[10:39] hi guys, are there any xubuntu 14.04.1 images on ther servers? [10:44] no because 14.04.1 isn't out until july [11:18] olbi: and we haven't yet started building trusty daily images (in the run up to 14.04.1 release) [11:19] so now only updateded will be translations? :) [11:23] I need to know when will be pushed all Polish Translations from Transifex, to Git and than to deb packages into Xubuntu repos :-) cause there are so many changes which aren't in Proposed repos [19:11] === Xubuntu community meeting in 50 minutes - #xubuntu-devel === [19:59] !team | meeting time! [19:59] meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [20:00] #startmeeting [20:00] Meeting started Tue Jun 3 20:00:39 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] o/ [20:00] So, who's here for the meeting? [20:01] o/ [20:02] Unit193, will you just be lurking? [20:02] Generally, unless otherwise. [20:02] #topic Open action items [20:03] Unit193 anything on the Trello bot for interaction with the board from within IRC? [20:04] I do have to apologise for forgeting to add the items to the meeting agenda. My bad :P [20:04] slickymaster: Just xubutrello: help [20:05] I can tell you there's not :) [20:06] one other thing Unit193, you were to propose a new installable metapackage, right? [20:07] #info xubuntu-core seed changes have been merged, task is installable now and the package will be installable next xubuntu-meta upload. [20:07] great [20:07] cool :) [20:08] the other open action items I had concern ochosi, knome and bluesabre, but since they absent I'll move along [20:08] #action knome to create a Trello account [20:08] ACTION: knome to create a Trello account [20:08] Testing is waiting for the meta upload, of course. [20:09] there are a lot of team not with a trello account [20:09] do you know if lderan has made any progress in the UI for the panel-switch application Unit193? [20:09] elfy: Not that much, really. [20:09] slickymaster: No idea. [20:10] Unit193: ~25% [20:10] elfy, regarding GTK3 apps for autopilot (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-qa) do you want to info anything? [20:11] nothing to info at present [20:11] not seen lderan for a while [20:11] #action team members still without Trello account should create one asap [20:11] ACTION: team members still without Trello account should create one asap [20:12] ok, moving on [20:12] #topic Team updates [20:12] anything? [20:12] few [20:12] a few :p [20:12] #info Very little package testing being done [20:13] #info Images currently uninstallable [20:13] done [20:13] slickymaster: You have one for docs, the translations no longer pass checks. [20:14] I haven't checked that yet Unit193 [20:14] I'm going to poke you on that, if you don't mind me doing it Unit193 [20:16] * slickymaster is in doubt if the Devian liaison and XTL should be announced or not [20:16] I'd guess not [20:16] that's my thoughts also [20:16] #topic Discussion [20:16] but the Debian one was a "I'm saying this" unless anyone says no on the m/l [20:16] #subtopic Move call for translations from 14.10 to 14.04.1 [20:17] Unit193 brougth this to my attention [20:17] and as a matter of fact I was already thinking of it [20:18] does anyone has thoughts/opinions on the subject [20:18] I've no idea what you're talking about :) [20:18] elfy https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-docs [20:19] one of the items in the docs-blueprint is a call for translations, since we just have two languages translated [20:19] slickymaster: if this sort of thing can be dated - would be useful to get it on trello with dates [20:20] yes, agree [20:20] I think I said it the other way around, actually. [20:20] elfy: It's already there. [20:21] Unit193m the other way around as in...? [20:21] Unit193: I must be blind then [20:22] not seeing it neither [20:22] slickymaster: Move from 14.04.1 to 14.10. [20:22] xubutrello: card 66 link [20:22] https://trello.com/c/xss9yOWH/66-run-a-call-for-translators-for-the-documentation [20:22] Unit193: got it [20:23] initially it was planned to 14.10, not to the first point release [20:23] or am I going crazy? [20:24] no idea [20:24] but my idea of anticipate the call was mainly to try to start something [20:25] the way I see it, there's too much inertia regarding the translations [20:26] people just seem to don't give a damn about it and IMO it's something important that should be delt with [20:26] anyway we can postpone it to the next meeting [20:27] #subtopic systemd [20:27] are we going to track it? [20:27] Well, I was, but not specifically for Xubuntu. [20:28] from kernel 3.15.0-4 onward it's going to be default [20:28] slickymaster: where did you read that? [20:28] I've not seen anything to say that on m/l's [20:30] I got that idea from Martin Pitt's mail to the ubuntu-devel ML [20:32] Utopic boot broken: What now? [20:32] that mail? [20:32] If so, that was an upload error that's been fixed. [20:32] yes, from 5 days ago [20:33] or I completely misread it Unit193 [20:33] not sure that's saying that systemd is being used default, just a way to boot those