[02:00] shadeslayer: ^^^ can you ask afiestas? [02:05] hey jose [02:05] hello, ahoneybun :) [02:05] jose: what is the foss conf in orlando this yeat? [02:05] *year [02:06] ahoneybun: fossetcon, fossetcon.org [02:07] signup is closed? [02:10] wow 54 bucks to take a train there [02:10] well to orlando [02:12] jose: you put that email about UOS? [02:13] ahoneybun: signup is not open yet but the call for papers is open [02:13] which email about UOS? [02:13] about sessions [02:14] oh, I think that was valorie [02:14] sorry yea [02:14] but, if needed, I can approve sessions in both the community and cloud devops tracks [02:14] I was trying to get one for the Kubuntu Docs team like there is one for the ubuntu docs team [02:15] but the blueprint did not show up [02:15] ahoneybun: do you have a link for it? [02:15] does not show up at all [02:15] jose: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/05/28/calling-for-ubuntu-online-summit-sessions/ [02:15] oh, that one, yeah, I did :P [02:16] ahoneybun: it needed to be approved, it's approved now [02:16] should show up in Summit shortly so I can schedul it [02:16] do you have any preferred times? [02:16] oh [02:17] I'm on the EST time zone so Tu-F 3:00pm to 9:00pm [02:17] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+spec/community-1406-kubuntu-documentation-team [02:17] Mon is class [02:17] hmm, lemme check [02:17] I might want to change the project [02:18] to kubuntu [02:18] ahoneybun: are you on EST or EDT? [02:18] UTC-5:00 [02:18] https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=New+York+time+zone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 [02:19] you're on -4 right now [02:19] * ahoneybun has lots of planning to do now [02:19] ahoneybun: I can schedule it at 3PM EDT on Tue, Wed or Thu [02:19] where is the pad we use [02:19] Maybe valorie can join in too [02:20] need to know her times though [02:20] the blueprint is not on the system right now, so you might need to wait a bit to get the pad [02:20] * ahoneybun emails here [02:20] *her [02:23] hey valorie which time would be better for a UOS session for Kubuntu Docs Team for you 3PM EDT on Tue, Wed or Thu? [02:25] thanks jose [02:25] not a prob :) [02:25] off to netflix and bed [02:25] * jose notes that 3 PM EDT = 19 UTC [02:25] enjoy! [06:20] good morning [09:47] 'Morning folks [09:55] Noskcaj: I don't follow your upower question [09:58] shadeslayer: I think he's just asking if kde will break with upower 0.99 [09:59] yes and no [09:59] it will build [09:59] but no gurantee that it'll work [09:59] well yeah, that was the question ^^ === vinay is now known as Guest87640 [10:32] yofel: any clue why cvsservice was dropped [10:32] seems like it just got lost in the split [10:37] shadeslayer: got lost I believe [10:37] ack [10:48] shadeslayer: election card overdue [10:48] thx for reminding [10:48] * shadeslayer needs to close vote [10:49] apachelogger: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#Election_Process_.28.28TBD.29.29 [10:49] looks done to me? [10:50] shadeslayer: I cannot give my vote nowhere [10:50] ah [10:51] I thought TBD meant that the section was still being hashed out in words [10:51] well yeah, it's not exactly very helpful :P [10:52] I think it gets the point across [11:08] ScottK: do you have a HTML template for the CIVS description? [11:39] I just copied/pasted the one before. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [12:10] santa_: I'm not merging your allLibrary variable as it looks to me like it just adds complexity rather than simplifies, otherwise all good [12:21] santa_: and I removed polkit from kauth, it's qt4 [12:22] Riddell: ah, ok apparently the cmake stuff asks for it [12:23] yes, longstanding upstream problem [12:46] "Git 2.0.0 released" waa, and I only just half understand git 1! [12:51] :p [12:51] shadeslayer: oh btw, I think there is a script for getting all the email addys of members [12:51] I know [12:52] gives me 41 members [12:52] k [12:52] though we have 46 [12:52] people who list no email addy on launchpad will have to request access manually [12:52] yep, just double checking poll description [12:52] will send it out shortly [12:54] actually [12:54] emails going out [12:54] what I just thought of [12:54] apachelogger: too late [12:54] I think we could simply change the script to list $lpid@ubuntu.com [12:54] probably [12:55] AFAIK the primary email on lunchpad will be what that leads to anyway [12:55] so in theory that should cover all members [12:55] and if someone has an invalid primary or whatever they would not get the mail eitherway [12:56] true [12:56] doesn't launchpad have a 'send