[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[17:07] <Adam_> lol
[17:08] <fossterer> uds.ubuntu.com and summit.ubuntu.com refer to same conference? -- as of the recent announcments
[17:09] <aysenhorn> Hi 2 all
[17:22] <sumopig__> Hello
[17:39] <margusch> howdy cannonical!
[17:50] <popey> hello!
[17:51] <nik90_> hello!
[17:53] <dholbach> mhall119, setting up the hangout already? :)
[17:54] <mhall119> dholbach: yes, you're not in our channel though
[17:55] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, can't connect
[17:56] <PlsExplain> hey all
[17:58] <bmccoy11> I think Twitch would have been a better platform for this live stream...
[17:59] <ShibekiNoDoge>  wowdoge
[17:59] <ShibekiNoDoge> hi
[17:59] <bmccoy11> hi.
[17:59] <dpm> hi everyone!
[17:59] <popey> bmccoy11: tricky to stream multiple participants on twitch isnt it?
[17:59] <Vortexianer> hi
[17:59] <leedev> bmccoy11, twitch doesn't have group video conference
[17:59] <bmccoy11> oh, derp...
[18:00] <leedev> bmccoy11, but it might in the future if google buys them ;)
[18:00] <bmccoy11> true that, leedev
[18:00] <Markcortbass>  Ubuntu phone date announcmend? Would be amazing :p
[18:00] <primx> where is the q/a team?
[18:01] <mhall119> You can ask your questions in here by starting them with "QUESTION" in all caps just like that
[18:01] <dholbach> HELLO HELLO! :)
[18:01] <leedev> I see you ;)
[18:01] <Mychadex> Hi :D
[18:01] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[18:01] <ShibekiNoDoge> Hello World
[18:01] <bmccoy11> meh
[18:01] <olekar> hi
[18:01] <nik90_> dholbach: great!
[18:01] <bmccoy11> hello.
[18:01] <SantiagoK> Hi
[18:02] <nik90_> hey community team
[18:02] <jose> QUESTION: Is that a cat on popey's stream?
[18:02] <PlsExplain> ...
[18:02] <Mychadex> Planella, are you good at Planning?
[18:02] <bmccoy11> QUESTION: when will Ubuntu include a meme genorator?
[18:02] <serdar_> yes
[18:03] <Maradnus> Hello guys!
[18:03] <PlsExplain> bmccoy11: Ever heard of GIMP?
[18:03] <bmccoy11> GIMP isn't easy enough to make funny may-mays.
[18:03] <serdar_> hi
[18:04] <PlsExplain> I hope you get K-lined
[18:04] <bmccoy11> k
[18:04] <bmccoy11> kkk
[18:04] <bmccoy11> 666
[18:04] <jose> bmccoy11: no spam plz
[18:05] <who_me> yaaay popey!
[18:05] <bmccoy11> lel, i 133t h4x0rd my r00mba, runnin ubunt00
[18:06] <dvisser> Alan. Your voice sounds familiar. Are you on the Ubuntu UK podcast?
[18:06] <SantiagoK> QUESTION: How much are you working on making Ubuntu an operating system suitable for any machine?
[18:06] <serdar_> What will happen to the game in ubuntu?
[18:06] <popey> yes
[18:06] <popey> ☻
[18:06] <Psispy> I just want to say,"Thank you."
[18:06] <dvisser> Thx. :-)
[18:06] <kupo_> How is your relationship with Linux Mint and Clem?
[18:07] <Mychadex> QUESTION: Will you include WineHQ by default in next Ubuntu releases?
[18:07] <ahayzen> QUESTION: How much of a threat do you see Tizen as to Ubuntu Touch
[18:07] <serdar_> What will happen to the game in ubuntu?
[18:07] <Mychadex> QUESTION: Will you include WineHQ by default in next Ubuntu releases?
[18:07] <bmccoy11> QUESTION: How much wam do i need to dedicate to ma sewvew?
[18:07] <SantiagoK> We've already asked a couple of questions.
