[06:44] <knightwise> morning everyone ! :)
[06:46] <mapps> hey all
[06:46] <mapps> :D
[06:46] <mapps> hey knightwise
[06:46] <knightwise> hey mapps :) how are you today
[06:46] <mapps> not bad mate..going sleep in a bit
[06:46] <mapps> :D
[06:46] <knightwise> ha :)
[06:46] <knightwise> i just go up
[06:46] <knightwise> working on my macbook pro. Installed 14.04 on it
[06:47] <knightwise> now just need to find out a way to move my bootloader over to the right partition
[06:47] <knightwise> rookie mistake !
[06:47] <mapps> nuce
[06:47] <mapps> aha
[06:47] <mapps> i was out for the froch fight
[06:47] <mapps> then came home and went out again at 3am
[06:47] <mapps> :)
[06:47] <knightwise> froch fight ?
[06:48] <mapps> the boxing match
[06:48] <mapps> froch v groves
[06:48] <mapps> went to the casino for 10..was done by 1030
[06:48] <mapps> went home..watched anchorman went back out at 3;p
[06:49] <knightwise> haha :)
[06:49] <knightwise> zo you gonna catch some ZZZ's
[06:50] <mapps> yeaa in a bit
[06:50] <mapps> went strip club too..yawn
[06:50] <mapps> :D
[06:50] <knightwise> hahahah :)
[06:50] <mapps> 'oh i really like you'
[06:50] <mapps> 'oh im a moron and believe you'
[06:50] <knightwise> * now give me a dollar !*
[06:50] <mapps> yep
[06:50] <mapps> lol
[06:50] <mapps> 'oh i got no money' *walks off*
[06:50] <mapps> :P
[06:50] <knightwise> men are surprisingly naive when most of there blood is below their belt
[06:51] <shauno> the age old problem.  two brains, and only enough blood to run one at a time
[06:52] <knightwise> indeed
[06:52] <knightwise> hey funkyHat
[06:52] <mapps> im not a mug i just say
[06:52] <mapps> 'no got no money;
[06:53] <mapps> suddenly they dont like me
[06:53] <mapps> :D
[06:54] <knightwise> hahah
[06:59] <knightwise> damn :)
[06:59] <knightwise> muscle memory getting in the way . i keep pressing the command key instead of the control key
[07:00] <mapps> heh
[07:01] <knightwise> I need to switch them around in the compiz meny
[07:01] <knightwise> menu
[07:02] <knightwise> I'm gonna get a new laptop for my company (i just started a business) and I think i'm gonna go for a macbook air 11.6 inch ( I7, 8gb, 500gigSSD) that I can use to dual boot OSX and ubuntu
[07:03] <knightwise> So i'm using my (old) macbook pro as a training ground to get everything setup
[07:04] <mapps> macs are nice
[07:06] <knightwise> true
[07:06] <knightwise> The age of my macbook  is starting to show in the fact that it has a resolution of 1280 by 800 on a 13.3 inch screen
[07:06] <knightwise> thats a little on the low side
[07:07] <shauno> the current (non-retina) 13" is exactly the same
[07:07] <knightwise> hey shauno
[07:07] <shauno> morning
[07:08] <knightwise> I am waiting untill the WWDC is over next week to make sure they are NOT planning a retina version of the 11.6 inch
[07:08] <knightwise> if they don't i'm ordering the current one.
[07:08] <knightwise> but i'll be going for a 11.6 inch
[07:08] <knightwise> that size is just too damn handy
[07:17] <knightwise> btw , have any of you tried conky-manager ?
[09:19] <shauno> finally started watching 24.  seems like just the ticket for 12hr shifts
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:41] <mapps> hey all
[13:15]  * SuperEngineer is upgrading lubuntu on netbook from 12.04 to 14.04... upgrade by painfully slow upgrade
[13:15]  * SuperEngineer taps fingers impatiently
[13:16] <penguin42> netbooks don't have the fastest disks
[13:17] <SuperEngineer> Pendulum: nor the fastest processors... the download was faster than the [ongoing] configuring
[13:17] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: ^
[13:17] <penguin42> nod
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> [but it is fun having 3 different "buntus": 12.04 ubuntu on desktop; 12.04 xubuntu on HP mini [used as a docs machine for work] [with steam for boring sorfware reloads; lubuntu on netbook... keeps one "occupied"
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> I was once asked how I knew about xbuntu when I claimed to be a Ubuntu desktop user..
