[00:27] <SamwiseGamgee> What is the latest stable release for Kubuntu?
[00:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Should I install Kubuntu 12.04 onto my old AMD Athlon PC?
[00:28] <keithzg_> Latest stable is 14.04
[00:28] <SamwiseGamgee> Is it called Kubuntu 14.04?  Is this a reliable operating system?
[00:29] <keithzg_> It is called "Kubuntu", the version is "14.04", which corresponds to 2014-04 (the release date). It's pretty reliable, I run it on all my desktops and laptops, but as with any software YMMV.
[00:33] <SamwiseGamgee> YMMV?
[00:33] <SamwiseGamgee> What does YMMV mean?
[00:35] <keithzg_> It means the work day is done, I'm going to go get a beer :P
[00:43] <DarthFrog> SamwiseGamgee:  Your Mileage May Vary.
[00:44] <SamwiseGamgee> you mean how long it will last?
[00:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Whose mileage?  What mileage?  Mileage for what?
[00:44] <DarthFrog> No, not at all.  It's a cultural reference to automobile commercials on TV.
[00:45] <DarthFrog> Ads used to proclaim mileage in their ads but qualified their claims by YMMV.
[00:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, depending on how you treat your car and how you drive, your mileage will vary, right?
[00:45] <DarthFrog> And that's been picked up in popular culture.
[00:46] <DarthFrog> Correct.  The car companies always advertise the absolute best but then qualify it. :-)
[00:46] <SamwiseGamgee> I see how that relates to a PC, but not to software
[00:46] <DarthFrog> !YMMV
[00:46] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, that makes more sense
[00:47] <DarthFrog> As I said, it's pop culture and is used everywhere. :-)
[00:47] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks
[00:47] <DarthFrog> np
[00:47] <SamwiseGamgee> that makes sense now
[00:47] <DarthFrog> I take it you're not a native English speaker?
[00:48] <SamwiseGamgee> Iḿ Canadian
[00:48] <DarthFrog> Quebecois?
[00:48] <DarthFrog> I'm in BC.
[00:48] <SamwiseGamgee> I don´t watch much TV
[00:49] <DarthFrog> I see.  You have a life, instead? :-)
[00:49] <LelouchVIBrittan> Guys can i ask 1 question?
[00:49] <DarthFrog> !ask
[00:49] <SamwiseGamgee> It looks like the best version of Kubuntu to install is Kubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr, is that right?
[00:50] <DarthFrog> SamwiseGamgee: I really like 14.04.  WFM. YMMV. :-)
[00:50] <DarthFrog> And it is a LTS.
[00:50] <DarthFrog> !LTS
[00:50] <SamwiseGamgee> How many GB of hard disk space do I need for Kubuntu 14.04?  is 40 GB enough?
[00:50] <LelouchVIBrittan> i am not familiar with software and i have Windows 8.1 and i am thinking about installing Kubuntu 14.04..Is it a good idea or not?
[00:50] <DarthFrog> LelouchVIBrittan: It's a brilliant idea!
[00:51] <DarthFrog> SamwiseGamgee: You don't give enough information to provide a proper answer.  What do you want to do with the OS?
[00:51] <SamwiseGamgee> Where can I download Kubuntu 14.04 from?
[00:51] <DarthFrog> !download
[00:52] <SamwiseGamgee> I will be using it for movies, Netflix, music, photography and word processing
[00:52] <LelouchVIBrittan> You know daily use i am not a crazy gamer i just play 2-3 games only
[00:52] <DarthFrog> OK, 40 GB seems small if you're going to be filling it up with A/V multimedia.
[00:53] <DarthFrog> The OS only needs 10 GB to be comfortable.  The rest is for your stuff.
[00:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I will be hooking up another hard drive with circa 120 GB later, but right now the system drive only has 40 GB, is that enough to test it?
[00:53] <DarthFrog> For testing?  Plenty!
[00:53] <DarthFrog> What CPU, how much RAM?
[00:54] <SamwiseGamgee> Itś an AMD Athlon, the processor
[00:54] <Chaser> !netflix
[00:54] <DarthFrog> LelouchVIBrittan: You can install Kubuntu 14.04 along side of Windows and choose which one to run when you boot the machine.  Kubuntu will install a boot manager (called GRUB) which will allow you to pick  and choose.
[00:55] <SamwiseGamgee> AMD Athlon XP processor 1700+ Desktop CPU
[00:55] <DarthFrog> Amount of RAM?
[00:55] <SamwiseGamgee> Athlon XP Thoroughbred A/B Model 8
[00:55] <DarthFrog> That's not RAM (memory).
