[12:01] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:01] <brousch_> tired
[12:14] <cmaloney> http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/109276/kanban-automotive-revolution <- rick_h_
[12:14] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/g2VakR - Kanban: Automotive Revolution | Board Game | BoardGameGeek
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:20] <cmaloney> Reminder: CHC tonight at 8pm.
[13:24] <rick_h_> morning
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> anybody remember when waf said he was leaving
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> ?
[13:25] <rick_h_> later this month I believe
[13:28] <cmaloney> Yeah, not sure when he's heading out.
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> school budgets are ridiculous
[14:36] <brousch_> Correct. Schools should have an unlimited amount of money to spend
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> i meant more along the lines of being opaque
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> i can't tell at all how much my district spends on technology
[14:37] <mrgoodcat> or anything for that matter
[14:38] <brousch_> Trust them to spend it wisely and appropriately
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> all i can find is that my district spent 82 million last year on ~5400 students
[14:38] <mrgoodcat> about 15k per student
[14:38] <cmaloney> Trust them to try to wring every dime out of that budget
[14:39] <brousch_> Seems reasonable. That's like 20 ipads each
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> thats total budget. not IT
[14:41] <cmaloney> That's pathetic.
[14:41] <brousch_> 20 ipads can replace the teachers. You can even build a little fort from them
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> based on KHPS technology budget, which is 600k non-salary (i know the tech director) for 3313 students. if the ratios hold the same that's 180 per student in their district. 280 per student in mine
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> their total budget was 30.6 million last year
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> per student per year that is
[14:42] <cmaloney> Yep, teachers getting fat on that dosh.
[14:42] <cmaloney> (that's sarcasm)
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> teachers get paid a lot in my district
[14:43] <cmaloney> That's good. Keep it up. They need it.
[14:43] <cmaloney> Also: define "a lot"
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> we had a couple bmws, a 5.0L mustang fastback, a bunch of cadillacs, and some euro sportscars
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> teachers driving them
[14:43] <_stink_> maybe they just spent irresponsibly.
[14:43] <cmaloney> Are you sure that was "teachers" and not "administrators"?
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> all of them?
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> for sure teachers
[14:44] <cmaloney> Maybe they wanted somewhere nice to live.
[14:44] <_stink_> haha
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:45] <brousch_> Maybe they have rich spouces
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> seems unlikely they all had rich spouses
[14:45] <brousch_> just those 5
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> 5?
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> our administrators drove even nicer cars
[14:46] <cmaloney> I love that teachers are "paid well" if they drive a car that isn't a broken down Yugo
[14:46] <jrwren> .np
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: requires your username
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> .np dyladan
[14:46] <bookiebot> dyladan's last track - Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) by Adventure Club on Rise & Fall (feat. Krewella) [27 May 2014, 12:33]
[14:47] <jrwren> 15k per student?!?!   where are you mrgoodcat ?  that is like 2X here.
[14:47] <jrwren> .np evarlast
[14:47] <bookiebot> evarlast's current track - Capital Punishment (original) by :Wumpscut:
[14:47] <jrwren> playing at work, with no headphones :p
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> bloomfield hills
[14:47] <_stink_> sigh.
[14:47] <cmaloney> As opposed to industry where if you drive a Caddy or BMW you're "successful"
[14:47] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think they had to have nicer cars in Bloomfield HIlls
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> fine. would you be happier if i said our teachers were successful?
[14:48] <cmaloney> otherwise they'd get towed as being "noxious vehicles"
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:48] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: They taught you, so I'd concur. ;)
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> :)
[14:48] <jrwren> i like my 12yr old chevy with 150k miles.  I likely make more than those teachers :p
[14:49] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[14:49] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's last track - Closed View by In my shiver on Delicate Poison [4 Jun 2014, 03:31]
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> ok so our budget says 44 million for teacher salaries. 5400 students. 14.29 students per teacher.
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> i worked it out to 116.5k average
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> which is a reasonable salary
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> some are obviously higher, some lower
[14:52] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Be careful with those numbers
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> i know
[14:52] <cmaloney> not all of that goes to teachers.
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> budget reports usck
[14:52] <cmaloney> I'd be surprised if most of those teachers made more than $50K
[14:54] <jrwren> much of it goes to employer paid taxes, health care, and pension.
