[12:01] Good morning [12:01] tired [12:14] http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/109276/kanban-automotive-revolution <- rick_h_ [12:14] http://goo.gl/g2VakR - Kanban: Automotive Revolution | Board Game | BoardGameGeek [12:51] morning [13:20] Reminder: CHC tonight at 8pm. [13:24] morning [13:24] anybody remember when waf said he was leaving [13:24] ? [13:25] later this month I believe === sharp is now known as Guest40390 [13:28] Yeah, not sure when he's heading out. [14:36] school budgets are ridiculous [14:36] Correct. Schools should have an unlimited amount of money to spend [14:37] i meant more along the lines of being opaque [14:37] i can't tell at all how much my district spends on technology [14:37] or anything for that matter [14:38] Trust them to spend it wisely and appropriately [14:38] all i can find is that my district spent 82 million last year on ~5400 students [14:38] about 15k per student [14:38] Trust them to try to wring every dime out of that budget [14:39] Seems reasonable. That's like 20 ipads each [14:40] lol [14:40] thats total budget. not IT [14:41] That's pathetic. [14:41] 20 ipads can replace the teachers. You can even build a little fort from them [14:42] based on KHPS technology budget, which is 600k non-salary (i know the tech director) for 3313 students. if the ratios hold the same that's 180 per student in their district. 280 per student in mine [14:42] their total budget was 30.6 million last year [14:42] per student per year that is [14:42] Yep, teachers getting fat on that dosh. [14:42] (that's sarcasm) [14:42] teachers get paid a lot in my district [14:43] That's good. Keep it up. They need it. [14:43] Also: define "a lot" [14:43] we had a couple bmws, a 5.0L mustang fastback, a bunch of cadillacs, and some euro sportscars [14:43] teachers driving them [14:43] <_stink_> maybe they just spent irresponsibly. [14:43] Are you sure that was "teachers" and not "administrators"? [14:44] all of them? [14:44] for sure teachers [14:44] Maybe they wanted somewhere nice to live. [14:44] <_stink_> haha [14:44] lol [14:45] Maybe they have rich spouces [14:45] seems unlikely they all had rich spouses [14:45] just those 5 [14:46] 5? [14:46] our administrators drove even nicer cars [14:46] I love that teachers are "paid well" if they drive a car that isn't a broken down Yugo [14:46] .np [14:46] jrwren: requires your username [14:46] .np dyladan [14:46] dyladan's last track - Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) by Adventure Club on Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) [27 May 2014, 12:33] [14:47] 15k per student?!?! where are you mrgoodcat ? that is like 2X here. [14:47] .np evarlast [14:47] evarlast's current track - Capital Punishment (original) by :Wumpscut: [14:47] playing at work, with no headphones :p [14:47] bloomfield hills [14:47] <_stink_> sigh. [14:47] As opposed to industry where if you drive a Caddy or BMW you're "successful" [14:47] mrgoodcat: I think they had to have nicer cars in Bloomfield HIlls [14:47] fine. would you be happier if i said our teachers were successful? [14:48] otherwise they'd get towed as being "noxious vehicles" [14:48] lol [14:48] mrgoodcat: They taught you, so I'd concur. ;) [14:48] :) [14:48] i like my 12yr old chevy with 150k miles. I likely make more than those teachers :p [14:49] .np squeekyhoho [14:49] squeekyhoho's last track - Closed View by In my shiver on Delicate Poison [4 Jun 2014, 03:31] [14:51] ok so our budget says 44 million for teacher salaries. 5400 students. 14.29 students per teacher. [14:51] i worked it out to 116.5k average [14:51] which is a reasonable salary [14:52] some are obviously higher, some lower [14:52] mrgoodcat: Be careful with those numbers [14:52] i know [14:52] not all of that goes to teachers. [14:52] budget reports usck [14:52] I'd be surprised if most of those teachers made more than $50K [14:54] much of it goes to employer paid taxes, health care, and pension. [14:54] it would appear you are correct http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/michigan/teacher-salary-in-bloomfield-hills-school-district/ [14:54] http://goo.gl/CTyt85 - Bloomfield Hills School District Average Teacher Salary & How to Become a Teacher [14:55] most of that "average salary" must be administrators [14:55] that said teacher, not administrator [14:55] <_stink_> plus those scales are always stacked heavily in favor of the old codgers who stick around forever. [14:55] <_stink_> and bully the newcomers into voting for contracts that only skew the scale more. [14:56] jrwren: i misread it. 44 million was total salary apparently. not just teachers [14:56] yep [14:56] i see [14:56] damn glad i'm not gonna be a teacher [14:56] <_stink_> new teachers get shit for pay. it's terrible. [14:56] I would hesitate to recommaend anyone become a teacher at this point. [14:56] <_stink_> < $40k is very commong. [14:56] <_stink_> -g [14:56] average in the district is 54k [14:57] Unless you a) really enjoyed teaching b) enjoyed having plutocrats tell you how to run your classroom, and c) were a masochist. [14:57] isn't 33k national median pay? [14:58] not sure. [14:58] <_stink_> wikipedia says $44.4k in 2004. [14:58] so teachers in my district are about median it seems [14:58] assuming growth rates held [14:58] my district is better off than most though [14:58] Oh, and d) value having people tell you you're not doing enough when you're pulling 16 hour days and weekends. [14:59] e) can smile when people tell you you have your summers off even though it's forced unemployment with no way to file for unemployment. [15:00] 44k for teacher median. [15:00] i meant overall US median pay [15:00] <_stink_> jrwren: that's the overall number according to the Arbiter of All Truths, wikipedia. [15:00] kalimazoo's peregrine falcons gave birth :) [15:00] first time ever in kzoo [15:00] w00t [15:01] huh, seems high. awesome. [15:01] yay falcons! [15:01] they used to leave pidgeon corpses all over the city [15:01] like torn to pieces [15:01] falcons are badass [15:01] thank them. the corpses decay faster without the added meat. [15:02] we used to have only two though. now there are more [15:02] it's about to be pidgeonmageddon in kzoo [15:03] at least 4 it seems [15:03] nobody knows how many they had yet [15:03] 4 babies that is [15:16] someone should make a gtk fork that incorporates george takei phrases as function names [15:16] oh_my would be error logging [15:16] on_screen_mr_sulu for printing to screen [15:22] Feel free to take that up [15:22] lol [16:22] How's the afternoon so far? [16:22] still morning [16:23] still getting going [16:23] my day: booked solid between 10:30am and 3pm (solid, like, no lunch) then another 3:30-4. [16:30] Ugh [16:31] rick_h_ and I are similar beasts now [16:31] greg-g: :) [16:32] I'd share a screenshot of my calendar if it didn't have interviewee names in it [17:01] greg-g: :) yea, there are some days I want to screenshot and post it but can't [17:01] "You guys won't believe it unless you actually see it...oh well" [17:01] :) [17:01] and this is after I canceled two overlapping meetings :) [17:45] mrgoodcat: i'm leaving on the 16th [17:45] so two more CHCs in my immediate future [17:49] woot! [17:50] * rick_h_ goes and grabs the bookie t-shirts. one is for waf I believe [17:52] rick_h_: Are they signed and numbered? [18:20] .np squeekyhoho [18:20] squeekyhoho's current track - Drowning With Silence by Soilwork on The Living Infinite [18:20] waf: Coolness [18:50] brousch_: for future generations [19:11] can anybody recommend a good python plotting library? [19:11] want to make a line graph [19:11] matplot is the standard [19:11] or do it client side in d3 :P [20:03] .np squeekyhoho [20:03] squeekyhoho's last track - Bathyalpelagic III: Disequillibrated by The Ocean on Pelagial [4 Jun 2014, 19:07] [20:03] hurm === sharp is now known as Guest74231