[00:55] <SamwiseGamgee> It has about 500 MB of RAM
[00:56] <DarthFrog> OK, nowadays that's a low specification machine.
[00:56] <SamwiseGamgee> the processor is x86 family 6, Model 8
[00:57] <DarthFrog> I think you might find Kubuntu runs uncomfortably on that machine.  using one of the other derivatives would work better on that machine.
[00:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I have a KT3 Ultra2 motherboard that is VIA KT333 chipset based
[00:57] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu
[00:57] <DarthFrog> Lubuntu, rather than Kubuntu, is what I would suggest.
[00:57] <SamwiseGamgee> you mean Kubuntu 12.04 would work better for this PC?
[00:58] <DarthFrog> Kubuntu is more heavyweight.
[00:58] <DarthFrog> No.
[00:58] <DarthFrog> I mean that Lubuntu would work better.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Don't get me wrong, that machine will run Kubuntu.  But you won't be happy with it; it'll be quite slow.
[00:59] <SamwiseGamgee> okay, so ubuntu would be better?
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Especially since you want to do multimedia.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Nope.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Lubuntu or Xubuntu.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> !xubuntu
[01:00] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[01:00] <Unit193> What type of Multimedia?  There is UbuntuStudio too.
[01:00] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[01:00] <SamwiseGamgee> Just playing music and Netflix, moslty, and movies
[01:00] <Unit193> Ah, so not that then.
[01:01] <SamwiseGamgee> Surfing the web, downloading stuff from the web, photography, music, DVD movies and Netflix
[01:01] <SamwiseGamgee> Downloading small files, nothing illegal or pirated
[01:02] <DarthFrog> Ubuntu is based (loosely) on GNOME, reworked into Unity.  It'll experience the same issues as Kubuntu.  In a nutshell, your machine is old, slow and memory impovrished.  Any full-featured desktop environment will be painfully slow on it.
[01:03] <SamwiseGamgee> I was running Windows XP on that machine, which I call Fangorn, and it seems fast enough for my purposes
[01:03] <Unit193> 500MB of ram?  Yes, Lubuntu, or just plain Openbox.
[01:03] <DarthFrog> Windows XP is 12 years old now.
[01:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Well, it had 768 MB of RAM before I had to replace the motherboard
[01:04] <DarthFrog> SamwiseGamgee:  Go ahead and install Kubuntu on it.  It will run (well, walk) Kubuntu, no question.
[01:04] <DarthFrog> But you will have swapping.
[01:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Actually, there may be a way to get it up to 768 MB with Windows, but I´m not sure about overclocking with Kubuntu
[01:05] <DarthFrog> Please keep in mind that modern OS's are built for modern hardware with modern resources.
[01:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I think my brother had overclocked the 768 MB of RAM from 500, but I´m not sure
[01:06] <DarthFrog> Umm, that makes no sense. :-)
[01:06] <DarthFrog> That's like saying you overclocked $20 to $50. :-)
[01:07] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, it doesn´t make sense to me either.  May be I can´t get more than 500 MB of RAM, but when I was checking the stats, I saw sth about overclocking to 768 MB of RAM
[01:07] <SamwiseGamgee> I saw that when I examined the stats on my Fangorn PC after I installed the new motherboard
[01:08] <SamwiseGamgee> in most places it said 500 MB of RAM, but in some places it said 768 MB of RAM
[01:08] <SamwiseGamgee> anyway, letś just assume it´s 500 MB of RAM
[01:09] <DarthFrog> It doesn't make sense.  500 MB of RAM is a physical quanity, you can hold it in your hand.  To go to 768 MB, you have to add another physical stick of RAM.
[01:09] <DarthFrog> Clocking is the speed you run it at.
[01:09] <SamwiseGamgee> Well, I put all the memory sticks in from the old motherboard
[01:09] <SamwiseGamgee> and all I got was 500 MB
[01:10] <DarthFrog> And when you boot the machine, the POST routine will report the amount of RAM installed.
[01:10] <DarthFrog> Then you have 512 MB RAM.
[01:10] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh shit, one of the memory sticks may have got damaged when the PSU blew up, it also damaged some of my hard drives
[01:10] <DarthFrog> Which is a small amount nowadays.
[01:11] <SamwiseGamgee> But everything else is working.  so far, I only found evidence of damage to the hard drives
[01:12] <SamwiseGamgee> is Kubuntu 12.04 lighter than Kubuntu 14.04?
[01:12] <DarthFrog> The PSU is the one place you do not want to cheap out.  When you buy a PSU, buy a good brand.  And you don't need a big one:  You can pick up a 450 watt Corsair (very good PSU) for under $50.
[01:12] <DarthFrog> No, it's not.  It's just older.
