[00:44] <linux_unix-10> hello
[00:46] <linux_unix-10> i'm installing xubuntu 14.04 right now and i'm wondering why the resolution is in 1024x768? i'm using a persistent live usb
[00:49] <linux_unix-10> will my resolution be forever stuck in 1024x768 post-install or will more options appear?
[00:50] <linux_unix-10> anybody?
[01:03] <linux_unix-10> i can't boot into windows 8.1 anymore after installation and the grub screen is blank for a while. how do i ifx this?
[01:03] <linux_unix-10> *fix
[01:04] <holstein> !grub
[01:04] <holstein> linux_unix-10: i would just run "sudo update-grub" and see if that "Fixes" it
[01:04] <holstein> linux_unix-10: are you on a system that has grub? did you do a normal installation?
[01:05] <linux_unix-10> yes
[01:05] <linux_unix-10> grub 2, i presume
[01:05] <holstein> linux_unix-10: no reason to presume anything.. check and confirm
[01:06] <linux_unix-10> how?
[01:06] <linux_unix-10> last line before "done" statement said "Found Windows 8 (loader) on /dev/sda1"
[01:07] <linux_unix-10> last problem is that the grub screen is blank for a few seconds before startup
[01:08] <linux_unix-10> i'll be back, i'll restart and test the system
[01:39] <etrask> hello all I just installed 14.04 LTS. Is there a way to make Firefox put the window manager buttons on the same level as the tabs? It's hideous by default
[01:39] <etrask> http://i.imgur.com/TGVLJNE.png
[01:40] <Unit193> I don't know of a way, but I know you can get the menu back...
[01:41] <etrask> sad day :(
[01:45] <xangua> etrask: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hide-caption-titlebar-plus-sma/
[01:46] <etrask> that's better, thank you xangua
[03:09] <acylus> Hello.
[03:10] <acylus> Anyone here
[03:10] <Unit193> Looks like 120 are here, or thereabouts.
[03:15] <likemindead> Ahoy!
[11:22] <z4nD4R> Q: any ideas how to solve this bug? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1289047 ?
[11:35] <PanicaComp> hey there guyz
[11:35] <PanicaComp> i need a hand
[11:35] <PanicaComp> with compiz
[11:35] <PanicaComp> can any1 help me?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> !details | PanicaComp
[11:37] <PanicaComp> ok: here is my problem, i installed compiz with plugins and settings manager and when i type compiz --replace everything freezes
[11:37] <PanicaComp> and toolbars dissappear
[11:39] <PanicaComp> i am running xubuntu 14.04 by the way
[11:40] <zakt> :( i have tried for 2 days and i cant instal linux
[11:41] <PanicaComp> why?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> !details|zakt no details = no help
[11:41] <zakt> idk... i just tried xubuntu then after making a usb
[11:41] <zakt> ok i will explain as best as i can please forgive me i am not advanced on linux
[11:42] <PanicaComp> you are not able to boot or you magicaly fail somewhere else?
[11:42] <zakt> i have a uefi
[11:42] <zakt> no i cant install
[11:42] <zakt> for example, the boot will just toggle black screen then monitor not detected then black screen again
[11:42] <zakt> it will hang and i cannot reset
[11:42] <zakt> this is with all linux vers
[11:43] <zakt> the furthest i have ever gotten was with mini.iso from ubuntu, where i got stuck at 0% detecting hardware please wait
[11:43] <skribblezatcha> zakt, have you disable secure boot and tried after doing so?
[11:44] <zakt> i did check my eufi setup, and it says secure boot is disabled
[11:44] <zakt> there is something else in the eufi called, intel rapid smart technology or something
[11:44] <zakt> its enabled
[11:44] <skribblezatcha> ok..
[11:44] <zakt> i was also fearing it could be because my graphics card is new (r9 280x) and is causing all linux installations to fail? idk
[11:46] <skribblezatcha> no its not graphics. do you see anything else in bios other than secure boot and the intel rapid smart technology that you are talking about zakt ?
[11:46] <zakt> sorry , i have tried many tutorials and i just dont know what to do thats why i am here
[11:46] <zakt> um
[11:46] <zakt> there is something about raid
[11:47] <zakt> in the sata settings
[11:47] <skribblezatcha> are you using raid zakt ?