[18:07] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: How much progress has been made in moving to systemd as PID 1?
[18:07] <hatch> Mychadex don't ask multiple times
[18:07] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeYtkXRVQ48NqQiF30uD796o3-xtJT9vgD-tfrLkO7ETArTSA?authuser=2&hl=en ← you might want to check this out - maybe it can get ported to the ubuntu phone easily :-)
[18:07] <PlsExplain> I have a question. Will Ubuntu devs consider creating a 'Mubuntu' spin-off with MATE as the default desktop? I ask this because imo the rise of Linux Mint over Ubuntu to most popular distro directly correlates with the introduction of Unity.
[18:07] <serdar_> What will happen to the game in ubuntu?
[18:07] <dholbach> oops http://theravingrick.blogspot.de/2010/12/this-is-photobomb.html
[18:08] <bashrc> I think it produced a number of popey memes
[18:08] <dholbach> ^ this is the app Mike was referring to
[18:08] <pensacola_> QUESTION: One of the things i want to know if some of you are interested to join an Open Source conference in Romania?
[18:08] <hatch> PlsExplain prefix all questions with QUESTION
[18:08] <johanfinn> QUESTION On Nexus 4 images you cant change background and no bottom swipe. how come? thanx for the good work.
[18:08] <bashrc> Any machine = PDP-11 ?
[18:09] <bun_> Please clarify pronunciation of Ubuntu. Is it Ooo-boon-too or Ooo-bun-too?
[18:09] <bennybolivar> QUESTION: how about the design roadmap of ubuntu? is there something new to mention like the new suru-icons.
[18:09] <Mychadex> QUESTION: Will there ever be WineHQ bundled into Ubuntu?
[18:09] <pensacola_> QUESTION: when will ubuntu phone/tablet  be released?
[18:09] <JoshStrobl> Mychadex: dude, he answered your question
[18:09] <SkiholmaNM> will it be possible to install click packages onto the desktop version?
[18:09] <primx> QUESTION: What do you think about this topic? https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
[18:10] <hatch> SkiholmaNM prefix all questions with QUESTION
[18:10] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: Can we expect an Ubuntu Phone release announcment soon? So we can buy a Meizu or BQ smartphone.
[18:10] <anarqued> QUESTION: Is there any device that you can recommend to test Ubuntu mobile ?
[18:10] <who_me> QUESTION: Apple showed an interesting feature with "Continuity" at WWDC2014, do you plan something like that for various devices running Ubuntu?
[18:10] <Mychadex> Thanks for answering :)
[18:10] <vincent_> i've seen Mark posting something about app grid but seems to be closed source. Is this the way Ubuntu will go further?
[18:10] <PlsExplain> QUESTION Will Ubuntu devs consider creating a 'Mubuntu' spin-off with MATE as the default desktop? I ask this because imo the rise of Linux Mint over Ubuntu to most popular distro directly correlates with the introduction of Unity.
[18:10] <bun_> QUESTION: Please clarify the pronunciation of Ubuntu. Is it Ooo-boon-too or Ooo-bun-too
[18:10] <kupo_> QUESTION: what is your relationship with Linux Mint or Clen and how do you feel about their progress
[18:11] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: How reliant will Unity 8 be on Ubuntu-specific packages (specifically speaking of the work being done on desktop)? Hoping the move to Unity 8 and Qt will allow other operating systems (cough* arch linux) to be able to more easily support Unity in their repos (ex. AUR).
[18:11] <SkiholmaNM> How well do you think ubuntu will do relative to android and iOS
[18:11] <Sourav> Question: Is it possible in any way to install ubuntu mobile OS on my Smartphone. It has android, for that matter on any smartphone
[18:11] <dshimer> QUESTION: You mentioned that the upcoming summit combines several things, I have watched some UDS hangouts in the past, how will this online summit look different?
[18:12] <halfmast> QUESTION: I noticed that the calandar app lost it's colored background. Are we moving away from the gradiant background in the suru design.