[01:13] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, so should I try installing Kubuntu 12.04?
[01:13] <SamwiseGamgee> My motherboard is called MSI MS-6380E
[01:14] <DarthFrog> The 12 in 12.04 refers to the year of release: 2012.  And the .04 refers to the month of release, i.e. the 4th month, April.  So 12.04 was released in April 2012 and 14.04 was released in April 2014.
[01:14] <SamwiseGamgee> Woops, I mean Kubuntu 14.04
[01:14] <DarthFrog> That's the only version you should be considering.
[01:14] <SamwiseGamgee> Where can I download it from?  I will make an ISO on a DVD
[01:15] <DarthFrog> !download
[01:15] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, Iĺl download the full version for DVD, right?
[01:15] <DarthFrog> Up to you.
[01:16] <DarthFrog> !install
[01:16] <DarthFrog> All that applies to Kubuntu, too.
[01:21] <DarthFrog> SamwiseGamgee:  In the Installation link above, you'll want to read the section on Minimal Installations.
[01:21] <SamwiseGamgee> for Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[01:21] <DarthFrog> Either/both.
[01:22] <SamwiseGamgee> You said Ubuntu would work better, but I¨m used to using Kubuntu, how different is Ubuntu?
[01:22] <DarthFrog> There's not much difference between Ubuntu & Kubuntu, other than the desktop environment.  Ubuntu uses Unity (which they derived from GNOME), Kubuntu uses the far superior (no prejudice here!) KDE.
[01:23] <DarthFrog> I said Lubuntu would work better, not Ubuntu.
[01:23] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu
[01:23] <SamwiseGamgee> How different is Lubuntu from KDE´s Kubuntu?
[01:23] <DarthFrog> It uses LXDE instead of KDE.
[01:24] <DarthFrog> LXDE is lightweight.  KDE is full featured.
[01:24] <DarthFrog> But not lightweight. :-)
[01:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I like Kubuntu, I´ve been using it for about 4 or 5 years now
[01:24] <DarthFrog> Then why are you asking all these beginner questions?
[01:25] <SamwiseGamgee> But mostly just for Web browsing and music
[01:25] <SamwiseGamgee> Because I am a Windows guy
[01:26] <SamwiseGamgee> Mostly just web browsing for school stuff
[01:26] <SamwiseGamgee> and email
[01:26] <DarthFrog> Any system would be fine for such use.
[01:26] <SamwiseGamgee> Windows 8 is too expensive
[01:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Linux is free
[01:27] <DarthFrog> Install Lubuntu, firefox and thunderbird.  You'll have what you need.
[01:27] <DarthFrog> Linux is free, in both senses of the word.
[01:27] <DarthFrog> And doesn't want to limit you.
[01:27] <SamwiseGamgee> But I want to take Linux to the next level and start using it for movies, DVDs and more music
[01:28] <DarthFrog> Watching/listening  or producing?
[01:28] <SamwiseGamgee> just watching and listening
[01:28] <DarthFrog> then you'll be quite happy with Linux.
[01:28] <SamwiseGamgee> DVD movies and Netflix
[01:29] <DarthFrog> But why don't you update your hardware?
[01:29] <SamwiseGamgee> too much money
[01:29] <SamwiseGamgee> but I may buy a new hard drive
[01:29] <SamwiseGamgee> if itś not too expensive
[01:30] <DarthFrog> Hard drives are inexpensive.  How about an SSD instead?
[01:30] <DarthFrog> If your motherboard does SATA.
[01:30] <DarthFrog> SSDs have really come down in price.
[01:30] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I got a new SSD for my Pavilion Pc
[01:30] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, I found one SATA cord, but the rest are IDE
[01:31] <SamwiseGamgee> All the ports are IDE
[01:32] <SamwiseGamgee> but the connector for the SATA cord did not look like it was for hard drives, this motherboard is 10 years old
[01:32] <DarthFrog> SATA is SATA.
[01:32] <SamwiseGamgee> I think there´s a section on SATA in the motherboard manual
[01:33] <DarthFrog> OK, well have fun.  I'm off.
[01:34] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for your hielp
[01:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Would Kubuntu provide all the drivers I need for this old motherboard?
[01:41] <Chaser> !netflix
[01:41] <Chaser> sorry
[01:45] <SamwiseGamgee> What is swapping and why is it bad?
[02:03] <DarthFrog> Swapping is using your hard drive for memory instead of RAM.  It's bad because it's about 100,000X slower.
[02:03] <DarthFrog> And that is not an exaggeration.
[02:04] <DarthFrog> Swapping is good because your system won't crash with out of memory errors.  But if your system swaps routinely, it needs more RAM.
