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Nothing_MuchA Tizen phone appears!16:39
Nothing_Muchhttp://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=3714916:39
mhall119yeah, I'm surprised16:43
Nothing_MuchI think it's gonna be too popular because of Samsung backing it16:47
Nothing_MuchThe gruella method that Ubuntu's going for with a particularly different/new market type, while Tizen is more of the same, and wouldn't you know it? It looks like a clone of Android16:49
mhall119it does look a lot like Samsung's Android, yeah16:52
mhall119I'm just not sure why they're pushing it out when they're doing so well with Android itself16:52
Nothing_Muchmhall119: They want their control, like Ubuntu does :P17:19
Nothing_MuchIt's not a bad thing, but because Samsung's a big company, I think that fact alone will be detrimental17:20
mhall119Nothing_Much: true, but Samsung already had pretty good control over their branch of Android17:21
Nothing_MuchAnd yet I see comments saying that Tizen will implement the Play store17:22
Nothing_MuchI don't get the logic17:22
Nothing_MuchBut okay17:22
mhall119they'll probably do what Jolla did and support an alternate store for Android apps17:25
Nothing_MuchJolla has an alternate store?17:25
mhall119it'll be a hard sell for them to convince Google to support the Play Store on Tizen17:25
mhall119yeah, they use Yandex17:25
Nothing_MuchSo what, do they port their apps over from Android?17:26
mhall119no, they run Android apps on top of their OS in a semi-compatible JVM17:27
Nothing_MuchThat sounds like an emulator17:27
mhall119it more or less is17:28
Nothing_MuchUnless you're emulating gameboy games or pre-2000 console games, you're gonna have a problem with framerate17:28
Nothing_MuchBut given how fast the ARM architecture is improving17:28
Nothing_MuchI'd say it may run decently17:28
mhall119it's not emulating hardware, so performance doesn't seem to have been an issue17:28
mhall119but it's not 100% compatible, so it seems hit or miss whether Android apps work right on SailfishOS17:29
Nothing_MuchOh really?17:29
Nothing_MuchSo it's like WINE then17:29
mhall119it's a JVM really17:29
Nothing_MuchNot an emulator, but a compatibility layer17:29
mhall119so it's like any other time you run a Java app17:29
Nothing_MuchOhh17:29
Nothing_MuchBut sometimes Java apps require some weird hacking or some stuff like that17:29
mhall119desktop ones do, yeah17:30
mhall119Android apps were already limited to the Dalvik VM though, so that's less of an issue17:30
Nothing_MuchUh.. *googles*17:31
Nothing_MuchOhh17:31
Nothing_MuchSo basically Android apps just suck?17:31
Nothing_Much... Oh hell, why am I asking that? Of course they suck17:32
Nothing_MuchI've used a few office apps on Android and they were horrid17:32
Nothing_MuchAt least on my TF10117:32
mhall119they suck on SailfishOS because (a) it doesn't offer all of the same platform functionality as Android and (b) it offers things that Android doesn't which Android apps can't ever use17:33
mhall119I suspect Tizen will have the same problems17:34
Nothing_MuchSo that's a clustered ecosystem with rampant useless applications that have no reason to exist17:34
Nothing_MuchI'm hoping Ubuntu can compete with the iPhone eventually when it comes down to being an all around better OS and ecosystem in general17:35
Nothing_MuchI honestly can't consider Android a serious contender with Apple when apps in the Play store are horrid and aren't moderated afaik17:35
Nothing_MuchOh wait, yeah, they aren't, look up Flash player on the Play store and enjoy your adware17:36
Nothing_Much250 results17:37
Nothing_MuchWow17:37
mhall119well Android is certainly the juggernaught when it comes to mobile OS, I think competing with iPhone is more realistic in the short-term17:40
Nothing_MuchPerhaps17:41
Nothing_MuchBut that's only because Android's on too may devices17:42

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