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| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r32 Delete plasma-framework5.symbols... (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | 03:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r33 Update symbols files. (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | 03:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r34 Fix -dev depends.... (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | 03:13 |
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| soee | good morning | 06:44 |
| apachelogger | !find krb5-config | 07:22 |
| ubottu | Found: krb5-config | 07:23 |
| valorie | that's a helpful message | 07:23 |
| apachelogger | he means the package is krb5-config :P | 07:23 |
| valorie | !find gobbledegook | 07:24 |
| ubottu | Package/file gobbledegook does not exist in saucy | 07:24 |
| valorie | ya don't say | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | ah yes | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | problem no1: saucy | 07:24 |
| valorie | !info krb5-config | 07:24 |
| ubottu | krb5-config (source: kerberos-configs): Configuration files for Kerberos Version 5. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3 (saucy), package size 22 kB, installed size 79 kB | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | problem no2: my cache says krb5-config doesn't contain krb5-config | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | which is a bit funny | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson, jussi: ubottu probably should be bumped to trusty | 07:25 |
| valorie | but ubottu usually is in trusty | 07:25 |
| valorie | !find phonon-backend-vlc | 07:25 |
| ubottu | Found: phonon-backend-vlc, phonon-backend-vlc-dbg | 07:25 |
| valorie | I mean | 07:25 |
| valorie | !info phonon-backend-vlc | 07:25 |
| ubottu | phonon-backend-vlc (source: phonon-backend-vlc): Phonon VLC backend. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2 (saucy), package size 79 kB, installed size 321 kB | 07:25 |
| valorie | oooo | 07:25 |
| tsimpson | @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease | 07:26 |
| ubottu | Global: trusty; #kubuntu-devel: saucy | 07:26 |
| valorie | ubottu is ahead! | 07:26 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about is ahead! | 07:26 |
| tsimpson | for some reason it has a channel specific value here.. | 07:26 |
| apachelogger | perhaps we switched it to saucy before saucy was a thing because no one in here ever cares about stable? | 07:27 |
| apachelogger | yofel: uh, changelog generation from git, someone suggested that previously as well, totally forgot about it | 07:31 |
| apachelogger | certainly would be smartest IMO | 07:31 |
| tsimpson | @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease | 07:32 |
| ubottu | Global: trusty; #kubuntu-devel: trusty | 07:32 |
| tsimpson | !info krb5-config | 07:32 |
| ubottu | krb5-config (source: kerberos-configs): Configuration files for Kerberos Version 5. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3 (trusty), package size 22 kB, installed size 79 kB | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | better | 07:33 |
| apachelogger | it's still lying, though I think that's because of the package ^^ | 07:33 |
| tsimpson | well its source is apt-cache | 07:35 |
| tsimpson | if you want to search for files explicitly, use a path (like !find bin/krb5-config) | 07:37 |
| tsimpson | otherwise it'll try and match to a package name first, then search files | 07:37 |
| apachelogger | ah | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | weird package name then | 07:40 |
| * apachelogger shrugs it off | 07:40 | |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kcmutils] r27 Install qt pri file to -dev package (by Harald Sitter) | 08:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kactivities] r34 * Wildcard qml plugin installation in kactvities.install... (by Harald Sitter) | 08:14 |
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| shadeslayer | good morning | 08:45 |
| apachelogger | yo | 08:46 |
| * apachelogger would like to point out that it makes -32 sense to make multiarch lib packages when one then packs usr/bin/ and etc/ into that package.... | 08:47 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: where have we done that? | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | kservice | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | etc is now in a data, kbuildsycoca5 is still in the lib package though | 08:59 |
| apachelogger | also I get the feeling I am making more things red than green :O | 08:59 |
| * apachelogger been doing non-standard packaging for too long | 08:59 | |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: why is kf5-kio.install instead of kio.install? | 09:04 |
| yofel | kiconthemes has mulitarch issues too | 09:05 |
| yofel | E: libkf5iconthemes5: arch-dependent-file-not-in-arch-specific-directory usr/bin/kiconfinder5 | 09:05 |
| yofel | btw. am I understanding this right that we're putting all the l10n stuff into -data packages? | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | yofel: only when there is no other meaningful package | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | e.g. in kio I am packing them in with kf5-kio as the l10n is for the slaves and not the libraries themself | 09:07 |
| yofel | so you're just putting it into the runtime package instead of making an extra arch:all one? | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | yeah, there's no point in an arch all package there | 09:09 |
| Riddell | yofel: I'm putting l10n into a -data if that's what multiarch needs it to be | 09:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hmm, no reason I guess, | 09:09 |
| yofel | ok | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | for the libs I'd also not have put it in data short of multiarch really | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | more packages just give you more points of failure for the most part | 09:09 |