[11:47] <zakt> my motherboard is asrock h77 pro/4 mvp
[11:47] <zakt> as far as i know, no. it is on the auto setting
[11:47] <zakt> i cant remember the name but its similar to ascii
[11:48] <skribblezatcha> do you have more than one HDD installed zakt ?
[11:48] <zakt> nope, just one, and i shrunk it so i can install linux
[11:48] <skribblezatcha> ok cool.
[11:48] <zakt> the space is just unallocated
[11:49] <skribblezatcha> i would use gparted to take that unallocated space and format it to ext4 zakt. then go ahead and try to install xubuntu again on the formatted partition. see how far you get doing it that way.
[11:50] <skribblezatcha> not using the installer to format that unallocated space, but having it formatted to ext4 before even attempting to install it.
[11:50] <zakt> ok well il try but, as soon as i boot xubuntu from usb it does some fast commands then goes black screen
[11:50] <zakt> so i dont actualyl see an installer
[11:50] <skribblezatcha> o i didnt know that.
[11:51] <skribblezatcha> so it wont even boot it. thats deep.
[11:51] <zakt> yeah, its the same for all the linux... the only one that has gotten to some sort of menu and started to get packages and set timezone , was the mini install from ubuntu
[11:51] <zakt> but it failed at "detecting disks and all other hardware" 0%
[11:52] <zakt> :(
[11:52] <skribblezatcha> right, i hear you.
[11:52] <skribblezatcha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[11:53] <zakt> wow!
[11:53] <skribblezatcha> check out that link there zakt ..and see if that helps at all.
[11:53] <zakt>  the very second thing it said was disable that rapid shit from intel
[11:53] <skribblezatcha> lol
[11:53] <zakt> hopefully this will help! thanks skribble
[11:53] <skribblezatcha> yw zakt .
[11:53] <skribblezatcha> good luck man.
[11:54] <zakt> thanks
[11:54] <zakt> il go try it now
[11:59] <PanicaComp> so
[12:00] <PanicaComp> guyz, any idea what packages i need to install and how to configure for compiz on 14.04
[12:00] <skribblezatcha> i have no clue PanicaComp .
[12:01] <PanicaComp> ok
[12:01] <PanicaComp> :D
[12:04] <skribblezatcha> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225993 PanicaComp .
[12:06] <PanicaComp> i got that far, when i run compiz --replace it goes haywire and window borders disappear. I just found that i need emerald for this :D
[12:08] <zakt> hey skribble not sure if your still here, but i disabled the rapid smart technology and it no longer hangs on a black screen and loses monitor power! :)
[12:09] <zakt> it did a bunch of commands and then got stuck on "Failed Command READ FPDMA QUEUED , -    ata7.00 failed command Identify packet device.  ata7.00 hard resetting link
[12:10] <PanicaComp> what have you used to create bootable usb?
[12:10] <skribblezatcha> ok, so basically it still wont allow you to boot to desktop though zakt?
[12:10] <zakt> hopefully this is a step forward from before though
[12:10] <skribblezatcha> right, i know what you mean.
[12:10] <zakt> basically yeah, but its not hanging anymore
[12:10] <zakt> it actually shows me it doing the commands and loading keyboard and such
[12:11] <skribblezatcha> then just doesnt make it to the desktop huh?
[12:11] <zakt> nope lol
[12:11] <zakt> oh btw that setting for the hd was ACHI
[12:12] <PanicaComp> zakt try to format flash drive to fat32 and create bootable media with universal usb installer
[12:12] <PanicaComp> something verry similar happened to me also
[12:13] <skribblezatcha> PanicaComp, are you using something with uefi?
[12:13] <PanicaComp> no :(
[12:13] <zakt> i think i used lilu before skribble
[12:13] <skribblezatcha> ok, thats what we are dealing with PanicaComp .
[12:13] <zakt> i will try again with universal
[12:13] <skribblezatcha> unetbootin is what i use..and it always works for me.
[12:13] <PanicaComp> i see... i read the whole thing
[12:14] <skribblezatcha> ok cool PanicaComp .