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> ..I fired up the netbook & mini in front of them and added the "now imagine a full blown desktop with proper ubuntu on it at home" bit
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> ...the person who asked is now a convert :D
[13:28] <penguin42> nod, I run mostly KDE, although my dads on Mate and my mum  I think has Unity
[13:44] <popey> just dug out an Eee 900
[13:44] <popey> should probably put this away in the loft, will never get used really
[13:46] <popey> heh, its running 12.04
[13:48] <popey> last booted this exactly 5 months ago
[13:50]  * SuperEngineer thinks of offering ££ pounds for Eee900
[13:51] <penguin42> it's worth more than £2 - a little bit more
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> £££ perhaps?
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:54] <popey> according to ebay, no
[13:54] <popey> heh, found an eee 701 on ebay for 120 quid.. optimistic
[13:54] <popey> still has the original xandros install
[13:55] <popey> i think the description is supposed to say "Notebook" but it got nicely truncated...
[13:55] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-Eee-PC-4G-Surf-7-4-GB-Intel-Celeron-M-900-MHz-512-MB-Ultraportable-No-/161323121293
[13:56] <penguin42> phhh - £120 for a 7 inch?!
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> darn - I was hoping you wouldn't check, popey ;)
[14:07] <popey> takes a while to update ☻
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> help! lubuntu netbook 12-.04->12.10 upgrade ok.  Just kicked off upgrade to 13.10 & stuck on "Do you want to start the upgrade" screen...
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> can't move it to see the buttons - or find a key press to accept
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> ...all ideas accepted ;)
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> damn window is to big for netbook screen
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> [big = tall]
[14:16] <popey> can you navigate it with tab keys?
[14:16] <popey> tab and space
[14:16] <popey> hold down ALT on window to move it around with mouse
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> popey: will try it [ I Alt-F4'd out of it & noe restarting upgrade
[14:19]  * SuperEngineer plugs in mouse & hopes ;)
[14:21] <penguin42> plug in a monitor?
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no need
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> popey: once again, Sir, you are a hero.  Thank you :)
[14:26] <popey> yay
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> things not to do when upgrading netbook - doze off just before the upgrader asks a question... zzzz... :)
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> still here we go - no probs so far
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> whoopee - finally.... netbook lubuntu 12.04->13.10->14.04 upgrade is upgrading to 14.04 [fingers crossed]
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> only prob noticed so far [in 13.10] was gnome-do didn't auto start... nice to have something to do after all going so well [so far] ;)
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - should I take the opprtunity to catch up on work emails during upgrade?
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> work email or tv ... work email or tv... so hard to choose [not!]
[17:57] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/bill-remix.mp3
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> Laney: Rick Wakeman does The Bill?
[18:15] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: crikey, i'd have just clean installed.
[18:17] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: I too that thatr was a good idea - but I was determined [just for once ] to see what an upgrade to upgrade to upgrade was like - not too bad so far
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> [though been bleach biting at end of each upgrade too keep some free space towards start of didk ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> haha
[18:18] <daftykins> i'd imagine there's a fair stash of useless kernels mounting, yeah
[18:21] <SuperEngineer> surprisingly, during the 12.10 -> 13.10 I noticed it automaticaly removed old kernel but as synaptic's there by default removal of "spares" isn't that hard even if it hadn't
[18:21] <daftykins> GUI package management!? heresy!
[18:21] <daftykins> how come you didn't have to go 12.10 to 13.04, to 13.10 ?
[18:23] <SuperEngineer> *that* is a question I will not know the answer to! It went from 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.10
[18:23] <SuperEngineer> [but I have no complaint about that!]
[18:23] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:24] <popey> you dont have to with 12.04
[18:24] <popey> er, 14.04
[18:24] <popey> we support direct upgrades from releases between 12.04 and 14.04 to 14.04
[18:25] <popey> because of the strange support timescales for the inbetween releases
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: ^ ...& there is the answer... thanks popey
[18:26] <daftykins> i understand LTS to LTS
[18:26] <daftykins> ho-hum
[18:26] <daftykins> i think if you can clean install it's undue waste on the package mirrors really
[18:27] <popey> clean install = ~800MB+ and then the post-install updates.