[02:23] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, I thought you had left, DarthFrog
[02:25] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, so Lubuntu requires less swapping
[02:42] <DarthFrog> Depends upon how you use it.
[02:43] <DarthFrog> But, yes.  That's part and parcel of what we mean when we say lightweight.
[02:45] <DarthFrog> I wouldn't be surprised if your Fangorn system wasn't swapping before KDE finished loading.  And if so, you'll find the system slow and unresponsive.
[02:51] <SamwiseGamgee> Once I have downloaded the Kubuntu 14.04 ISO image, how can I use it to create an Installation USB stick?  My DVD writer is not working
[02:51] <DarthFrog> !install
[03:13] <SamwiseGamgee>  /join #hardware
[05:34] <SamwiseGamgee> How do you look up the memory usage of a flash drive?
[05:35] <SamwiseGamgee> I can only find the memory usage of the files within the flash drive, not the flash drive itself
[05:39] <valorie> SamwiseGamgee: a quick google says `df -h /media/dbBackups` where dbBackups is the name of the drive
[05:39] <valorie> you might have to mount it first
[05:40] <valorie> !mount
[05:40] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks
[05:40] <SamwiseGamgee> diesn´t it automatically mount when you plug it in?
[05:41] <valorie> maybe
[05:41] <valorie> if it shows up in dolphin is is mounted
[05:41] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, it shows up in Dolphin
[05:42] <valorie> btw, great nick
[05:42] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks Valorie
[05:43] <valorie> did that work for you?
[05:43] <valorie> I've read those books over and over since high school
[05:44] <valorie> and HS was a looong time ago
[05:44] <SamwiseGamgee> I´ve read just about every essay and book ever written by JRR Tolkien, including his letters
[05:45] <valorie> ah, I didn't know the letters were published
[05:45] <valorie> I've got all the books
[05:46] <valorie> I'll look for the letters
[05:46] <SamwiseGamgee> they are published as a separate book
[05:46] <valorie> oops, we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:46] <valorie> sorry, channel
[05:47] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[05:48] <SamwiseGamgee> But I want to solve my flash drive issue, first
[05:48] <valorie> did that command work for you?
[05:48] <SamwiseGamgee> Iḿ trying a diferent method that may be easier
[05:48] <valorie> I've used that same command to get the whole size of other drives
[05:49] <SamwiseGamgee> Iḿ trying to do it without going out into the Konsole
[05:49] <valorie> why is that?
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> since I have so many applications installed
[05:50] <valorie> filelight will work
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> one of them should do the job
[05:50] <valorie> if you have konqueror, it will do it
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> I don´t have that
[05:50] <valorie> so will midnight commander
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> I think I have that installed but never used it
[05:50] <valorie> filelight <3
[05:51] <valorie> and I've loved konq since I first used linux, over a decade ago
[05:52] <SamwiseGamgee> No, I don´t have konqueror
[05:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, this is weird, it says the size of the drive, but not how much memory is free
[05:53] <SamwiseGamgee> looks like I´ll have to go to the konsole as you previously  mentioned
[05:54] <valorie> when you look at the various drives listed in Dolphin, don't you see the size?
[05:54] <valorie> I do
[05:54] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, but not the free memory
[05:54] <valorie> then when I hover, it reports how many files, and how much space is used
[05:54] <SamwiseGamgee> I don´t care about the size, I already know that, I just want the free memory
[05:54] <valorie> well, filelight is meant for that
[05:54] <valorie> ah, you said that was what you wanted
[05:55] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I wanted both, because normally if you get one, you get the other
[05:56] <valorie> www.cyberciti.biz/faq/check-free-space/
[05:56] <valorie> filelight shows visually, and also gives you figures
[05:58] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, the df command is good, I´ll try that on the konsole
[06:01] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks valorie, it worked
[06:04] <valorie> excellent
[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:26] <emma> Hi, thanks.
[09:27] <valorie> np
[09:27] <emma> when I do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <valorie> I need to learn to do this stuff faster
[09:27] <emma> I get this error at the end:
[09:27] <emma> Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-3.2.0-61-generic linux-image-3.2.0-63-generic linux-image-generic linux-generic initramfs-tools
[09:27] <emma> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:27] <emma> valorie: yeah its okay. It's a sign of a good op if bans happen so rarely that you have to look up how to do something with them.
[09:27] <valorie> did you only try it once, or did you try again?
[09:28] <emma> I only tried it once. I'll try it again now.
[09:28] <valorie> could be a repo was not responding or something
[09:29] <emma> I have a GPG error when I do the sudo apt-get update but I think that's unrelated.
[09:29] <valorie> !
