[10:39] <olbi> hi guys, are there any xubuntu 14.04.1 images on ther servers?
[10:44] <ali1234> no because 14.04.1 isn't out until july
[11:18] <xnox> olbi: and we haven't yet started building trusty daily images (in the run up to 14.04.1 release)
[11:19] <olbi> so now only updateded will be translations? :)
[11:23] <olbi> I need to know when will be pushed all Polish Translations from Transifex, to Git and than to deb packages into Xubuntu repos :-) cause there are so many changes which aren't in Proposed repos
[19:11] <Unit193> [19:59] <slickymaster> !team | meeting time!
[20:00] <slickymaster> #startmeeting
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[20:00] <pleia2> o/
[20:00] <slickymaster> So, who's here for the meeting?
[20:01] <forestpiskie> o/
[20:02] <slickymaster> Unit193, will you just be lurking?
[20:02] <Unit193> Generally, unless otherwise.
[20:02] <slickymaster> #topic Open action items
[20:03] <slickymaster> Unit193 anything on the Trello bot for interaction with the board from within IRC?
[20:04] <slickymaster> I do have to apologise for forgeting to add the items to the meeting agenda. My bad :P
[20:04] <Unit193> slickymaster: Just xubutrello: help
[20:05] <elfy> I can tell you there's not :)
[20:06] <slickymaster> one other thing Unit193, you were to propose a new installable metapackage, right?
[20:07] <Unit193> #info xubuntu-core seed changes have been merged, task is installable now and the package will be installable next xubuntu-meta upload.
[20:07] <slickymaster> great
[20:07] <pleia2> cool :)
[20:08] <slickymaster> the other open action items I had concern ochosi, knome and bluesabre, but since they absent I'll move along
[20:08] <slickymaster> #action knome to create a Trello account
[20:08] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to create a Trello account
[20:08] <Unit193> Testing is waiting for the meta upload, of course.
[20:09] <elfy> there are a lot of team not with a trello account
[20:09] <slickymaster> do you know if lderan has made any progress in the UI for the panel-switch application Unit193?
[20:09] <Unit193> elfy: Not that much, really.
[20:09] <Unit193> slickymaster: No idea.
[20:10] <elfy> Unit193: ~25%
[20:10] <slickymaster> elfy, regarding GTK3 apps for autopilot (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-qa) do you want to info anything?
[20:11] <elfy> nothing to info at present
[20:11] <elfy> not seen lderan for a while
[20:11] <slickymaster> #action team members still without Trello account should create one asap
[20:11] <meetingology> ACTION: team members still without Trello account should create one asap
[20:12] <slickymaster> ok, moving on
[20:12] <slickymaster> #topic Team updates
[20:12] <slickymaster> anything?
[20:12] <elfy> few
[20:12] <elfy> a few :p
[20:12] <elfy> #info Very little package testing being done
[20:13] <elfy> #info Images currently uninstallable
[20:13] <elfy> done
[20:13] <Unit193> slickymaster: You have one for docs, the translations no longer pass checks.
[20:14] <slickymaster> I haven't checked that yet Unit193 
[20:14] <slickymaster> I'm going to poke you on that, if you don't mind me doing it Unit193 
[20:16]  * slickymaster is in doubt if the Devian liaison and XTL should be announced or not
[20:16] <elfy> I'd guess not
[20:16] <slickymaster> that's my thoughts also
[20:16] <slickymaster> #topic Discussion
[20:16] <elfy> but the Debian one was a "I'm saying this" unless anyone says no on the m/l
[20:16] <slickymaster> #subtopic Move call for translations from 14.10 to 14.04.1
[20:17] <slickymaster> Unit193 brougth this to my attention 
[20:17] <slickymaster> and as a matter of fact I was already thinking of it
[20:18] <slickymaster> does anyone has thoughts/opinions on the subject
[20:18] <elfy> I've no idea what you're talking about :)
[20:18] <slickymaster> elfy https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-docs
[20:19] <slickymaster> one of the items in the docs-blueprint is a call for translations, since we just have two languages translated
[20:19] <elfy> slickymaster: if this sort of thing can be dated - would be useful to get it on trello with dates 
[20:20] <slickymaster> yes, agree
[20:20] <Unit193> I think I said it the other way around, actually.
[20:20] <Unit193> elfy: It's already there.
[20:21] <slickymaster> Unit193m the other way around as in...?
[20:21] <elfy> Unit193: I must be blind then
[20:22] <slickymaster> not seeing it neither
[20:22] <Unit193> slickymaster: Move from 14.04.1 to 14.10.
[20:22] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 66 link
[20:22] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/xss9yOWH/66-run-a-call-for-translators-for-the-documentation
[20:22] <elfy> Unit193: got it 
[20:23] <slickymaster> initially it was planned to 14.10, not to the first point release
[20:23] <slickymaster> or am I going crazy?