[18:12] <Bram_> How Can we make ubuntu So user friendly that even my grandma could use it? Do u have a list of basic user storries which "ordi
[18:12] <SkiholmaNM> How can I port ubuntu to my lg doubleplay, do I need to rewrite the kernel or what?
[18:12] <sarthak> Have you considered upgrading wine to support more windows exe files?
[18:12] <JoshStrobl> Bram_: My grandmother uses Ubuntu 14.04 just fine...
[18:12] <JoshStrobl> sarthak: I imagine the work for WINE is more reliant on the WINE guys rather than Canonical.
[18:13] <kupo_> QUESTION: Will unity at any point not come with spyware?
[18:13] <JoshStrobl> kupo_: Please don't be a troll.
[18:13] <jose> kupo_: it all depends on what you consider as 'spyware', I may consider my neighbour watching me as spyware, for example
[18:13] <SantiagoK> Michael Hall looks a lot like Paul McCartney ...
[18:14] <anatonia> hello im Ana Remo Argentina see you by Mobile SonyXperia S
[18:14] <jose> mhall119: ^
[18:14] <h0rcrx> QUESTION :: will ubuntu ever support rt3290 drivers properly, it supports after few tweeks but bluetooth dosent works properly, it is annoying for some users...
[18:15] <dholbach> systemd testing (and stuff) on Martin Pitt's G+ page: https://plus.google.com/107564545827215425270/posts
[18:15] <JoshStrobl> dholbach: thanks
[18:15] <anatonia> i cant do the partitions well in ubuntu
[18:15] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Sorry I just joined so if you answered my questions I am sorry. Are there any planned any connection features between Unity 8 on phone and on desktop like the new OSX/iOS
[18:15] <JoshStrobl> anatonia: This isn't a support forum. Go to #ubuntu
[18:16] <anatonia> so i need help
[18:16] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: Are you referring to the Continuity stuff?
[18:16] <JoshStrobl> anatonia: Go to #ubuntu
[18:16] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Can you talk more about the Unity8 flavor
[18:16] <DoubleD33D> Do you ever see Ubuntu unified across all devices so well that each one suffers the same bugs, and can receive the same bug fixes from the same code?
[18:16] <sarthak> Has the issue with intel-graphics which caused blank screen on boot been resolved?
[18:16] <balloons> PlsExplain, here's the guidelines on becoming a flavor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[18:16] <anatonia> ohhhhh
[18:16] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: I guess? What is Continuity?
[18:16] <PlsExplain> thanks, balloons
[18:16] <anatonia> :(
[18:17] <JoshStrobl> It is their feature Apple talked about at WWDC 2014 -.-
[18:17] <JoshStrobl> *the
[18:17] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Yes. Will Ubuntu with Unity 8 have such a feature?
[18:17] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: No idea. Sounds more like an OS-level process, not specifically Unity 8.
[18:18] <SkiholmaNM> Will I be able to install click packages on my desktop? Also, will click packages replace deb packages
[18:18] <sarthak> Has the issue with intel-graphics which caused blank screen on boot been resolved?
[18:18] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Maybe but I can see it happening in Unity 8. KDE Connect is a similar thing which is all in the DE.
[18:19] <shadowvice> sarthak +1 (Blank screen issues on AMD/NVidia as well)
[18:19] <halfmast> QUESTION: Should Ubuntu touch users update there images to 14.10 or stay on 14.04?
[18:19] <anatonia> you are not solydary :(
[18:19] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Can you talk more about the Unity 8 Ubuntu flavor that is being made for testing?
[18:20] <Bram_> I will miss ubuntuone it is / was a great cloud service - will there be a google drive integration , a similar integration would be great
[18:20] <theBest> QUESTION: The scopes on the phone got redesigned couple of weeks ago. Will this influence the scopes on the Desktop sooner or later?
[18:22] <zubozrout> QUESTION: Are there any plans for redesigning currently not that much appealing Ubuntu Sotware Center or is a concept of a standalone App Manager doomed?
[18:22] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: OSX 10.10 (Yosmite) has a dash like search which looks visually appealling. Will the Unity 8 dash results also see a visual design improvement.
[18:22] <balloons> anarqued, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Target_devices
[18:22] <JoshStrobl> The community build for Nexus 5 is solid.
[18:22] <dshimer> QUESTION: What will be the primary advances made in 14.10 or at least what are the goals?
[18:23] <anarqued> Thanks a lot
[18:23] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: When can we see Go +Qt for app development.
[18:24] <Bram_> Is google drive to be more closely integrated
[18:24] <JoshStrobl> Bram_: you already asked, they haven't gotten to your question yet.
[18:25] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How does the new app lense handle purchases and donations.
[18:25] <balloons> the core apps ppa can be found here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily
[18:26] <CheeseBurg> How far behind are they on questions?
[18:27] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: They are probably already answering the questions, Hangouts is just on delay. Nothing they can do about that.
[18:27] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Just wondering.
[18:27] <DoubleD33D> QUESTION: Do you ever see Ubuntu unified across all devices so well that each one suffers the same bugs, and can receive the same bug fixes from the same code?
[18:27] <SkiholmaNM> Will I be forced to use unity 8 in future versions? I love unity 7 and am not a fan of unity 8.
[18:28] <dokd_> QUESTION Will Nexus 4/7/10 images be supported following the release of Bq and Meizu handsets?
[18:28] <JoshStrobl> SkiholmaNM: Unity 8 is naturally the next version of Unity. What you see currently for Unity on the desktop doesn't reflect what it will be like in the end.
[18:29] <MonsterLord> I've got a problem with my sidebar on ubuntu 14.04. There is a duplicate icon of Chrome- How can I eliminate it???
[18:30] <sarthak> are they skipping questions or answering them all?
[18:30] <Maur_> what about ubuntu-unity8-desktop flavour, would it be done ?
[18:31] <JoshStrobl> MonsterLord: That is a known issue with Chrome. It is affecting other desktop environments like Pantheon. Your best bet would be to remove it from the launcher, launch Chrome then lock it to the launcher again. NO promises that it'll help.
[18:31] <balloons> Sourav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[18:31] <talz> QUENSTION: Will users be able to use apt-get to install applications on the phone?
[18:32] <CheeseBurg> talz: Yes in developer mode I think
[18:32] <Bram_> QUESTION: Is google drive going to be more closely integrated? Would be great to have it as a replacement for Ubuntu one service
[18:33] <Lucas_> good point...
[18:33] <JoshStrobl> Yea the colors in Calendar was pretty bad before.
[18:33] <halfmast> haha ok thanks
[18:34] <h0rcrx> QUESTION :: (asking again ) :: will ubuntu ever support rt3290 drivers properly, it supports after few tweeks but bluetooth dosent works properly, it is annoying for some users...
[18:34] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Thought I was the only one who didn't like it
[18:34] <MonsterLord> thanks a lot JoshStrobl
[18:35] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: Who worked on the DualBoot for Android / Ubuntu Touch (talking about the script?) Was hoping to get in touch to figure out to have Ubuntu Touch as the default OS to boot into rather than Android.
[18:35] <JoshStrobl> *script)
[18:35] <dholbach> http://askubuntu.com/questions/253632/how-do-i-get-a-ralink-rt3290-wireless-card-working might answer the question about rt3290
[18:35] <MassuguGo> QUESTION: is there any news on the project described on <http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android> (an android application to launch full screen ubuntu UI on attached monitor with various data shared between)?
[18:35] <JoshStrobl> MassuguGo: It is dead, from my understanding.
[18:36] <CheeseBurg> Yay they are getting to my questions
[18:36] <MassuguGo> JoshStrobl: disappointing to hear
[18:37] <dholbach> utopic ftw!
[18:37] <Samuka> Yes!
[18:37] <dholbach> :-)
[18:38] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How close is the phone to being complete? What vital functions are missing?
