| cmaloney | Good morning | 12:01 |
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| brousch_ | tired | 12:01 |
| cmaloney | http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/109276/kanban-automotive-revolution <- rick_h_ | 12:14 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/g2VakR - Kanban: Automotive Revolution | Board Game | BoardGameGeek | 12:14 |
| mrgoodcat | morning | 12:51 |
| cmaloney | Reminder: CHC tonight at 8pm. | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 13:24 |
| mrgoodcat | anybody remember when waf said he was leaving | 13:24 |
| mrgoodcat | ? | 13:24 |
| rick_h_ | later this month I believe | 13:25 |
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| cmaloney | Yeah, not sure when he's heading out. | 13:28 |
| mrgoodcat | school budgets are ridiculous | 14:36 |
| brousch_ | Correct. Schools should have an unlimited amount of money to spend | 14:36 |
| mrgoodcat | i meant more along the lines of being opaque | 14:37 |
| mrgoodcat | i can't tell at all how much my district spends on technology | 14:37 |
| mrgoodcat | or anything for that matter | 14:37 |
| brousch_ | Trust them to spend it wisely and appropriately | 14:38 |
| mrgoodcat | all i can find is that my district spent 82 million last year on ~5400 students | 14:38 |
| mrgoodcat | about 15k per student | 14:38 |
| cmaloney | Trust them to try to wring every dime out of that budget | 14:38 |
| brousch_ | Seems reasonable. That's like 20 ipads each | 14:39 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:40 |
| mrgoodcat | thats total budget. not IT | 14:40 |
| cmaloney | That's pathetic. | 14:41 |
| brousch_ | 20 ipads can replace the teachers. You can even build a little fort from them | 14:41 |
| mrgoodcat | based on KHPS technology budget, which is 600k non-salary (i know the tech director) for 3313 students. if the ratios hold the same that's 180 per student in their district. 280 per student in mine | 14:42 |
| mrgoodcat | their total budget was 30.6 million last year | 14:42 |
| mrgoodcat | per student per year that is | 14:42 |
| cmaloney | Yep, teachers getting fat on that dosh. | 14:42 |
| cmaloney | (that's sarcasm) | 14:42 |
| mrgoodcat | teachers get paid a lot in my district | 14:42 |
| cmaloney | That's good. Keep it up. They need it. | 14:43 |
| cmaloney | Also: define "a lot" | 14:43 |
| mrgoodcat | we had a couple bmws, a 5.0L mustang fastback, a bunch of cadillacs, and some euro sportscars | 14:43 |
| mrgoodcat | teachers driving them | 14:43 |
| _stink_ | maybe they just spent irresponsibly. | 14:43 |
| cmaloney | Are you sure that was "teachers" and not "administrators"? | 14:43 |
| mrgoodcat | all of them? | 14:44 |
| mrgoodcat | for sure teachers | 14:44 |
| cmaloney | Maybe they wanted somewhere nice to live. | 14:44 |
| _stink_ | haha | 14:44 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:44 |
| brousch_ | Maybe they have rich spouces | 14:45 |
| mrgoodcat | seems unlikely they all had rich spouses | 14:45 |
| brousch_ | just those 5 | 14:45 |
| mrgoodcat | 5? | 14:46 |
| mrgoodcat | our administrators drove even nicer cars | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | I love that teachers are "paid well" if they drive a car that isn't a broken down Yugo | 14:46 |
| jrwren | .np | 14:46 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: requires your username | 14:46 |
| mrgoodcat | .np dyladan | 14:46 |
| bookiebot | dyladan's last track - Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) by Adventure Club on Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) [27 May 2014, 12:33] | 14:46 |
| jrwren | 15k per student?!?! where are you mrgoodcat ? that is like 2X here. | 14:47 |
| jrwren | .np evarlast | 14:47 |
| bookiebot | evarlast's current track - Capital Punishment (original) by :Wumpscut: | 14:47 |
| jrwren | playing at work, with no headphones :p | 14:47 |
| mrgoodcat | bloomfield hills | 14:47 |
| _stink_ | sigh. | 14:47 |
| cmaloney | As opposed to industry where if you drive a Caddy or BMW you're "successful" | 14:47 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I think they had to have nicer cars in Bloomfield HIlls | 14:47 |
| mrgoodcat | fine. would you be happier if i said our teachers were successful? | 14:47 |
| cmaloney | otherwise they'd get towed as being "noxious vehicles" | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:48 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: They taught you, so I'd concur. ;) | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | :) | 14:48 |
| jrwren | i like my 12yr old chevy with 150k miles. I likely make more than those teachers :p | 14:48 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 14:49 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Closed View by In my shiver on Delicate Poison [4 Jun 2014, 03:31] | 14:49 |
| mrgoodcat | ok so our budget says 44 million for teacher salaries. 5400 students. 14.29 students per teacher. | 14:51 |
| mrgoodcat | i worked it out to 116.5k average | 14:51 |
| mrgoodcat | which is a reasonable salary | 14:51 |
| mrgoodcat | some are obviously higher, some lower | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Be careful with those numbers | 14:52 |
| mrgoodcat | i know | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | not all of that goes to teachers. | 14:52 |
| mrgoodcat | budget reports usck | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | I'd be surprised if most of those teachers made more than $50K | 14:52 |
| jrwren | much of it goes to employer paid taxes, health care, and pension. | 14:54 |