[09:29] <valorie> oh, maybe a key is missing
[09:30] <emma> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:31] <emma> Should I try to fix that first?
[09:31] <emma> Maybe its related? Im not sure.
[09:32] <lordievader> emma: Would be a good idea to fix that. But what is the exact error dpkg gives?
[09:36] <emma> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[09:36] <emma> Im going to try doing that ^ to fix it. Does that seem right?
[09:36] <lordievader> Jup, that's fine.
[09:41] <emma> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:41] <emma> that's still giving the same warning
[09:41] <lordievader> Did the apt-keygive an error?
[09:43] <emma> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/kB6A8jk1
[09:43] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps removing the key and re-adding it again helps?
[09:44] <emma> okay where does one go to remove it?
[09:45] <lordievader> emma: sudo apt-key del <key-id>
[09:45] <emma> is the 40976EAF437D05B5 the key-id ?
[09:45] <emma> I don't want to delete the wrong key..
[09:46] <lordievader> emma: Should be, yes.
[09:46] <emma> i wonder what causes a problem like this in the first place
[09:49] <emma> lordievader: i deleted it and did this and got this message: http://pastebin.com/eJj0e11E
[09:50] <lordievader> emma: What happens when you run apt-get update?
[09:51] <emma> It does all the normal stuff and then at the end it says this:
[09:51] <emma> Reading package lists... Done
[09:51] <emma> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:52] <lordievader> emma: Here is someone with the same problem: http://www.maketecheasier.com/solve-badsig-error-in-ubuntu/
[09:55] <emma> lordievader: thanks. that fixed the badsig problem
[09:55] <emma> I wish I knew how that happened or why the 6 lines on that blog are magic words
[09:56] <emma> Now I will see if I can dist-upgrade
[10:00] <emma> lordievader: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still gives me errors. Here's what happened http://pastebin.com/55gSdmDA
[10:01] <lordievader> emma: Your /boot is full "gzip: stdout: No space left on device"
[10:01] <emma> oh i see. So perhaps I can delete some stuff from /boot ?
[10:02] <lordievader> emma: Remove old kernels.
[10:03] <emma> there's an avi and an intrd and other things in there also.
[10:03] <emma> I think i need one of those for each version
[10:04] <emma> so i better not delete everything
[10:04] <lordievader> emma: Do you have a separate boot, actually?
[10:04] <emma> a separate boot partition? Yes
[10:05] <lordievader> How many kernels do you have installed?
[10:06] <emma> the vmlinuz is the kernel itself right?
[10:07] <lordievader> emma: It's best to remove the package, not the files
[10:07] <emma> there's other files in there like system.map  and initrd and config and abi
[10:07] <lordievader> emma: That's Ubuntu for ya.
[10:08] <lordievader> Removing the (old-)kernel packages will remove those files too.
[10:08] <emma> I don't think i have any kernel packages installed
[10:08] <emma> how could I tell if I did?
[10:08] <lordievader> dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[10:09] <emma> i see 10 different versions of vmlinuz
[10:09] <emma> in /boot
[10:09] <lordievader> Remove all the old ones except for the last two.
[10:10] <emma> what do you make of this http://pastebin.com/r9XzkFGM
[10:11] <emma> when you say remove do you mean just rm from /boot or somehow use dpkg
[10:11] <lordievader> emma: Using apt-get yes.
[10:12] <emma> apt-get remove ?
[10:12] <emma> or uninstall or ..?
[10:12] <lordievader> emma: Yes, leaving kernels 3.2.0-[61|63]
[10:13] <emma> for 61 and 63 I see corresponding abi- and config- files
[10:13] <emma> but i don't see any initrd files for 61 or 63
[10:13] <emma> the initrd files only go up to 55
[10:13] <emma> i just don't want to mess this up since its /boot
[10:14] <lordievader> emma: Ah those are the ones that failed to install correctly.
[10:14] <lordievader> Leave -55 then too.
[10:15] <emma> okay how do I remove the others with apt-get?
[10:15] <emma> Usually I just rm from /boot
[10:15] <lordievader> So something along the lines of: apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-{23,26,27,29,30,31,35}-generic
[10:15] <lordievader> emma: That is the wrong way (in Ubuntu).
[10:15] <emma> okay i'll see
[10:24] <emma> lordievader: okay! freeing up the space in /boot seems to have fixed it
[10:25] <emma> now i have linux image 55, 61, and 63 in there
[10:25] <emma> im going to try restarting the machine now. be back soon i hope.
[10:59] <emma> well i got back
[10:59] <emma> Is there a way to upgrade from 12.04 to the latest LTS?