to all members' button? [12:56] mail goes through civs [12:56] ah dang [12:58] Mail not going through launchpad is a feature, not a bug. [13:01] ^^ [13:01] yofel: everyone gets a unique url [13:02] no one ever nominates me [13:02] yeah, I forgot about that for a second [13:02] life's a harsh mistress sometimes [13:03] Actual votes cast thus far: 4 , hurray, 10% votes casted [13:04] as a new member how do I get the *ubuntu email address? [13:04] that won't reach 50% IIRC :'< [13:04] sgclark: should get one after a while [13:05] ok [13:05] sgclark: did someone tell you to change your launchpad id btw? ^^ [13:05] you can't if you've published packages [13:05] huh? [13:05] I think you had a launchpad id with a number or something [13:05] yep ^^ [13:05] and then ubuntu address is lpid@ubuntu.com/kubuntu.org [13:06] council not telling people about things... [13:07] apachelogger: blasphemy [13:07] sgclark: you'll want to delete your ppa, then you should be able to change your username on launchpad to something other than scarlett-7 [13:07] again, don't think so, you can't change once you've published packages I think [13:07] you can delete ppas [13:08] then you can change again [13:08] shadeslayer: the id itself has no baring on the publishing process in general [13:08] I was not aware I have to change it? change it to what? sorry I am confused [13:08] works the other way around through the packages it will figure out which account did a change etc. [13:08] sgclark: right now you'll get an email address scarlett-7@ubuntu.com [13:09] oh eww [13:09] if you want something nicer like sgclark@ubuntu.com you have to change your launchpad name [13:09] I see now, thanks [13:09] sgclark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Changing_your_Launchpad_name [13:09] sgclark: fwiw I don't see your email in the kubuntu-members email list [13:10] so I'll add you manually to the poll [13:11] https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit <- untick ' Hide my email addresses from other Launchpad users' to fix that :P [13:11] ok yeah had to delete my PPA, I have to wait for that to complete [13:12] I would like to start moving to my new email when I get that sorted tbh [13:13] unhidden thanks [13:13] random word of advise: since the @kubuntu/@ubuntu addresses are aliases you always need your primary address on launchpad to be another one or you won't get any mail [13:14] * apachelogger didn't think of that and broke email delivery for a month ^^ [13:15] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty [13:15] Was any testing done for those? [13:16] Quintasan: they should be fine, want to put them in -proposed? [13:16] * yofel totally forgot.. [13:16] yofel: Do we have any script for that? [13:17] kubuntu-archive-upload --sru should do it [13:17] l10n you'll have to do by hand as usual [13:18] crap [13:19] yofel: Can't do it now. Somebody turned off my PC @ home. [13:19] np, there's still 3 days until .2 [13:21] yofel: I could do it [13:46] "chris.halls@credativ.co.uk has been removed from kubuntu-devel" aww, he's one of the original folks who was there at the start when there was only 3 of us [13:56] aw [13:58] * yofel just realized that he's been here for almost 5 years now... [13:58] time sure flies [13:59] how the octopus do we automate kf5/plasmanext/jellyfishworkspace packaging? [14:00] it's gonna be a drag^2 without some scripteroo [14:01] IIRC we have a --kf5 mode for the automation stuff, not sure what else so far [14:01] maybe a --mode=foo switch would be better [14:01] --mode=unicorns [14:01] there [14:01] I just made it awesome [14:01] * apachelogger throws an empty coffee mug [14:02] yofel: what's that do? [14:02] --mode=doctor is more awesome [14:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp5a-r3MJU [14:02] apachelogger: use a different package list file I think? Riddell added it IIRC [14:03] sounds like a drag already [14:03] down with the manual lists I say [14:03] it's not like kf5 or plasma are that different from the sc [14:03] there's just more of it at different release cycles [14:03] well, we could delete some... [14:03] more of it means more possibility to screw up packaging, because we need to split everything 3 times over [14:03] the backport lists are there on purpose though, the other ones could be temporary [14:04] Actual votes cast thus far: 10 [14:05] ~25% voting done [14:06] if I had a firmer grasp on what our automation does and needs to do I'd totally be able to comment in a useful way xD [14:06] grab bzr, update bzr with new release number, grab tar, smash them together, run bzr-buildpackage [14:07] apachelogger: they're