| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/fUAnvXhRHYcO0v7kxmPw/ - http://paste.openstack.org/show/yACaC0Bxs7v4vR09QAaX | 00:06 |
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| knome | mhm | 00:08 |
| knome | now write it in a file. | 00:08 |
| Unit193 | The point of that is so it matches what's in the makefile now. | 00:11 |
| knome | right. | 00:11 |
| knome | well that's good. | 00:12 |
| Unit193 | Now, how do you want to handle `cd` and where it expects to be run from? :P | 00:14 |
| knome | no idea. | 00:14 |
| Unit193 | OK, so where's the file you want me to feed this into? | 00:16 |
| knome | huhu | 00:17 |
| knome | here's what i know i want | 00:17 |
| knome | http://paste.openstack.org/show/390DO9UEoWDKcGyOURTR/ | 00:17 |
| knome | that in index.xml. | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | Also, I know it's not supposed to be === fi === :P | 00:17 |
| knome | and note the href value | 00:18 |
| knome | that's where the translators file should be. | 00:18 |
| knome | i don' | 00:18 |
| knome | i don't really mind where it is | 00:18 |
| knome | as long as it's not in the final installated files :) | 00:18 |
| knome | that paste could go to line 34 in index.xml | 00:19 |
| knome | this is the "do not avoid printing the paragraph if there is no translators" way | 00:19 |
| knome | but i think we should start with that | 00:19 |
| knome | because everything is set to work like that | 00:20 |
| Unit193 | Well we were thinking by language, weren't we? | 00:26 |
| knome | hmm, right | 00:26 |
| knome | it's not much different anyway | 00:27 |
| knome | this way we'll always get the paragraph there | 00:27 |
| knome | but let's get it working like this first. | 00:27 |
| Unit193 | I did, https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/build/desktop-guide/ln-idp43644284.html but it matters what way we go for a couple reasons... | 00:28 |
| knome | elaborate | 00:29 |
| Unit193 | Because of this: C/translators.xml:2: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document | 00:29 |
| Unit193 | <itemizedlist> | 00:29 |
| Unit193 | ^ | 00:29 |
| knome | what's the full contents of that file? | 00:30 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/x6M00aJ4hnYUoKZ35q6c/ or take out the para lines and you get the same dealio. | 00:30 |
| knome | as i said, the includeable file must have a single wrapping element | 00:31 |
| knome | so no para + itemizedlist | 00:31 |
| knome | but what do we need the para for anyway? | 00:31 |
| Unit193 | Alrighty, so just sort and uniq? :P | 00:31 |
| knome | the user should know he's reading the finnish translation. | 00:32 |
| * knome shrugs | 00:32 | |
| knome | what's wrong with the default order? | 00:32 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/gGVRjAvN9PmhmDLeVT4C count the knome. :P | 00:34 |
| knome | uhh... | 00:36 |
| knome | wait | 00:36 |
| knome | we do not want to show them *all* in *all* translations | 00:36 |
| knome | just pt in pt | 00:36 |
| knome | and fi in fi | 00:36 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, well that's fun. | 00:36 |
| knome | how so? we're already iterating through the languages one by one | 00:37 |
| knome | in both "ends" | 00:38 |
| Unit193 | Oh gosh this is annoying. >_< | 00:48 |
| * Unit193 waits for knome's proposal. | 00:48 | |
| knome | for what? :P | 00:48 |
| Unit193 | How to do it. | 00:49 |
| knome | well, you can save files like translators-fi.xml | 00:50 |
| knome | then when you are going through the translations themself, just get the lang code and cp translators-fi.xml translators.xml ? | 00:50 |
| Unit193 | Not the problem. | 00:51 |
| knome | what *is* ?:) | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | OK, I think I'm going to revert back to a clean working tree and hope the fix comes through bzr. :P | 00:54 |
| knome | wuz fix? | 00:56 |
| knome | tell me what's your problem? | 00:57 |
| knome | the included file not validating? | 00:57 |
| Unit193 | Parser errors out the wazoo, file isn't getting included but exists, etc, etc... | 00:57 |
| knome | make sure you don't have empty lines | 00:58 |
| Unit193 | I don't think I see anything that should be broken, but yet. | 01:02 |
| knome | can send me the files. | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | I don't understand this, I should ignore it and hope it goes away... | 01:03 |
| knome | i can look at them. | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/TnJ23AYsZnGDS84wCZbm - http://paste.openstack.org/show/o3qHnBBdb6Pr3nzMO6OB what's broken? | 01:07 |
| Unit193 | So wait, the translations are broken from a clean tree. \o/ | 01:12 |
| knome | uummph? | 01:13 |
| knome | it's 4am, maybe i should look at this tomorrow... | 01:16 |
| knome | i just can't follow the stuff at all, and it's most definitely not a problem at your end... | 01:17 |
| Unit193 | Well, some of it has to be, the translation credits have to be I think. | 01:17 |