[18:40] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: There is a lot of great work being done on Ubuntu Touch and it is pretty solid right now. I think (personally) it is missing a solid IMAP / SMTP mobile mail client and I think the messaging needs to work.
[18:40] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: At this point, the issue is app availability. And as it is said, if you build it, they will come!
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: I remember there was no way to turn off your phone through a dialog so I was thinking about features like that.
[18:41] <MSkilledmypuppy> QUESTION: got quiet about Trojita. Any insider news?
[18:41] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: Yea, that would be nice. Right now it is just "press and hold", wait until the phone is off :D
[18:41] <bashrc> QUESTION: is the plan to merge the software centre with the dash?
[18:41] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Apps are super important true but can we buy them yet?
[18:41] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: Lemme check.
[18:41] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: I don't believe so.
[18:42] <tibo_> QUESTION: does unity8 work on nvidia drivers yet?
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Ok. So that will need to fixed if you want a REAL developer community
[18:42] <JoshStrobl> CheeseBurg: As an app developer, that is of course disappointing to me. But it'll come eventually, I know they are doing a lot of hard work on that.
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> JoshStrobl: Yea they have been working on it. Until it is done, all app development on Ubuntu is just hobby
[18:43] <Bram_> I don't get the order of answering questions?
[18:43] <theBest> @Bram_ One by one.
[18:44] <dpm> sarthak, we're answering all questions that are prefixed with QUESTION. If we see one that's not we pick it too, but we might lose track of them if they don't have the prefix
[18:45] <mosor> What about adobe flash player for firefox, the last supported version is 11.02.  What can we expect in the future ?
[18:45] <piotrek_> Question: it was annnounced that Samsung is going to release devices with Tizen, based on Qt5/HTML - do you have any idea how difficult it will be to port applications from Tizen to UbuntuTouch - Ubuntu to Tizen
[18:45] <sarthak> QUESTION : Has the issue with intel-graphics which caused blank screen on boot been resolved?
[18:45] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch officially support Nexus 5 anytime soon?
[18:46] <CheeseBurg> sarthak: Don't think they answer tech questions like that. Go to the #ubuntu channel
[18:47] <DoubleD33D> QUESTION: If i doesn't already exist, are there plans to have an SDK manager for Ubuntu touch such as that for Android?
[18:47] <sarthak> QUESTION: Will there be any facebook-video-chat integration in the future?
[18:47] <DoubleD33D> it*/i ^
[18:47] <mosor> QUESTION:What about adobe flash player for firefox, the last supported version is 11.02.  What can we expect in the future ?
[18:47] <JoshStrobl> sarthak: To my knowledge, there is no Facebook API for such, so probably not.
[18:47] <Maur_>  QUESTION: what about the ubuntu-unity8-desktop iso image? would it be released ?
[18:48] <framac> QUESTION: when can we see unity 8 as a desktop replacement in utopic?
[18:48] <JoshStrobl> mosor: That is something for Mozilla to answer, not Canonical.
[18:48] <sarthak> @josh. Thanks
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> mosor: Not sure if they can answer that. Seem more of an issue with Mozilla and Adobe
[18:49] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What is the progress with the email app?
[18:49] <JoshStrobl> Thanks for answer my question(s) <3
[18:50] <dholbach> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2014/06/03/moving-your-content-away-from-ubuntu-one-file-services/ might be interesting to those who are looking for a U1 replacement
[18:51] <sarthak> QUESTION: Will the file sharing on Wired ethernet (LAN) be improved? i cant get it to work without a lamp server to upload through php? My fault?
[18:51] <shadowvice> exit
[18:51] <shadowvice> exit
[18:52] <JoshStrobl> popey: Dude...did you just show off Trojita? Me want...even with the lack of send support. How can I grab it?
[18:52] <Markcortbass> Could we attach a Meizu of BQ smartphone at a external monitor? If not, is it possible to have this feature in the future with a softwareupdate?