| yofel | IMO this is still easy enough to keep multiarch-compatible | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | hence the -data packages :P | 09:10 |
| yofel | right | 09:10 |
| kubotu | feed branches-next had 8 updates, showing the latest 5 | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kconfigwidgets] r32 fix locale install glob... (by Harald Sitter) | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kservice] r31 * Add new package libkf5service-data for localization and et... (by Harald Sitter) | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kxmlgui] r29 * Install qt mkspecs pri to libkf5xmlgui-dev... (by Harald Sitter) | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [ktextwidgets] r28 Install qt mkpsecs pri files to libkf5textwidgets-dev (by Harald Sitter) | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kio] r37 * Update kf5-kio.install with new files... (by Harald Sitter) | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | so | 09:23 |
| apachelogger | I broke some dep, I am not sure how though | 09:23 |
| yofel | which one? | 09:24 |
| yofel | too much red :S | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | yofel: dep resolution doesn't work anymore, see kinit e.g. | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | might have been the kservice replaces breaks I guess | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | ah, I know, typo ftw | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | I really think there is too much copy'n'paste shit going on in these packages | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | like severely too much | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | 90% of the things I did on the packages so far was cnp in control | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | libkf5service5-data OR libkf5service-data? | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | soversion or not, that is the question | 09:28 |
| apachelogger | opinions plz ^^^ | 09:28 |
| yofel | I've looked into scripting control for neon, but all I found are really shitty dh_clean override hacks to generate it from control.in or running another target first | 09:29 |
| yofel | apachelogger: not sure what we did for the other packages, but IMO without, it's not like locales are co-installable | 09:30 |
| yofel | altough, then the dep has to be >= too so it doesn't break | 09:30 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I think it would already help a lot if we used substvars for the descriptions and so forth | 09:31 |
| yofel | talk to debian if they want that | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | yofel: the version not breaking is based on the assumption that libfoo1 has compatible assets with libfoo2 | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | which is a bogus assumption IMO | 09:31 |
| yofel | well, bogus true, but I don't think it's worth the conflicts | 09:32 |
| yofel | Riddell: ^ ? | 09:32 |
| Riddell | what what? | 09:32 |
| Riddell | I'm preferring no soversion in the -data so libkf5service-data | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | yofel: except a badly written library can actually have runtime kaputness from incompatible/missing assets | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yeah, but version >= or = source:version | 09:33 |
| yofel | apachelogger: that's then a badly written library, but not a packaging issue | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | sure it is a packaging issue | 09:34 |
| yofel | how | 09:34 |
| Riddell | I've been using = source:version, it might not be backwards compatible for some reason | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | the library is entirely within its right to fail in any manner when assets are corrupted | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | and corrupted assets are not to tell apart from shitty packaging | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that's the argument | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | so | 09:34 |
| yofel | hm | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | IMHO we should do = | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | iff it then turns out one can push a >= | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | but I think assuming the least compatibility by default is the safer way to go | 09:35 |
| yofel | I just don't want to end up in the same situation where upstream does something stupid and we can't properly update (i.e. libkscreen) | 09:35 |
| yofel | but for now keep = then I guess | 09:36 |
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| apachelogger | kf5html5-data | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | it seems we have a bit of a naming inconsistency | 09:53 |
| Riddell | fixy fixy | 09:56 |
| * Mirv haz some Nexus 10 to bring to Berlin for Kubuntu development for someone called Aleix :) | 09:59 | |
| Riddell | Mirv: from jussi? | 09:59 |
| Riddell | what's happening in Berlin? | 09:59 |
| Riddell | Aleix Pol? | 09:59 |
| Mirv | Riddell: yeah, he just ran through my lunch place giving it to me | 09:59 |
| Mirv | Riddell: Qt Summit | 09:59 |
| Riddell | ah cool | 09:59 |
| Mirv | and Mr. Pol, yes | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | Mirv: yeah, that would apol on IRC :) | 10:00 |
| shadeslayer | *would be | 10:00 |
