[01:33] Roguehorse: good morning! [01:36] LOL! Not quite morning anymore is it : ) [01:37] No, but it *does* adequately illustrate the nature of IRC. :) [01:38] Good $curtime! [01:38] seems that way doesn't it; still getting used to the flow of IRC [01:39] IRC: More immediate than email; much lazier than SMS. [01:39] I've been using it for 20 years. You get used to it eventually. :) [01:40] true, it's often odd to think back through the years how my communication types have changed as well as societies [01:40] I've only been involved for a few months : ) [01:42] MOst of the people around me are "average" tech users, Facebook, Skype, etc.. Mostly just Facebook [01:43] Perfect Ubuntu candidates, though. :) [01:43] But that's fine. Everyone starts somewhere and everyone eventually finds something awesome they want to learn more of. :) [01:44] I wish, all in the house are pro-Microsoft ('cept me : )) [01:46] There's nothing wrong with Windows, but nothing extraordinary either. Maybe backwards-compatibility. They pour a lot of effort into that very successfully. [01:46] I switched to Ubuntu with Karmic...did a few years of openSUSE..now back on Kubuntu [01:47] Nothing wrong with it's development (other than the obvious flaws) I just get tired of people trying to "force" me into using it [01:47] Excellent. :) [01:48] The same goes for Apple.. awsome hardware and the software is nice too, but then I'm locked in [01:48] Lucid was really nice. Precise really solid. I'm thrilled with trusty. [01:48] I don't like being locked in [01:49] I'm enjoying Trusty too...except for this glitch I have with the plasma desktop. But that's a KDE issue I believe [01:49] Apple hardware is all right. The industrial design is stunning! But the markup is also stunning, unfortunately. ;) [01:49] Well, supposedly all the "bells and whistles" are what one is paying for [01:50] I have never owned any Apple product..even though my cousin has worked there 25+ years [01:51] I hit him up for a job opp once, what a mistake that was.. LOL [01:51] I worked with them a lot during college. I remember when OS X first came out I opened up a terminal and told my boss "this is the best interface an Apple has had in 25 years," haha. [01:51] : ) [01:52] I think they put out pretty good eye candy honestly [01:53] Yup, it all looks very pretty. [01:53] I think Ubuntu looks very clean. The phone interface is certainly stunning. [01:53] I got Snow Leopard running in a VM once via Empire EFI.. it was interesting [01:53] * ianorlin tihnks lxde +compton looks pretty [01:55] Ubuntu and many of the derivitives do a very nice job....good quality dev going into most of the products [01:55] I saw the phone during the release party, it is very nice, and yes, clean [01:56] The phone interface feels good to use. [01:56] ianorlin: I've tried a few of the other desktops..such as LXDE..I still seem to come back to KDE [01:57] I may get one once my contract runs up..I just picked up this Android Razor not long ago though so I have a ways to go [01:58] * ianorlin knows of a derivitive of lubuntu that has a fake unity session but it doesn't have dash but uses much less memory [02:03] Define "Fake Unity" ? [02:04] When Thomas Jefferson wrote "All men are created equal" what do you think he meant? - history class ... I think it was a loaded question [02:05] Roguehorse: means looks like Unity but isn't actually running Unity. :) [02:05] Sure. Obviously it's debatable whether he included slaves, or women. [02:06] akk: that's because by "men" he meant "people". [02:06] nhaines: but "people" didn't actually include those people I mentioned. [02:06] akk: probably not. [02:06] nhaines: Ok, thanks : ) [02:07] It really seemed to "only" include white English people [02:07] I *really* have to stop watching Kitchen Nightmares while I'm eating. [02:07] LOL! - for sure [02:09] I have a 4yr old son so my TV gets very limited to mostly channel 123 (whatever that is) [02:09] My TV gets ... the signal from the DVD player. [02:09] Make him watch Cosmos on Sundays. [02:10] I'm watching on Hulu Plus right now. [02:10] My wife controls it at night - and she likes 19 kids and counting or house hunters mostly [02:11] I watch Netflix sometimes in the morning if I can get away with it [02:11] I've been watching Arrow - pretty cool show [02:11] * ianorlin is watching hockey [02:12] I've started playing over at code.he.net too - I think I want to build on what they started [02:13] I lost interest in sports a long time ago [02:14] Creating is invigorating. :) [02:14] Doing things is more fun than watching other people do things. [02:14] I agree - many people have told me I need to get involved in a "project" meaning codeing rather than just writing stuff on my own [02:15] Or, as Ursula K. LeGuin wrote once, "sports are neat to do but dull to talk about". [02:15] akk: +1 [02:15] I like what they started and want to continue to develop it [02:15] akk: +1 [02:16] Roguehorse: well, collaboration is a really good way to get started and learn best practices. :) [02:22] I agree, I've just had a hard time finding the right team+project that motivated me [02:23] I thought I would find some people at the university, but most of those people didn't really care about dev - they just wanted to get the work done and get out [02:24] There's a nice catharsis in that too. :) [02:24] I've had people throw their projects and ideas at me but not many of them I found interesting [02:25] Well, that's the difference between schoolwork and ownership of a project. :) [02:25] Or investment in, maybe. [02:26] agreed, I didn't meet any students like me with a desire to create or take ownership of a project [02:27] My biggest problem is I dabble in too much instead of digging into a few things [02:27] That's sad. I remember lots of late-night hack sessions in school, completely unrelated to any classes. [02:27] Nah, that's a good way to get a sense for stuff. You just have to graduate to digging in. :) [02:28] akk: Lucky for you! You found a good group. [02:28] Yeah -- there were pretty good geeky groups in the schools I went to. [02:28] Learned a lot, not from classes but from hanging around just trying things [02:28] also take into account I'm 44 and not 24 anymore : ) [02:28] or coming up with hacks to get around ridiculous quotas on student accounts -- [02:29] akk: 640K should be enough disk space for anyone. [02:29] much later, I find myself wondering if they set the ridiculous quotas to see who'd find ways around them. [02:29] the sad tihng is I got really into linux right after I graduated UCLA [02:29] nhaines: LOL! Right : ) [02:29] nhaines: It was way lower than that at one school. You really couldn't keep email around (unless you had a workaround). [02:30] akk: that's what POP3 was made for. :) [02:30] I don't think POP existed then. [02:30] (our mail came to us UPHILL! BOTH WAYS! IN THE SNOW! :) [02:30] UUCP? :) [02:31] yeah, we did have that. [02:31] akk: ROTFLMAO!! [02:31] imap is nice now if you have multiple machines or dual boot [02:31] What we ended up doing was forming a group of friends where we'd all tar our files together and put them in one person's homedir [02:31] I still just use imap [02:31] and that person would be over quota the next morning [02:31] then the next day someone else would do it. [02:31] (and the day's over-quota person would borrow an account from somebody else). [02:32] Well, since I'm an online student it's different [02:32] At another school we found a much more clever way. [02:33] akk: You really had to go through hurdles! [02:33] Good problem solving skill development though [02:33] You can write a C program that opens a file in write mode, seeks a huge amount forward (like, more than the whole filesystem's size) then writes a single byte and closes it. [02:33] If it's not a challenge, we don't learn [02:33] What you get is a file with a "hole" in it [02:34] but if you ls it, it will appear to be so big [02:34] that when the quota system runs, it overflows and turns negative :) [02:34] You just have to du your homedir and figure out how much negative it has to go, then calculate the right amount to seek, and do that every evening. [02:35] I learned a lot about filesystems from that. [02:35] why wouldn't usage size be shown as unsigned? [02:35] akk: I guess you would! Necessity is definitely the mother of invention [02:36] (well, not filesytems as in kernel code, but as in inodes and such) [02:36] Okay, that made me lol. [02:38] ianorlin: Yes, it should have been unsigned, but that wasn't how they wrote the program. [02:39] This was before BSD with built-in filesystem quotas, so it was just a program somebody had written that ran once a day. [02:39] I think it was ... 