a really elaborate launchpad glue for a bunch of subprocess calls that do what you usually do [14:08] right [14:08] so [14:08] what if I need to make a change that applies to all frameworks [14:08] because really frameworks are very much alike at this point so a change to the packaging of one may well applie to every framework in its tier or all of them even [14:09] and let's make it interesting that changes happens outside a release packaging [14:10] bash for loops are your friend [14:10] so you want to script rubbish manually whenever such a case arises? [14:10] didn't bother people enough to far to make a script [14:11] https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks kf5 beta 3 up <-- [14:11] altough that idea is essentially how the backport hooks work [14:18] anyone in germany want to see if they can renew our web server? [14:18] I'm pretty sure you'll have to ask whoever owns it about that [14:20] yofel: the trouble is the guy who owns it has e-mailed to remind us that it's going to run out on june 26th [14:21] yofel: so I e-mailed back to say how do we renew and I've not heard back [14:21] hm.. [14:21] yofel: would you be able to phone them up and ask? [14:26] I could I guess... are we covering the costs for it then? [14:26] yofel: yes, council has agreed to do so [14:28] Riddell: you could ask for costs to be reimbursed via the donation pot [14:29] same thing, it's all kubuntu council money [14:30] sgclark: lots of lovely new kf5 packages for fixing http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.100.0_trusty.html [14:30] Riddell: ok [14:32] why do they fail so much? [14:33] dunno, to be investigated [14:33] version incompat [14:33] CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:28 (find_package): [14:33] Could not find a configuration file for package "KF5JS" that is compatible [14:33] with requested version "4.100.0". [14:33] ^ also needs handling in automation [14:33] hmm, maybe the scripts didn't update the build-depends [14:34] foo it didn't [14:34] I'll do a mass update [14:34] ok so script issue? [14:34] ok [14:34] sgclark: unless you want to do it [14:35] Riddell: probably something I should learn at some point [14:36] sgclark: well I'd just do it with bash loops, I could show you on an ec2 or just try and describe it here [14:37] Riddell: describe here should be fine [14:37] I've a list of the frameworks http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/LIST [14:38] and I run stuff like for asdf in `cat LIST`; do echo ${asdf}; mkdir ${asdf}; done [14:38] ^ why can't the automationdo that? [14:38] apachelogger: that's the next issue to fix that [14:38] just make a list of things wrong with the automation please :P [14:39] can't run automation init script twice [14:39] we have a rewrite card, so we best rewrite things and then accomodate new use cases [14:39] as to not write code for new use cases and possibly have to start over because the rewrite changed the architecture or something [14:39] sgclark: and I run stuff like for asdf in `cat LIST`; do echo ${asdf}; cd ${asdf}; kbzr co ${asdf}; cd ..; done [14:40] sgclark: then one to run sed s,4.99.0,4.100.0, debian/control -i [14:40] and another for extra-cmake-modules build-dep version [14:40] then ones to bzr diff bzr commit bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s 2 [14:40] and then fix the automation script so it does the right thing next time :) [14:41] hah ok [14:42] hm, I fixed the "does really stupid things when run twice" issue in the script really, I think what's missing is a suffix parameter for the upload [14:42] you would probably be faster on this round, but I will improve my scripting skills [14:43] you would end up with the same commit message again though [14:55] so much stuff to mere @_@ [14:58] yes [14:58] how does merging work? [15:00] very manual [15:00] drag^3 [15:01] Quintasan: I need some polish vodka [15:01] to tide over merges [15:01] Quintasan: the hazelnut stuff [15:01] ualcoholic [15:01] merges do that to you [15:01] also I've come to love polish vodka :3 [15:01] wanna do some python code reading instead [15:02] no thx [15:02] pft [15:02] that stuff makes you a drug user [15:02] our cmake log parser is way too fragile [15:02] I repaired one bit now another bit broke [15:02] and I don't know any dealers [15:03] sounds like a kerfuffle [15:03] did I mention that ark can easily be crashed by trying to close it while it is loading? [15:03] one of the top crasheroos that is [15:03] you can do that to kmail too [15:06] with kmail it doesn't surprise me that much [15:06] it's very big with many a great things it uses [15:06] but ark... [15:06] apachelogger: fixed by tsdgeos [15:06] or I vaguely recall seeing a patch [15:07] apachelogger: yeah, you're old man, update and stop complaining _P [15:07] pft [15:07] I can't we first have to package 3000 tarballs .... [15:08] someone please explain the ppa-status script to me [15:08] self-documenting >.