[12:14] <zakt> well i cant use unetbootin :( i bought this sandisk cruizer today 16gb
[12:14] <zakt> and it doesnt show in the list on unet
[12:14] <skribblezatcha> i have a scandisk cruizer 8gb and use unetbootin with it..and it works just fine.
[12:14] <zakt> for me when i plug it into windows it kind of detects it as a hd
[12:16] <skribblezatcha> ok, well i am ofcourse using linux..and it does show it as a drive for me.
[12:22] <zakt> well here goes nothin! :O
[12:22] <skribblezatcha> zakt :)
[13:20] <xubuntu089> what make xUbuntu better than ... for example Ubuntu in your opinion ? or is better the wrong word ?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu089 why?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> use what works for you.
[13:22] <Yinchie> xubuntu works smoother for me :)
[13:22] <xubuntu089> by using the GUI you mean ? :)
[13:23] <Yinchie> ye, overal usage
[13:23] <Pici> I like the mouse
[13:23] <Pici> mascot
[13:23] <cfhowlett> xubuntu089 sudo apt-get install lxde               logout / choose lubuntu session / login.  test it for yourself.
[13:23] <factotum> lxde? you mean xfce?
[13:24] <Yinchie> lxde is a very lightweight window manager
[13:24] <phunyguy> xubuntu089, I am not on Xubuntu anymore, but I am on XFCE still.  I prefer the classic desktop it provides.  But everyone has a different opinion, which makes that kind of question not able to be answered.... It is up to you to choose.
[13:24] <phunyguy> lxde is not a window manager.  It is a desktop environment.
[13:24] <factotum> oh right, duuh
[13:25] <xubuntu089> you using ONLY XFCE ?
[13:25] <Yinchie> misspoken :)
[13:25] <phunyguy> xubuntu089, Gentoo.  ;)
[13:25] <Yinchie> i like xfce as well.
[13:25] <Yinchie> its one of the reasons i use xubuntu
[13:26] <xubuntu089> that make
[13:26] <xubuntu089> ups sorry
[13:29] <xubuntu089> and which distribution you'll also prefer ? next to xubuntu ?
[13:30] <phunyguy> I am not entirely sure that is what this channel is for, but I will bite.  I prefer Gentoo right now because it is a rolling distribution on stable software.
[13:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu089 why would you care what any of us prefer.  YOUR computer, YOUR use case, YOUR preferences.  Man up and make your choice
[13:31] <phunyguy> xubuntu089, a good portion of us here have installed everything we could get our hands on and chose for ourselves
[13:32] <cfhowlett> xubuntu089 virtualbox is your friend if you're unable to commit to just one distro
[13:34] <phunyguy> and we lost them
[13:50] <sweetleaf> I think distros are just a matter of taste. At the end of the day they do the same thing with different commands
[13:50] <sweetleaf> I might be naive but thats my perspective
[13:55] <starrats> At this point in time will take xubuntu 14.04LTS over any other distro!!
[13:56] <sweetleaf> starrats: have you found any big differences with the equivalent Mint release with Xfce?
[13:59] <starrats> haven't tried Mint for awhile, tried to install it on VBox and it went into a 'safe mode' because of a 'driver' issue.  A little black box popped up on the screen as soon as i restarted the install.
[14:17] <ARM9> my main pet peeve with ubuntu is how everything in the official repo is like a year old
[14:17] <ARM9> or more
[14:19] <Pici> Thats the cost of stability.
[15:01] <phunyguy> I wouldn't say a year old, unless you are talking about 12.04, then yeah that stuff is pretty old.  But 14.04, the stuff is maybe a few months behind.  With that said, things like security and bugfix updates are backported to that version, which adds stability over time.
[15:01] <phunyguy> 12.04 is rock solid right now./
[15:06] <SamwiseGamgee> Xubuntu says I need 512 MB of memory, are they referring to my RAM memory?
[15:07] <vrkalak> yes
[15:07] <SamwiseGamgee> I have three RAM sticks with 256 MB each, but AMIBIOS says II only have 511 MB of RAM
[15:08] <ARM9> I'm currently using 1.12GiB
[15:08] <ARM9> don't use firefox or chromium
[15:09] <SamwiseGamgee> also, I´m trying to run memtest86 with my USB flash drive, but it won´t boot up.  Is it because I cleared by master boot record by removing the battery?
