[02:51] <IdleOne> !away > onia
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> someone knows if there's an existing trigger in #ubuntu for this wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> if not, maybe interesting to add?
[06:25] <rww> !search backlight
[06:25] <rww> !search Backlight
[06:25] <rww> i answered the first question!
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> rww: :p
[06:26] <rww> that might be too specific, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging might be handy
[06:26] <rww> !kernel
[06:26] <rww> holy commas batman
[06:26] <rww> !stages
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> rww: well alot of users asking backlight issues no?
[06:26] <rww> not really
[06:27] <rww> huh, didn't know we had that factoid
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> rww: ok well i just thought, if wiki already exists, would be easy trigger add :p
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> rww: kernel one i know off
[06:27] <rww> i should make chu do it, he doesn't poke ubottu enough
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> rww: ok tnx for the considering
 all software is beta
 to think otherwise is presumptious and tantamount to god worship
[08:47] <tsimpson> it's a valid point of view
[09:39] <ikonia> hello liouys
[11:45] <knome> beta regarding "perfect software", not necessarily beta regarding some features/bugfixes
[11:47] <tsimpson> beta as in "work in progress"
[11:48] <knome> depends what the goal is.
[11:49] <tsimpson> perfection, what other goal is there? ;)
[11:51]  * knome sighs
[12:33] <IdleOne> tsimpson: profit!
[20:40] <Fritzendugan> Hi, I feel pretty silly having to do this, but a particular op has muted me apparently for being "smart-mouthed." I have since said that I will drop the discussion and move on, but he/she refuses to un-mute me because he/she "doesn't like my attitude." Reference: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7568401/
[20:45] <ikonia> you've missed the first line of the paste off
[20:45] <ikonia> could you please paste it fully
[20:45] <ikonia> (in a pastebin)
[20:45] <ikonia> would you like me to paste the complete log ?
[20:46] <Fritzendugan> http://pastebin.com/HvVPvpE8
[20:46] <ikonia> no
[20:46] <ikonia> you've still edited it
[20:47] <ikonia> ahh sorry
[20:47] <ikonia> you've not now
[20:47] <Fritzendugan> There's likely some miscommunication going on between the two of us. Text is an imperfect medium after all. I'm just ready to move on with my day, I'm done with the discussion
[20:47] <Fritzendugan> no, it's complete.
[20:47] <ikonia> just the formatting of the second paste
[20:47] <Fritzendugan> I can offer you a screenshot if that's better
[20:47] <ikonia> my fault
[20:47] <ikonia> no no, it's fine
[20:48] <Fritzendugan> it was never my intention to misrepresent the discussion. I simply missed the first line
[20:48] <ikonia> and yet you didn't correct it
[20:48] <ikonia> but these things happen
[20:48] <Fritzendugan> I didn't see it until you pointed it out
[20:48] <Fritzendugan> I corrected it as soon as you asked me to
[20:48] <ikonia> no problem
[20:58] <ikonia> Fritzendugan: apologies, there seems to be no other ops around at the moment, if you hang in, I'm sure someone will get to you
[21:04] <Fritzendugan> Thanks.
[21:25] <ikonia> Fritzendugan: still there ?
[21:25] <Fritzendugan> yes
[21:25] <ikonia> cool, well as no-ones around, I don't want to keep you waiting, so if you're comfortable with dropping the smart comments I'll remove the mute in #ubuntu ?
[21:26] <ikonia> I hoped someone else would have been around, but I don't want to keep you locked out for a minor issue
[21:26] <ikonia> ?
[21:27] <ikonia> you can then come back and raise your complaint at a later time
[21:27] <Fritzendugan> You know very well that I said 30 minutes ago I dropped the argument and was ready to move on. So yes, I'd appreciate that, thank you.
[21:27] <ikonia> again - to be clear, it's not the argument
[21:27] <Fritzendugan> I have no need to raise a complaint if the mute is lifted
[21:27] <ikonia> it's your attitude with the smart mouth comments to simple polite requests
[21:28] <ikonia> if you can drop those - I'm happy for you to be able to talk in #ubuntu again
[21:29] <ikonia> is that acceptable ?
[21:30] <Fritzendugan> I think it's largely your opinion what's a smart mouth comment and what's a polite request. You blatantly ignored the abuse I was receiving in the channel and chose to single me out, so I could only assume you were being antagonistic. If you weren't, then there was clearly some miscommunication and I apologize for the intitial comment. But frankly, the fact that you left me muted for so long points to you having somewhat of a g
[21:30] <Fritzendugan> od-complex. Nonetheless, yes, I have already dropped it and am ready to move on. I'm not sure why I have to keep repeating that. Like I said, the only issue here is that you have me muted and I can't participate in the #ubuntu channel. Once that mute is lifted, I no longer have any issues.
[21:31] <ikonia> this is the problem
[21:31] <ikonia> no-one singled you out
[21:31] <ikonia> I asked if you needed anything - you responeded with this parting quip
[21:31] <ikonia> No need to get offended because I'm pointing out one minor thing
[21:31] <ikonia>                       I didn't like (and disabled) from an operating system I
[21:31] <ikonia>                       otherwise very much enjoy. Thanks for playing internet
[21:31] <ikonia>                       police, though.