| Mirv | ok, I'll ping him at some point before next week | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | #lunchinvasion | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | it's only 12 :O | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | I didn't get invaded either | 10:05 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kanagram] r120 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | 10:07 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kapman] r73 * Merge with Debian, no remaining changes... (by Rohan Garg) | 10:07 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kapman] r74 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | ktexteditor-data | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | data naming needs serious revising | 10:11 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kinit] r24 * Install localization to kinit package... (by Harald Sitter) | 10:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kpty] r28 -data is arch all (by Jonathan Riddell) | 10:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kservice] r32 fix data package name... (by Harald Sitter) | 10:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [khtml] r29 * Update libkf5khtml5-data.install to contain localization... (by Harald Sitter) | 10:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kross] r25 Update kross.install to contain localization (by Harald Sitter) | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please remind Scarlett to copy -data from another package and adjust description and name only | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | missing multi-arch fields | 10:18 |
| * apachelogger wonders why khtml's is multiarch same | 10:20 | |
| apachelogger | really | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | we need a way to get rid of copynpasting that stuff | 10:20 |
| yofel | what's the point for multiarch for arch:all packages? | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | what's the point of multiarch I say | 10:25 |
| apachelogger | yofel: data must be marked foreign | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | that's completely independent of the actual binary architecture support | 10:26 |
| yofel | I still don't get why it has to be foreign if there's just one deb for all architectures | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages | 10:27 |
| yofel | o.O | 10:28 |
| yofel | well, ok | 10:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: multi-arch should be forgeign on -data | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | that's what I said | 10:29 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:33 |
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| apachelogger | sections appear a bit wrong all over the place | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | Package: libkf5iconthemes5 | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | Section: libdevel | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | don't think that should be libdevel | 11:01 |
| Riddell | you're right, it should not | 11:04 |
| Riddell | although I long for the day when Section is removed from Debian policy, it's entirely pointless | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's an optional field | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | even for source apparently | 11:05 |
| Riddell | gosh | 11:06 |
| apachelogger | pft | 11:06 |
| apachelogger | policy doesn't even say what happens if you don't define it ^^ | 11:06 |
| Riddell | Section: whocares ? | 11:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: just set libs on source and don't care otherwise | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | current packaging sets section incorrectly for too many packages | 11:07 |
| Riddell | then lintian moans about not setting libdevel or debug | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | just realized that data also has libdevel | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: override :P | 11:07 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kapptemplate] r49 * Merge with debian, remaining changes... (by Rohan Garg) | 11:07 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kapptemplate] r50 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | 11:07 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [qtwebkit-opensource-src] r73 Update arm64 and ppc64el symbols (by Timo Jyrinki) | 11:07 |
| Riddell | all copy and paste errors I guess | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | and I keep saying that we need to do away with the copy and paste somehow :P | 11:09 |
| kubotu | feed branches-next had 6 updates, showing the latest 5 | 11:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [khtml] r30 Change libkf5khtml5-data to multi-arch:foreign (by Harald Sitter) | 11:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [knotifyconfig] r25 * Fix data package name in control... (by Harald Sitter) | 11:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdelibs4support] r31 https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/... (by Jonathan Riddell) | 11:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework] r31 [ José Manuel Santamaría Lema ]... (by Jonathan Riddell) | 11:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r27 * Add libkf5iconthemes-data and add localization to it... (by Harald Sitter) | 11:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I wouldn't bother with breaks/replaces on packages now, it's just in a PPA that is experimental | 11:20 |
| apachelogger | public is public | 11:21 |
| sgclark | good morning | 11:21 |
| Riddell | hola sgclark | 11:22 |
| sgclark | so I have noticed the 4.100 packages are breaking the 4.96 workspace stuff | 11:22 |
| apachelogger | yep, known defect | 11:23 |
| Riddell | they're not binary compatible | 11:23 |
| Riddell | so I'm leaving workspace until 4.100 kf5 is done | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | also not source compatible actually because I thin headers were moved around | 11:24 |
| Riddell | likely yes | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | :O | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | what's with the splitting in frameworkintegration? | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | kf5-infopage.install | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | kf5-integrationplugin.install | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | kf5-platformtheme.install | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | libkf5style5.install | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | libkf5style-dev.install | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | splits gone wild | 11:26 |
