[02:34] <odsent> http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/15786000/ngbbs47dff4bbe1466.jpg
[04:57] <m477> is it better to install apps by apt-get than muon?
[05:23] <noaXess> good morning
[05:23] <noaXess> have a strange locale setting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7577941/
[05:24] <noaXess> i normaly have english language system, but with CH country settings...
[05:25] <noaXess> i tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales  > http://paste.ubuntu.com/7577953/
[05:25] <noaXess> but there is no en_CH locale..
[05:26] <noaXess> any hint how to go back to en_US? also tried this sudo update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7577958/
[05:33] <valorie> m477: you should choose the method you like better
[05:34] <valorie> muon uses apt "under the hood"
[05:35] <m477> sometimes muon finds more results and sometime apt-cache, I noticed that
[05:35] <valorie> !locale
[05:38] <valorie> as that second link advises, noaXess, what does `locale -a` output for you?
[05:38] <valorie> I see no en_CH on my system
[05:38] <noaXess> valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7578015/
[05:38] <noaXess> yes.. i also no en_CH.. thats the strange stuff
[05:38] <noaXess> and can't switch to en_US
[05:40] <valorie> noaXess: scroll on down on that second link
[05:40] <valorie> you can generate new ones, etc.
[05:41] <valorie> I wonder if by use sudo dpkg, something was hosed
[05:41] <valorie> you can actually see and edit the docs inside
[05:42] <valorie> I'll have to say I've never messed with 'em
[05:43] <noaXess> valorie: will first purge all locales that are not used..
[05:44] <valorie> good luck
[05:44] <noaXess> reboot
[05:47] <noaXess> valorie:
[05:48] <valorie> any luck?
[05:48] <noaXess> valorie: strange..if i go to terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 and list locales.. it see en_US.. but inside KDE i have en_CH??!!
[05:49] <valorie> passing strange
[05:49] <valorie> you might ask in #kde
[05:49] <valorie> nobody here at this $timeofday seems to be piping up
[05:50] <valorie> although, you might want to check
[05:50] <valorie> /etc/default/locale
[05:50] <valorie> /etc/environment
[05:50] <noaXess> already done..
[05:50] <valorie> since that pages says there are two places
[05:50] <valorie> and you now have two
[05:50] <noaXess> more /etc/default/locale > LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[05:51] <noaXess> more /etc/environment  > PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games"
[05:53] <valorie> that last one is sorta nonsensical to me
[05:54] <valorie> and did you try (Re-)Generating locales?
[05:54] <noaXess> valorie: shure..
[05:54] <noaXess> i can't do anything.. cause always same error..
[05:54] <noaXess> this en_CH pack is strange..
[06:00] <noaXess> valorie: strange.. i switched over kdes system settings/locale to german language, then i got de_CH in locale... now switched back to us langauge.. and now.. en_CH as locale settings.. is that cause i use eng langauge and country switzerland? i normaly do that.. since years..
[06:01] <hateball> noaXess: are you witnessing changes since upgrades to 14.04 ?
[06:01] <hateball> (I wasnt here from the start)
[06:01] <valorie> noaXess: you have more chance of talking to Swiss or German users who also use english in #kde
[06:02] <noaXess> hateball: yes
[06:02] <noaXess> hateball: check this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7578135/
[06:02] <noaXess> btw. good morning hateball ;)
[06:03] <hateball> noaXess: perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1322968 ?
[06:04] <noaXess> on another system with 13.10 i have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7578138/ so en_CH comes from country = switzerland, language = eng.. i think. so it's correct.. but seams on my upgraded 14.04 machine i have some strange behaviors
[06:04] <hateball> there is a new kcm_locale in 14.04 from what I gather
[06:06] <noaXess> seams changing to british english and switzerland as country can fix the problem..
[06:10] <valorie> noaXess: glad you found a solution, but you might comment on that bug that hateball linked to
[06:10] <noaXess> first i try to set specific LC_* variables.. maybe it helps..
