=== vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === doko_ is now known as doko === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk === vladk is now known as vladk|offline === vladk|offline is now known as vladk [15:02] * barry waves [15:02] * slangasek waves [15:02] hi [15:02] hi [15:04] yo [15:04] * stgraber waves [15:04] * xnox o/ [15:04] o/ [15:04] o/ [15:04] #startmeeting [15:04] Meeting started Thu Jun 5 15:05:17 2014 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:04] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:05] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [15:05] doko: we were discussing the sprint on mumble, the one on the slopes ;-) [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru) [15:05] robru sil2100 mvo bdmurray bhuey doko cjwatson caribou barry xnox slangasek stgraber infinity jodh [15:05] hmm, no, let me reshuffle [15:05] slangasek: that's not random at all =) [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru) [15:06] doko cjwatson caribou bdmurray sil2100 bhuey mvo slangasek infinity barry robru xnox jodh stgraber [15:06] * barry takes a 15m nap [15:06] better ;) [15:06] yeah =) [15:06] folks [15:06] - client sprint [15:06] - mentoring for openjdk-7 builds [15:06] - openjdk-8 packaging, now building everywhere except on armhf [15:06] - GCC 4.7.4 updates [15:06] - preparing GCC updates for trusty [15:06] - python 2.7.7 release [15:06] - python 3.4.1 uploads, ensurepip fixes [15:06] - fix the last (?) python autopkg test failures [15:06] (done) [15:07] Starting in on phone RTM archive preparations: [15:07] - Discussion of plans with ubuntu-release/ubuntu-phone/launchpad-dev. [15:07] - Started writing sketch derive-distribution script; not got very far yet. [15:07] - Working on generalising proposed-migration a little to be able to handle multiple series, which will be immediately useful as a dry-run for stable releases and will be needed for RTM. [15:07] - To do next: move cron.germinate out of Launchpad into ubuntu-archive-publishing to remove one more piece of Ubuntu-specific hardcoding; possibly pick up one or two other small LP tasks; make further progress on derive-distribution script. [15:07] Click: [15:07] - Fixed broken getpwnam caching. [15:07] - QA call. [15:07] - Handled renaming of upstart-app-launch to ubuntu-app-launch. [15:07] Bootstrapped opencolorio/openimageio on armhf. [15:07] Fixed up samba build failures that were indirectly blocking many other builds in -proposed (notably unity8). [15:07] Sponsored biosdevname fixes (bug 1324558). [15:07] bug 1324558 in biosdevname (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] biosdevname returns identical names for two different devices." [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324558 [15:07] Sent MP fixing mir/arm64 build. [15:07] Scalingstack/buildd-manager call with IS and William. [15:07] Started on my backlog of ppc64el boot loader bugs in response to some PM nagging. [15:07] .. [15:07] you're on vacation, go away ;-P [15:08] doko: who is? [15:08] cjwatson, I thought you ... [15:08] nope [15:08] I took a swap day on Tuesday [15:08] * xnox has no idea when/who is on vacations after the new hr system got introduced [15:09] you could use that to your advantage ;) [15:09] the HR system has been fixed and no longer tells me I have the entire month of June approved as swap time ;-( [15:10] caribou: ? [15:10] oh, sorry [15:10] * Qemu/KVM crash analysis : many difficulties [15:10] * Custom preseed for HP soft RAID controller [15:10] (done) [15:10] client sprint [15:10] tested errors with django 1.5 (different fail) [15:10] modified daisy to log date and time in errors log [15:10] modified daisy to return OOPS ID when a crash is reported (bug 1326000) [15:10] modified whoopsie to log OOPS ID when a crash is reported (bug 1326000) [15:11] bug 1326000 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "whoopsie should record OOPS ID for an uploaded crash" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326000 [15:11] commited a fix for errors bug 1324924 [15:11] fixed error with errors charm not restarting gunicorn [15:11] discussed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1308-click-error-reporting with cjwatson [15:11] bug 1324924 in Errors "create bug link should not appear if the package is unknown" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324924 [15:11] fixed LP: #1324589 regarding xdiagnose [15:11] Launchpad bug 1324589 in xdiagnose (Ubuntu) "crashes reported by apport-gpu-error-intel.py are missing the package version" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324589 [15:11] submitted merge proposal fixing bug 1324833 [15:11] ubuntu-release-upgrader bug triage [15:11] research into duplicates of upgrade bug 1324196 regarding python from PPA [15:11] bug 1324833 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "crash handler does not include package version" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324833 [15:11] bug 1324196 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "upgrade from 12.04 or 13.10 to 14.04 not possible due to python3 from blender PPA" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324196 [15:11] ubuntu-release-upgrader SRU verification [15:11] ✔ done [15:12] o/ [15:12] So, this week I've been mostly busy with CI Train landing coordination and fighting with various issues we had from the landings we made [15:13] On Friday we landed a big feature, the split-out greeter from unity8, which generally caused many issues arising in our test infrastructure and image quality [15:14] Long story short, this got fixed, but now we're still battling the results of another buggy landing - the upstart-app-launch rename to ubuntu-app-launch, which seems to have caused some issues [15:15] In