4.1? and quotas came in with 4.2? but I might be off-by-one. [02:40] back in "the-day" I think it was easier to find work-arounds to homebrews [02:41] Looks like it's finally dark enough to test my raspi no-ir camera setup ... [02:41] now we have decades of bug fixes that prevent much of those old/fun jobs [02:42] I heard someone say that some programs that are old enough have had bugs found 60+ years later [02:43] finding bugs is fun though [02:43] One of the guys in our LUG picked up a b-black at the makers fair [02:43] 60! That would be an old program. [02:43] Beaglebones are much nicer than RPis, reall. [02:43] +y [02:43] I wish I could remember which one it was but it was the length of time that stuck with me. [02:44] akk: Yeah, he was talking about doing one of those combo-supercomputer things maybe [02:44] what are those called again? [02:46] clusters? [02:46] Cluster sounds right. [02:46] well yes, but there's another term..darnit! [02:46] Okay, this is not promising -- I put a glass of hot water in front of the camera and the photo still shows nothing. [02:48] Beowulf [02:49] akk: Gotta love that bug fixing : ) [02:49] Hmm, apparently you have to have a pretty serious IR illuminator too. [02:49] I have one on order but it hasn't arrived yet. [02:49] So much for finding out what those big cat-looking tracks in the yard were tonight. [02:49] * akk goes to turn the pi off and turn the hot water into cocoa [02:50] plan B: executed [02:50] Beowulf? [02:50] Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena in ġeār-dagum, þēod-cyninga, þrym ġefrūnon, hū ðā æþelingas ellen fremedon. [02:50] nhaines: I Think so.... [02:50] is that Danish? [02:51] It's English. Or more accurately, englisc. [02:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster [02:52] Title: [Beowulf cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] [02:52] : ) [02:52] Seems like a relatively popular project these days [02:52] A beowulf cluster out of slow things like beaglebones or pis seems like ... well, I guess I've built plenty of silly pointless things too, I shouldn't criticize. [02:53] Since building it is the point, not getting a practical useful thing out of it. [02:53] Roguehorse: it's the first sentence in the Old English poem Beowulf. [02:53] kind of like the guy who did the Star Wars movie in the terminal mode? [02:54] Tolkien translates it as: "Lo! the glory of the kings of the people of the Spear-Danes in days of old we have heard tell, how those princes did deeds of valour." [02:54] yes! That was hilarious. [02:54] nhaines: Ah! I think I read that freshman year in high school [02:54] Leia with the @ for hair. [02:54] * akk hides from pleia2 [02:55] LOL! : ) [02:55] Roguehorse: the poem is not very practical to translate into poetic modern English. I've only started Tolkien's prose translation but it is imminently readable. [02:56] imminently? [02:58] typo for eminently. [03:01] gotcha [03:03] I have this guy who contacted me out of the blue and wants to give a presentation at the June EBLUG meeting [03:03] Ooh, congrats! [03:03] should I prepare a backup presentation if he doesn't show? I have never met this guy before [03:03] nhaines: thanks [03:05] It's always good to have a backup presentation. I have about three or four I can give at any time. [03:05] +1 [03:05] which really doesn't mean much since I've only been involved since Sept [03:05] hmm - Good thought [03:06] The secret to getting involved is simply to get involved. [03:06] Seems like [03:06] As I've said to phone tech and new public speaker alike: you only have to *fake* like you're confident. The audience can't tell the difference. [03:06] And the best thing is, there's only so many times you can pretend to be confident giving a presentation before you're not faking it anymore. [03:06] A backup presentation doesn't have to be super polished, but maybe have some interesting tips to share, or something like that. [03:07] And of course, contact the speaker a couple of days before and confirm. [03:07] oh for sure! [03:08] I haven't been through the last minute "drop-out" yet but I know it's coming sooner or later - it's inevitable [03:11] I have a presentation ready to go just in case [03:11] There you go then. ;0 [03:11] :) [03:12] I should probably build a few for good measure [03:12] "Untrustworthy meta keys" wouldn't just make an awesome name for a band. It's also my chief complaint with this wireless keyboard. :P [03:12] : ( [03:13] I've been using this Logitech K800 for a few years now and I like it - hasn't let me down yet [03:15] I like the LED key feature as my desk is next to the bed and sometimes I have to work in low-lighting while others are sleeping [03:16] Shift almost always works, but sometimes Ctrl and Alt don't. And since I have Right Alt mapped to Compose, it's doubly annoying. [03:16] and the keys are quieter than other models [03:16] nhaines: That would drive me nuts [03:17] Roguehorse: it's just barely reliable enough to keep me from throwing it against the wall. [03:17] can you re-build it? [03:18] I don't have the technology. [03:18] make it stronger, faster better like Steve Rogers? [03:18] it was a shot [03:19] I'm not convinced it's a mechanical problem. :) [03:19] no 6M keyboard then - so much for that series : ( [03:20] ?? Ahh [03:20] I really want a nice mechanical switch keyboard but I prefer the ergonomic ones so I'm probably out of luck. [03:20] Yeah - no dice there [03:21] * ianorlin is actually thinking of building a desktop [03:21] I looked at those Lyz shared the link about that can have the custom Ubuntu meta key [03:21] ianorlin: you'll need some nice wood, a table saw, and a miter box. [03:22] They're cool - but no backlighting like I need and I'm sure the "clicking" is insane [03:22] nhaines: : ) - good catch [03:22] I have the old "Jerker" from Ikea [03:23] I love this desk! [03:23] ianorlin: Yes, I'm still a desktop user myself [03:24] although I need to invest in a new mid tower [03:24] I thought it would be cool to have a "gamer" case with LED's back in 2009 - now not so much [03:25] my hands get cold from the front fans and my wife complains at night when I'm up late [03:25] someone suggested switch out the fans but that would almost cost me as much as just getting a new case [03:26] I like quiet machines. It irritates me when my fan comes on. [03:27] this thing I have has 4 fans and the one on top is almost 6" - believe it or not it's pretty quiet still after all these years [03:27] I have not had to replace a fan yet [03:28] I think it's an Antec 6002 or something like that [03:30] Antec 9002 [03:32] ianorlin: If you're going to build one - unless you're going to get totally crazy in pushing it gaming - stay conventional with the case. my .02 [03:33] Skeleton case for the win: http://www.maximumpc.com/files/imagecache/futureus_imagegallery_fullsize/gallery/img142.png [03:33] Content type: [image/png] Size: [822404] [03:33] Alternative: Spider case: http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/61/19/001735/lian-li-pc-t1r-case.jpg [03:33] Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [34752] [03:37] That's great if you don't have pets or kids : ) [03:38] at my house that would be dead in less than 24hrs [03:38] excuse me - unless you have a really safe place to keep it [03:39] brb - dinner is being served (Chinese take-out) YAY!! [03:42] * ianorlin too [03:44] Tonight I had Subway. [03:46] subway was the place to go when scale was at the westin [03:49] * ianorlin has a subway within walking distance of my house [03:50] DonkeyHotei: yup, closest and most western food. [04:13] I should eat Subway more and Jack In The Box less : ) [04:13] I can throw a rock from my house and hit JB though [04:16] darthrobot: speaking of images - have you ever played with webp? [04:16] Roguehorse: Error: "speaking" is not a valid command. [04:16] How can that be - I don't have an iPhone? === DonkeyHotei is now known as DonkeyHotei_ [04:22] R2Pi2: seen DonkeyHotei [04:22] Eureka: seen DonkeyHotei [04:22] DonkeyHotei_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) === DonkeyHotei_ is now known as DonkeyHotei [04:25] * DonkeyHotei is watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t77ormPX-RA [04:25] Title: [The Sacramento Press Club Presents The California Secretary of State Debate - YouTube] [04:26] what's a press club? [04:31] we're having an election on tuesday [04:40] Who's we? [04:41] this