[06:11] <hateball> well, hope you solve it! *meeting time at work*
[06:12] <noaXess> bbs.. reboot ;)
[06:18] <noaXess> yeah
[06:18] <noaXess> valorie, hateball: i think i got it.. to set the LC_* vars with update_locale LC_*=en_US.UTF-8 and so on
[06:18] <noaXess> now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7578187/
[06:19] <noaXess> hateball: can you give me the bug link again.. can't see it in pidgin history ;)
[06:19] <valorie> [23:03] <hateball> noaXess: perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1322968 ?
[06:19] <noaXess> valorie: thanks
[09:08] <ronaldsmazitis> text/html decoder FOR PYTHON
[09:09] <ronaldsmazitis> trying to do QT app with QWebView
[09:09] <ronaldsmazitis> Required plugin could not be found - Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: text/html decode
[09:09] <ronaldsmazitis> I have radio js application in page I want to use with it
[09:11] <ronaldsmazitis> it works that error is infantile
[09:14] <ronaldsmazitis> KDE is close to using QT everywhere so sorry for spam about this
[10:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:44] <alvin> How can I remove the notice that flashplugin-installer failed to download files? (I don't use/need flash and the flashplugin-installer package isn't even installed)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> alvin, that's the browser checking to run flash content auto notifying you that no flashplayer is installed
[12:06] <alvin> BluesKaj: No, it's not the browser. It's on login (a yellow lamp icon). The message also appears when flash is installed.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> alvin, are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?, never seen that on kubuntu
[12:11] <noaXess> thats now strange.. http://i.imgur.com/LTs3PEq.png
[12:11] <noaXess> valorie, hateball..
[12:11] <alvin> BluesKaj: Kubuntu
[12:12] <alvin> BluesKaj: Finally, found it. https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?61853-Data-files-for-some-packages-could-not-be-downloaded Apparently, you can right-click the message
[12:13] <noaXess> any hint.. why that happens with dolphin and libreoffice?
[12:13] <noaXess> if i open the document directly from libreoffice, it works
[12:14] <noaXess> same happens if i want attach such file with äöü to thunderbird..
[12:14] <noaXess> my locale setting since upgrade are really messed up.. grrr
[12:15] <BluesKaj> alvin, ok , good  info in case some other user decides to remove flash
[12:16] <BluesKaj> flash is a fact of life.love it or hate it til HTML5 is finally adopted, totally
[12:53] <noaXess> any hint about this http://i.imgur.com/LTs3PEq.png
[12:53] <noaXess> current loale settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7580214/
[12:54] <noaXess> and locales: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7580217/
[13:09] <ms52> Hi, does anyone know a good alternative to kmail? Some client that does not use akonadi?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> ms52, thunderbird
[13:11] <ms52> How well does it integrate with kde? I.e. new mail notifier etc?
[13:12] <ms52> and I thought that the development of thunderbird stopped about a year ago?
[13:12] <deanST> Yeh that was an announcment iirc. Good client though
[13:14] <ms52> It is, I still have it on my windows machine. I will try it out.
[13:14] <deanST> Saying that http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/24.5.0/releasenotes/
[13:15] <ms52> ah, nice to see that there is still some work beeing done
[13:15] <deanST> Yeh.. not sure if its just security updates but at least they being done
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ms52, weel it works well here, been using it instead of kmail for years
[13:17] <deanST> " No, Thunderbird is not dead. We have announced a change in the way we develop new features for Thunderbird. Nothing will change for individual and enterprise users: Mozilla will continue to support and maintain Thunderbird. To be more specific, Mozilla will no longer focus on developing innovations for Thunderbird but will keep it safe and stable. Mozilla will also provide all the infrastructure required for new, community-developed features to be integrated
[13:17] <deanST>  in upcoming Thunderbird releases. "
[13:18] <deanST> So just use it :)
[13:18] <BluesKaj> I have 2 ISP provided email addresses and gmail all working in thunderbird , including those annoying MS "outlook" (hotmail) contracted providers, connected via thunderbird.
