[00:54] <cmaloney> eeeeeeevening
[00:55] <boren_> eve
[01:00] <cmaloney> Going to get started
[01:00] <cmaloney> Welcome everyone to the June 2014 Ubuntu US MI meeting
[01:00] <cmaloney> Who all is present?
[01:03] <jrwren> but... but... COSMOS!!!
[01:04] <cmaloney> oh ffs
[01:04] <cmaloney> :)
[01:05] <cmaloney> Anywho, here's the link to the agenda:
[01:06] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/754/detail/
[01:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/xCSCLD - Regular monthly Ubuntu US MI IRC meeting | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal
[01:06] <cmaloney> As you can see there's not much on the agenda
[01:06] <cmaloney> so it's fortunate that we're competing with COSMOS. ;)
[01:06] <cmaloney> Big item is Ohio Linuxfest is coming up
[01:06] <cmaloney> Who all is going to OLF?
[01:08] <cmaloney> Dont all speak up at once. :)
[01:08] <boren_> hahaha
[01:09] <happylemur> I'll be at OLF!  (I'm the speaker chair this year.)
[01:09] <cmaloney> Awesome!
[01:10] <happylemur> Please check out the call for proposals - due date is July 24.
[01:10] <cmaloney> Will do.
[01:10] <happylemur> https://ohiolinux.org/CFP
[01:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/OiIhdl - Call for Presentations | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 - The Future of Free
[01:10] <cmaloney> Very cool
[01:11] <cmaloney> Not sure if the Ohio loco will be there this year.
[01:11] <happylemur> Any questions about speaking, e-mail speakers@ohiolinux.org.  General questions to team@ohiolinux.org.  We look forward to getting a bunch of attendees from MI again this year!
[01:11] <happylemur> Yes, in the past we've had Ubucon on Friday, but we haven't made plans yet for this year.
[01:13] <cmaloney> Coolness
[01:13] <cmaloney> We'd like to be a part of that if possible.
[01:14] <happylemur> We're actually having our planning meeting right now, #ohiolinux on OFTC.  :)  Feel free to stop in.
[01:14] <cmaloney> I think that would be pretty awesome. :)
[01:14] <cmaloney> Bah, oftc? No Freenode? :)
[01:19] <cmaloney> Anywho, keep thinking about that in the bacn of your minds
[01:21] <happylemur> Sure thing, thanks.
[01:22] <cmaloney> kk, that's all I have at the moment
[01:22] <cmaloney> other than than you everyone who came out to the Penguicon release party
[01:22] <cmaloney> :)
[01:23] <cmaloney> That was an awesome time
[01:26] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+CraigMaloney/posts/bFeQGg5ZcU7
[01:26] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/aeyVIQ - Pictures from the release party﻿
[01:26] <cmaloney> If anyone has some photos of the party please let me know
[01:27] <cmaloney> Anyone have anything else?
[01:30] <cmaloney> OK, thank you everyone for coming out!
[01:31] <wolfger> late again... meeting over?
[01:32] <cmaloney> Impeccable timing. :)
[01:44] <wolfger> but of course
[01:45] <wolfger> usually I'm slightly later and don't even bother trying, but tonight I thought I might catch the tail end
[01:45] <wolfger> I blame everybody else for being punctual and getting right to business. :-p
[01:47] <cmaloney> heh
[01:50] <wolfger> oh well, off to bed.
[02:09] <cmaloney> Laterness
[12:31] <brousch_> Is it Friday yet? I'm ready for a weekend
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> so tired.
[12:50] <brousch_> yes
[12:50] <brousch_> Preparing for camping is a lot of work. I'm not sure the relaxation I'll derive from it will compensate for the stress of preparing
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> ha i hope it does
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> i just had a super long weekend with very little sleep
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> friday work then water ski, sat. wake up at 7 for belle isle grand prix until 7pm, dinner with gf in detroit, comedy show until midnight, bar until 1:30, sleep 2am to 5am, wake up for waterskiing, ski until 11am, brother's lacrosse tournament until 6pm
[13:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, this month is going to be busy for me as well.
[13:10] <cmaloney> Also: Good morning
[13:14] <brousch_> cmaloney: Sorry I missed your meeting again. I was slaying 10 year old hairballs and dustbunnies that were killing my wife and child
[13:16] <cmaloney> What's that in human years?
[13:16] <cmaloney> brousch_: Also: no worries.
[13:17] <brousch_> We got a ginormous new elliptical and had to clean a room that had become storage for a decade
[13:23] <cmaloney> Oh lovely.
[14:10] <brousch_> rick_h_: If you want to see bats, walk around this hotel. My wife and I stayed here about 7 years ago. The bats squish themselves into the cracks in the rock facades and sleep all day. It is nuts. http://www.super8.com/hotels/michigan/mackinaw-city/super-8-mackinaw-city-bridgeview-area/hotel-overview
[14:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/QC3SDQ - Super 8 Bridgeview of Mackinaw City | Mackinaw City, MI 49701 Motel
[14:25] <MaskedDriver> brousch_ I got married on Mackinac Island last September. That super 8 is where my family stayed the night before the wedding. They liked it
[14:25] <brousch_> Did they notice the bats?