[15:12] <ARM9> huh, my keyboard repeat stopped working
[15:12] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: removing batteries doesnt do that
[15:13] <SamwiseGamgee> AMIBIOS said my BIO
[15:13] <SamwiseGamgee> said my BIOS is wrong
[15:13] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ok.. you'll want to address any hardware issues like that before dealing with an operating system
[15:14] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i have found messages like that can sometimes just be about the CMOS battery being bad.. but, the CMOS battery doesnt effect the hard drive
[15:14] <SamwiseGamgee> It was working fine before I took out the battery
[15:15] <SamwiseGamgee> But I changed the BIOS settings, and I think it´s working better now
[15:15] <SamwiseGamgee> But I want to run a memory test and memtest86 is not booting up from my USB drive
[15:15] <SamwiseGamgee> my USB stick
[15:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Is it because it is Linux-based?
[15:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[15:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: try looking in your bios and see what is set to boot
[15:18] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok
[15:20] <SamwiseGamgee> It´s hard to get into BIOS, and I keep getting MBR Error 1
[15:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i would be testing hardware at that point..
[15:21] <SamwiseGamgee> I got into BIOS but can´t find the boot setting menu
[15:22] <SamwiseGamgee> I´ve seen it before but can´t rremember which menu to go to
[15:22] <GridCube> SamwiseGamgee, is your computer new?
[15:22] <SamwiseGamgee> No, itś'almost 10 years old
[15:23] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the bios is specific to your setup..
[15:23] <GridCube> 'kay
[15:23] <SamwiseGamgee> AMIBIOS 3.31a
[15:23] <GridCube> SamwiseGamgee, you might need to take the PLOP route
[15:23] <SamwiseGamgee> I found it
[15:24] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[15:25] <SamwiseGamgee> I set the USB as the primary boot mode, but it´s still not working
[15:27] <GridCube> SamwiseGamgee, check the link i pasted please
[15:27] <SamwiseGamgee> I just did
[15:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Itś kind of confusing, why can´t I just burn everything into an installation DVD?
[15:28] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it may be the bios is "bad", or the machine is broken in some way.. with older hardware like that, i typically test and try and diagnose everything as much as possible
[15:28] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: dont assume the USB or ubuntu is "bad".. test the stick on another machine.. if it boots there, then, you can assume the issue is with the current machine kicking up the bios errors
[15:29] <SamwiseGamgee> the motherboard has never been used until two months ago, so it´s like new, but it was made about ten years ago
[15:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: dont assume its funcitonal.. test it
[15:29] <SamwiseGamgee> Test the USB stick?
[15:30] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: correct.. as i suggested, if you take it to another machine, and it boots, then, the stick can be assumed "good"
[15:30] <holstein> !md5
[15:32] <SamwiseGamgee> My PSU blew up, so it may have damaged the MB, but I was running and installing Windowx XP and it was working fine for a few days
[15:34] <SamwiseGamgee> But something weird happened.  When I was about the press the power button to turn it on, it turned on by itself before I fully pressed the power button
[15:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Then it made clicking sounds and acted weird, everthing speeded up and it was opoening windows over and over whenn I only clicked on the window once
[15:36] <SamwiseGamgee> the same thing happened to my other PC with the cursor flashing and multiple windows opening, so it made me suspect it´s a virus and not a hardware issue
[15:37] <SamwiseGamgee> Both PCs also won´t let me shut them off
[15:38] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: clicking sounds can be hard drive failures
[15:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: could be the hardware power switch is stuck.. if you have no experience with the hardware, you dont know what is funcitoning or not
[15:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I have a lot of experience with this hardware and I know the MB well
