| olbi | hi guys, are there any xubuntu 14.04.1 images on ther servers? | 10:39 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | no because 14.04.1 isn't out until july | 10:44 |
| xnox | olbi: and we haven't yet started building trusty daily images (in the run up to 14.04.1 release) | 11:18 |
| olbi | so now only updateded will be translations? :) | 11:19 |
| olbi | I need to know when will be pushed all Polish Translations from Transifex, to Git and than to deb packages into Xubuntu repos :-) cause there are so many changes which aren't in Proposed repos | 11:23 |
| Unit193 | === Xubuntu community meeting in 50 minutes - #xubuntu-devel === | 19:11 |
| slickymaster | !team | meeting time! | 19:59 |
| ubottu | meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 19:59 |
| slickymaster | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 20:00:39 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| slickymaster | So, who's here for the meeting? | 20:00 |
| forestpiskie | o/ | 20:01 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, will you just be lurking? | 20:02 |
| Unit193 | Generally, unless otherwise. | 20:02 |
| slickymaster | #topic Open action items | 20:02 |
| slickymaster | Unit193 anything on the Trello bot for interaction with the board from within IRC? | 20:03 |
| slickymaster | I do have to apologise for forgeting to add the items to the meeting agenda. My bad :P | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Just xubutrello: help | 20:04 |
| elfy | I can tell you there's not :) | 20:05 |
| slickymaster | one other thing Unit193, you were to propose a new installable metapackage, right? | 20:06 |
| Unit193 | #info xubuntu-core seed changes have been merged, task is installable now and the package will be installable next xubuntu-meta upload. | 20:07 |
| slickymaster | great | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | cool :) | 20:07 |
| slickymaster | the other open action items I had concern ochosi, knome and bluesabre, but since they absent I'll move along | 20:08 |
| slickymaster | #action knome to create a Trello account | 20:08 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to create a Trello account | 20:08 |
| Unit193 | Testing is waiting for the meta upload, of course. | 20:08 |
| elfy | there are a lot of team not with a trello account | 20:09 |
| slickymaster | do you know if lderan has made any progress in the UI for the panel-switch application Unit193? | 20:09 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Not that much, really. | 20:09 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: No idea. | 20:09 |
| elfy | Unit193: ~25% | 20:10 |
| slickymaster | elfy, regarding GTK3 apps for autopilot (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-qa) do you want to info anything? | 20:10 |
| elfy | nothing to info at present | 20:11 |
| elfy | not seen lderan for a while | 20:11 |
| slickymaster | #action team members still without Trello account should create one asap | 20:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: team members still without Trello account should create one asap | 20:11 |
| slickymaster | ok, moving on | 20:12 |
| slickymaster | #topic Team updates | 20:12 |
| slickymaster | anything? | 20:12 |
| elfy | few | 20:12 |
| elfy | a few :p | 20:12 |
| elfy | #info Very little package testing being done | 20:12 |
| elfy | #info Images currently uninstallable | 20:13 |
| elfy | done | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: You have one for docs, the translations no longer pass checks. | 20:13 |
| slickymaster | I haven't checked that yet Unit193 | 20:14 |
| slickymaster | I'm going to poke you on that, if you don't mind me doing it Unit193 | 20:14 |
| * slickymaster is in doubt if the Devian liaison and XTL should be announced or not | 20:16 | |
| elfy | I'd guess not | 20:16 |
| slickymaster | that's my thoughts also | 20:16 |
| slickymaster | #topic Discussion | 20:16 |
| elfy | but the Debian one was a "I'm saying this" unless anyone says no on the m/l | 20:16 |
| slickymaster | #subtopic Move call for translations from 14.10 to 14.04.1 | 20:16 |
| slickymaster | Unit193 brougth this to my attention | 20:17 |
| slickymaster | and as a matter of fact I was already thinking of it | 20:17 |
| slickymaster | does anyone has thoughts/opinions on the subject | 20:18 |
| elfy | I've no idea what you're talking about :) | 20:18 |
| slickymaster | elfy https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-docs | 20:18 |
| slickymaster | one of the items in the docs-blueprint is a call for translations, since we just have two languages translated | 20:19 |
| elfy | slickymaster: if this sort of thing can be dated - would be useful to get it on trello with dates | 20:19 |
| slickymaster | yes, agree | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | I think I said it the other way around, actually. | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | elfy: It's already there. | 20:20 |
| slickymaster | Unit193m the other way around as in...? | 20:21 |
| elfy | Unit193: I must be blind then | 20:21 |
| slickymaster | not seeing it neither | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Move from 14.04.1 to 14.10. | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | xubutrello: card 66 link | 20:22 |
| xubutrello | https://trello.com/c/xss9yOWH/66-run-a-call-for-translators-for-the-documentation | 20:22 |
| elfy | Unit193: got it | 20:22 |
| slickymaster | initially it was planned to 14.10, not to the first point release | 20:23 |
| slickymaster | or am I going crazy? | 20:23 |
| elfy | no idea | 20:24 |
| slickymaster | but my idea of anticipate the call was mainly to try to start something | 20:24 |
| slickymaster | the way I see it, there's too much inertia regarding the translations | 20:25 |
| slickymaster | people just seem to don't give a damn about it and IMO it's something important that should be delt with | 20:26 |
| slickymaster | anyway we can postpone it to the next meeting | 20:26 |
| slickymaster | #subtopic systemd | 20:27 |
| slickymaster | are we going to track it? | 20:27 |
| Unit193 | Well, I was, but not specifically for Xubuntu. | 20:27 |
| slickymaster | from kernel 3.15.0-4 onward it's going to be default | 20:28 |
| elfy | slickymaster: where did you read that? | 20:28 |
| elfy | I've not seen anything to say that on m/l's | 20:28 |
| slickymaster | I got that idea from Martin Pitt's mail to the ubuntu-devel ML | 20:30 |
| elfy | Utopic boot broken: What now? | 20:32 |
| elfy | that mail? | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | If so, that was an upload error that's been fixed. | 20:32 |
| slickymaster | yes, from 5 days ago | 20:32 |
| slickymaster | or I completely misread it Unit193 | 20:33 |
| elfy | not sure that's saying that systemd is being used default, just a way to boot those machines | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | Exactly. | 20:33 |
| slickymaster | elfy, most probably I misread it | 20:33 |
| slickymaster | anyway, Unit193 do you mind if I add an action item for you, regarding tracking systemd and xubuntu? | 20:34 |
| elfy | pretty sure that we don't really need to do much for a cycle or so tbh | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | Well, not really sure what that'd mean exactly, but I'm generally keeping up with it. But yes, we shouldn't really need to do much/anything. | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | But otherwise, sounds fine. | 20:35 |
| slickymaster | okie dokie, we'll drop it for now | 20:36 |
| slickymaster | that just leave us with the schedule of the next meeting | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | which I believe will be pleia2's | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | chairing | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | #action #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time | 20:37 |
| elfy | believe so | 20:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | weekly or bi-weekly? | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | I'll wrap this one | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 20:38:35 2014 UTC. | 20:38 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.moin.txt | 20:38 |
| elfy | thanks slickymaster | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | xubutrello: due soon | 20:38 |
| xubutrello | -> 1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10 | 20:38 |
| xubutrello | -> 2. Package testcases (id: 29) due: 2014-06-06 11:00:00 UTC from list: Doing 14.10 | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Thanks. | 20:38 |
| elfy | pleia2: weekly atm | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | ok | 20:38 |
| elfy | though tbh I'm not sure it needs to be atm | 20:38 |
| slickymaster | thanks guys, just fot joining me in my agony | 20:39 |
| slickymaster | minutes are up | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | thanks slickymaster, I'll update the team report in a bit | 20:39 |
| slickymaster | Unit193 just going to have some sort of a dinner than I'll take a look at that link | 20:39 |
| elfy | pleia2: so - I'd be happy with fortnightly unless there's any reason to do it weekly | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | Food is good, yes. | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | elfy: I'm out of town starting next thursday for a week+, so no go in 2 weeks for me | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | next week is ok though | 20:40 |
| elfy | heh | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | and next week is the ubuntu online summit, which I assume we're not participating in | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | Do we have a reason to? | 20:42 |
| pleia2 | no, it's too late in the cycle to be useful, and the restrictive time zones make it kind of meh | 20:42 |
| slickymaster | but you're going to be persent pleia2, aren't you? | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | And we didn't want to run our own like a couple cycles ago? | 20:43 |
| slickymaster | * present | 20:43 |
| elfy | I don't think we missed having one last cycle | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | Nope. | 20:46 |
| elfy | but if people did want - I'd be open to it | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | slickymaster: only for a few sessions on tuesday and wednesday, in the air on thursday | 20:52 |
| pleia2 | re UOW | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | elfy: OK, so that one is due soon, have you checked all the testcases or are there some left for me? | 21:06 |
| elfy | Unit193: I've not started yet | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | Cool, then there's some for me. | 21:08 |
| elfy | yep - just let me know which you've checked :) | 21:08 |
| Unit193 | Via card or here? | 21:08 |
| elfy | if there are issues - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug | 21:08 |
| elfy | put it on the card and I'll check there | 21:09 |
| elfy | just add a new one - wfm | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | Bah, dang testcases. I run one and find a bug. :/ | 21:17 |
| ochosi | hey everyone | 21:31 |
| ochosi | sorry, i'm having a tough week | 21:31 |
| ochosi | ton of work and travelling, sorry i couldn't make it to the meeting today | 21:31 |
| ochosi | thanks for pulling it through slickymaster | 21:31 |
| Noskcaj | Did i miss anything in the meeting? I didn't wake up i time to see it all | 21:43 |
| ochosi | i think there wasn't too much going on, many missed it | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.html | 21:44 |
| Noskcaj | Can someone add me to the trello? | 21:50 |
| * ochosi will try | 21:52 | |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: done | 21:53 |
| Noskcaj | thanks | 21:53 |
| ochosi | np | 21:54 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: You are Noskcaj, right? | 21:54 |
| Noskcaj | should i add the upower transition to trello? | 21:54 |
| Noskcaj | yep | 21:54 |
| Noskcaj | ;) | 21:54 |
| ochosi | :) | 21:54 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: we're still exploring a bit what we can do with trello, so i suggest you add everything you think makes sense | 21:54 |
| Unit193 | Why? It's not an Xubuntu thing really, is it? Wouldn't that be like adding the libav9 -> libav10? | 21:55 |
| ochosi | i guess transitions make sense | 21:55 |
| ochosi | Unit193: well if it breaks xfce4-session and xfpm, it kinda does concern us | 21:55 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, it involves patches to xfce was my reasoning | 21:55 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Than that's a reason why. :) | 21:55 |
| ochosi | (just examples, i think i saw a longer list for xfce related packages) | 21:55 |
| ochosi | Unit193: Than? really? :) | 21:55 |
| ochosi | ok there you go, list of packages upower0.99 might break: http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/output/genrdeps/rindex/sys-power/upower | 21:56 |
| Noskcaj | xfpm, session, settings, systemload, and sorta weather-plugin | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Summer -> brain in fried mode 79% of the time. | 21:56 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: feel free to add a link to that list ^ | 21:56 |
| ochosi | ah ok :) | 21:56 |
| ochosi | Unit193: oh sure, how convenient ;) | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | Not really. :/ | 21:56 |
| ochosi | anyway, gotta go | 21:57 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | andrzejr: https://unit193.net/clear-indicators.png doesn't look right, have you seen it? | 22:26 |
| andrzejr | Unit193, no! :-) | 22:33 |
| andrzejr | thanks | 22:33 |
| andrzejr | strange, what should I use instead of deprecated GTK_STOCK_CLEAR? | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | edit-clear | 22:38 |
| Unit193 | https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-CLEAR:CAPS | 22:38 |
| andrzejr | that's what it is now | 22:38 |
| andrzejr | but "gtk-clear" seems to work | 22:39 |
| * Unit193 shrugs. | 22:40 | |
| andrzejr | interestingly, the same document contains: "#define GTK_STOCK_CLEAR ((GtkStock)"gtk-clear")" | 22:41 |
| andrzejr | I guess that's a gtk documentation error then. | 22:42 |
| andrzejr | fixed in master | 22:47 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, do you think it's viable to have docs translations credits in time for .1 release? | 22:49 |
| Unit193 | andrzejr: Great! | 22:52 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Think that was the plan. | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | ok, just checking :P | 22:53 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Remember, you're the lead, I really don't know except for what's been said before. You got a date for that translations call? | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, I'm thinking of making one in about a week in ML | 22:55 |
| Unit193 | Erm, for 14.10? Want to do it after most of the docs are frozen, I'd think. | 22:56 |
| slickymaster | I was still thinking in .1 | 22:56 |
| Unit193 | Ah, OK. | 22:56 |
| slickymaster | wouldn't it be doable? | 22:56 |
| Unit193 | I don't know the policy on SRU'ing translations. | 22:57 |
| slickymaster | do you think it should be dropped for .1 and only target to utopic? | 22:57 |
| slickymaster | you and me both :P | 22:58 |
| Unit193 | I don't know, LTS is supposed to mean something, right? | 22:58 |
| slickymaster | I'll have to look into that, before making the call | 22:58 |
| knome | historically, i don't think translations are usually considered SRU candidates | 22:59 |
| knome | that doesn't mean that with good argumenting we couldn't get those in | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | byt in pratical terms do you see it as doable? | 23:00 |
| slickymaster | /byt/but | 23:00 |
| knome | if you want a better, more accurate opinion (tm), you probably should be directly in contact with the SRU team | 23:01 |
| slickymaster | I mean, the only viable candidates would be the russian, and it would be great if it gets finished | 23:01 |
| knome | i think it would be nice to get more languages in, but in a way, i'm more interested in getting the credits in. | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | ^ Wants his name in again. ;) | 23:02 |
| knome | well, i would be okay dropping my name, for the sake of it... | 23:02 |
| knome | it's just that i think it would make it easier to attract new translators | 23:03 |
| slickymaster | well were just 5-6 weeks before .1 release | 23:03 |
| slickymaster | and from your reasoning, I think I better re-target that call for U | 23:04 |
| knome | we've kind of said we'll include more translations for .1 | 23:05 |
| knome | and there will be more point releases | 23:05 |
| slickymaster | I do agree with knome, crediting could potencially attract more translators | 23:05 |
| knome | will the decision taken now affect those as well? | 23:05 |
| knome | or are we willing to do an SRU if it brings us more than one language? | 23:05 |
| slickymaster | if that were to happen, I don't see why we shouldn't | 23:06 |
| slickymaster | one thing Unit193, those parser errors in http://paste.progval.net/show/QrIXUBSeNKm5J4jnidmH/ are caused by what? | 23:07 |
| knome | seems like the xubuntu.ent file is missing, or not properly loaded | 23:09 |
| slickymaster | one of the reasons behind my idea of anticipating the call for translators from U to .1 was exactly that it was said that we'd include more translations for .1 | 23:13 |
| Unit193 | knome: I'm kidding, you did a lot of work on FI, it'd be silly to drop it. | 23:15 |
| knome | Unit193, drop fi? yeah. ;) | 23:15 |
| knome | slickymaster, well the slight problem with that is that the U docs have a different target from the .1 docs. | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Also, not really sure, same build methods. | 23:17 |
| slickymaster | yes, but the fact still remains | 23:17 |
| knome | i'm off tomorrow and most of thursday, but after that, i could poke a/some SRU team member(s) to ask if they would approve the translation update to begin with. | 23:18 |
| knome | then we can consider if we want to do it or not | 23:18 |
| knome | if they deem it as "sure, go ahead", then i see little reason *not* to do that | 23:18 |
| slickymaster | that's a good plan | 23:18 |
| knome | but if they are more like 50/50, then we might consider if we really want to do the work | 23:18 |
| knome | especially as it seems to be only one language now | 23:19 |
| knome | Unit193, or, more to come? | 23:19 |
| slickymaster | I should go to bed. I'm not Unit193 and I'm awake for 20 hours now | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Good night. | 23:20 |
| slickymaster | lol | 23:21 |
| knome | night slickymaster | 23:21 |
| Unit193 | knome: The only one that's been making progress is en_GB. :P | 23:21 |
| knome | uh | 23:22 |
| knome | what about es? | 23:22 |
| knome | how close? | 23:22 |
| Unit193 | es.po 48.9024% | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | ja.po 32.439% | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | ru.po 65.7317% | 23:23 |
| slickymaster | and the french Unit193? | 23:25 |
| Unit193 | fr.po 46.7073% | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | en_AU? | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:28 |
| knome | bluesabre, forget about that, it's just typoed english | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | haha | 23:28 |
| slickymaster | now I'm really off | 23:29 |
| knome | nighty | 23:29 |
| slickymaster | cy tomorrow all -> | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | knome: Can you disable some translations on LP? | 23:30 |
| knome | i don't think so | 23:31 |
| Unit193 | knome: Heh, for one thing I forgot to s/trusty/utopic/ .bzr/branch/branch.conf -i | 23:42 |
| Unit193 | I mean it's still not working, but now I'm on the right branch. | 23:43 |
| knome | i've no idea what you're talking about ;) | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | I was on the trusty branch, not the utopic branch. It's still broken, however. | 23:45 |
| knome | aha | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | You did say you get these issues too, right? | 23:46 |
| knome | entities missing? | 23:47 |
| knome | no, i haven't poked the branch in ages, just looked what david's paste looked like | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | That was mine. | 23:48 |
| knome | oh | 23:48 |
| knome | again, off tomorrow and most of thu, and fri might go working with clients, but i should be available after that | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | Dangit, clean chroot has no issues. >_+ | 23:49 |
| knome | :) | 23:57 |
| knome | ok, i'm off | 23:57 |
| knome | have fun | 23:57 |
| Unit193 | This doesn't make sense, I have all the required deps to build it, from the official repos, and no modifications... | 23:57 |
| Unit193 | Bye. | 23:58 |
| knome | heh. | 23:58 |
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