[14:26] <brousch_> You might not see them unless you looked closely
[14:29] <cmaloney> As long as they're not flapping around my head I am A-OK with them doing everything they can to stay out of my way. :)
[14:30] <brousch_> If they are flapping around your head that means they are eating the bugs that would be stinging you
[14:55] <MaskedDriver> brousch_: I noticed a few bats. I don't know if they did. My mom would have lost her mind if she saw one.
[15:00] <MaskedDriver> Nowhere near as many as when you're actually on the island though. There is a staircase that goes up the side of the big hill in front of the fort up to the West Bluff. You walk up those stairs at night and you have bats swarming you.
[15:00] <MaskedDriver> I love it
[15:00] <MaskedDriver> gets your adrenaline rushing
[15:02] <brousch_> Did you get a photo with Jerry3PO while you were there?
[15:03] <MaskedDriver> Jerry3PO?
[15:03] <MaskedDriver> aoh nvm
[15:05] <MaskedDriver> lol no
[15:06] <brousch_> https://twitter.com/Jerry_3PO
[15:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/e5i7XB - Jerry 3PO (Jerry_3PO) on Twitter
[15:09] <MaskedDriver> it was there in September?
[15:11] <brousch_> It was by the Boy Scout camp
[15:12] <MaskedDriver> crazy. No, I didn't really get a chance to walk around the island. Was busy getting things ready and then getting married and stuff
[15:12] <MaskedDriver> is it still there?
[15:12] <MaskedDriver> We're going up there this september, too
[15:14] <brousch_> I don't know
[15:22] <brousch_> MaskedDriver: Hah! found the photo https://www.dropbox.com/s/k5kygsdijb1dkih/IMG_0229.JPG
[15:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/baBvsj - Dropbox - IMG_0229.JPG
[15:22] <MaskedDriver> lol yeah I saw that
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> there was an article I was looking at that had a better one
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> hang on
[15:23] <mrgoodcat> MaskedDriver: got married?
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> in September
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> on Mackinac Island
[15:23] <mrgoodcat> congratulations!
[15:23] <brousch_> And from the back side of the fort https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ukphqolydh8vem/IMG_0228.JPG
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> thanks
[15:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0iJ2Fc - Dropbox - IMG_0228.JPG
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> http://metsguyinmichigan.blogspot.com/2013/10/bad-postcard-of-week-obstacles-of.html
[15:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/IZOdcK - Mets Guy in Michigan: Bad postcard of the week: Obstacles of Mackinac Island
[15:23] <MaskedDriver> last picture brousch_
[15:28] <mrgoodcat> bookiebot is one of the most active bmark.us users now
[15:28] <brousch_> heh
[15:32] <jrwren> i don't remember that giant bust statue
[15:32] <brousch_> jrwren: It has a name!
[15:33] <MaskedDriver> lol
[15:33] <MaskedDriver> I'll take some pics and post them somewhere for you guys if it's still there this year
[15:34] <jrwren> i'm going up there later this month :)
[15:34] <brousch_> At ArtPrize, I have a photo of my son picking its nose
[15:35] <MaskedDriver> jrwren: well go find it!
[15:35] <jrwren> i shall
[15:35] <jrwren> and I shall find out if it was there 10 yrs ago when I was last there.
[15:35] <MaskedDriver> lol
[15:35] <brousch_> No
[15:35] <brousch_> It was in ArtPrize 2012. It did not exist before then
[15:40] <brousch_> https://twitter.com/Jerry_3PO/status/250661525180776449
[15:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fmoxzs - Twitter / Jerry_3PO: RT @brousch: Hey @Jerry_3PO ...
[15:40] <brousch_> I guess I picked the nose
[15:41] <MaskedDriver> lol nice
[15:41] <brousch_> It was weird interacting with it at ArtPrize in 2012, then having it randomly show up on Mackinac during our vacation in 2013
[15:42] <greg-g> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10306763_10152391240340520_8109214818765804761_n.jpg
[15:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/crgbcx - image/jpeg
[15:43] <MaskedDriver> brousch_: lol yeah I'm sure
[15:48] <MaskedDriver> my wife's family has been going up there every year for the mackinac race every year for the last 10 years. I started going with them a few years ago
[16:11] <jrwren> hrm... beware, if you have a /usr/local/bin/python, even a symlink, dh_make --with-python2 will use it instead of /usr/bin/python when replacing /usr/bin/env
[16:24] <greg-g> grrr, effing googletalkplugin
[16:24] <greg-g> I hate google
[16:25] <greg-g> 1) kept logging me into my personal account even though I was using my work email/password (it auto-linked them), 2) won't let me easily do a hangout with non-@wikimedia.org email address people, and now 3) it spams (>1 message/sec) my stdout with junk during a hangout
[16:32] <jrwren> greg-g: i hate it too... ya know what the solution is?  use chrome and chrome profiles.