[13:20] <deanST> Yeh I used it in Windows and Linux Mint for years. Its cool
[13:23] <BluesKaj> kmail is a gamble in my experience, it segfaults after about a week on my amd pcs , haven't bothered trying on this intel laptop...no need for a database etc for my email setup
[13:24] <ms52> my problem is not kmail itself, I actually really like it, but akonadi is a mess for me
[13:25] <ms52> eats up all my CPU and IO
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ms52, you disable akonadi
[13:27] <BluesKaj> can
[13:28] <ms52> yes, but for this I need al alternative to kmail ;-)
[13:28] <noaXess> got it.. needed to also set LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ms52, then use thunderbird as suggested
[13:30] <ms52> which is what I am doing right now
[13:31] <rcw2> anyone know how amazon authorizes devices? is it by hard drive mac address? http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201379910
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ms52, then disable akonadi by typing akon in the kmenu searchbar and make sure the akonadi server is stopped
[13:40] <ms52> I still need akonadi for my notes and some other stuff. For now I just deleted all my akonadi mail accounts, backed it up, removed the akonadi folders in .config and .local/share and rplayed my backup. Lets see how this works out.
[13:44] <rberg_> ms52: I use kmail with a huge mail box. and find it gets weird after I expire a bunch of messages.. 'optimizing' the mysql tables seems to improve things
[13:46] <ms52> rberg_: I tried the optimization route, too but I simply don't have the time anymore to do this - this is my office pc and it just has to work.
[13:47] <rberg_> ohh I am not talking about tweaking mysql settings endlessly :)  I run 'mysqlcheck -o --all-databases -S $(find /tmp/akonadi* -name mysql.socket)' once and a while
[13:48] <ms52> thanks! I just run it and it tells me for all tables: <table_name>     : Table does not support optimize, doing recreate + analyze instead
[14:17] <nicklas_> hello, anyone knows the installed size of kubuntu and xubuntu, are there a big difference between them? been looking after the info on google, cant be found anywhere.
[14:46] <nicklas_> so, if i install kubuntu instead of xubuntu, there wont be any difference in installed size? i mean xubuntu has lightweight apps, kubuntu does not?
[14:46] <SternNL> Kubuntu with some software installed is here 10GB
[14:47] <nicklas_> well, games and such? that is not bad at all
[14:47] <nicklas_> i have a ultrabook, with 24 gb ssd and 700ich gb hdd, dont want the os to be too big, so i can fit it on the ssd, plus some games, and use the hdd as /home
[14:48] <SternNL> no games installed here
[14:49] <nicklas_> SternNL: so what software do you have installed other than basic?
[14:51] <SternNL> an IRC client :)
[14:54] <nicklas_> SternNL: :-P
[14:54] <nicklas_> obviously
[15:04] <nicklas_> are there any good qt docks?
[16:04] <ubntu96> anyone here
[16:04] <ubntu96> sexy
[16:04] <ubntu96> chat
[16:13] <TheFakeazneD525> wat
[16:14] <CodePulsar> TheFakeazneD525: The chat is sexy, what part is unclear ? :-)
[16:14] <TheFakeazneD525> :P
[16:33] <BluesKaj> CodePulsar, uhmm dunno what your definition is of the word "sexy" , but my definition of 'sexy" certainly doesn't apply to this chat :)
[16:41] <CodePulsar> BluesKaj: It depends ,if you add a background image with something sexy on it you make this chat sexy too :-)
[16:41] <CodePulsar> I was trying to make a joke about what ubntu96 said
[16:41] <CodePulsar> Don't know his reasons for calling this chat this way
[16:42] <BluesKaj> he didn't even stay in the chat for 1 min
[16:45] <lordievader> Good evening
[16:54] <alin__> hy
[17:20] <martinb> hi - i am trying to get the locale en_DE.UTF-8 running but something is not working as exspected. Konsole does not show umlauts and drag-drop files from Dolphin into google mail/firefox also fails with "file not found" since there are umlauts in the filename. already tried to generate the locale en_DE.UTF-8 with locale-gen but it doesnt work.