> [15:09] yesyes [15:09] * Riddell watches #ubuntu-meeting for rohan grilling [15:09] it marks the i386 build orange because "No lintian output in build log." [15:09] and the amd64 build it marks green [15:09] because I dunno [15:09] IIRC that was so someone actually notices if the lintian stuff is broken [15:09] yes [15:09] and amd64 has no arch:all build, so no lintian and list-missing checks [15:10] but why only i386 [15:10] # Lintian output is only generated on i386 [15:10] if (arch == "i386"): [15:10] ah [15:10] Riddell: boo :P [15:10] holy mother of :@ [15:10] so here's a story [15:11] mgraesslin noticed that the neon5 status page does not correctly track the orangeness of kinfocenter [15:11] so it turns out the cmake parser is kaput since forever as the cmake format changed (something I explicitly warned about when we first talked about automation btw :P) [15:11] so I repaired the cmake parser [15:12] and as it turns out the broken cmake parser somehow prevented the lintian thing to work as well [15:12] so now all i386 builds in neon5 are orange while previously they were green (because of the lintian thing...) [15:12] I must deduce that the script is not at all reliable and prolly should have been rewritten yesterday :'< [15:14] well wait [15:14] do you have a patched pkg-kde-tools package in your ppa? [15:14] no, we no use pkg-kde-tools [15:14] that's why it's orange [15:14] ah ok, then you'll have to cover lintian yourself [15:15] my problem is not with it being orange it's with the fact that previously half the cmake parser and the entire lintian check was broken and no one noticed because of how the script that does not handle error cases well/atall [15:16] well yeah, at the beginning the scripts had no error handling at all. I added a bunch, but that was more bandaid than anything [15:25] * Riddell learns about seeded-in-ubuntu [15:25] * apachelogger too [15:25] xD [15:25] lol [15:25] u so silly [15:25] old people. [15:27] nothing wrong with grep seeds/*/* [15:28] I use the archive tools' edit-acl ^^ [15:28] although that's more package set than seed [15:29] * apachelogger never actually had to check whether something is seeded, outside the scope of kubuntu anyway [15:30] I am too stupid to use python argparse [15:30] yofel: you surely know about the argparse, right? :S [15:31] didn't know about it until felix used it for the scripts, it's rather simple [15:31] * yofel always use optparse [15:31] *used [15:31] I don't manage to add an option without argument [15:31] perhaps impossible given the name [15:32] apachelogger: add action='store_true' [15:32] see like, the archive-upload script? e.g. --sru [15:32] or store_false [15:33] debfx: cheers [15:37] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc [15:39] shadeslayer: congratz === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Congratulations elite MOTU rohan! | Kubuntu - 9/10 Jellyfish Love It | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) | Council meeting Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:00 PM UTC [15:39] shadeslayer++ [15:39] FYI: kubuntu-ppa-build-status now has a might --nolintian option to avoid the lintian check [15:39] thanks :P [15:40] also much long topic with outdated rubbish [15:40] someone clean dat topic === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Congratulations elite MOTU rohan! | Kubuntu - 9/10 Jellyfish Love It | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) [15:40] there, shorter [15:41] I find it quite worrying how wrap-and-sort likes to delete packages from debian/control [15:41] really? I have not had that [15:41] los rubbish [15:41] why wrap-and-sort? [15:41] thanks for reminding me that I wanted to file a bug about that -.- [15:42] apachelogger: debian uses it, so merge-diff-reducing [15:42] jebus [15:42] actually it will increase the delta I think [15:42] Riddell: FWIW, if you fix the mess it did by hand, it shouldn't break it again [15:42] apachelogger: it won't [15:42] you sure? [15:43] I'm sick and tired of looking at install file diff where debian sorted and someone here just added files to the bottom [15:43] ah, install, who cares about install [15:43] wildcard all the shits :P [15:43] or more to the point [15:43] I run it on everything now, but concerned with the deletes stuff stated above heh [15:43] if we didn't split everything three times over we'd not need install files [15:44] Riddell: really? it deletes shit? :O\ [15:44] sgclark: just verify that it didn't do anything stupid after running it (bzr diff usually tells you that pretty fast :P ) [15:44] pft bzr diff [15:44] bzr qdiff ftw [15:44] yofel: ok [15:44] with nice colors [15:44] my brain has been thanking me several times for switching to kompare and bzr qt :P [15:44] apachelogger: take that up with debian [15:44] are we sharing repos yet? [15:45] shadeslayer: FWIW, becoming a member of qt-kde on alioth is usually pretty trivial [15:45] which reminds me that I'm actually a member.. [15:45] I *might* already be one [15:45] but I haven't logged into alioth in forever [15:45] * yofel makes his way home [15:45] might pick some low hanging merge fruits later [15:50] hmm, I wonder if I'm a member [15:56] sgclark: where, if anywhere, did you get to with the build-dep changes? [15:56] Riddell: said it would be faster if you did, but I am trying now as I noticed they were unchanged :) [15:59] sgclark: I just did a load of updates so you'll need to bzr update if you have a checkout [16:00] Riddell: kbzr is where? [16:00] Riddell: lasts changes https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+activereviews feel free to decline if you already did one of these [16:01] sgclark: kubuntu-dev-tools [16:01] lp:kubuntu-dev-tools [16:01] ... and finally everything built https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/kubuntu-kf5-experiments [16:01] ty [16:01] no more kubuntu today :P [16:06] Riddell: is there a way to have bazaar remember my passphrase... [16:07] sgclark: it should use your gpg no? so I guess it's a passphrase you have on the key? [16:07] yeah [16:08] s/gpg/ssh/ [16:08] Riddell meant: "sgclark: it should use your ssh no? so I guess it's a passphrase you have on the key?" [16:08] but hmm, I don't know [16:09] santa_: merged, thanks! [16:10] :) [16:14] sgclark: I'm off soon, you can throw them up into the ppa when you make them, make sure you run bzr update as I've merged some bits from santa now [16:15] Riddell: ok :) have a good night [16:15] sgclark: the plasma-workspace conflicts are interesting, I'll get onto fix them upstream tomorrow [16:16] Riddell: ok thank you [16:16] sgclark: plasma-workspace source should be ust plasma-workspace no need for a -kf5 on the end [16:16] Riddell: ok will fix that [16:16] or in plasma-workspace-kf5-data .deb, also there's in incorrect "Depends: plasma-workspace-kf5" [16:18] Riddell: ahh riht, other way around right? [16:20] sgclark: plasma-workspace-kf5-data should be plasma-workspace-data and it doesn't need to depend on anything much [16:20] plasma-workspace should depend on plasma-workspace-data [16:20] fixed [16:21] will upload that as well when built [16:21] * Riddell out [16:22] shadeslayer: how do I turn off notifications in the new black themed spotify client? [16:22] I don't really want to know what every new song is called [16:32] Riddell: oi, whats this "JR's going away" stuff? [16:32] What? [16:33] ScottK: not kubuntu related i dont think [16:33] Riddell: (on fb) [16:34] ScottK: saw a thing about a going away party for him and wondered [16:34] Hmmmm [16:36] exporting scottish influence around the world? [16:39] Dunno. So far that's proven to be pretty hazardous. [16:40] indeed [16:42] There's http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme more generally too. [16:43] hahah yes i remember that [16:43] from reading a bit of a scottish history book [16:43] "what's got the english so rich?" "colonies!" "ok we'll get ourselves a colony. what isn't taken yet?" "uh...hmm...well there's this little bit of land overrun with mosquitos and malaria..." "PERFECT!" [17:11] sgclark: there's ssh-agent for not typing the ssh password all the time [17:11] run 'ssh-add' to unlock the key [17:12] yofel: yay! thanks [17:12] was taking the automation out of it lol [17:13] yeah, and there's gpg-agent for the other key, though that might need enabling in the config file [17:23] yofel: I was able to change my launchpad id to sgclark, is there anything else I need to do to get the *ubuntu email? [17:24] I don't *think* so, the alias updates are automatic I think, might take a while though [17:24] ok thank you [17:34] Riddell: why are you staging in experimental? [17:36] * apachelogger hijacks builders [17:40] yofel: ok so bzr diff confirms that wrap-and-sort is indeed doing stupid things eg. removed -dev packages, just skip it? [17:41] sgclark: rather fix what it did wrong, from what I've seen it won't break it again after that [17:42] yofel: ok [17:42]