[20:24] <elfy> no idea 
[20:24] <slickymaster> but my idea of anticipate the call was mainly to try to start something
[20:25] <slickymaster> the way I see it, there's too much inertia regarding the translations
[20:26] <slickymaster> people just seem to don't give a damn about it and IMO it's something important that should be delt with
[20:26] <slickymaster> anyway we can postpone it to the next meeting
[20:27] <slickymaster> #subtopic systemd
[20:27] <slickymaster> are we going to track it?
[20:27] <Unit193> Well, I was, but not specifically for Xubuntu.
[20:28] <slickymaster> from kernel 3.15.0-4 onward it's going to be default
[20:28] <elfy> slickymaster: where did you read that? 
[20:28] <elfy> I've not seen anything to say that on m/l's
[20:30] <slickymaster> I got that idea from Martin Pitt's mail to the ubuntu-devel ML
[20:32] <elfy> Utopic boot broken: What now?
[20:32] <elfy> that mail?
[20:32] <Unit193> If so, that was an upload error that's been fixed.
[20:32] <slickymaster> yes, from 5 days ago
[20:33] <slickymaster> or I completely misread it Unit193
[20:33] <elfy> not sure that's saying that systemd is being used default, just a way to boot those machines 
[20:33] <Unit193> Exactly.
[20:33] <slickymaster> elfy, most probably I misread it
[20:34] <slickymaster> anyway, Unit193 do you mind if I add an action item for you, regarding tracking systemd and xubuntu?
[20:35] <elfy> pretty sure that we don't really need to do much for a cycle or so tbh
[20:35] <Unit193> Well, not really sure what that'd mean exactly, but I'm generally keeping up with it.  But yes, we shouldn't really need to do much/anything.
[20:35] <Unit193> But otherwise, sounds fine.
[20:36] <slickymaster> okie dokie, we'll drop it for now
[20:37] <slickymaster> that just leave us with the schedule of the next meeting
[20:37] <slickymaster> which I believe will be pleia2's
[20:37] <slickymaster> chairing
[20:37] <slickymaster> #action #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time
[20:37] <elfy> believe so
[20:37] <meetingology> ACTION: #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time
[20:38] <pleia2> weekly or bi-weekly?
[20:38] <slickymaster> I'll wrap this one
[20:38] <slickymaster> #endmeeting
[20:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  3 20:38:35 2014 UTC.  
[20:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.moin.txt
[20:38] <elfy> thanks slickymaster 
[20:38] <Unit193> xubutrello: due soon
[20:38] <xubutrello>   ->  1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[20:38] <xubutrello>   ->  2. Package testcases (id: 29) due: 2014-06-06 11:00:00 UTC from list: Doing 14.10
[20:38] <Unit193> slickymaster: Thanks.
[20:38] <elfy> pleia2: weekly atm
[20:38] <pleia2> ok
[20:38] <elfy> though tbh I'm not sure it needs to be atm
[20:39] <slickymaster> thanks guys, just fot joining me in my agony
[20:39] <slickymaster> minutes are up
[20:39] <pleia2> thanks slickymaster, I'll update the team report in a bit
[20:39] <slickymaster> Unit193 just going to have some sort of a dinner than I'll take a look at that link
[20:39] <elfy> pleia2: so - I'd be happy with fortnightly unless there's any reason to do it weekly
[20:39] <Unit193> Food is good, yes.
[20:40] <pleia2> elfy: I'm out of town starting next thursday for a week+, so no go in 2 weeks for me
[20:40] <pleia2> next week is ok though
[20:40] <elfy> heh
[20:41] <pleia2> and next week is the ubuntu online summit, which I assume we're not participating in
[20:42] <Unit193> Do we have a reason to?
[20:42] <pleia2> no, it's too late in the cycle to be useful, and the restrictive time zones make it kind of meh
[20:43] <slickymaster> but you're going to be persent pleia2, aren't you?
[20:43] <Unit193> And we didn't want to run our own like a couple cycles ago?
[20:43] <slickymaster> * present
[20:46] <elfy> I don't think we missed having one last cycle
[20:46] <Unit193> Nope.
[20:49] <elfy> but if people did want - I'd be open to it
[20:52] <pleia2> slickymaster: only for a few sessions on tuesday and wednesday, in the air on thursday
[20:53] <pleia2> re UOW
[21:06] <Unit193> elfy: OK, so that one is due soon, have you checked all the testcases or are there some left for me?
[21:07] <elfy> Unit193: I've not started yet
[21:08] <Unit193> Cool, then there's some for me.
[21:08] <elfy> yep - just let me know which you've checked :)
[21:08] <Unit193> Via card or here?