machines [20:33] Exactly. [20:33] elfy, most probably I misread it [20:34] anyway, Unit193 do you mind if I add an action item for you, regarding tracking systemd and xubuntu? [20:35] pretty sure that we don't really need to do much for a cycle or so tbh [20:35] Well, not really sure what that'd mean exactly, but I'm generally keeping up with it. But yes, we shouldn't really need to do much/anything. [20:35] But otherwise, sounds fine. [20:36] okie dokie, we'll drop it for now [20:37] that just leave us with the schedule of the next meeting [20:37] which I believe will be pleia2's [20:37] chairing [20:37] #action #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time [20:37] believe so [20:37] ACTION: #action pleia2 to announce the next meeting time [20:38] weekly or bi-weekly? [20:38] I'll wrap this one [20:38] #endmeeting [20:38] Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 20:38:35 2014 UTC. [20:38] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.moin.txt [20:38] thanks slickymaster [20:38] xubutrello: due soon [20:38] -> 1. Suite B Call (id: 15) due: 2014-06-09 11:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10 [20:38] -> 2. Package testcases (id: 29) due: 2014-06-06 11:00:00 UTC from list: Doing 14.10 [20:38] slickymaster: Thanks. [20:38] pleia2: weekly atm [20:38] ok [20:38] though tbh I'm not sure it needs to be atm [20:39] thanks guys, just fot joining me in my agony [20:39] minutes are up [20:39] thanks slickymaster, I'll update the team report in a bit [20:39] Unit193 just going to have some sort of a dinner than I'll take a look at that link [20:39] pleia2: so - I'd be happy with fortnightly unless there's any reason to do it weekly [20:39] Food is good, yes. [20:40] elfy: I'm out of town starting next thursday for a week+, so no go in 2 weeks for me [20:40] next week is ok though [20:40] heh [20:41] and next week is the ubuntu online summit, which I assume we're not participating in [20:42] Do we have a reason to? [20:42] no, it's too late in the cycle to be useful, and the restrictive time zones make it kind of meh [20:43] but you're going to be persent pleia2, aren't you? [20:43] And we didn't want to run our own like a couple cycles ago? [20:43] * present [20:46] I don't think we missed having one last cycle [20:46] Nope. [20:49] but if people did want - I'd be open to it [20:52] slickymaster: only for a few sessions on tuesday and wednesday, in the air on thursday [20:53] re UOW [21:06] elfy: OK, so that one is due soon, have you checked all the testcases or are there some left for me? [21:07] Unit193: I've not started yet [21:08] Cool, then there's some for me. [21:08] yep - just let me know which you've checked :) [21:08] Via card or here? [21:08] if there are issues - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug [21:09] put it on the card and I'll check there [21:09] just add a new one - wfm [21:17] Bah, dang testcases. I run one and find a bug. :/ [21:31] hey everyone [21:31] sorry, i'm having a tough week [21:31] ton of work and travelling, sorry i couldn't make it to the meeting today [21:31] thanks for pulling it through slickymaster [21:43] Did i miss anything in the meeting? I didn't wake up i time to see it all [21:44] i think there wasn't too much going on, many missed it [21:44] http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-06-03-20.00.html [21:50] Can someone add me to the trello? [21:52] * ochosi will try [21:53] Noskcaj: done [21:53] thanks [21:54] np [21:54] Noskcaj: You are Noskcaj, right? [21:54] should i add the upower transition to trello? [21:54] yep [21:54] ;) [21:54] :) [21:54] Noskcaj: we're still exploring a bit what we can do with trello, so i suggest you add everything you think makes sense [21:55] Why? It's not an Xubuntu thing really, is it? Wouldn't that be like adding the libav9 -> libav10? [21:55] i guess transitions make sense [21:55] Unit193: well if it breaks xfce4-session and xfpm, it kinda does concern us [21:55] Unit193, it involves patches to xfce was my reasoning [21:55] ochosi: Than that's a reason why. :) [21:55] (just examples, i think i saw a longer list for xfce related packages) [21:55] Unit193: Than? really? :) [21:56] ok there you go, list of packages upower0.99 might break: http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/output/genrdeps/rindex/sys-power/upower [21:56] xfpm, session, settings, systemload, and sorta weather-plugin [21:56] ochosi: Summer -> brain in fried mode 79% of the time. [21:56] Noskcaj: feel free to add a link to that list ^ [21:56] ah ok :) [21:56] Unit193: oh sure, how convenient ;) [21:56] Not really. :/ [21:57] anyway, gotta go [21:57] night everyone [21:57] G'night. [22:26] andrzejr: https://unit193.net/clear-indicators.png doesn't look right, have you seen it? [22:33] Unit193, no! :-) [22:33] thanks [22:36] strange, what should I use instead of deprecated GTK_STOCK_CLEAR? [22:38] edit-clear [22:38] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-CLEAR:CAPS [22:38] that's what it is now [22:39] but "gtk-clear" seems to work [22:40] * Unit193 