[11:12] <n8w> hey guys, how do i get rid off ssh asking for a passphrase when usin more than one session? works for one session only: ssh-agent, ssh-add path/to/pub
[11:13] <TheFakeazneD525> emma: automatic upgrade to 14.04.1 sometime in june
[11:17] <emma> automatic?
[11:30] <emma> im doing a distribution upgrade and it is saying 'about 5 hours remaining' does that seem right?
[11:32] <roland_> upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 took about 5 hours
[11:33] <lordievader> emma: Like TheFakeazneD525 says, that is only possible when 14.04.1 is released.
[11:34] <roland_> Hi. I updated my kubuntu installation to 14.04, and now I'm having strange issues ater laptop wakes up from sleep.... login screen does not show, only the wallpaper... have to restart kdm to get back to working system...  probably something to do with this, but i'm unable to see if this fix is pushed to users....
[11:34] <roland_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314663
[11:35] <TheFakeazneD525> Hmm, I recommend switching to lightdm for now, I'm not too knowledgeable about KDM
[11:36] <emma> lordievader: im confused why you say its only possible then. Because im doing something right now
[11:36] <emma> I did alt+f2 and typed in : kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[11:36] <emma> and it is doing something
[11:36] <emma> what is it doing?
[11:37] <lordievader> roland_: Precise was the last version where kdm was used by default, everything after uses LightDM, I'd say switch to LightDM and see if the problem persists.
[11:38] <lordievader> emma: do-release-upgrade will not show Trusty until 14.04.1 is released (and the lts path is chosen).
[11:38] <roland_> lordievader: sry, my bad, restart lightdm
[11:38] <roland_> kdm said, unknown instance
[11:38] <lordievader> emma: I get the feeling kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade will upgrade you to Utopic (the devel part)
[11:39] <rajaniemi> now that I have you mounted for psychotherapy
[11:40] <roland_> lordievader: system already using lightdm, problem persists
[11:40] <rajaniemi> wrong 'light'
[11:40] <rajaniemi> I can tell you things you seem to find it hard to remember about john 3:16
[11:41] <rajaniemi> and 17 and after
[11:41] <lordievader> roland_: Hmm, I don't know how to fix that, sorry.
[11:41] <lordievader> rajaniemi: Do you have a Kubuntu support question?
[11:41] <roland_> lordievader: which login screen are you using?
[11:42] <lordievader> roland_: LightDM under Saucy, KDM under Gentoo.
[11:42] <rajaniemi> I had to hardcode a remote K-line trigger for didactic purposes
[11:43] <roland_> lordievader: what is the screen locker type? simple/widget?
[11:44] <lordievader> roland_: Yes, simple.
[11:45] <rajaniemi> would you make a martyr for the sake of protocal?
[11:45] <roland_> lordievader: strange, I read somewere, simple locker causes this, and the fix was to change to widget
[11:45] <roland_> or add some translucency exeption for some applicaiton
[11:46] <lordievader> roland_: Note I run Saucy, it may just be a Trusty specific bug.
[11:46] <rajaniemi> bubbly facial flesh
[11:47] <roland_> lordievader: ok, maybe it is then
[11:50] <rajaniemi> say your prayers
[11:50] <rajaniemi> include me
[11:55] <rajaniemi> _lore_ my cipher
[12:04] <TheFakeazneD525> rajaniemi: wat
[12:04] <TheFakeazneD525> rajaniemi: wat are you even talking about
[12:06] <DesignerX> hi
[12:07] <DesignerX> Any ideas why VMware Workstation 10 is very slow on this Kubuntu 14 install while the same VM works fast on another Linux Install (Mint 15 KDE)
[12:08] <DesignerX> The Vm/guest is a Windows 7 64 install
[12:27] <aurora> ciao
[12:27] <aurora> !list
[13:44] <marino> good afternoon
[13:45] <marino> i am new on irc
[13:46] <marino> good afternoon
[14:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:58] <emma> is qt5-default in 14.04?
[14:58] <emma> !info qt-default trusty
[14:58] <emma> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[14:58] <emma> !info qt5-default trusty
[14:58] <emma> OH IT IS THERE!
[14:58] <emma> YAAY!
[14:59] <emma> What a rollercoaster of emotions a typo can bring.
[16:07] <safridzal> hi, this is my fresh install kubuntu 14.04.. i have problem with GTK apps like xchat and libreoffice.. I cannot adjust the font.. it always like "ubuntu 8" font even after i change to ubuntu 12 on system setting
[16:07] <safridzal> gtk2 and gtk 3 -engine-oxygen is installed
[16:10] <Gregor3000> hello people! does anyoen have any idea why samba share would be loading super slow. it loads file by file from raspberry pi. it sued to be quite fast. at first i though something is wrong with external drive on the pi (NTFS), but after doing checkdisk on it it turns out all is ok. i then tried to use filezilla (sftp rather than samba) and it was fast. very fast.