[15:39] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you just stated, the MB was sitting around for a long time
[15:40] <SamwiseGamgee> I used her sister MB for ten years
[15:40] <holstein> 11:29 < SamwiseGamgee> the motherboard has never been used until two months ago, so it´s like new, but it was made about ten years ago
[15:40] <SamwiseGamgee> that is true, yes
[15:40] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: unless you have used *that* *exact* unit, you cannot say its functional.. please test it and go from there
[15:41] <SamwiseGamgee> The only bootable software that works is Acronis and Redobackup
[15:41] <SamwiseGamgee> The Windows installation CD also works
[15:42] <SamwiseGamgee> But late in the Windows XP installation process, I start getting cursor flashes, but it still works
[15:43] <SamwiseGamgee> But later, always after Windows XP is installed, it works fine for a little while, but then it starts opening multiple windows without my permission, and the cursor flashes a lot
[15:44] <SamwiseGamgee> But when I run Acronis and Redobackkup off the CD, it works fine
[15:45] <SamwiseGamgee> But I had a lot of trouble creating a bootable CD or a bootable USB jump using this computer which is running Kubuntu
[15:45] <SamwiseGamgee> because my optical drive can´t seem to write anything onto a CD
[15:46] <SamwiseGamgee> but I have a new external optical drive, which I could hook up to burn CDs and DVDs
[15:47] <SamwiseGamgee> But I don´t know how to install the drivers for it, because the drivers I have for the external optical drive are supposed to be installed in Windows
[15:47] <SamwiseGamgee> and this PC is running Kubuntu 12.04
[19:11] <meek_geek> howdy
[19:52] <xubuntu354> What program does stock xubuntu use for internet management?
[19:53] <koegs> xubuntu354: network-manager, just as ubuntu
[19:54] <xubuntu354> But that doesn't seem to be installed on here. At least writing network-manager in a terminal opens nothing.
[19:55] <xubuntu354> Because the options available from the panel applet are ridiculously limited.
[19:56] <xubuntu697> hey
[19:56] <xubuntu697> can anyone help me ?
[19:56] <xubuntu354> maybe.
[19:56] <xubuntu697> I have a problem with the sound
[19:57] <xubuntu697> whenever I'm listening to something it bumps
[19:57] <xubuntu697> like little stops
[20:04] <xubsat> seems like a problem of sync, but it is not
[20:04] <xubsat> hey, I got a problem with thw sound, whenever I'm listening to any song or video, it gives me little sound stops
[20:46] <Guido1> Hello, I'm searching for a new latop to put xubuntu on. I already made a basic comparision, but now it's about the grafikcard and the processor etc. on http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=nb&asuch=Cardreader&asd=on&bpmax=700&v=e&filter=aktualisieren&xf=2379_15.4~69_Nummernblock~28_2000~83_LCD%20matt%20%28non-glare%29~893_4~2377_17.9~3310_2013~2647_40&sort=p you can see which futures are available for me and I'm interested in the different
[20:46] <Guido1> advantages and disadvantages expecialy in regard to working with linux
[21:06] <js_doode> I'm looking to add Sublime Text 2 to xfce menu, per these instructions:http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu , would like to know what categories xfce uses.
[21:07] <slimjimflim> hi, ever since i upgraded to 14.04 my monitor shuts off after 10 min. of no mouse/keyboard input.  does anyone know how to keep it on indefinitely?
[21:08] <Unit193> js_doode: I think menulibre can add them just fine.
[21:08] <js_doode> Unit193: Oh. I wasn't aware of menulibre. Thanks.
[21:09] <jazzycool> hey
[21:09] <jazzycool> guys
[21:09] <jazzycool> I am actually having some problem with my media player plugins on web browser
[21:09] <jazzycool> that is I am not able to play videos of Playwire, Dailymotion or videoweed
[21:10] <jazzycool> can you guys help me with the same
[21:10] <jazzycool> playwire video doesnt show up dailymotion shows up but whenever I play it gets stuck in the loading screen
[21:10] <jazzycool> and videoweed keeps buffering every now and then
[21:10] <jazzycool> can you guys please help me out
[21:11] <jazzycool> I would highly appreciate your help
[21:14] <jazzycool> guys  anyone
[21:14] <jazzycool> I really need help
[21:14] <Jonty> when i try to add the indicator panel to my xfce panel, it keeps on crashing. a google tells me this is actually unsupported(??) if so, what is the supported way of getting a system tray thing where i can see what programs are running in the background?
