[00:16] <mapps> gah raining again
[06:02] <MooDoo> morning
[06:03] <Monotoko> You're up early MooDoo
[06:06] <jussi> Monotoko: this is late for MooDoo...
[06:07] <Myrtti> moin
[06:09] <popey> morning
[06:09] <Myrtti> the day always starts great when you have a headache so bad you want to throw up
[06:11] <MooDoo> Monotoko: I start work at 7 so always in this early
[06:39] <jussi> morning Monotoko, MooDoo, Myrtti and popey
[06:50] <MooDoo> howdy jussi
[06:50] <jussi> o/
[08:10] <bashrc> morning ubuntuers
[08:11] <MooDoo> mornign
[08:12] <MooDoo> or morning even
[08:23] <ujjain> morning
[08:23] <MooDoo> moring
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Rocky Road Day! :-D
[08:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:51] <popey> pip pip
[08:51] <popey> I started learning django at the weekend. that was fun
[08:51] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that the majority of oggcamp attendees will be staying at the Travelodge?
[08:52] <popey> no idea
[08:52] <bigcalm> Going on price
[08:52] <bigcalm> 3 nights at the Travelodge being less than one night at the venue
[08:56] <popey> sounds like a plan
[08:57] <JamesTait> I'm still trying to work out who from my family will be attending this year.  Connagh wants to come again, but Callum wants to come as well, but I'm not sure about bringing them both along by myself, so I'm trying to convince my wife to come as well
[08:58] <JamesTait> In which case, if we can get someone to feed the cats, we might as well make a weekend of it and stay down there instead of driving there and back both days.
[09:05] <diplo-> Morning all
[09:05] <diplo-> Having a total blank, how do I find out who is using diplo username ?
[09:06] <popey>  /whois diplo
[09:07] <diplo-> Ah I did try that earlier but forgot the info goes to the status panel :/
[09:07] <bigcalm> diplo-: have you not registered your username?
[09:07] <diplo-> I have, it didn't seem to auth this morning
[09:07] <diplo-> Just about to now
[09:07] <diplo-> Registered : Sep 18 08:50:32 2005 (8 years, 37 weeks, 0 days, 00:13:39 ago)
[09:07] <diplo-> Blimey :)
[09:08] <bigcalm> You can now ghost Diplo :)
[09:08] <jussi> diplo-: if it is tied up somehow with services, or if someone else is squatting, you can use release and ghost nickserv commands
[09:09] <diplo-> Just looking at freenode faq now
[09:09] <bigcalm>  /msg nickserv ghost diplo
[09:09] <jussi> diplo-: /msg nickserv help ghost
[09:09] <diplo-> ta
[09:14] <andylockran> morning alls
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <DJones> Ah bollocks, just got asked to set a computer to print to a network printer, got there & pointed out that it was already set to use that printer, only reason it wasn['t printing was because it'd run out of paper....
[09:32] <bashrc> printers are always fun
[09:32] <brobostigon> lol.
[09:34] <foobarry> imagine the pain of 3d printers
[09:34] <bigcalm> Don't you love tech support? ;)
[09:34] <MooDoo> yes I do :)
[09:39] <bigcalm> Gah, NS&I haven't updated for the June draw. The 3 working day wait is painful
[09:41] <brobostigon> montgomery scott, ST-TOS, you have to keep up your reputation as a miracle worker.
[09:56] <dwatkins> DJones: reminds me of a previous existence where I would often go replace keyboards and mice and network cables, to discover that the people I was helping didn't even notice me half the time.
[09:58] <bigcalm> You just described the IT Crowd
[10:07] <foobarry> what's the latest on truecrypt?
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> status: unknown, presumed NSA stuff
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: best keep your eyes on http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec
[10:08] <foobarry> status:fork pending?
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> no
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> because a fork would have the same problem: US gov't agency could issue threats to the new devs just as easily
[10:09] <foobarry> i guess tahts why the truecrypt devs were anon in the first place
[10:09] <foobarry> but if the new devs live in sweden/vanautu/
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> There are ways.
[10:09] <diplo> Anyone recommend a usb hub to use with a PI ?
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> https://www.schneier.com/blog/ is also a good source
[10:10] <diplo> Not overly pricey but not rubbish either :)
[10:10] <foobarry> how to make an mp3 skips like a cd..open a java heavy page like the one for my SAN
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> wut..
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> haven't had that happen since I had a Pentium I
[10:11] <foobarry> the mp3 starts skipping
[10:11] <foobarry> i have an i*
[10:11] <foobarry> the page isn't loading either
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> sounds like memory pressure
[10:12] <foobarry> java is eating a cpu
[10:12] <bashrc> situation normal
[10:15] <foobarry> page fails on chrome and ff
[10:15] <foobarry> :(
[10:15] <foobarry> icetea pants
[10:19] <SirMarky> I have a problem with workspaces on 14.04. When I select a running program icon from the sidebar the system will not bring up the window unless it is on the workspace I am presently viewing. Until a few days past it would automatically move my view to the workspace containing the open window. I am unsure how to resolve.