| Unit193 | OK, good night. We should just pull slickymaster into it. ;) | 01:17 |
| knome | have to be what? | 01:17 |
| Unit193 | Some of the problem has to be my end, credits should work. | 01:17 |
| knome | dunno | 01:18 |
| knome | let's look at it tomorrow | 01:18 |
| Unit193 | Hah, yeeeey. :P | 01:19 |
| knome | i'm sure we'll get it fixed :) | 01:19 |
| Unit193 | Hah! Just as long as I don't have to be docs lead, or mess too much with Makefiles... | 01:20 |
| knome | you don't :P | 01:20 |
| knome | though definitions of "too much" might differ | 01:20 |
| * knome hides | 01:20 | |
| knome | i think i need to go to sleep. | 01:46 |
| knome | good night! | 01:46 |
| Logan_ | Noskcaj: you should offer to package https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=407380 | 01:51 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 407380 in wnpp "ITP: xfce4-eyes-plugin -- eyes plugin for Xfce panel" [Wishlist,Open] | 01:51 |
| Noskcaj | Logan_, Yeah, probably. I'll put it into the debian svn, but corsac is busy with other stuff this month | 04:24 |
| gry | brainwash: I did remove xfce4-indicator-plugin - I believe it should have unity as a dependency. | 04:50 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-indicator-plugin should have unity as a dep?? Heck to the no.. | 04:53 |
| Logan_ | wat | 05:29 |
| brainwash | knome: do you think that re-adding the "settings" category to the menu structure is valid option? bug 1310264 | 09:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 09:01 |
| brainwash | it would make the settings manager button redundant | 09:02 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Welcome back. | 09:07 |
| ochosi | thanks | 09:07 |
| ochosi | still no remote login | 09:07 |
| ochosi | what did i miss? | 09:07 |
| Unit193 | Mainly docs stuff, also link to bug 1310264 | 09:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 09:08 |
| brainwash | ochosi: simply add the settings category and remove the settings-manager button? | 09:10 |
| brainwash | or just keep the button | 09:10 |
| gry | brainwash: Hello? | 09:11 |
| brainwash | gry: yes? | 09:11 |
| brainwash | gry: did you resolve your problem? | 09:12 |
| gry | brainwash: Xubuntu is not shipped with unity by default, is it? And it is shipped with xfce4-indicator-something by default, isn't it? | 09:12 |
| brainwash | xubuntu does include unity's indicator stack by default | 09:12 |
| slickymasterWork | yes on both gry | 09:12 |
| gry | brainwash: Why is the unity indicator stack being included, out of curiousity? I don't have unity installed, and some apps didn't move over to the unity indicator. | 09:13 |
| brainwash | xfce4-indicator-plugin is a wrapper to display these unity indicators in Xubuntu | 09:13 |
| gry | I mean: what problem is being solved here? Why not stick to one thing instead of 2? | 09:14 |
| brainwash | it has been this way for many cycles | 09:14 |
| brainwash | starting with 14.04 we now support the new gtk3 indicators | 09:15 |
| gry | I've unfortunately been out of the loop since 12.04 or whatever that is. I just updated to 14.04, and you added a new indicator which has something to do with unity, but apps keep trying to move over to it despite unity not being installed. | 09:15 |
| gry | Some apps (notes, for example) also fail to move over. I don't think unity and gtk3 are that closely related - you can rewrite notification area in gtk3 if you like. | 09:16 |
| gry | You don't need to do it in utterly overcomplicated way like this. | 09:16 |
| brainwash | if an application supports the app indicator, it will be displayed in the indicator area, otherwise it will use the fallback solution (notification area) | 09:17 |
| gry | Okay, so I need to figure out what to do. Could you please tell me what is the role of unity in the new gtk3-supportive indicator applet. | 09:17 |
| brainwash | we only use some of unity's indicators | 09:18 |
| gry | What should I read to understand what unity does? And how complex is it to have notes in the new indicator applet? | 09:19 |
| brainwash | so it's not the whole unity desktop environment | 09:19 |
| gry | "What should I read to understand what unity does? " means things like "can it work with gtk3 without unity's indicators" and things like that. | 09:19 |
| brainwash | you will have to provide a patch for the notes apps | 09:19 |
| brainwash | basically there is no problem, because we include both indicator and notification area, so all tray icons should show up | 09:21 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Which all do, except Quassel. | 09:21 |
| gry | For new users yes - old users will upgrade and only have the notification area only. Not all of them know how to come to irc and ask questions, or how to add a second applet. | 09:21 |
| brainwash | oh, what about other QT apps? | 09:21 |
| Unit193 | If they support the newer API, sure. VLC does fine, as does (mostly) Skype. | 09:22 |
| brainwash | gry: right, migrating user configurations is a permanent problem | 09:22 |
| Unit193 | s/problem/feature/ some, including me, would say. | 09:22 |
| brainwash | old user accounts won't switch to whisker menu either, etc | 09:23 |
| gry | I would think you're trying to make things compatible. I.e. if you can write some more core for notification area, do that - it will be less confusing? | 09:23 |
| gry | core -^code | 09:23 |
| brainwash | as of now we are glad that things work how they work | 09:24 |
| gry | Sorry? | 09:25 |
| brainwash | and like I said before, you can always remove the indicator area from the panel, it's optional | 09:25 |
| gry | It's not. When I remove it, the apps don't figure out how to put themselves to notification area. | 09:25 |
| brainwash | stock Xfce does not ship the indicator area, so it is optional | 09:26 |
| gry | Okay. I uninstalled xfce4-indicator-plugin -- I will check what works and what doesn't, after I log out and log in. | 09:26 |
| brainwash | right, please do | 09:26 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i'm in favor of adding the category to the menu, but it will be a regression for those using the traditional appmenu | 09:27 |
| Unit193 | Do we need the website links, still? | 09:27 |
| gry | Okay, it works now, everything is in notification area. Where did the indicator applet come from? Is it builtin? If not, I'll blame user error.. | 09:28 |
| Unit193 | You can also remove indicator-* packages if you'd like, and some other libs. | 09:28 |
| brainwash | ochosi: will people with the classic app menu complain about the extra category? | 09:29 |
| gry | ? | 09:29 |
| brainwash | gry: xfce4-indicator-plugin is only the panel plugin, you can also remove the actual indicator packages (indicator-*) | 09:31 |
| gry | I understood that. Thanks. The panel plugin is not builtin? I am trying to understand where it came from. | 09:31 |
| brainwash | it's an external panel plugin | 09:32 |
| brainwash | or what do you mean exactly? | 09:32 |
| brainwash | external panel plugins are shipped in their own packages | 09:32 |
| brainwash | the notification area (internal plugin) is part of xfce4-panel | 09:33 |
| ochosi | anyway folks, my connection continues to be shaky as always, if important stuff comes up, just email me | 09:38 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Perhaps email Lyz with requested login details? | 09:39 |
| gry | brainwash: I guess it would make sense for ubuntu to wait for xfce to go gtk3. Before it does, all apps -- including gtk3 ones -- appear to be happy with gtk2. Unity-based things look to be a waste of time, xfce folks would get to it in a compatible way so any app that talks to xfce would magically talk to a new notification area -- that's how I define compatibility. | 09:48 |
| ochosi | Unit193: it just feels like a possibly useless effort, and i can't even get/access my irssi profile folder for the moment, so i'd have to do that all over again (=waste of time) | 09:49 |
| gry | That's what my expectations are, anyway. I also grepped the gzipped logs and I see that I upgraded the indicator plugin recently, but I didn't install it myself, so something was shipped with it and didn't uninstall it properly (I had gnome-ish ubuntu desktop installed before). | 09:49 |
| gry | So I just see that it's not built-in like you said and hope that it'll be available as an extra ever since, but if other users ask, it should be interesting where they got it from. I dunno where I did. | 09:50 |
| brainwash | it should be installed by default if xubuntu-desktop is installed | 09:51 |
| brainwash | it's part of the xubuntu experience | 09:51 |
| brainwash | and works fine for most people (we did much testing) | 09:51 |
| knome | Unit193, i thought we dropped the links already. | 09:52 |
| gry | brainwash: "Works fine for most people" to have two borders around two different applets when only one would suffice? How is it better than using the old one? | 09:52 |
| Unit193 | knome: xubuntu-default-settings: /usr/share/xubuntu/applications/xubuntu-website.desktop Still. | 09:53 |
| knome | Unit193, i noticed the same, but at least they are not in the main menu. | 09:53 |
| knome | i mean, the root level | 09:53 |
| knome | or are they? :) | 09:53 |
| brainwash | gry: sadly this discussion seems to lead nowhere :/ | 09:53 |
| knome | gry, with the old way, not all of the indicators worked. | 09:54 |
| knome | gry, if you are willing to patch that (and make it work with gtk3), it's very welcome | 09:54 |
| knome | gry, otherwise, we will keep using what we use now since at least all the things work now. | 09:54 |
| knome | gry, if you don't like that, you can use the old way and miss some of the indicators | 09:54 |
| gry | I don't know where else to ask, I need some more details. If you give me some thoughts on what did not work, I'll check and consider fixing. | 09:55 |
| knome | gry, or fix the old stack. | 09:55 |
| gry | I'm just conservative. I don't like new things, especially if they're builtin and the entity of problems they address is empty. | 09:55 |
| gry | While xfce folks would convert their stuff to gtk3 smoother anyway. | 09:56 |
| gry | I'd be happy to stop complaining and fix the old stack - what are its problems? | 09:56 |
| knome | i'm not technical enough to point out the exact problems, but others can, and ultimately, it's all on the logs. | 09:57 |
| Unit193 | knome: They are. | 09:57 |
| gry | I would probably look at some sort of bug tracker but I've never found launchpad intuitive without some sort of kicks | 09:57 |
| knome | Unit193, oh. not the whiskermenu favs? :) | 09:58 |
| Unit193 | I don't use whisker. | 09:58 |
| gry | it would have to be in xfce's bug tracker probably, but I've not used that either | 09:58 |
| knome | Unit193, they aren't | 09:58 |
| knome | Unit193, so i guess it's a good idea actually... those who keep on using the old menu will still see them. | 09:58 |
| Unit193 | Meh. | 09:59 |
| knome | gry, i appreciate that you are saying you are willing to help, but seriously, i don't know how much time i should use to help you if you can't seem to be comfortable using a bug tracker | 09:59 |
| knome | Unit193, i'm also with dropping them. | 09:59 |
| brainwash | gry: xubuntu 12.04 already ships with xfce4-indicator-plugin (for gtk2 indicators) and the notification area | 09:59 |
| knome | err, good. | 09:59 |
| brainwash | gry: so having both areas in the panel is nothing new | 10:00 |
| gry | knome: it's more of "which tracker to use" than "how to use it" -- I'm not very familiar with whose problems to fix, distro's ones or xfce's ones | 10:00 |
| Unit193 | knome: Oh, and anyone else I should ping/add to the merge proposal for -core? | 10:01 |
| gry | also, if you feel that I'm too lazy, feel free to ask me to sleep more; I'm not sleeping well at all | 10:01 |
| knome | Unit193, well you probably should be corresponding mainly with ochosi now :) | 10:01 |
| gry | brainwash: I'm not looking at new things that fix unknown problems before I give up fixing unknown problems | 10:01 |
| Unit193 | knome: Already set him as reviewer and talked to him, grabbing you because :online: :P | 10:01 |
| knome | ^ see | 10:01 |
| knome | :P | 10:01 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Alrighty, anyone else I should snag/ping/add to the -core merge proposal for reviewing? | 10:02 |
| brainwash | gry: so I guess that you should start with porting Xfce to gtk3 and then somehow merge the indicator plugin into the notification area | 10:03 |
| gry | yup, I think the xfce folks are doing something in that direction already | 10:04 |
| brainwash | they do, but they need help to speed up the process :) | 10:04 |
| gry | without using unity stuff - so it's up to fixing old applet and then writing it in new gtk3 | 10:04 |
| gry | yes I agree | 10:05 |
| gry | I'll look at what they're doing and shout back if I have issues, that should be a decent way | 10:05 |
| ochosi | Unit193: no, i wanted to talk to elfy but couldn't get a hold of him yet (or maybe he couldn't get a hold of me) | 10:06 |
| Unit193 | Cool, so I'll just sit tight, no problem. | 10:06 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| ochosi | bluesabre: what's the status on the lls and xfpm uploads btw? | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | I think they're both in utopic now and ready to SRU/backport to trusty | 10:20 |
| ochosi | the SRU hasn't been filed yet i suppose? | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | that's correct | 10:21 |
| ochosi | i see... | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | I haven't had a chance to do much the past two days | 10:21 |
| ochosi | sure, not blaming you in case you thought that ;) | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | was hoping to catch up tonight or tomorrow morning ;) | 10:21 |
| ochosi | i've been a bit disconnected | 10:21 |
| ochosi | just don't wanna lose track too much on this | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I'm on top of it :) | 10:25 |
| elfy | not being connected makes it a bit hard to talk to people :p | 10:30 |
| knome | here we see the perfect example of the IRC-centric thinking/workflow ;) | 10:31 |
| elfy | trello ftw | 10:31 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can you please take a look at bug 1324811 | 10:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1324811 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Please disable by default "Use the mouse wheel on the desktop to switch workspaces"" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324811 | 10:46 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'm about for 30 minutes now - then back in a couple of hours | 10:47 |
| ochosi | elfy: just read your email | 10:49 |
| ochosi | so yeah, i guess it's easiest then if we merge core so testers can do what they always do | 10:49 |
| elfy | yea - that would be favourite | 10:50 |