[21:18] <js_doode> Unit193: I symlinked Sublime dir from /opt to /usr/bin --> should I put /usr/bin as working directory for menulibre?
[21:19] <js_doode> jazzycool: it helps if you are more specific, what browser, what's the error exactly. just fyi.
[21:20] <jazzycool> I am using chrome and firefox the problem is the game on it whenever I open a website with playwire player it doesn't show up the video at all just a blank black space
[21:20] <jazzycool> and dailymotion stops the video at the loading screen doesnt move on
[21:21] <jazzycool> same*
[21:21] <js_doode> Unit193: Never mind, I cannot select it from /usr/bin, so I'm guessing /opt
[21:21] <js_doode> jazzycool: Can your hardware handle the videos? Are you in a good machine?
[21:22] <jazzycool> ,y hardware is pretty modern and yes can handle things very good it does on my windows
[21:22] <jazzycool> it has 8GB RAM, intel i7, Nvidia GT650M 2GB
[21:23] <js_doode> jazzycool: provide me with some links of websites running these platforms. Playwire, Dailymotion, videoweed
[21:23] <jazzycool> 1) http://www.musicnmovies.info/stars/gurmeet.php?session=27cTWeZm6q35928335&docid2=12421
[21:24] <jazzycool> 2) http://www.bollyguide.com/stars/sanaya.php?session=64cTWeZm6q29x1y37x9
[21:24] <jazzycool> 3) http://www.bollyguide.com/stars/karan.php?session=24cTWeZm6q374df5136f960f1
[21:25] <jazzycool> first one is playwire second one is dailymotion and third is videoweed
[21:25] <js_doode> jazzycool: what version of xubuntu you running?
[21:26] <jazzycool> I am petty sure its 13.10
[21:26] <jazzycool> but not sure
[21:26] <jazzycool> hold on
[21:26] <jazzycool> I will check it up
[21:26] <js_doode> jazzycool: run lsb_release -a in terminal
[21:27] <jazzycool> yeah it is xubuntu 13.10
[21:28] <js_doode> jazzycool: you have an issue with your plugins. Upgrade your browsers.
[21:29] <jazzycool> alright I will try that
[21:30] <js_doode> jazzycool: I'm running 14.04, and my firefox browser is v29, and those videos played fine for me.
[21:30] <jazzycool> ok one mroe question
[21:30] <js_doode> jazzycool: not saying you have to upgrade to 14.04, but just your browsers.
[21:30] <jazzycool> how do u suggest I should upgrade my web browser
[21:32] <jazzycool> hey can you help with the upgrade of my web browser
[21:32] <js_doode> jazzycool: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:33] <jazzycool> well I think my web browser is up-to-date
[21:33] <jazzycool> but not sure
[21:34] <jazzycool> and if I upgrade the whole distro will I loose my files and everything bcz I dont want any problem
[21:34] <jazzycool> as I have my imp files on my computer and it is also dual booted on EFI windows 8
[21:34] <jazzycool> so??
[21:35] <jazzycool> hey u there
[21:35] <js_doode> jazzycool: it won't upgrade your distro. just the files for your current distro.
[21:35] <jazzycool> oh ok...lol
[21:35] <jazzycool> sorry I am not quite familiar with linux
[21:35] <jazzycool> and what if I wanted to upgrade my distro
[21:35] <jazzycool> in the future
[21:35] <js_doode> jazzycool: man apt-get
[21:36] <jazzycool> ok
[21:36] <jazzycool> as 13.10 support ends in july 2014
[21:36] <js_doode> jazzycool: in the manpages for apt-get find the section for dist-upgrade.
[21:37] <jazzycool> ok
[21:37] <js_doode> jazzycool: In the case of upgrading, backup and re-install no different than any other OS.
[21:37] <jazzycool> oh ok dang thats a lot of pain in the ass
[21:37] <jazzycool> lol
[21:38] <jazzycool> because I am sure it is very difficult
[21:38] <js_doode> jazzycool: you should be backing up anyway. Hard drives are fickle.
[21:38] <jazzycool> specially on the efi hardware
[21:38] <jazzycool> true
[21:41] <jazzycool> thanks man I appreciate your help