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> that happens if there's *also* a window of the program on another workspace
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> so say you have 2 browser windows, on 2 workspaces.. it won't know which one you want
[10:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: What does the GE mean in a Dutch address like GE  Zeewolde?
[10:29] <foobarry> gelderland ?
[10:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - worked it out in the end I think ;-)
[10:31] <foobarry> http://www.geopostcodes.com/Netherlands
[10:32] <SirMarky> MartijnVdS - that isn't the case here.  I have the browser in one workspace, thunderbird in another, a backup tool and nautilus open on a third and a virtualbox instance in the forth.  There are no windows from the same program open on different workspaces.
[10:34] <SirMarky> MartijnVdS - My system was working fine until a few days past.  Aside from advised system updates, I haven't amended any settings to break this.
[12:05] <bigcalm> marxjohnson: are Bytemark doing named mugs again this year at oggcamp? If so, I'll need to get 2 separate tickets so that my wife's name is also used. If not, ne bother :)
[13:28] <dogmatic69__> is there a way to make all files under a specific folder owned by some user?
[13:28] <dogmatic69__> eg: user bob makes a file and it is owned by john. I found a way with folders, just need the same for files
[13:29] <dogmatic69__> actually, found a way for groups, not for users
[13:30] <diddledan> dogmatic69__: ONLY files or files AND subfolders? the latter is easily done with either `chown -R username foldername` or by prefixing with sudo if you don't have permission
[13:31] <dogmatic69__> diddledan:  new files should auto be set to the specified owner
[13:31] <dogmatic69__> chmod g+ws sets the group but not the owner
[13:31] <diddledan> dogmatic69__: +t
[13:31] <diddledan> sticky bit
[13:32] <dogmatic69__> chown -R +t /something?
[13:32] <diddledan> set to world writable and sticky bit on the folder
[13:32] <diddledan> doesn't need to be recursive
[13:33] <diddledan> if you have subfolders that also need usernames on new files within each folder needs the sticky bit BUT not the files themselves
[13:33] <dogmatic69__> does not work
[13:33] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
[13:33] <dogmatic69__> drwsrwsr-t   5 www-data some-group       4096 Jun  2 14:33 public
[13:34] <diddledan> remove setuid
[13:36] <dogmatic69__> ok, folder is now drwxrwxr-t
[13:36] <diddledan> setuid on folders does nothing on linux
[13:36] <dogmatic69__> still creates as current user
[13:40] <shauno> I think sticky doesn't change the owner/group, it allows the owner of the folder to act as the owner for files within it
[13:40] <diddledan> shauno, yeah I got it wrong
[13:41] <shauno> so I have a sticky folder called 'inbox'.  you stick a file in there.  you're still the owner of the file, but I have the owners rights to that file
[13:42] <shauno> (I believe this is because automatically changing the owner is an attack vector)
[14:15] <bigcalm> popey: do you remember what command you used to generate a video from webcam stills?
[14:16] <MooDoo> brobostigon: prnt screen ;)
[14:16] <MooDoo> bigcalm: even lol
[14:17] <bigcalm> MooDoo: even from a trolling point of view, how would that do anything?
[14:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: coz I'm an idiot and didn't read it properly.....sorry
[14:20] <bigcalm> :D
[14:20] <bigcalm> Trolling 101 - get your facts wrong
[14:21] <MooDoo> I give up today, can't even get my trolling right sigh!
[14:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:22] <bigcalm> Do I want to install mencoder on a Revo that's running as a server?
[14:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I better not, i'd end up typing yum install filezilla ;)
[14:23] <bigcalm> Nice
[14:24] <diddledan> MooDoo, but at least you're trying to troll
[14:24] <diddledan> that's what counts
[14:24] <MooDoo> diddledan: I shouldn't even do that really, just waiting for someone to tell me off :)
[14:24] <diddledan> speaking of which, when did "troll" become a verb?
[14:26] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[14:27] <bigcalm> popey: humf :P
[14:28] <bigcalm> popey: would you mind imparting the knowledge onto me?
[14:28] <popey> mencoder "mf:///path/to/webcam/*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o /path/to/video.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2:vbitrate=1200
[14:32] <bigcalm> Thank you. I shall add it to an alias
[14:40] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:40] <bigcalm> I rock
[14:40] <bigcalm> alias make_video='mencoder "mf://$1" -mf fps=25 -o "$2" -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2:vbitrate=1200'
[14:40] <bigcalm> What might be wrong with that?
[14:41] <diddledan> bigcalm, you can use variables in aliases?