[16:15] <safridzal> I get it working.. just force the font to get aliased.. the default it system setting..
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Gregor3000, scp/ssh is also fast if you don't mind using the terminal
[16:20] <Gregor3000> no, i just need to move files arround which is easier and IMO faster done with some file manager than through terminal.
[16:20] <Gregor3000> i know i connect with SSH if i need to do somethign on it.
[16:21] <Gregor3000> something other than just moving files.
[16:22] <Gregor3000> i forgot to say i have OpenELEC on pi if it matters. and it's not the latest version. perhaps i should upgrade it. i haven't decided to upgrade since this one is working well otherwise.
[16:23] <yruss> Hi! Upgraded to 14.04 from 13.04 and once in two days system freezes. GUI freezes. I can drag mouse but keyboard doesn't respond at all. Even capslock LED not lighting when i press it.  Ram is 4gb, standard inTel card. Never freezed on 13.04. Sysrq+RSEIUB works. Any solutions?
[16:24] <safridzal> question again.. i've install mscore ttf font,, but libreoffice still use libresansserif font as default.. is there a way to make libre office use times new roman as default font?
[16:25] <safridzal> get it.. its on the setting
[16:36] <BluesKaj> yruss, did do a clean
[16:36] <BluesKaj> install?
 Why should i do this? It's no windows
[17:01] <yruss> t
[17:01] <TheFakeazneD525> uwot
[17:04] <BluesKaj> yruss, ok ,let me rephrase, what method you use to install 14.04?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> did you use
[17:06]  * BluesKaj needs fewer distractions ... tries to concentrate
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[17:09] <yruss> Exactly this Guide
[17:10] <BluesKaj> yruss, ok that's fine, but did you update and upgrade 12.04 packages before upgrading to 14.04/
[17:11] <yruss> Well keeping in my that i upgraded from 13.04 - certainly i'm not :)
[17:12] <yruss> It was 1304 -> 1310 -> 1404 kinda sequence
[17:13] <BluesKaj> then you should have said so
[17:15] <BluesKaj> did upgrade both 13.04 and 13.10 packages ?
[17:15] <yruss> i said it in my first message slightly and btw there's no another way to upgrade 13,04 to 14,04 :)
[17:17] <BluesKaj> oh yes there is, some change their sources.list debs to the new OS and try to update/upgrade while skipping an OS...I've seen it done and makes an awful mess
[17:18] <yruss> Everything is upgrade as it should be - there's no need to search the cause in the upgrade it self - i do believe it's Xorg ro Kernel problem. I posted this if somebody seen the problem cause it's very specific i believe - GUI and keyboard freezed but mouse works
[17:19] <yruss> more common problem when everything freezes or nothing freezes at all i believe:)
[17:19] <BluesKaj> well, I have some errands to run.... BBL
 Anyway thanks :)
[19:42] <tanay111> 33
[19:51] <emma> When I try to do: sudo apt-get install sudo apt-get install libminiupnpc-dev I get this horrible warning -- http://pastebin.com/TVjkbUFm
[19:51] <emma> what's going on, and what can I do? Any thoughts?
[19:53] <vedu> emma: yes seems like you have installed unstable packages
[19:54] <vedu> emma: would it be too bad if you removed  libminiupnpc-dev ? remove that. and in muon package manager->software sources, select only stable packages
[19:54] <vedu> then run apt-get update. tell me what happens ;-)
[20:01] <emma> vedu: okay im trying.
[20:01] <emma> vedu: I don't think it hurts me but will it hurt the machine? Just removing stuff I don't fully understand sounds dangerous
[20:02] <serg_mac> hey i run cs on ubuntu but it don't finish to conect local server. it start conecting and guys see me as spectetor i see sounds of the game in my pc, but i see only servers menu with message that im conecting or connection failed.
[20:02] <serg_mac> i hear sounds of course
[20:03] <serg_mac> can u help me anyhow?
[20:04] <vedu> emma: nothing hurts the machine :-) that is a dev package, probably required for some programming
[20:05] <vedu> emma: you can always install it again
[20:05] <emma> okay
[20:05] <emma> i will try to remove it, and then update
[20:05] <emma> vedu: do you know how to do it fromt eh command line?
[20:06] <vedu> sudo apt-get remove ...
[20:06] <emma> Im going to try sudo apt-get remove lib.. yeah
[20:06] <vedu> emma: and try to remove unstable packages. best to it via muon
[20:07] <emma> okay i'll try to use muon i just never have before
[20:08] <emma> muon package manager or muon software center?
