked green in synaptic
[19:26] <Private_User> ah there is a tick
[19:26] <Kilos> cool
[19:26] <Private_User> installed version 0.6.6-1ubuntu1.2
[19:27] <Kilos> so there are your commands
[19:27] <Kilos> aptitude dont worry about versions it always works
[19:27] <Private_User> ok cool I will run them
[19:28] <Kilos> it also tells you if it sees p[robs and lets you choose what it suggests as solutions
[19:28] <Kilos> i always trust aptitude
[19:28] <captine> Kilos, thanks for that rsync command.  Am using it now to backup my archives...
[19:28] <captine> :)
[19:28] <captine> PS. Hi all
[19:28] <Private_User> ok cool
[19:28] <Kilos> haha you welcome captine  
[19:29] <captine> Kilos, I am wiping my ubuntu machine and loading osx on it to lend it to someone as a test for a couple days.
[19:29] <captine> back to my acer with ubuntu on it...
[19:29] <captine> :)
[19:29] <Kilos> rsync has saved me tons of data
[19:32] <Kilos> i actually make a storage partition at the end of the drive and rsync to there
[19:32] <Kilos> much faster than to a stick 
[19:38] <Kilos> captine  if youve used apt-get clean or auto clean there wont be mouch in the archives
[19:38] <Kilos> much
[19:39] <Kilos> also one needs to tell synaptic in the beginning to keep all archives
[19:40] <captine> never used that
[19:41] <captine> i dont mind re-downloading... jsut takes long.  i was running an apt-cache server which was GREAT.  any machine would get it's downloads from that, at 20MB/s
[19:41] <captine> if it was cached
[19:41] <Kilos> cool
[19:45] <captine> kilos, think you were 100% correct.  not many files left in my local archives folder.... darn
[19:45] <captine> oh well.  will be a big download.
[19:45] <captine> just need to backup the installs I have so i can quickly re-install everything
[19:46] <Kilos> haha if you dont tell synaptic to save them then it throws some away on its own
[19:47] <captine> am hoping to get 2 IBM 2U's and an old Novel based server for home.  will then have a decent proxy running to store all this stuff....  old machines, but will be fun to do all this storage stuff
[19:47] <Kilos> also when using apt-get to install a package it tells you that some other package isnt needed anymore run apt-get clean to remove it and it clears out your archives
[19:47] <Kilos> that is one of the reasons i use aptitude
[19:48] <Kilos> that would be nice
[19:48] <Kilos> if you got no cap then you can get the whole repo when you sleeping
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight