[15:01] <Laney> ok
[15:01] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:01] <bdrung_work> o/
[15:02] <Laney> we have one vote via email already so need three people
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:03] <stgraber> so looks like we've got quorum for shadeslayer (if only barely)
[15:03] <shadeslayer> hey ho :)
[15:03] <stgraber> hey there
[15:03] <Laney> cool
[15:04] <Laney> #startmeeting DMB
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  2 15:04:18 2014 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <Laney> #topic Action items
[15:04] <ScottK> Sorta here. In transit.
[15:04] <Laney> Hrm, they were cleared or never added to gthe agenda
[15:04] <Laney> Anyway, AFAIK it was just creating the virt set which xnox did
[15:04] <Laney> with stgraber's help
[15:05] <Laney> stgraber: want to run your eagle eye over the team's configuration?
[15:06] <stgraber> Laney: yep, doing that now
[15:06] <Laney> cheers
[15:06] <Laney> let's do this application thing
[15:06] <stgraber> there are problems, fixing
[15:06] <Laney> #topic MOTU application: Rohan Garg
[15:07] <Laney> hi shadeslayer
[15:07] <shadeslayer> hi everyone! :)
[15:07] <Laney> could you introuce yourself?
[15:07] <stgraber> Laney: for the record, the DMB should never be a member of a packaging team, core-dev should always be a member (without an expiry) and existing members should have a two years expiry (instead of 1)
[15:07] <Laney> xnox: ^^^^^
[15:08] <stgraber> also, members should be allowed to self-renew after 730 (instead of re-apply after 365)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Sure, I'm Rohan Garg, I've been contributing to Kubuntu for nearly 4 years now ( launchpad indicates that my first upload was in earl 2010 ), mostly involved in the packaging side, though I occassionaly also contribute bug fixes to KDE
[15:09] <stgraber> Laney: all fixed
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I'm currently a member of Kubuntu Dev, which allows me upload rights to most of KDE SC, however, I'd also like to contribute to the wider array of KDE packages and libraries that KDE builds upon in the ubuntu universe
[15:09] <Laney> stgraber: thanks
[15:10] <shadeslayer> wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer
[15:10] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[15:11] <Riddell> I support rohan, he's a top notch contributor and it would be great to have him easily able to help throughout universe land
[15:11] <Laney> but if it's not going to happen (if 4 people won't be there) I'd appreciate someone letting shadeslayer know and SMSing me
[15:12] <Laney> ffs sorry
[15:12] <stgraber> :)
[15:12] <Laney> I'm suffering from extreme latency
[15:12] <Laney> currently in a cafe
[15:13] <Laney> okay seems a bit better now
[15:13] <Laney> shadeslayer: thanks for the intro, good to see nice endorsements
[15:14] <Laney> do you plan on working on anything outside of non-seeded KDE stuff? :)
[15:15] <Laney> like sponsoring ;-)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> if it's within my domain, I can lend a hand sure
[15:16] <Riddell> he's also a merging master
[15:16] <stgraber> I guess that's the main point of that application right since you're already a member of kubuntu-dev and ubuntu-qt5-dev which I guess cover most of the existing kde packages
[15:16] <Laney> much stuff in the queue is fairly general
[15:16] <shadeslayer> for eg. I can understand basic autotools as well
[15:16] <shadeslayer> and moderately complex cmake things
[15:16] <Laney> exactly, like merges (although they are tiresome to review)
[15:17] <shadeslayer> true ^_^
[15:17] <Laney> (since you end up redoing the work)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> so sure, I can help with the sponsoring as when I have time :) , though I'll probably need some reminding every now and then ;)
[15:20] <Laney> do you work directly in debian-qt-kde?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> when the occassion calls for it, I've sent bug reports upstream, these days I'm working with maxy ( a debian DD ) to get delta reduced between debian and ubuntu KDE packages
[15:22] <stgraber> shadeslayer: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> I think so
[15:24] <shadeslayer> FWIW some examples of my work done in Debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;submitter=rohangarg%40kubuntu.org
[15:24] <stgraber> shadeslayer: do you know how to check if a given package affects a particular Ubuntu image?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> stgraber: you mean if it's seeded? seeded-in-ubuntu packagename
[15:25] <stgraber> shadeslayer: yep, good answer :)
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:25] <Laney> anyone got any more questions?
[15:26]  * Laney is done
[15:26] <Laney> bdrung_work: ScottK:
[15:26] <stgraber> shadeslayer: so say we are Tuesday of alpha-2 week, you want to sponsor a vlc merge, can you do it without any worries or should you refrain?
[15:26] <bdrung_work> finally seeded-in-ubuntu is talked of :)
[15:26] <stgraber> shadeslayer: consider that this is for the 14.10 cycle
[15:29] <shadeslayer> stgraber: if it's a bug fix release, I don't see a issue ( though maybe inform the Mythbuntu folks )
[15:30] <stgraber> shadeslayer: ok. Asking is always the safe way to go about this kind of things :)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> if it's a release with features, that /might/ cause potential bugs for Mythbuntu ISO's
[15:30] <shadeslayer> then collaborate with mythbuntu, get it tested in a PPA, and then land
[15:30] <stgraber> this was a trick question though as Mythbuntu is LTS-only and so doesn't really care about 14.10. For any other seeded package during a milestone week, it's usually expected to either refrain or talk to the affected flavors.
[15:31] <stgraber> Laney: no further question
[15:31] <Laney> thanks
[15:31] <Laney> bdrung_work: anything?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> you trickster you :P , but yeah, I'd just poke the relevant Mythbuntu folks
[15:31] <bdrung_work> Laney, yes, one
[15:32] <ScottK> No questions
[15:32] <Laney> go go go
[15:32] <bdrung_work> shadeslayer, do you plan to become a DD or to join the Debian KDE team to directly commit your changes to their git repositories?
[15:33] <bdrung_work> IMO that's the simplest way to keep the diff between Debian and Ubuntu small
[15:33]  * apachelogger puts cookies that might be considered bribe cookies in the channel
[15:34] <shadeslayer> I honestly don't know, usually I apply for upload permissions when I get annoyed that I can't fix stuff that annoys me or users, so far nothing like that has happened, when that happens, I'll probably apply :P
[15:34] <Laney> you can usually get team membership without upload rights
[15:34] <Laney> it lets you stage things directly in the vcs
[15:34] <Laney> (referring to alioth teams)
[15:35] <Laney> bdrung_work: anything more?
[15:35] <bdrung_work> no
[15:35] <bdrung_work> everything else was covered
[15:35] <Laney> thanks
[15:36] <shadeslayer> well, usually there's very little friction when I send a patch to a DD in the debian qt kde team, so haven't been frustrated enough to apply for the team
[15:36]  * Laney nods
[15:36] <Laney> It just turns "send a patch" into "commit a patch" :)
[15:36] <apachelogger> (random note regarding debian cooperation: there has been ongoing discussion about actually putting kubuntu package maintenance into the debian repos as to reduce merge overhead to somewhere close to nil)
[15:36] <Laney> #vote Should shadeslayer join ~motu?
[15:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should shadeslayer join ~motu?
[15:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:36] <stgraber> +1
[15:36] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:36] <bdrung_work> +1
[15:36] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung_work
[15:36] <Laney> +1 good endorsements, good work, good answers - thanks!
[15:36] <meetingology> +1 good endorsements, good work, good answers - thanks! received from Laney
[15:37] <Laney> ScottK: want to vote for realz?
[15:37] <Laney> well anwyay, he already voted +1 in an email
[15:37] <Laney> so...
[15:37] <Laney> #endvote
[15:37] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should shadeslayer join ~motu?
[15:37] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:37] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:37] <Laney> well done ;)
[15:37] <Laney> #action Laney to add shadeslayer to ~motu
[15:37] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to add shadeslayer to ~motu
[15:38] <Laney> #topic AOB
[15:38] <Laney> going
[15:39] <Laney> going
[15:39] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[15:39] <bdrung_work> shadeslayer, congrats!
[15:39] <Laney> gone
[15:39] <Laney> thanks all!
[15:39] <stgraber> shadeslayer: congrats!
[15:39] <Laney> #endmeeting
[15:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  2 15:40:13 2014 UTC.
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-02-15.04.moin.txt
[15:39] <stgraber> Laney: thanks!
[15:40] <Laney> shadeslayer: I added you
[15:40] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[15:40] <shadeslayer> yay
[15:40] <Laney> happy uploading
[15:45] <ScottK> Congrats shadeslayer.
[15:45] <shadeslayer> thx ScottK
[16:01] <xnox> stgraber: ack, I did 1 year, was going to remove DMB - but forgot (it gets auto-added when becomming an owner), didn't know about core-dev. Also did i correctly make ~ubuntu-virt-dev a member of ~ubuntu-dev ?
[16:01] <xnox> stgraber: thanks for fix ups.