| elfy | that's what Unit193 and I discussed for this | 10:50 |
| ochosi | ok | 10:50 |
| ochosi | i'm fine with that, so let's merge it | 10:50 |
| elfy | k - cool | 10:50 |
| ochosi | elfy, Unit193: ok, it's merged (in case the previous one didn't catch you :)) | 10:59 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - thanks | 11:00 |
| elfy | I'll check that out soon and then Unit193 and I can come up with some testing plan | 11:00 |
| slickymasterWork | hey elfy, knome | 11:05 |
| knome | hello slickymasterWork | 11:05 |
| slickymasterWork | next tuesday meeting plan is all setup | 11:06 |
| slickymasterWork | just a question though, id the Debian liaison issue been dropped | 11:07 |
| slickymasterWork | ochosi: ^^ | 11:07 |
| slickymasterWork | s/id(is | 11:07 |
| elfy | pretty sure Unit193 is that | 11:07 |
| elfy | today was the day for anyone to say anything afaik | 11:07 |
| slickymasterWork | so, it's done with, for sure | 11:08 |
| elfy | actually 2 days ago | 11:08 |
| elfy | just need to XPL to do the 'officialising' it I think :) | 11:08 |
| slickymasterWork | ok elfy, thanks for the heads up on that | 11:09 |
| elfy | that's my understanding of it all at least :) | 11:09 |
| slickymasterWork | np, I'll bring it up anway | 11:10 |
| slickymasterWork | if nothing it will server to make it official | 11:10 |
| elfy | suspect it will be an Announcement rather than anything else | 11:10 |
| slickymasterWork | yes | 11:11 |
| elfy | wandering now - bbl | 11:11 |
| slickymasterWork | until then elfy | 11:11 |
| slickymasterWork | lunch time for me -> | 11:12 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yes, the debian liaison issue is dropped, i'll announce Unit193 on the ML shortly | 11:16 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i did take a look at that bugreport now, i have no idea whether that takes precedence (it would be a bit silly if it did though) | 11:33 |
| brainwash | ochosi: thanks, I have no clue either, I just assume that it works just fine | 11:34 |
| slickymasterWork | lol ochosi, you're really mimicking me | 12:36 |
| slickymasterWork | are you sure we're not using the same ISP ;) | 12:36 |
| drc | clear | 14:38 |
| elfy | with expected showers | 14:41 |
| drc | tomorrow: Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. | 14:44 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: How do you feel about pushing a NEW package in for Xubuntu? pkg-xfce isn't really interested in it. | 20:00 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, Which package? | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: It'd not be seeded, but xfdashboard. Not for sure we want it available, but might. | 20:05 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | I already have all the packaging done, except for some description changes. | 20:07 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: sure | 20:31 |
| Logan_ | why doesn't Debian want it? | 20:31 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: While you're bumping people, you should bump Matthias Klose about parsedatetime, it's a little broken. | 20:31 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: I think it's more just not interested/not enough time. | 20:31 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, I will soon. Have to finish this upower stuff first | 20:32 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: I'm leaving for NYC now, but I can definitely do it later/tomorrow | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Have fun! But this wasn't a thing for this week, just perhaps this cycle. | 20:39 |
| Logan_ | kk | 20:39 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, parsedatetime is probably fixed in 1.2. I doubt doko would care if you updated it | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | It is fixed in 1.2, that's what I'm using. | 20:54 |
| Noskcaj | Why not make a merge then | 21:02 |
| Unit193 | They tend to be a huge pain for something so simple. | 21:06 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 21:08 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: Isn't it (LP: #1302963) ? | 21:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1302963 in parsedatetime (Ubuntu) "Calendar() class can not be initialized" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302963 | 21:12 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, Merge is now up | 21:21 |
| Unit193 | So I should delete mine, I see. I targetted the wrong location it seems anyway, meh. | 21:22 |
| Unit193 | lp-propose really fails badly now. :/ | 21:22 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: Do you know why when you branch from lp:ubuntu/parsedatetime, lp-propose wants to merge to lp:parsedatetime? | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | nope. Although i don't use lp-propose | 21:28 |
| Unit193 | I really like the idea, and it used to work better. :/ | 21:28 |
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