state [04:41] this is a state-based channel, you know [04:41] : ) I guess it's obvious I don't follow politics [04:42] That's true [04:43] Oh - the web page says June 3 [04:44] http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/statewide-elections/2014-primary/ [04:44] Title: [June 3, 2014, Statewide Direct Primary Election - Elections & Voter Information - California Secretary of State] [04:46] The percentage of voters who registered with no party preference has gone from 20.17% four years ago to 21.16% today, an increase of about 325,000 voters, the report said. [04:46] That's interesting [04:47] i am registered with no party affiliation [04:47] seems to be the more popular stance these days [04:48] Do you do vote by mail? [04:50] yes [04:50] and i'm a pollworker in the election [04:51] why do I want these parts for a pc build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6RQprH [04:51] Title: [Intel Core i5-4460, Cooler Master N200 - System Build - PCPartPicker] [04:51] Oh? I remember as a kid some people would hold polls at their house - now I think it has to be a public place doesn't it? [04:52] there is one in a garage still by my house [04:52] my precinct is a residential garage [04:54] WOW! I have not seen one of those in a while. Seems the last couple of years has been at some local school. [04:54] ianorlin: Is that a list you just put together for a desktop? [04:54] yes [05:00] similar to what I have now - the sockets have changed though. Mine is 1156 and now they are at 1155 [05:00] p55m-ud4 [05:01] no now they are 1150 [05:02] the one you picked is - scroll down to Gigabyte [05:02] 16G of RAM is a lot - you planning on a lot of VM? [05:02] yes [05:03] that will do it then : ) [05:03] I have 8 now but can go 16 - just don't have the money and I'm not hurting so ... [05:04] 1150 is actaully the newest socket though [05:05] ah! [05:06] how does the SSD and spinner work together? [05:06] I have "zero" experience with SSD yet [05:07] I plan to have / on ssd and /home on hdd [05:07] ok..I get it [05:08] so fast boots and launch of programs and more space for data [05:08] I have a single 350G HDD and a 2TB Fantom eSATA drive [05:10] * ianorlin has 320 G HDD and 1tb usb3 hard drive connected to laptop [05:10] so almost the same thing - pretty close [05:12] I don't see a listing for gPU [05:13] yeah I don't really do much gaming and the intel integrated works for most things I do [05:17] I understand - I have an Nvidia 9800GT and it works but sometimes it's hit and miss with the open source drivers [05:18] it doesn't do any better for 2d accelartion for price really either [05:19] you think 380 watt supply will be enough? I've never mesured my actual consumption [05:21] pcpartpicker says without graphics card it will only use 187 watts [05:22] one of these days I should measure resouirce usage when running VMs but I had a hard time getting good video play on a KVM machine [05:23] I'm guessing that really had to do with the drivers though - obviously not the PS [05:24] That seems like a cool site giving all that feedback - I bought all my parts from Fry's based on a budget and some research [05:29] http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/Intel-Core%20i5-760%20BV80605001908AN%20(BX80605I5760).html - my older i5 [05:29] [404] Title: [Page not found] [05:30] Well that's portentious. [05:32] looks like the 1156 socket got killed in 2011 [05:40] DS Cube Black Edition Silent Cube - this looks like a nice case but I can't tell how to access the drive bays? [06:04] http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-case-vsk3000 - I like this case too - no fans in the front or light to annoy the wife when I'm up late and she's sleeping [06:04] Title: [Antec VSK-3000 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (VSK-3000) - PCPartPicker] [06:05] holy cow! 11pm - I'm out - Goodnight : ) [15:17] Good Morning [17:41] good morning [17:59] if anyone wants to pitch in, we're always look for folks to help us write summaries for the ubuntu weekly newsletter https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en [17:59] [R: docs.google.com] Title: [Ubuntu Weekly News Prep Page for Issue 370 - Google Docs] [17:59] we have editors to clean up summaries if you're concerned, so don't be shy :)