| Riddell | how would you do it? | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | first 3 are one package frameworkintegration | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | the first is basically data assets and the other two are plugins | 11:28 |
| Riddell | okay | 11:29 |
| Riddell | I'm off to lunch, I expect this all to be done by the time I get back :) | 11:29 |
| apachelogger | dbg is also somehow a complete mess | 11:36 |
| apachelogger | sometimes it uses sourcename, sometimes libnameso and sometimes libname | 11:36 |
| yofel | packaging should be... colorful \o/ | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you broke kservice again | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | Recommends: libkf5service-bin (= ${source:Version}) | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | I am actually not sure it is legit for a multiarch same package to recommend a non-multiarched package | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | particularly with arch:any | 11:49 |
| * apachelogger wonders what E: libkf5service5: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN12KConfigGroup10writeEntryIiEEvPKcRKT_6QFlagsIN11KConfigBase15WriteConfigFlagEE@Base and 3 others is about | 11:52 | |
| apachelogger | oh, I didn't commit that change | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | !find NetworkManager.pc | 11:58 |
| ubottu | File NetworkManager.pc found in network-manager-dev | 11:58 |
| kubotu | ::branches:: [kopete] r44 Move debian/* to top level dir (by Pali) | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | filed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335786 for kdelibs4support being rubbish and orange on status page | 12:08 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 335786 in general "FindNetworkManager not found" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | the plasma packaging could be a bit bogus I think | 12:10 |
| sgclark | bogus? | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r61 Add libkf5dnssd-data and add localization to it (by Harald Sitter) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdeclarative] r32 * Add -data package... (by Jonathan Riddell) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r62 Remove incorrect and pointless libdevel section from libkf5d... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r63 Make libkf5dnssd5 depend on it (by Harald Sitter) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r28 Make libkf5iconthemes5 depend on it (by Harald Sitter) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r29 add data file... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:13 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [knotifyconfig] r26 * Fix data install file to use correct path... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kservice] r33 Add -bin package... (by Jonathan Riddell) | 12:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [frameworkintegration] r30 * Compound packaging:... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r30 fix locale install path... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kservice] r34 * Update libkf5service5.symbols... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:14 |
| kubotu | ::branches-next:: [kdelibs4support] r32 * Add libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin.lintian-overrides... (by Harald Sitter) | 12:14 |
| yofel | :O | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: can you make that notices? | 12:14 |
| yofel | flood++ | 12:14 |
| yofel | :D | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: config set rss.announce_method notice | 12:14 |
| kubotu | aight | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | should be better | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | sgclark: something is very wrong with the source | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | can't put my finger on it | 12:18 |
| sgclark | ahh gotcha | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | though I guess the fact that half the stuff is multiarch and the other half is not does contribute to the feeling | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | :S | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure splitting libKF5PlasmaQuick from the qml assets is much use either | 12:20 |
| apachelogger | well, the warning should be gone in ppa4 anyway | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I guess we'll want a new font package to make frameworkintegration cmake shut up about it not finding the font? | 12:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: a new one? what's wrong with the existing one? | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | too old I guess | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | oh no | 12:46 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | apparently we are simply not bdeping it | 12:46 |
| * apachelogger rolls eyse and fixes neon | 12:46 | |
| Riddell | it's marked as runtime anyway so fine to ignore | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yeah, but it makes status orange | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | so best just install it I'd say | 12:47 |
| Riddell | not if it's marked as ignore in cmake-override | 12:47 |
| * Riddell makes it so | 12:47 | |
| apachelogger | ignores are evil | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: not sure that will work for CMake Warning induced warning states btw | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | from what I have seen in the code the ignores only work on actual feature lists at the bottom | 12:47 |
| Riddell | mm maybe, let's see | 12:49 |