[21:31] <ikonia> there is zero need for it
[21:31] <ikonia> you then come at me calling me fan boy in private
[21:32] <Fritzendugan> Yes, you can keep harping on that, but the fact remains others were making comments about tin-foil hats and such that were totally unnecessary and you chose to ignore their comments and focus on mine
[21:32] <ikonia> I explain to you that I just wanted to make sure you had the info you required and end the debate
[21:32] <Fritzendugan> so yes, you singled me out
[21:32] <ikonia> Fritzendugan: I didn't ignore it
[21:32] <Fritzendugan> I'm not here to argue with you. Either you're going to un-mute me or you're not
[21:32] <ikonia> I didn't see it - and I've spoken to them since
[21:32] <ikonia> 21:26 < ikonia> wilee-nilee: please, lets drop it, he's muted
[21:32] <Fritzendugan> wilee-nilee didn't make the comment
[21:32] <Fritzendugan> it's not important
[21:32] <ikonia> and another private conversation with another user that I'm not going to paste as thats not your business
[21:32] <ikonia> so no-one was singled out
[21:33] <Fritzendugan> That's fine, I'm not here to argue with you.
[21:33] <ikonia> so there will be no more smart / rude comments to simple / polite requests ?
[21:34] <Fritzendugan> "<Fritzendugan> You know very well that I said 30 minutes ago I dropped the argument and was ready to move on. So yes, I'd appreciate that, thank you."
[21:34] <ikonia> no- thats the conversation
[21:34] <Fritzendugan> I'm not sure what you want from me
[21:34] <ikonia> I'm asking you to confirm there will be no more smart / rude comments
[21:35] <Fritzendugan> There will certainly be more smart comments. I'm a smart guy. As for rudeness, I have no intention of being rude.
[21:35] <ikonia> I suggest you talk to someone else
[21:38] <ikonia> I rightly/wrongly get the impression you are trying to play word games with your ocmments
[21:38] <Fritzendugan> that's why I came here, thanks.
[21:38] <Fritzendugan> No, I'm simply trying to get un-muted.
[21:38] <ikonia> so I'd rather someone else dealt with it, apologies
[21:38] <Fritzendugan> I get the feeling you want me to kiss your feet, which I have no intention of doing. Apologies.
[21:38] <ikonia> I want nothing of the sort
[21:39] <ikonia> I just wanted you to confirm there would be no more smart mouth jibes/rude comments
[21:39] <ikonia> so I'd personally rather leave it at that point to someone else
[21:39] <ikonia> and you responded with snother smart comment about you being a smart guy
[21:39] <ikonia> sorry
[21:39] <Fritzendugan> you're not sorry, but thanks.
[21:40] <ikonia> I am sorry, I Assure you, I had no intention of leaving you muted for this long, I only didn't interact as you said you wished to complain, then when no-one else responded I thought I'd try again
[21:40] <ikonia> I want no feet kissing or anything like that, just a clear statement that you'll not make any more of these smart comments such as "thanks for being the internet police"
[21:41] <Fritzendugan> Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how to be any more clear than "I'm ready to move on."
[21:41] <ikonia> that's not what I asked for
[21:42] <Fritzendugan> If you want me to type a certain string of characters like some type of computer program, I can do that
[21:42] <ikonia> you seem to be doing everything possible to not give a clear statement
[21:42] <Fritzendugan> just let me know what string
[21:42] <ikonia> "will you please stop making smart comment such as example: thanks for being the internet police" yes/no
[21:43] <Fritzendugan> yes
[21:43] <ikonia> "will you please not be rude to people such as the rant about me being a fan boy" yes/no
[21:44] <Fritzendugan> http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/yes1.html
[21:44] <ikonia> I'm done with this
[21:44] <ikonia> I'm not interested in more smart responses
[21:45] <ikonia> I'm asking for yes/no responses to be as clear and simple as possible
[21:45] <Fritzendugan> and I'm not interested in answering yes to a thousand questions
[21:45] <ikonia> two questions,
[21:45] <ikonia> that's all it was
[21:45] <ikonia> I'll leave you to deal with someone else, sorry
[21:45] <Fritzendugan> well maybe you can give me a progress bar next time
[21:56] <CarlFK> Fritzendugan: you seem more interested in sparing than resolving.   sparing can be fun, but if you continue it when the other person is not interested, that is not nice.
[21:56] <CarlFK> personally, I would call it harassment.
[21:58] <CarlFK> <- me gets back to work.
[21:58] <Fritzendugan> Actually, I've explained numerous times that I'm ready to move on and be un-muted
[21:58] <Fritzendugan> but for some reason ikonia wants me to jump through hoops
[21:59] <Fritzendugan> One definition of harassment is "a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented," if anything I am being harassed. I've been dealing with this issue for well past an hour.
[22:00] <Fritzendugan> CarlFK, if you could explain to me how I'm harassing him, exactly.
[22:04] <CarlFK> If you need that, I am not the one.  I suggest you find someone in real life that you trust.
[22:05] <Fritzendugan> Actually, what I need is for someone to un-mute me. If I were you, I'd be careful about making "smart responses" as ikonia has warned me before about them.
[22:05] <Fritzendugan> I wouldn't want you to get muted.
[22:53] <ikonia> Fritzendugan: I'm really sorry, I can't seem to find any other operators awake/available at this time (very unusual)
[22:53] <ikonia> Fritzendugan: you may want to /part /come back later, it's very rare for only one guy to be awake at this time
[22:53] <ikonia> just didn't want you to think you'd been forgot about
[22:55] <IdleOne> Fritzendugan: I am going to remove the mute but I would ask you to avoid debating in #ubuntu. We do have #ubuntu-offtopic for civil debating if you want to join there
[22:55] <IdleOne> mute has been removed.
[22:56] <IdleOne> Please part this channel and have a good $time_of_day
[23:34] <Fritzendugan> IdleOne, totally understood, thanks