[18:27] <popey> so still a fair chunk of updates
[18:27] <popey> with an upgrade you jump directly to latest
[18:28] <daftykins> not in the above scenario
[18:28] <popey> well thats unusual.
[18:28] <daftykins> yep
[18:28] <popey> he could have jumped though, and not gone through everyone
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> I've done this upgrade in less time thanm it would have taken to download the full iso - create disk or usb - install - reload extras
[18:28] <daftykins> i've a couple of VMs on 10.04 server still
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> *than
[18:29] <daftykins> maybe, but i wouldn't fancy the likely quirks i anticipate with upgrades :D
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> That's the fun I'm about to find out!
[18:30] <popey> my laptop has gone 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> any probs encountered?
[18:30] <popey> sure, i upgraded to dev releases
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:32]  * SuperEngineer checks temperature of netbook - whew...so far, so good
[18:35] <daftykins> whoops, Nexus 4 just came out of my pocket totally unresponsive
[18:35] <daftykins> power button did nothing, but managed to get to bootloader and boot normally
[18:35] <daftykins> D:
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: next time - don't drop it down the loo bowl!
[18:36] <daftykins> but it wanted to go for a swim :(
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> "Global warming will lead to a significant increase in extreme summer downpours and flash floods in the UK, a study suggests."  Any other suprises, BBC? Preferably ones we hadn't already noticed!
[18:58]  * SuperEngineer lives where a whole county went underwater in July!
[19:01] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Note those are the downpours/flash floods rather than the month long pour downs that cause prelonged flooding
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: In Gloucestershire a very few years back it happened in *one* downpour, one afternoon.
[19:03] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Right, and that's what they're predicting more of I think, rather than the type of thing that caused last winters problems
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> agrred - but it ain't "news"
[19:04] <penguin42> shrug
[19:04] <shauno> it's better than an elephant taking a 'selfie' :/
[19:04] <SuperEngineer> ...it's just depressing
[19:04] <penguin42> shauno: Yes!
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> shauno: I show that pic - rather that than where it *could* have pointed the camera ;)
[19:07] <SuperEngineer> sub show/saw
[19:10]  * SuperEngineer always giggles when watching installs/updaes... and see "girl2" passing by in terminal !! #chiildish!
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> ..but is always reassured when machine has successfully installed the girls!
[19:13] <penguin42> it might be reassuring for you....
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> oooh - it is!
[19:13] <shauno> plural?  usually installing girl2 causes a lot of problems with girl1
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> shauno: depends on your relationship with girlx - - if anythinfg goes wrong... "..but it wasn't my fault - she just appeared & forced her way in... honest!"
[19:17] <SuperEngineer> never do a - "sudo upgrade girl" - unless you really know what you you are doing!
[19:18] <diddledan> yeah, because "bash: upgrade: not found"
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> agreed
[19:19] <diddledan> and just to prove it I just tried, slightly different message than my attempt at memory above, but it reports: "sudo: upgrade: command not found"
[19:19] <SuperEngineer> doh!
[19:19] <diddledan> I think that's just trying to tell me I'm single tho
[19:20] <daftykins> this foreign neighbour behind my place is on the phone, i can hear *both* sides of the convo
[19:20] <daftykins> @_@
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: give a shout out and say "hi" to both for me please
[19:21] <daftykins> heh
[19:21] <daftykins> ugh why do Europeans require such greater volume to speak?
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: it's revenge for brits doing the same abroad
[19:22] <diddledan> PAS D'IDÉE
[19:23] <SuperEngineer> :$
[20:43] <SuperEngineer> well, that's the upgrades done [would have been quicker if I hadn't had a snooze half way through!]
[20:45] <SuperEngineer> no problems apart from the one I was expecting - gnome-do doesn't work on the 14.04 lubuntu - ho hum - I can live without that if I must ;)(
[20:48] <SuperEngineer> [just noticed that it isn't in the lubuntu 14.04 software centre]
[20:48] <SuperEngineer> ...even though it still shoes in synaptic [hmmmm]
[20:48] <SuperEngineer> no probs - I ain't crying