| Riddell | upstreams who depend on something which is higher up in the stack are evil | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | wasn't there a notion to not do runtime dep checks through cmake anyway? | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: declarative still wip? | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | because it's still red :P | 12:51 |
| Riddell | "kdeclarative jriddell ppa2 up" says pad, if it's red then needs to go back to WIP, let me do so, probably my mess up | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | This package contains kbuildsycoca5. | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please use generic descriptions | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | e.g. This Package contains runtime binaries. | 12:54 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I disagree if there's only 1 binary, makes sense to make it search-able by that binary name | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: sure, then the package grows another binary and no one updates the description | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | very pointless | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | what's the point of those btw? | 12:57 |
| Riddell | no idea | 12:58 |
| sgclark | no idea either, don't remember them being there before | 12:58 |
| Riddell | bzr blame is your friend :) | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | 1 jriddel | Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | I'll argue that one of you came up with them :P | 13:00 |
| Riddell | I'm innocent I say! | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | the log does not lie :P | 13:04 |
| sgclark | lol | 13:06 |
| Riddell | santa_: what did you think needed done to kdelibs4support for networkmanager? | 13:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's bugged see backlog | 13:16 |
| santa_ | Riddell: going to create a a merge request soon, but I need to leave home for a little while first | 13:16 |
| santa_ | see you soon | 13:16 |
| Riddell | frameworks all done! other than the networkmanager stuff in kdelibs4support | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | go merge KDE4 stuff! | 13:33 |
| Riddell | sorry, plasma release needs some love next | 13:34 |
| Riddell | plasma release just sounds so wrong | 13:34 |
| Riddell | nim makes a face whenever I say it | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | xD | 13:34 |
| santa_ | I'm back, will prepare my partial work of kdelibs4support for merging | 14:15 |
| Riddell | ah, I've a problem with my cunning plan | 14:16 |
| Riddell | we're all working on trusty, but plasma needs qt 5.3, and there's only packages of that for utopic | 14:16 |
| shadeslayer | quite neat that all news sites are showcasing Project Neon 5 ISO's :3 | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer | Qt 5.3 will be landing soonish | 14:25 |
| santa_ | <shadeslayer> Qt 5.3 will be landing soonish | 14:26 |
| santa_ | where? neon? ubuntu? debian sid? | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | youboontoo | 14:26 |
| * shadeslayer borrows a squid from apachelogger and throws it at kate | 14:27 | |
| yofel | sweet, canonical stuff or based on lisandro's packages? | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-June/038350.html | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | makes me think Canonical stuff | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: ^^ | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | santa_: Neon already has Qt5.3 | 14:28 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: got URLs for sites? | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2014/05/15/screenshots-of-kde-plasma-next-beta-1/ | 14:28 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: deserved a kubuntu wire blog I'd say | 14:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where did neon get qt 5.3? and is it based on trusty? | 14:30 |
| Riddell | oh from its own packages I presume | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | git stable | 14:30 |
| Riddell | right | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | so much shit to merge | 14:30 |
| * shadeslayer could totally do with some Dr. Who right now | 14:33 | |
| santa_ | kdelibs4suport done | 14:34 |
| santa_ | in the notes.k.o stuff I changed the following: | 14:37 |
| santa_ | replaced this http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List | 14:37 |
| santa_ | with this http://api.kde.org/frameworks-api/frameworks5-apidocs/ | 14:37 |
| santa_ | also I have added a link to my b-d graph | 14:38 |
| santa_ | I hope you guys are ok with this | 14:38 |
| Riddell | groovy | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: Riddell did someone upload 4.13.1 to trusty? | 14:40 |
| yofel | not me | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | because 4.13.2 is going to be out soon | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | should I do that | 14:40 |
| yofel | yeah, should be done today | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | now that I have super powers | 14:40 |
| yofel | go ahead | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | ok, let me run the script | 14:40 |
| yofel | I think you'll have to merge kdelibs | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: are you sure about that? | 14:44 |
| shadeslayer | I see the meinproc fix in the PPA too | 14:44 |
| yofel | oh, nevermind then | 14:44 |
| santa_ | Riddell, apachelogger & anyone else interested: if you have some time, there is something I would like to discuss with you before doing a mass-merge-proposals | 14:48 |
| Riddell | santa_: looking at kdelibs4support, is that patch going upstream? | 14:49 |
| santa_ | I will send it to reviewboard, yes | 14:49 |
| Riddell | lovely | 14:49 |
| santa_ | I think it's broken upstream | 14:49 |
| Riddell | seems strange that everything else works in cmake but it does seem to sort the issue | 14:50 |
| Riddell | santa_: what's your query on merge proposals? | 14:50 |
| santa_ | see this couple of commits by apachelogger | 14:51 |
| santa_ | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kiconthemes/revision/31 | 14:51 |