[17:21] <martinb> umlauts itself are working fine in firefox and dolphin but not in konsole: äöü
[17:25] <martinb> "doenst work generating" means it is generating a lot of de_* and en_* but not de_EN.UTF-8 - and i am using kubuntu 14.04 - more or less fresh installation.
[17:28] <martinb> any ideas how to fix that ? locale says: http://paste.kde.org/p6orp3mjd  and locale-gen says: http://paste.kde.org/pc227btoc
[18:23] <rcw2> any suggestions for freeing up space on root partition
[18:24] <macram> hi
[18:24] <macram> i have a problem when using not KDE apps like firefox
[18:25] <macram> when I try to write characters like áéíóú, i get 'a'e'i'o'u
[18:27] <bprompt> rcw2:    ran out of space?
[18:28] <bprompt> rcw2:     move out your mp3s and movies from ~/ folder for one =)
[18:28] <bprompt> to another partition that is
[18:28] <rcw2> i had been storing things in /var/www/
[18:28] <rcw2> gonna move some things to /home/Documents
[18:28] <bprompt> well... that's still in the root partition though
[18:29] <bprompt> unless /home is on another partition that is
[18:30] <rcw2> bprompt, yes its separate
[18:31] <rcw2> muon won't allow me to remove some eclipse packages
[18:31] <rcw2> why would that be
[18:31] <pozori> I tried the live and firefox url bar dropdown was ugly grey. any way to fix it?
[18:31] <rcw2> 'cannot mark for removal'
[18:32] <bprompt> rcw2:     ahemm.... ever emptied the apt-get cache?    check at /var/cache/apt/archives     anything there?
[18:33] <rcw2> so, i ran out of disk space, and geany prompted me asking to reload a file.  i hit yes and it replaced the data with nothing.  this was a pretty important file with passwords.  any way to regain it?
[18:33] <bprompt> rcw2:     well, where did the file load firstly?
[18:34] <bprompt> I mean, if the file was loaded from somewhere, I gather is stored somewhere
[18:34] <rcw2> bprompt, its on /var/www/file.txt ... its still there but empty of data
[18:34] <rcw2> can i delete everything in /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:34] <bprompt> pozori:     what do you mean?   a firefox theme?
[18:35] <pozori> bprompt: no it is supposed to be white and it was oxygen grey
[18:35] <rberg_> rcw2: yes the easy way is 'apt-get clean'
[18:35] <rcw2> there is no 'undo' in geany for this it seems
[18:35] <pozori> it isn't like that in any other KDE distro I've seen
[18:35] <rcw2> rberg_, nice thanks
[18:36] <bprompt> rcw2:     /var/cache/apt/archives is everything you've downloaded and installed, that includes packages that are still installed, and packages you removed... yes you can wipe all that, UNLESS you'd want to use it as back up for later reinstalls or so, like I do, but I copy those .debs manually per package I download, so the only .debs I have are the ones I keep installed
[18:37] <rcw2> bprompt, ok, any thoughts on my geany q
[18:38] <bprompt> pozori:    .. not sure what you mean. kde theme or firefox?
[18:38] <rcw2> if the new file.txt hadn't been saved, i could have saved it as something else then photorec the old file.txt.  aside from that, any other ways to proceed?
[18:38] <bprompt> rcw2:    can't say.... how did you load it firstly WITH the passwords?
[18:39] <pozori> bprompt: start searching something in firefox. that dropdown is grey, yes?
[18:39] <rberg_> bprompt: why archive all those debs when you can just download them again from the plethora of mirrors?