[14:54] <mrgoodcat> it would appear you are correct http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/michigan/teacher-salary-in-bloomfield-hills-school-district/
[14:54] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/CTyt85 - Bloomfield Hills School District Average Teacher Salary & How to Become a Teacher
[14:55] <mrgoodcat> most of that "average salary" must be administrators
[14:55] <jrwren> that said teacher, not administrator
[14:55] <_stink_> plus those scales are always stacked heavily in favor of the old codgers who stick around forever.
[14:55] <_stink_> and bully the newcomers into voting for contracts that only skew the scale more.
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: i misread it. 44 million was total salary apparently. not just teachers
[14:56] <cmaloney> yep
[14:56] <jrwren> i see
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> damn glad i'm not gonna be a teacher
[14:56] <_stink_> new teachers get shit for pay.  it's terrible.
[14:56] <cmaloney> I would hesitate to recommaend anyone become a teacher at this point.
[14:56] <_stink_> < $40k is very commong.
[14:56] <_stink_> -g
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> average in the district is 54k
[14:57] <cmaloney> Unless you a) really enjoyed teaching b) enjoyed having plutocrats tell you how to run your classroom, and c) were a masochist.
[14:57] <jrwren> isn't 33k national median pay?
[14:58] <cmaloney> not sure.
[14:58] <_stink_> wikipedia says $44.4k in 2004.
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> so teachers in my district are about median it seems
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> assuming growth rates held
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> my district is better off than most though
[14:58] <cmaloney> Oh, and d) value having people tell you you're not doing enough when you're pulling 16 hour days and weekends.
[14:59] <cmaloney> e) can smile when people tell you you have your summers off even though it's forced unemployment with no way to file for unemployment.
[15:00] <jrwren> 44k for teacher median.
[15:00] <jrwren> i meant overall US median pay
[15:00] <_stink_> jrwren: that's the overall number according to the Arbiter of All Truths, wikipedia.
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> kalimazoo's peregrine falcons gave birth :)
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> first time ever in kzoo
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> w00t
[15:01] <jrwren> huh, seems high. awesome.
[15:01] <jrwren> yay falcons!
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> they used to leave pidgeon corpses all over the city
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> like torn to pieces
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> falcons are badass
[15:01] <jrwren> thank them. the corpses decay faster without the added meat.
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> we used to have only two though. now there are more
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> it's about to be pidgeonmageddon in kzoo
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> at least 4 it seems
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> nobody knows how many they had yet
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> 4 babies that is
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> someone should make a gtk fork that incorporates george takei phrases as function names
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> oh_my would be error logging
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> on_screen_mr_sulu for printing to screen
[15:22] <cmaloney> Feel free to take that up
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:22] <cmaloney> How's the afternoon so far?
[16:22] <greg-g> still morning
[16:23] <greg-g> still getting going
[16:23] <greg-g> my day: booked solid between 10:30am and 3pm (solid, like, no lunch) then another 3:30-4.
[16:30] <cmaloney> Ugh
[16:31] <greg-g> rick_h_ and I are similar beasts now
[16:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: :)
[16:32] <greg-g> I'd share a screenshot of my calendar if it didn't have interviewee names in it
[17:01] <rick_h_> greg-g: :) yea, there are some days I want to screenshot and post it but can't
[17:01] <rick_h_> "You guys won't believe it unless you actually see it...oh well"
[17:01] <greg-g> :)
[17:01] <greg-g> and this is after I canceled two overlapping meetings :)
[17:45] <waf> mrgoodcat: i'm leaving on the 16th
[17:45] <waf> so two more CHCs in my immediate future
[17:49] <rick_h_> woot!
[17:50]  * rick_h_ goes and grabs the bookie t-shirts. one is for waf I believe
[17:52] <brousch_> rick_h_: Are they signed and numbered?
[18:20] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[18:20] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Drowning With Silence by Soilwork on The Living Infinite
[18:20] <cmaloney> waf: Coolness
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> brousch_: for future generations
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> can anybody recommend a good python plotting library?
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> want to make a line graph
[19:11] <rick_h_> matplot is the standard
[19:11] <rick_h_> or do it client side in d3 :P
[20:03] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[20:03] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's last track - Bathyalpelagic III: Disequillibrated by The Ocean on Pelagial [4 Jun 2014, 19:07]
[20:03] <cmaloney> hurm