| santa_ | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kiconthemes/revision/32 | 14:51 |
| santa_ | they reminded me a couple of things which I would like to change massively in the kf5 packages | 14:51 |
| Riddell | do go on.. | 14:52 |
| santa_ | 1. in library packages, do not ship runtime or data files, it shouldn't contain anything but the library | 14:52 |
| santa_ | it's not the first time I see things in library packages which in my opinion shouldn't be there | 14:53 |
| Riddell | that's what's been done generally, if you see packages which have stuff in libraries that will interfere with multi-arch then do separate them | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: do we have a bug number for 4.13.1 | 14:54 |
| yofel | yes we do, see changelog | 14:54 |
| santa_ | it doesn't really matter if it interferes with multiarch or not, in general it's a good idea to not ship anything but the library in the lib packages | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | cool | 14:55 |
| santa_ | I could elaborate more later if you want, but let me explain the 2nd mass merge | 14:55 |
| santa_ | libkf5iconthemes5 recommends libkf5iconthemes-bin | 14:56 |
| santa_ | ↑ about this I think it could be done better | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | uploading | 14:57 |
| santa_ | the thing is libfoo5 usually can't depend on libfoo-bin because libfoo-bin it's also linked against libfoo5, therefore we would have a circular dependency problem | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | circular deps only affect depends afaik | 14:58 |
| santa_ | so one better way would be adding a dependency on libfoo-bin in libfoo5.symbols | 14:58 |
| santa_ | like in the debian packages with kde-runtime and libkdecore5 | 14:59 |
| yofel | if lintian doesn't complain about a circular dep then it should be fine though | 14:59 |
| santa_ | if you inspect the symbols files of libkdecore5 you will see this http://paste.kde.org/pyajgldnr | 15:00 |
| santa_ | yofel: iirc it does, and, in general it's a bug | 15:00 |
| Riddell | what's the problem with the recommends? | 15:00 |
| yofel | santa_: I know that it's there, and we used it for baloo which bit us later | 15:00 |
| Riddell | there might be a legit reason why you wanted to have something that used libfoo installed but not libfoo-bin, as I found out with baloo | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: do we usually mark the ubuntu-sru bug as affecting all the stuff one uploads? | 15:01 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: no, just kde4libs | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 15:01 |
| yofel | I actually believe you would kill a few launchpad queries if you did that... | 15:02 |
| santa_ | Riddell: the problem I see with recommends is that someone might have it disabled by default (think that you are trying to get these packages included in debian sid at some point) | 15:02 |
| santa_ | about this | 15:03 |
| Riddell | if you disable recommends then you should be prepared for things not working with full features | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: oh btw no pushing to branches right :3 | 15:07 |
| santa_ | Riddell: the thing is: are you sure not having the -bin counterpart won't produce crashes or weird behaviours? | 15:07 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I should have reverted all of that | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: right, I called the script with --nopush, but I wanted to confirm since it's the first time I'm SRU'ing KDE SC | 15:08 |
| yofel | ah yeah, --nopush has no effect with --sru | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | awesoem | 15:08 |
| Riddell | santa_: crashes would be a bug, weird behaviours maybe, but I don't think added it to .symbols files is any better than recommends | 15:09 |
| * shadeslayer is happy, no silly rejection emails | 15:09 | |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I replied to their mail. | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | yep, saw it | 15:10 |
| santa_ | Riddell: I do, that's what I would have done if I were still working for debian, and that's what it's done in the current kde4 packaging with libkdecore5 and kde-runtime. so I would suggest you to talk about this with current debian's people. but if you want an unbiased judgement about the matter I strongly recommend you to not mention my name at all | 15:14 |
| santa_ | i.e. see what happened when you asked about allLibraries | 15:15 |
| Riddell | santa_: yeah I'll discuss it, thanks | 15:16 |
| santa_ | Riddell: ok, let me know about the outcome, if we go for this change, I'm ready to do it. for now I will stick to the 1st massive change (which is ok, isn't it?) and I will use Recommends instead of the hard dependency as apachelogger did in his commit | 15:19 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: did you decide not to rename kf5-kio? | 15:20 |
| santa_ | oh, another less important thing | 15:20 |
| Riddell | santa_: yes I think your first point is all good | 15:20 |
| santa_ | what about making a couple of metapackages: kde-frameworks-dev and kde-frameworks-dbg? | 15:21 |
| santa_ | so all the headers and dbg stuff could be installed with just one package | 15:21 |
| shadeslayer | should probably go into meta-kde then | 15:21 |
| yofel | apachelogger: btw. could you possibly add some flood protection to the bot that limits the output to like 10-15 messages? If kubuntu-initial-upload gets run on bzr it'll be busy for a while... | 15:21 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: IIRC it does have flood protection | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | <kubotu> feed branches-next had 6 updates, showing the latest 5 | 15:22 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: it did, but he either removed or raised the limit quite a bit | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | true | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | I think it's pointless to show these messages tbh :P | 15:22 |