[21:08] <elfy> if there are issues - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
[21:09] <elfy> put it on the card and I'll check there
[21:09] <elfy> just add a new one - wfm
[21:17] <Unit193> Bah, dang testcases.  I run one and find a bug. :/
[21:31] <ochosi> hey everyone
[21:31] <ochosi> sorry, i'm having a tough week
[21:31] <ochosi> ton of work and travelling, sorry i couldn't make it to the meeting today
[21:31] <ochosi> thanks for pulling it through slickymaster 
[21:43] <Noskcaj> Did i miss anything in the meeting? I didn't wake up i time to see it all
[21:44] <ochosi> i think there wasn't too much going on, many missed it
[21:44] <Unit193> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.html
[21:50] <Noskcaj> Can someone add me to the trello?
[21:52]  * ochosi will try
[21:53] <ochosi> Noskcaj: done
[21:53] <Noskcaj> thanks
[21:54] <ochosi> np
[21:54] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You are Noskcaj, right?
[21:54] <Noskcaj> should i add the upower transition to trello?
[21:54] <Noskcaj> yep
[21:54] <Noskcaj> ;)
[21:54] <ochosi> :)
[21:54] <ochosi> Noskcaj: we're still exploring a bit what we can do with trello, so i suggest you add everything you think makes sense
[21:55] <Unit193> Why?  It's not an Xubuntu thing really, is it?  Wouldn't that be like adding the libav9 -> libav10?
[21:55] <ochosi> i guess transitions make sense
[21:55] <ochosi> Unit193: well if it breaks xfce4-session and xfpm, it kinda does concern us
[21:55] <Noskcaj> Unit193, it involves patches to xfce was my reasoning
[21:55] <Unit193> ochosi: Than that's a reason why. :)
[21:55] <ochosi> (just examples, i think i saw a longer list for xfce related packages)
[21:55] <ochosi> Unit193: Than? really? :)
[21:56] <ochosi> ok there you go, list of packages upower0.99 might break: http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/output/genrdeps/rindex/sys-power/upower
[21:56] <Noskcaj> xfpm, session, settings, systemload, and sorta weather-plugin
[21:56] <Unit193> ochosi: Summer -> brain in fried mode 79% of the time.
[21:56] <ochosi> Noskcaj: feel free to add a link to that list ^
[21:56] <ochosi> ah ok :)
[21:56] <ochosi> Unit193: oh sure, how convenient ;)
[21:56] <Unit193> Not really. :/
[21:57] <ochosi> anyway, gotta go
[21:57] <ochosi> night everyone
[21:57] <Unit193> G'night.
[22:26] <Unit193> andrzejr: https://unit193.net/clear-indicators.png doesn't look right, have you seen it?
[22:33] <andrzejr> Unit193, no! :-)
[22:33] <andrzejr> thanks
[22:36] <andrzejr> strange, what should I use instead of deprecated GTK_STOCK_CLEAR?
[22:38] <Unit193> edit-clear
[22:38] <Unit193> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-CLEAR:CAPS
[22:38] <andrzejr> that's what it is now
[22:39] <andrzejr> but "gtk-clear" seems to work
[22:40]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[22:41] <andrzejr> interestingly, the same document contains: "#define GTK_STOCK_CLEAR            ((GtkStock)"gtk-clear")"
[22:42] <andrzejr> I guess that's a gtk documentation error then.
[22:47] <andrzejr> fixed in master
[22:49] <slickymaster> Unit193, do you think it's viable to have docs translations credits in time for .1 release?
[22:52] <Unit193> andrzejr: Great!
[22:52] <Unit193> slickymaster: Think that was the plan.
[22:53] <slickymaster> ok, just checking :P
[22:54] <Unit193> slickymaster: Remember, you're the lead, I really don't know except for what's been said before.  You got a date for that translations call?
[22:55] <slickymaster> Unit193, I'm thinking of making one in about a week in ML
[22:56] <Unit193> Erm, for 14.10?  Want to do it after most of the docs are frozen, I'd think.
[22:56] <slickymaster> I was still thinking in .1
[22:56] <Unit193> Ah, OK.
[22:56] <slickymaster> wouldn't it be doable?
[22:57] <Unit193> I don't know the policy on SRU'ing translations.
[22:57] <slickymaster> do you think it should be dropped for .1 and only target to utopic?
[22:58] <slickymaster> you and me both :P
[22:58] <Unit193> I don't know, LTS is supposed to mean something, right?
[22:58] <slickymaster> I'll have to look into that, before making the call
[22:59] <knome> historically, i don't think translations are usually considered SRU candidates
[22:59] <knome> that doesn't mean that with good argumenting we couldn't get those in
[23:00] <slickymaster> byt in pratical terms do you see it as doable?