[14:42] <awilkins> Single quotes
[14:42] <awilkins> Prevents expansion of variables
[14:42] <awilkins> Not sure if that counts
[14:42] <awilkins> Don't use aliases, tend to use shell scripts
[14:42] <diddledan> awilkins that will expand the $1 in the alias declaration not in the executed command
[14:42] <bigcalm> diddledan: as far as I know, yes
[14:43] <bigcalm> I could switch the " and '
[14:43] <bigcalm> Same error
[14:43] <diddledan> bigcalm, change the alias to a function
[14:44] <diddledan> make_video() { command }
[14:45] <bigcalm> It didn't like that
[14:45] <bigcalm> Meh
[14:45] <bigcalm> I'll try it by hand 1st ;)
[14:45] <diddledan> bigcalm, I don't believe variables work in aliases - an alias afaict appends all arguments like xargs would
[14:46] <bigcalm> Into a bash script it goes
[14:46] <bigcalm> Poop
[14:47] <diddledan> bigcalm yes, I'm right, I just tested it
[14:48] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7573520/
[14:50] <bigcalm> Odd, oh well :)
[14:52] <diddledan> the enemy are having a conference in 2 hours (apple)
[14:53]  * diddledan preparing to watch the livestream
[14:55] <shauno> can't wait :)
[15:32] <diddledan> wow, mr wang donjin, no less than the CEO of China National Petroleum Co. has singled me out to help him invest in my country.
[15:35] <daftykins> diddledan: ooh my, a prestigious offer
[15:36] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/to2bf1sfadxtbf4/dellivery.JPG
[15:36] <daftykins> damn it Dell, have you forgotten where Guernsey is!?
[15:37] <bigcalm> Can you step through a video frame by frame in VLC?
[15:39] <bigcalm> Found it :)
[16:05] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6S7FEUfkU
[17:00] <diddledan> it's apple keynote time
[17:00] <daftykins> sure is
[17:00] <daftykins> vid isn't up yet
[17:01] <shauno> the stream is?
[17:01] <daftykins> nope i've got nowt
[17:02] <shauno> maybe it's just not available in guernsey ;)
[17:02] <daftykins> ;_;
[17:02] <daftykins> http://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2014/
[17:02] <daftykins> ?
[17:03] <shauno> yup
[17:03] <daftykins> yeah nothing there for me
[17:03] <Myrtti> doesn't show anything for me on Ubuntu
[17:04] <Myrtti> but works on the Mac
[17:04] <Myrtti> might be an encoder issue?
[17:04] <daftykins> you're not encoding watching a video
[17:04] <diddledan> need quicktime
[17:04] <daftykins> got it, installed and working
[17:04]  * daftykins boots a mac VM
[17:04] <Myrtti> well whatever, technology anyway
[17:04] <shauno> ah well.  works on my telly :)
[17:05] <daftykins> with a nasty apple TV?
[17:05] <shauno> of course :p
[17:05] <shauno> (I have a non-nasty one too, but it doesn't work on it :(
[17:06] <daftykins> yep works on the mac VM
[17:06] <daftykins> that's a bit bias
[17:06] <shauno> heh.  surprise :p
[17:07] <daftykins> it actually is
[17:08] <daftykins> put your phone down and clap properly, kid
[17:09] <diddledan> replacement for xcode?
[17:18] <diddledan> that one guy is pleased
[17:19] <shauno> oh it's normal.  they're all high.
[17:19] <diddledan> they've reinvented google desktop?
[17:21] <daftykins> he reminds me of thingy from Quantum Leap
[17:21] <daftykins> Scott Bakula
[17:22] <diddledan> you've just aged yourself by not saying "that dude from startrek enterprise" :-p
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> what, the backup tool?
[17:23] <diddledan> ooh, it's hung
[17:23] <daftykins> haven't really watched Enterprise
[17:24] <shauno> it's not actually that bad.  except for the start and the finish
[17:24] <diddledan> the last episode kinda jumped somewhat from the storyline
[17:24] <shauno> there was a lot of 'jumping' towards the end.  the whole alternate reality stuff, etc
[17:25] <daftykins> those eyebrows O_O
[17:39] <diddledan> ok, apple just beak ubuntu to convergence :-p
[17:39] <diddledan> beat*
[17:44] <daftykins> surely you're not surprised
[17:45] <diddledan> open beta is a new thing for apple
[17:45] <shauno> pft.  'today' is all very nice but they shut the dev portal off during these :/
[17:46] <diddledan> shauno, did you just try going there?