[18:53] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: Could we attach a Meizu of BQ smartphone at a external monitor? If not, is it possible to have this feature in the future with a softwareupdate?
[18:53] <JoshStrobl> Markcortbass: A software update can't magically change the physical hardware.
[18:53] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: When will we start seeing Desktop designs for Unity 8?
[18:54] <Markcortbass> Haha i know. But it could be possible, if they ship a smartphone with mini-hdmi
[18:54] <JoshStrobl> The community port of Nexus 5 works well. Sound is a bit iffy and bluetooth doesn't work last I checked (I don't have a bluetooth device).
[18:55] <JoshStrobl> Markcortbass: Right, but that is up to the manufacturer, not Canonical.
[18:55] <balloons> Maur_, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[18:55] <Markcortbass> Ok, thanks for the answer!
[18:55] <popey> JoshStrobl: yes, trojita on my phone ☻
[18:55] <dholbach> JoshStrobl, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily; sudo apt update; sudo apt install trojita
[18:55] <theBest> JoshStrobl: But with a update the Desktop UI could be updated when it's finished.
[18:56] <JoshStrobl> dholbach: awesomeness
[18:56] <nate77> Will there be a way for all flash video to convert into HTML5 video?
[18:56] <JoshStrobl> nate77: That isn't an Ubuntu specific question.
[18:56] <Markcortbass> @nate77 You could try Shumway from Mozilla
[18:56] <nate77> Sorry, thanks
[18:57] <JoshStrobl> nate77: To answer your question, if you are referring to Youtube, for instance, you can use Youtube Center and force HTML5.
[18:57] <JoshStrobl> It is what I do.
[18:57] <nate77> Thanks Josh
[18:58] <nakanut> QUESTION: What do you guys use as an alternative for iTunes on Desktop or TouchOS?
[18:59] <Markcortbass> @nakanut I use Spotify. Amazing software
[18:59] <DoubleD33D> QUESTION: Will the hitches and pauses when queuing changes in the Ubuntu Software Centre ever be solved or threaded?
[18:59] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone
[18:59] <dholbach> you all are heroes! :-)
[18:59] <JoshStrobl> Thanks for answering the questions guys!
[18:59] <ahayzen> music-app \o/
[18:59] <dholbach> ahayzen, :-D
[19:00] <JoshStrobl> Rhythmbox, Noise a.k.a "Music" in elementary OS, Banshee, Clementime, etc.
[19:00] <popey> thanks for coming everyone!
[19:00] <balloons> nakanut, I use clementine and find it nice :-)
[19:00] <Markcortbass> Thanks everyone! Have a great day
[19:00] <balloons> thanks for the questions everyone!
[19:01] <cRaZyBoY> WHAT ABOUT UBUNTU TV? WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
[19:01] <rael_gc> QUESTION: any plans on better desktop integration with Android phones? I mean, read SMS on desktop, see contacts, battery level, attend calls... some features already present on KDE Connect.
[19:01] <who_me> thanks for answering our questions guys :)
[19:02] <Markcortbass> @<cRaZyBoY> I expect, that it will be in development after Unity 8 Desktop
[19:02] <simion314> thanks
[19:02] <ahayzen> thanks guys :)
[19:02] <Guest46184> Thanks!
[19:02] <dshimer> Thanks so much, always appreciated.
[19:02] <fossterer> Thanks.. bye!
[19:02] <dpm> thanks everyone and see you next week!
[19:02] <RogerCarder> bye all
[19:02] <popey> o/
[19:03] <mhall119> thanks everyone for your questions, see you again next week
[19:08] <aysenhorn> Greetings from Russia.
[19:21] <Chaitanya> http://askubuntu.com/questions/476389/installed-ubuntu-14-04-using-the-erase-entire-disk-on-windows-8
[19:21] <Chaitanya> can someone please help me on this
[19:26] <Night_Wolf> Hi
[19:27] <Night_Wolf> Someone from Brazil?
[20:28] <aussiebob> .