[20:10] <emma> vedu: it says it cannot be removed because it isn't installed
[20:11] <vedu> yes that is because you have removed it
[20:12] <emma> but i want to install it
[20:12] <emma> vedu: did you want me to open muon package manager or muon software center?
[20:13] <vedu> goto muon package manager->settings->configure software sources
[20:14] <emma> okay im in there
[20:14] <vedu> in "other software" select only the bare minimum. i.e. the first few official ones
[20:14] <vedu> unselect the "unstable" ones
[20:15] <emma> the only thing that was checked there was 'independent'
[20:15] <emma> so now nothing is checked
[20:16] <emma> what do you suggest now?
[20:16] <vedu> no independant is fine. it is stable
[20:16] <emma> everything else is disabled
[20:16] <vedu> see the other sources. are you on a unstable version of kubuntu itself??
[20:17] <emma> I am on Kubuntu 14.04
[20:17] <vedu> emma: so am I
[20:17] <emma> I upgraded from kubuntu 12.04 if that makes a difference
[20:17] <vedu> emma: did you run apt-get update?
[20:17] <emma> yes i have should i do it again?
[20:18] <emma> is there a way to do it inside of muon?
[20:18] <vedu> no
[20:18] <vedu> you can update only one package manager at a time
[20:18] <vedu> ok you can close that settings box
[20:18] <emma> okay
[20:19] <vedu> in the main window 'filter by' "status"
[20:19] <emma> so just to be sure, only one thing was checked. independent.
[20:19] <vedu> yes. do not change
[20:20] <emma> filter by status?
[20:20] <emma> status is not one of the options
[20:20] <emma> or do you mean click on the status clolumn
[20:20] <vedu> yes
[20:20] <emma> installed ones are at the top now
[20:21] <vedu> goto broken.
[20:21] <vedu> basically you should remove them from here
[20:22] <vedu> and anything that is unstable and is messing with your packages
[20:22] <emma> it does not show anything broken
[20:23] <vedu> emma: I am stumped :(
[20:23] <vedu> install aptitude
[20:23] <emma> it is
[20:24] <vedu> that is a better package manager. it will provide solutions from which you can accept one. do not upgrade to "unstable" in any of the soultions
[20:24] <emma> ok
[20:24] <emma> i'll try it and see what it says
[20:28] <emma> vedu: does this seem like a good solution:
[20:28] <emma> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[20:28] <emma> Downgrade the following packages:
[20:28] <emma> 1)     libminiupnpc8 [1.6-precise2 (now) -> 1.6-3ubuntu2 (trusty)]
[20:29] <vedu> yes
[20:34] <Guest52432> why the software manager in kubuntu is not showing all softwares?
[20:56] <emma> vedu: that's not going to revert me back to kubuntu 12.04 or something is it?
[20:57] <vedu> emma: lol no no
[20:58] <valorie> there really is no way to "revert" built in
[20:59] <dougiel> I have 14.04 with extra screen savers installed... when the screen saver is on the mouse cursor still appears... cant get my head around what to google for suggestions?
[21:41] <rajaniemi> Does Kubuntu have a minimal free software only installer?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> !minimal | rajaniemi
[21:44] <rajaniemi> Which version uses the 2.4 kern?
[21:49] <valorie> 2.4?
[21:50] <valorie> that seems ancient
[21:50] <valorie> running 3.13.0-27-generic now
[21:56] <rajaniemi> valorie: That is fine but for programming purposes historical use is needed.
[21:57] <valorie> rajaniemi: old versions of Ubuntu are available
[21:58] <valorie> on the releases page
[21:58] <valorie> and on each there will be a list (manifest) of what's included
[21:58] <valorie> I assume the kernel version will be listed in each manifest
[22:03] <rajaniemi> Is it releases.ubuntu.com valorie ?
[22:04] <valorie> I believe so
[22:04] <valorie> poke around, I've seen the pages
[22:07] <rajaniemi> ok valorie
[22:20] <dougiel> I have 14.04 with extra screen savers installed... when the screen saver is on the mouse cursor still appears... cant get my head around what to google for suggestions?
[22:21] <DarthFrog> dougiel: Why do you care?
[22:23] <dougiel> DarthFrog, just that is not the way it is supposed to work and might as well fix/learn why it behaves that way.
[22:23] <DarthFrog> Does it ever go away?
[22:24] <dougiel> no
[22:25] <DarthFrog> Maybe that's your screensaver. :-)
[22:25] <dougiel> ?
[22:26] <DarthFrog> Just the mouse cursor.
[22:26] <dougiel> yes
[23:10] <Guest4371> Is there a way I can see the firmware of my SSD ?