[18:39] <bprompt> pozori:     in the search box nex to the address bar, nope, is white
[18:39] <rcw2> bprompt, its just a file that was loaded in geany from last session.  because of the disk space issue, geany asked to reload the file, which is now blank
[18:39] <pozori> hm
[18:40] <rcw2> after i clicked on it
[18:40] <rcw2> inside geany
[18:41] <bprompt> rberg_:      for offline installs or say to include them in a live persistent storage for a live session, or so you don't downloaded them again :), of course if  you have dsl or faster connection, that won't matter much, but of course, front-side-bus speed is faster than the network connection... .thus is faster to install from local storage than a network storage, not always but often the case
[18:43] <rberg_> ahh.. I take it to the extreme and run my own mirror (excluding universe)
[18:43] <bprompt> pozori:     iirc   apps like firefox or geany or adobe reader  or others, do not use kde theming, they use gtk theming... so whatever you get in firefox comes from whatever gtk theme you have
[18:44] <bprompt> pozori:    and that includes fonts as well as colors
[18:51] <rcw2> rberg_, do you know if the apt-get clean process *writes* anything
[18:51] <rcw2> to the disk
[18:51] <rcw2> besides simple log file modifications
[18:52] <rberg_> I dont think so.. besides the writes involved with deleting files
[19:39] <keithzg> Hmmm. Well, this time it didn't crash outright, but getting back to work today my X server wasn't showing up, and instead I was getting soft lockups printed fairly constantly to the screen. Apparently started last night around 19:45 local time. http://paste.kde.org/ps0plhaoz#line-85
[19:41] <keithzg> Was able to SSH in via my phone and tell it to reboot, although it didn't quite manage to; took alt+sysreq+REISUB to force it.
[19:42] <genii> keithzg: Still working on that, I see
[19:46] <keithzg> genii: Yup, sadly
[20:14] <jimmy51v_> hello... i have a fresh kubuntu install and just downloaded a sourceforge project with  Perl scripts.  how do i run those?
[20:16] <jimmy51v_> It says I need AppConfig, DBI, etc
[20:16] <jimmy51v_> is there a parent package i can get that will get all of those?
[20:16] <bprompt> jimmy51v_:     the .pl files?    you'd usually just run them :), they would call the Perl interpreter from within
[20:17] <bprompt> jimmy51v_:     AppConfig and DBI   IIRC are perl packages and you can find those as you can find most at  ctan.org
[20:17] <jimmy51v_> bprompt: sorry... question wasn't phrased well.  i call them 'perl ./whatever.pl' but they keep coming back with missing dependancies.
[20:17] <jimmy51v_> bprompt: is that a repo i should add or osmething?
[20:17] <bprompt> hmm shoot .. may not be ctan... one sec
[20:18] <bprompt> cpan.org rather =)
[20:18] <bprompt> jimmy51v_:     I think so.... haven't used as much myself
[20:19] <bprompt> but cpan.org has most if not all perl packages
[20:19] <rberg_> keithzg: does that system survive memtest86 over night?
[20:24] <bprompt> jimmy51v_:    https://launchpad.net/~rsrchboy/+archive/cpan
[20:24] <keithzg> rberg_: Haven't run it *that* long, although it did survive 2 hours. I suppose I could try that tonight.
[20:29] <jimmy51v_> bprompt: hmm... ppa doesn't seem to be happy being added
[20:29] <jimmy51v_> maybe it's because his newest is 13.10
[20:31] <bprompt> jimmy51v_:    you mean it doesn't have a gpg key?    I don't think that matters much
[20:39] <jimmy51v_> 404 on the ppa's.  i'm trying with cpanm now
[21:27] <rcw2> i have some issue with geany.  sometimes it doesn't load my files automatically as it normally does time after time, and the graphics look slightly different
[21:29] <rcw2> ah kubuntu only updates apps that were installed through apt-get right?
[21:34] <rcw2> i set an icon for an app to run it as root (always), but it only does this once in a while, it seems
[21:34] <rcw2> bug?
[22:15] <claycorn> having a tough time running quake any help would be great
[22:20] <claycorn> Missing data; see /usr/share/doc/quake/README.Debian
[22:20] <claycorn> thats the message i get
[23:02] <keithzg> claycorn: have you . . . installed the data?
[23:03] <keithzg> Generally you need quake pak files in the right place.
[23:03] <keithzg> You should probably read /usr/share/doc/quake/README.Debian as it implores you to, if you haven't yet.