| santa_ | shadeslayer: perhaps I would start them as a separate source package to make the merges of meta-kde easier | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | santa_: why? we already have additional things in meta-kde | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | actually, it probably makes more sense to have tier based meta packages | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | kde-frameworks-tier1-dev | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | or something like that | 15:23 |
| santa_ | shadeslayer: I dunno, less delta suggests me it would be easier, but it's your call since you are more familiar with ubuntu's merges | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | santa_: well, delta can be lowered by sending changes back to debian | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | pretty sure they'd be interested in such meta packages too | 15:24 |
| santa_ | shadeslayer: when you send the changes back to debian, remember that you don't know me XD | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | seeing how we're planning on moving to debian's infra soonish, I can't think of a issue | 15:27 |
| ScottK | Metapackages shouldn't pull in libs. | 15:46 |
| ScottK | They should be pulled in as needed by dependencies. | 15:46 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: by that definition kde-developer-sdk is busted | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | depends on kdelibs5-dev | 15:49 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: kdelibs5-dev isn't a lib. | 15:50 |
| ScottK | A developer metapackage that depends on -dev's is fine. | 15:50 |
| ScottK | That'll pull in the needed libs. | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer | aha, ok, I thought that's what santa_ was suggesting | 15:50 |
| santa_ | that's what I was suggesting | 15:50 |
| ScottK | Possible I'm misreading. I'm multi-tasking. | 15:51 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 15:51 |
| santa_ | a -dev metapapackage which would install all frameworks -dev packages | 15:51 |
| santa_ | we could also do -tier1-dev and so on | 15:51 |
| santa_ | and a -dbg to install all the -dbg's | 15:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how do I make tarme use a git branch? | 16:08 |
| Riddell | it complains at this ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version $VERSION --gitbranch=frameworks kfilemetadata | 16:08 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: There's a ktp-contact-list SRU for trusty still waiting for verification. | 16:20 |
| shadeslayer | /o\ | 16:20 |
| ScottK | Please fix that. | 16:20 |
| shadeslayer | put on my todo for tomorrow | 16:21 |
| ScottK | I guess any lingering feeling bad I might have about not using LP is resolved. Canonical is moving away from it too: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2014/06/04/juju-is-now-on-github/ | 16:25 |
| Riddell | gosh | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | fun seeing how LP got inline diff comments recently | 16:27 |
| Riddell | I doubt that's the sole reason for its lack of popularity outside ubuntu | 16:27 |
| ScottK | I did recently submit a change to a project on github. The ability to edit the file, make a commit in my own branch, and generate a pull request all in my web browser was pretty awesome. | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | git lab is it's open source alternative | 16:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'd like to make a proposition to change the default power setings | 17:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | can I ? | 17:06 |
| ScottK | You can. | 17:08 |
| ovidiu-florin | unfourtanetly I do't have a kubuntu box in front of me right now, so I'll do my best | 17:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | It's super annoying on a fresh install when the monitor shuts down when you're watching a movie | 17:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | or reading something (really slow) | 17:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can't remember if this is the screen locker or powe settings | 17:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | we should disable that (especially if it's a desktop, not a laptop) | 17:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | many new kubuntu users have reported this to me | 17:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | any feedback? | 17:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | should I send this to the mail list? | 17:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | along with some ideeas on how to fix this? | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: report upstream | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | because this is not something kubuntu specific | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | also, I'm out, cya tomorrow | 17:23 |
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| soee | plasma next is in experimetnal ? but not usable yet ? | 17:55 |
| Riddell | soee: now in the new kubuntu-ppa/next PPA | 19:39 |
| soee | Riddell: this one is for plasma-next related stuff ? | 19:42 |
| soee | or basically all the KF5, pasma etc? | 19:42 |
| soee | also is it ready to install on trusty and does it replace current one ? | 19:43 |
| soee | ping :) someone can tell something about plasma-next ? | 21:22 |
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| Riddell | soee: it's not ready to install no | 21:30 |
| Riddell | and it does replace plasma 1 | 21:30 |
| soee | oh ok :) when can we expect installable version ? | 21:32 |
| Riddell | setting times is a fools errand, it'll be done when it's done | 21:50 |
| Riddell | I hope for next week | 21:50 |
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| soee | thank you | 22:43 |
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