[16:32] <jrwren> seriously. I've given up on using google products in FF :(
[16:38] <greg-g> I have separate Fx profiles
[16:39] <jrwren> ouch. gotta be a way to unlink then.
[16:46] <greg-g> yeah, will futz with later
[16:46] <cmaloney> I actually saw this happen. I guy was speeding down a hill near the Grand Hotel – and looked experienced enough to know better – and a driver reached out and whacked him as he sped by.  The driver looked at what must have been my horrified expression and said, “I tried to slow him down.” Didn't work.
[16:47] <cmaloney> (from the http://metsguyinmichigan.blogspot.com/2013/10/bad-postcard-of-week-obstacles-of.html link)
[16:47] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/IZOdcK - Mets Guy in Michigan: Bad postcard of the week: Obstacles of Mackinac Island
[17:31] <mrgoodcat> an android phone stock email client can read the inbox but not the folders of an IMAP account. Other clients can read the folders, the same client can read the folders of another imap account. wth?
[17:33] <greg-g> http://www.sysvalue.com/en/heartbleed-cupid-wireless/
[17:33] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/cVwyUw - SysValue - Heartbleed, Cupid and Wireless
[17:34] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: why would you use imap. its android email client, gmail only!
[17:34] <jrwren> :)
[17:36] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: K9 is the usually-recommended imap client for Android
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> yea k9 seems to work
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> but i'm pretty stumped by this issue
[17:50] <brousch_> The issue is half-assed IMAP clients
[17:50] <brousch_> You try it out and conclude "IMAP doesn't work well. I'll just switch to Gmail"
[17:51] <jrwren> and this drives google lock-inn
[17:51] <brousch_> Yes
[17:52] <brousch_> On the other hand Apple wants you to use IMAP so you don't switch to Gmail, so they give you a nice client
[17:52] <jrwren> indeed.
[17:52] <brousch_> At least the ecosystem is open so others can write full-featured apps that compete with Android core apps
[17:53] <jrwren> mostly-open
[17:53] <brousch_> I guess they've kicked out porn apps and "hacking" apps
[17:53] <brousch_> Of course you can add a third-party app store for those
[17:54] <brousch_> I have Google Play, Amazon App Store, and F-Droid app store on my devices.
[17:56] <jrwren> mostly-open stores there :)
[17:56] <jrwren> i say mostly-open because you can't add googleplay store on some devices
[17:56] <brousch_> That's true
[17:59] <brousch_> Although my $40 MK802+ Android-on-a-stick and my $40 el-cheapo tablet have Google Play, so the barrier can't be too high
[18:05] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I don't think there's a "Standard" android client
[18:05] <cmaloney> I think there's some shit hacked-together client that gets included by default.
[18:06] <cmaloney> Much like the UNIX mail client.
[18:07] <brousch_> cmaloney: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/31/apk-download-heres-the-default-email-app-from-android-4-4-with-gmail-style-ui-and-a-slide-out-menu/
[18:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Q1gTLp - APK Download: Here's The Default Email App From Android 4.4, With Gmail-Style UI And A Slide-Out Menu
[18:11] <jrwren> what do you do with your mk802?
[18:11] <jrwren> i've never found a good use for mine.
[18:12] <cmaloney> It might make a food doorstop assuming your doors aren't too high
[18:13] <cmaloney> Put a sensor on it and it can let you know how much force the door is exerting on it.
[18:15] <brousch_> jrwren: I turned it into an extreme pinewood derby car, but not much else
[18:15] <brousch_> cmaloney: Hooking sensors to it really requires an Arduino or similar
[18:15] <cmaloney> how is that even legal Pinewood derby?
[18:16] <brousch_> It's not. It's extreme
[18:16] <cmaloney> So whay, you used it as a bumper for the front?
[18:16] <cmaloney> It'd make a really shit spoiler.
[18:16] <brousch_> https://www.facebook.com/events/165575080280158/
[18:16] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/wuzJKi - Cannonsburg Pintwood Derby presented by Perrin Brewing Co. | Facebook
[18:17] <brousch_> The track had 6 lanes, so it was supposed to ride along the actual races and take video
[18:17] <cmaloney> This webpage is not available
[18:17]  * cmaloney doesn't tell brousch_ that he has facebook.com -> 127.0.0.1 on the router's hosts file. ;)
[18:18] <brousch_> Fine http://www.wzzm13.com/video/2656774677001/1/Wooden-cars-fly-at-Pintwood-Derby
[18:18] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/TnpOBS - Wooden cars fly at Pintwood Derby | Video | wzzm13.com
[18:18] <cmaloney> Uses flash
[18:18] <jrwren> brousch_: cool
[18:20] <brousch_> cmaloney: I am not responsible for your self-crippled Internet
[18:20] <cmaloney> brousch_: Why do you hate freedom?
[20:26] <cmaloney> bcmutt
[20:26] <cmaloney> heh
[20:31] <cmaloney> missed the CTRL.
[21:15] <_stink_> mcbutt
[21:15] <_stink_> you're welcome for that.
[21:15] <rick_h_> muttbutt?