| mrgoodcat | it would appear you are correct http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/michigan/teacher-salary-in-bloomfield-hills-school-district/ | 14:54 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/CTyt85 - Bloomfield Hills School District Average Teacher Salary & How to Become a Teacher | 14:54 |
| mrgoodcat | most of that "average salary" must be administrators | 14:55 |
| jrwren | that said teacher, not administrator | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | plus those scales are always stacked heavily in favor of the old codgers who stick around forever. | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | and bully the newcomers into voting for contracts that only skew the scale more. | 14:55 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: i misread it. 44 million was total salary apparently. not just teachers | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | yep | 14:56 |
| jrwren | i see | 14:56 |
| mrgoodcat | damn glad i'm not gonna be a teacher | 14:56 |
| _stink_ | new teachers get shit for pay. it's terrible. | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | I would hesitate to recommaend anyone become a teacher at this point. | 14:56 |
| _stink_ | < $40k is very commong. | 14:56 |
| _stink_ | -g | 14:56 |
| mrgoodcat | average in the district is 54k | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | Unless you a) really enjoyed teaching b) enjoyed having plutocrats tell you how to run your classroom, and c) were a masochist. | 14:57 |
| jrwren | isn't 33k national median pay? | 14:57 |
| cmaloney | not sure. | 14:58 |
| _stink_ | wikipedia says $44.4k in 2004. | 14:58 |
| mrgoodcat | so teachers in my district are about median it seems | 14:58 |
| mrgoodcat | assuming growth rates held | 14:58 |
| mrgoodcat | my district is better off than most though | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | Oh, and d) value having people tell you you're not doing enough when you're pulling 16 hour days and weekends. | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | e) can smile when people tell you you have your summers off even though it's forced unemployment with no way to file for unemployment. | 14:59 |
| jrwren | 44k for teacher median. | 15:00 |
| jrwren | i meant overall US median pay | 15:00 |
| _stink_ | jrwren: that's the overall number according to the Arbiter of All Truths, wikipedia. | 15:00 |
| mrgoodcat | kalimazoo's peregrine falcons gave birth :) | 15:00 |
| mrgoodcat | first time ever in kzoo | 15:00 |
| mrgoodcat | w00t | 15:00 |
| jrwren | huh, seems high. awesome. | 15:01 |
| jrwren | yay falcons! | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | they used to leave pidgeon corpses all over the city | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | like torn to pieces | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | falcons are badass | 15:01 |
| jrwren | thank them. the corpses decay faster without the added meat. | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | we used to have only two though. now there are more | 15:02 |
| mrgoodcat | it's about to be pidgeonmageddon in kzoo | 15:02 |
| mrgoodcat | at least 4 it seems | 15:03 |
| mrgoodcat | nobody knows how many they had yet | 15:03 |
| mrgoodcat | 4 babies that is | 15:03 |
| mrgoodcat | someone should make a gtk fork that incorporates george takei phrases as function names | 15:16 |
| mrgoodcat | oh_my would be error logging | 15:16 |
| mrgoodcat | on_screen_mr_sulu for printing to screen | 15:16 |
| cmaloney | Feel free to take that up | 15:22 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 15:22 |
| cmaloney | How's the afternoon so far? | 16:22 |
| greg-g | still morning | 16:22 |
| greg-g | still getting going | 16:23 |
| greg-g | my day: booked solid between 10:30am and 3pm (solid, like, no lunch) then another 3:30-4. | 16:23 |
| cmaloney | Ugh | 16:30 |
| greg-g | rick_h_ and I are similar beasts now | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: :) | 16:31 |
| greg-g | I'd share a screenshot of my calendar if it didn't have interviewee names in it | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: :) yea, there are some days I want to screenshot and post it but can't | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | "You guys won't believe it unless you actually see it...oh well" | 17:01 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:01 |
| greg-g | and this is after I canceled two overlapping meetings :) | 17:01 |
| waf | mrgoodcat: i'm leaving on the 16th | 17:45 |
| waf | so two more CHCs in my immediate future | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 17:49 |
| * rick_h_ goes and grabs the bookie t-shirts. one is for waf I believe | 17:50 | |
| brousch_ | rick_h_: Are they signed and numbered? | 17:52 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 18:20 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Drowning With Silence by Soilwork on The Living Infinite | 18:20 |
| cmaloney | waf: Coolness | 18:20 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch_: for future generations | 18:50 |
| mrgoodcat | can anybody recommend a good python plotting library? | 19:11 |
| mrgoodcat | want to make a line graph | 19:11 |
| rick_h_ | matplot is the standard | 19:11 |
| rick_h_ | or do it client side in d3 :P | 19:11 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 20:03 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Bathyalpelagic III: Disequillibrated by The Ocean on Pelagial [4 Jun 2014, 19:07] | 20:03 |
| cmaloney | hurm | 20:03 |
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