[23:00] <slickymaster> /byt/but
[23:01] <knome> if you want a better, more accurate opinion (tm), you probably should be directly in contact with the SRU team
[23:01] <slickymaster> I mean, the only viable candidates would be the russian, and it would be great if it gets finished
[23:02] <knome> i think it would be nice to get more languages in, but in a way, i'm more interested in getting the credits in.
[23:02] <Unit193> ^ Wants his name in again. ;)
[23:02] <knome> well, i would be okay dropping my name, for the sake of it...
[23:03] <knome> it's just that i think it would make it easier to attract new translators
[23:03] <slickymaster> well were just 5-6 weeks before .1 release
[23:04] <slickymaster> and from your reasoning, I think I better re-target that call for U
[23:05] <knome> we've kind of said we'll include more translations for .1
[23:05] <knome> and there will be more point releases
[23:05] <slickymaster> I do agree with knome, crediting could potencially attract more translators
[23:05] <knome> will the decision taken now affect those as well?
[23:05] <knome> or are we willing to do an SRU if it brings us more than one language?
[23:06] <slickymaster> if that were to happen, I don't see why we shouldn't
[23:07] <slickymaster> one thing Unit193, those parser errors in http://paste.progval.net/show/QrIXUBSeNKm5J4jnidmH/ are caused by what?
[23:09] <knome> seems like the xubuntu.ent file is missing, or not properly loaded
[23:13] <slickymaster> one of the reasons behind my idea of anticipating the call for translators from U to .1 was exactly that it was said that we'd include more translations for .1
[23:15] <Unit193> knome: I'm kidding, you did a lot of work on FI, it'd be silly to drop it.
[23:15] <knome> Unit193, drop fi? yeah. ;)
[23:16] <knome> slickymaster, well the slight problem with that is that the U docs have a different target from the .1 docs.
[23:16] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[23:17] <Unit193> slickymaster: Also, not really sure, same build methods.
[23:17] <slickymaster> yes, but the fact still remains
[23:18] <knome> i'm off tomorrow and most of thursday, but after that, i could poke a/some SRU team member(s) to ask if they would approve the translation update to begin with.
[23:18] <knome> then we can consider if we want to do it or not
[23:18] <knome> if they deem it as "sure, go ahead", then i see little reason *not* to do that
[23:18] <slickymaster> that's a good plan
[23:18] <knome> but if they are more like 50/50, then we might consider if we really want to do the work
[23:19] <knome> especially as it seems to be only one language now
[23:19] <knome> Unit193, or, more to come?
[23:20] <slickymaster> I should go to bed. I'm not Unit193 and I'm awake for 20 hours now
[23:20] <Unit193> slickymaster: Good night.
[23:21] <slickymaster> lol
[23:21] <knome> night slickymaster 
[23:21] <Unit193> knome: The only one that's been making progress is en_GB. :P
[23:22] <knome> uh
[23:22] <knome> what about es?
[23:22] <knome> how close?
[23:23] <Unit193> es.po   48.9024%
[23:23] <Unit193> ja.po   32.439%
[23:23] <Unit193> ru.po   65.7317%
[23:25] <slickymaster> and the french Unit193?
[23:25] <Unit193> fr.po   46.7073%
[23:27] <bluesabre> en_AU?
[23:28] <bluesabre> :)
[23:28] <knome> bluesabre, forget about that, it's just typoed english
[23:28] <bluesabre> haha
[23:29] <slickymaster> now I'm really off
[23:29] <knome> nighty
[23:29] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow all ->
[23:30] <Unit193> knome: Can you disable some translations on LP?
[23:31] <knome> i don't think so
[23:42] <Unit193> knome: Heh, for one thing I forgot to s/trusty/utopic/ .bzr/branch/branch.conf -i
[23:43] <Unit193> I mean it's still not working, but now I'm on the right branch.
[23:45] <knome> i've no idea what you're talking about ;)
[23:45] <Unit193> I was on the trusty branch, not the utopic branch.  It's still broken, however.
[23:46] <knome> aha
[23:46] <Unit193> You did say you get these issues too, right?
[23:47] <knome> entities missing?
[23:48] <knome> no, i haven't poked the branch in ages, just looked what david's paste looked like
[23:48] <Unit193> That was mine.
[23:48] <knome> oh
[23:48] <knome> again, off tomorrow and most of thu, and fri might go working with clients, but i should be available after that
[23:49] <Unit193> Dangit, clean chroot has no issues. >_+
[23:57] <knome> :)
[23:57] <knome> ok, i'm off
[23:57] <knome> have fun
[23:57] <Unit193> This doesn't make sense, I have all the required deps to build it, from the official repos, and no modifications...
[23:58] <Unit193> Bye.
[23:58] <knome> heh.