shrugs. [22:41] interestingly, the same document contains: "#define GTK_STOCK_CLEAR ((GtkStock)"gtk-clear")" [22:42] I guess that's a gtk documentation error then. [22:47] fixed in master [22:49] Unit193, do you think it's viable to have docs translations credits in time for .1 release? [22:52] andrzejr: Great! [22:52] slickymaster: Think that was the plan. [22:53] ok, just checking :P [22:54] slickymaster: Remember, you're the lead, I really don't know except for what's been said before. You got a date for that translations call? [22:55] Unit193, I'm thinking of making one in about a week in ML [22:56] Erm, for 14.10? Want to do it after most of the docs are frozen, I'd think. [22:56] I was still thinking in .1 [22:56] Ah, OK. [22:56] wouldn't it be doable? [22:57] I don't know the policy on SRU'ing translations. [22:57] do you think it should be dropped for .1 and only target to utopic? [22:58] you and me both :P [22:58] I don't know, LTS is supposed to mean something, right? [22:58] I'll have to look into that, before making the call [22:59] historically, i don't think translations are usually considered SRU candidates [22:59] that doesn't mean that with good argumenting we couldn't get those in [23:00] byt in pratical terms do you see it as doable? [23:00] /byt/but [23:01] if you want a better, more accurate opinion (tm), you probably should be directly in contact with the SRU team [23:01] I mean, the only viable candidates would be the russian, and it would be great if it gets finished [23:02] i think it would be nice to get more languages in, but in a way, i'm more interested in getting the credits in. [23:02] ^ Wants his name in again. ;) [23:02] well, i would be okay dropping my name, for the sake of it... [23:03] it's just that i think it would make it easier to attract new translators [23:03] well were just 5-6 weeks before .1 release [23:04] and from your reasoning, I think I better re-target that call for U [23:05] we've kind of said we'll include more translations for .1 [23:05] and there will be more point releases [23:05] I do agree with knome, crediting could potencially attract more translators [23:05] will the decision taken now affect those as well? [23:05] or are we willing to do an SRU if it brings us more than one language? [23:06] if that were to happen, I don't see why we shouldn't [23:07] one thing Unit193, those parser errors in http://paste.progval.net/show/QrIXUBSeNKm5J4jnidmH/ are caused by what? [23:09] seems like the xubuntu.ent file is missing, or not properly loaded [23:13] one of the reasons behind my idea of anticipating the call for translators from U to .1 was exactly that it was said that we'd include more translations for .1 [23:15] knome: I'm kidding, you did a lot of work on FI, it'd be silly to drop it. [23:15] Unit193, drop fi? yeah. ;) [23:16] slickymaster, well the slight problem with that is that the U docs have a different target from the .1 docs. [23:16] Mhmm. [23:17] slickymaster: Also, not really sure, same build methods. [23:17] yes, but the fact still remains [23:18] i'm off tomorrow and most of thursday, but after that, i could poke a/some SRU team member(s) to ask if they would approve the translation update to begin with. [23:18] then we can consider if we want to do it or not [23:18] if they deem it as "sure, go ahead", then i see little reason *not* to do that [23:18] that's a good plan [23:18] but if they are more like 50/50, then we might consider if we really want to do the work [23:19] especially as it seems to be only one language now [23:19] Unit193, or, more to come? [23:20] I should go to bed. I'm not Unit193 and I'm awake for 20 hours now [23:20] slickymaster: Good night. [23:21] lol [23:21] night slickymaster [23:21] knome: The only one that's been making progress is en_GB. :P [23:22] uh [23:22] what about es? [23:22] how close? [23:23] es.po 48.9024% [23:23] ja.po 32.439% [23:23] ru.po 65.7317% [23:25] and the french Unit193? [23:25] fr.po 46.7073% [23:27] en_AU? [23:28] :) [23:28] bluesabre, forget about that, it's just typoed english [23:28] haha [23:29] now I'm really off [23:29] nighty [23:29] cy tomorrow all -> [23:30] knome: Can you disable some translations on LP? [23:31] i don't think so [23:42] knome: Heh, for one thing I forgot to s/trusty/utopic/ .bzr/branch/branch.conf -i [23:43] I mean it's still not working, but now I'm on the right branch. [23:45] i've no idea what you're talking about ;) [23:45] I was on the trusty branch, not the utopic branch. It's still broken, however. [23:46] aha [23:46] You did say you get these issues too, right? [23:47] entities missing? [23:48] no, i haven't poked the branch in ages, just looked what david's paste looked like [23:48] That was mine. [23:48] oh [23:48] again, off tomorrow and most of thu, and fri might go working with clients, but i should be available after that [23:49] Dangit, clean chroot has no issues. >_+ [23:57] :) [23:57] ok, i'm off [23:57] have fun [23:57] This doesn't make sense, I have all the required deps to build it, from the official repos, and no modifications... [23:58] Bye. [23:58] heh.