[17:46] <shauno> of course
[17:46] <diddledan> shauno, me too :-p
[17:46] <shauno> (the dev site, not the public preview heh)
[17:46] <diddledan> yeah dev site
[18:09] <marxjohnson> bigcalm: We've not spoken to Bytemark yet, I'm not sure what they'll have in mind if they sponsor again
[18:33] <diddledan> at blooming last
[18:33] <diddledan> system-wide keyboard replacements
[18:37] <daftykins> i'm amazed that wasn't available
[18:43] <Monotoko> hm.... looks like I've been forgotten
[18:43] <Monotoko> by the company I used to work for
[18:43] <Monotoko> >.>
[18:43] <diddledan> Monotoko, well done
[18:43] <Monotoko> not really... my appeal went to the managing director
[18:44] <Monotoko> then it's all just been forgotten... and I'm still on full pay :S
[18:45] <daftykins> appeal? 0o
[18:46] <Monotoko> they tried to give me the boot for an upgrade on a server that went wrong
[18:46] <Monotoko> not my fault the damn thing was built from source
[18:47] <Monotoko> thought I'd fixed it because I fixed SSH (the thing that I thought was broken) and ended up breaking Apache, should have checked, but it was 4am and the upgrade took 4 hours when it was supposed to take 20 minutes
[18:48] <daftykins> erk
[18:48] <daftykins> ah vaguely recall the story now
[18:51] <Monotoko> really getting fed up :(
[18:52] <daftykins> so... call up the MD?
[18:53] <Monotoko> tried several times... got his assistant who promised he would call back
[18:53] <Monotoko> every time
[18:53] <Monotoko> >.>
[18:54] <daftykins> arrange a meeting?
[18:54] <Monotoko> not sure how... anyone I email tells me I have to go to the MD, MD won't respond
[18:56] <daftykins> oh well
[18:57] <daftykins> i sympathise with your plight but then, this is IRC
[18:57] <foobarry> do u want to go back to work for them?
[18:57] <foobarry> or u want a settlement?
[18:57] <foobarry> (and termination of contract)
[18:58] <Monotoko> foobarry, not really - they refused to settle and dragged me through this instead. Meanwhile I'm trying to find another job and failing just about everywhere
[18:58] <foobarry> get a solicitor
[18:58] <foobarry> they will ensure you get a fair settlement
[18:58] <foobarry> until then, it doesn't sound like they will take u seriously
[18:59] <foobarry> in the least, the settlement might be your notice period paid up
[18:59] <foobarry> in my 20s i was made redundant but didn't realise it. i just found another job. but i could have got a settlement, but i was naive
[19:00] <Monotoko> honestly I'd rather just find another job, but they made me move here 2 weeks before they suspended me
[19:00] <Monotoko> I'm tied here for 12 months :(
[19:01] <foobarry> my last word of advice is to get advice/solicitor
[19:01] <Monotoko> aye I shall look into it
[20:01] <mapps> wow
[20:01] <mapps> the weather sucks again
[20:01] <mapps> ;[
[20:01] <Fremen_> Not too bad here
[20:02] <Fremen_> Wrong nickname
[20:02] <diddledan> Better
[20:04] <mapps> rain rain rain
[20:04] <mapps> here
[20:05] <mapps> Watched a cool uk series earlier - cuckoo, id never even heard of it before..only came across it when checking out Adam Samberg on imdb;)
[20:07] <diddledan> Don't know it
[20:07] <brobostigon> it has been sunny and hot here all day.
[20:48] <ali1234> does anyone know how to reset a google mini to factory defaults?
[20:48] <ali1234> (don't bother googling this i already tried)
[20:49]  * popey wonders what a google mini is
[20:50] <shauno> it seems you don't  heh
[20:51] <shauno> the mini is a "google search appliance".  a baby version of google you can buy in a 1U to index inside your company network
[20:51] <ali1234> this is the continuing saga of the missing mini
[20:52] <ali1234> they found one on ebay as a replacement, seller doesn't know the password
[20:56] <mapps> aha i wondered wat it was too
[20:56] <mapps> :D
[20:57] <shauno> does it have a "mail me my password" option?
[20:57] <ali1234> yes but that will just go to the previous owner...
[20:58] <shauno> anything to stop you wiresharking that email on its way past?
[20:58] <ali1234> well, if it actually sends the email i could just intercept it at the smtp server
[20:58] <shauno> or more likely, watch to see what smtp server it's trying & failing to reach.  and then stick something you control where it's expecting to find it
[20:58] <ali1234> it might do it through google services though
[20:59] <shauno> my only other guess would be the last message in https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/Google-Search-Appliance-Help/_27KZ2aKvWA
[20:59] <shauno> a specific network port on port 1111?
[21:01] <shauno> it sounds like not all the ethernet ports are created equally
[21:05] <shauno> wireshark's usually how I attack our (completely unrelated) appliances though.  watch what it's trying to reach, and become the behaviour it's expecting
[21:06] <diddledan_> lol
[22:12] <bigcalm> marxjohnson: okay, ta