the meantime I also fixed some of the minor bugs in citrain code that we had and worked on some new features, like auto-updating changelog messages if there are dependency changes present [15:15] This can be disabled and tries to be smart [15:15] There were some more minor things going on, but probably got lost in my mind in-between the big firefighting we've been doing [15:15] Just as a final note: [15:16] We will be entering the so called TRAINCON-0 mode today again because there has been no promotions lately [15:16] ooooh [15:16] So this will mean that landings will be slowed down a bit [15:16] Ok, I think that's all o/ [15:16] cool [15:16] bhuey: care to say a few words about what you're working on? [15:19] shall I go? [15:19] mvo: go ahead [15:19] hwe-eol: [15:19] - work on update-motd [15:19] system-image: [15:19] - lp:~mvo/ubuntu-system-image/lp1271684 [15:19] click: [15:19] - code review [15:19] - meeting with QA [15:19] - lp:~mvo/click/coverage: enable coverage reporting (pretty tricky due [15:19] to the nature of the gimock.py/LD_PRELOAD tests) [15:19] - lp:~mvo/click/integration-tests: wrote some high level [15:19] integration tests [15:19] apt: [15:19] - by-hash discussion [15:19] - debug/fix lp #1274466 (cachedb corruption) [15:19] - debug/hopefully-fix lp #1324399 (dpkg pty stdin handling, tricky) [15:19] - backport https range-request handling to 12.04 (#1157943) [15:19] Launchpad bug 1274466 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-ftparchive on-disk cache format changed between lucid and precise, results in Packages files with silently corrupted checksums fields" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274466 [15:19] - check scope for SRU of #1324646 (reenable InRelease) [15:19] merges/syncs: [15:19] Launchpad bug 1324399 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get failing to show progress with yes command" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324399 [15:19] - pyrex, apt-xapian-index, newt, checksecurity, librest, etckeeper, [15:20] celery, mutt [15:20] misc: [15:20] - sprint Malta [15:20] - lp:~mvo/update-notifier/use-apt-helper - use apt-helper [15:20] download-file to ensure apt proxy settings are used [15:20] Next: [15:20] - HWE-EOL work [15:20] - new apt (if I get feedback from debian) [15:20] EOF [15:21] slangasek: you are next I believe :) [15:21] correct! [15:21] but I'm still reading yours :) [15:21] *weh* so I need to write less next time :) [15:22] mvo, yes, please write less, you make us all look bad ;-) [15:22] Reading is sooo last year [15:22] * sprinting in malta last week [15:22] * onboarding of the Landing Team [15:22] * discussions around plans for go (golang porting resourcing etc) [15:22] * discussions around juju in LTS [15:22] * discussions around system-image for !phones [15:22] * next things: [15:22] * UOS next week, please submit your blueprints [15:22] * more conversations about landing team in foundations [15:22] * trying to do the console-setup merge from Debian, to unblock initramfs-tools; this merge is slightly non-trivial [15:22] * starting the annual 360 review cycle [15:23] (done) [15:23] no infinity today [15:23] is infinity here? [15:24] barry's turn [15:24] system-image: LP: #1262256; LP: #1286542; LP: #1301995; LP: #1251291; LP: #1279028; LP: #1294273; LP: #1207860; LP: #1324241 (ongoing); LP: #1249347; LP: #1271684; fixes for new psutils & tox; general bug triaging and debugging. dialer-app py3 branch updating. will probably be making a new release soon-ish. [15:24] Launchpad bug 1262256 in Ubuntu system image "Pass hashes to u-d-m where available" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262256 [15:24] debuntu: six 1.6.1-2 (for wheels); LP: #1323328; virtualenv 1.11.6 (ongoing); pip 1.5.6-1; ensurepip testing and patch updates; debian bug #744145; requests 2.3.0-1; planning for SRU'ing the pyvenv/ensurepip fixes into trusty. [15:24] Launchpad bug 1286542 in Ubuntu system image "keyring DuplicateDestinationError when updating from custom s-i server" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286542 [15:24] Launchpad bug 1301995 in Ubuntu system image "system-image can't open its log file if not run as root" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301995 [15:24] Launchpad bug 1251291 in Ubuntu system image "cli switch to list available channels" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251291 [15:24] Launchpad bug 1279028 in Ubuntu system image "For debugging purposes, add a --no-reboot option to s-i-cli" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279028 [15:24] Launchpad bug 1323328 in wheel (Ubuntu) "[MIR] wheel, build dependency for packages providing -whl packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323328 [15:24] Debian bug 744145 in python-pip "pip crashes on "import requests"" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/744145 [15:24] other: building click packages meeting. system-image on desktop meeting. new hr system login problems and conference call. concurrent.futures discussion with didrock; planning call w/doko [15:24] done [15:26] * been evaluating JS frameworks for a web UI I volunteered to build in Malta for the CI team [15:26] * decided on nvd3 for charting, experimented with it by adding a chart to my CItrain backend page [15:26] * http://people.canonical.com/~rbpark/citrain/ go here and hover over "x silos in use" to see it [15:26] * CI train landings, breaking everything as fast and as often as possible ;-) [15:26] ✔ done [15:27] * reviewing & merging upstart code: [15:27] - cgroups to merge next (should be all ready, with all runtime asserts resolved) [15:27] - umask fix generates test-suite regressions [15:27] - all tests pass & builds pass on nonvirt builders [15:27] * startpar still hangs even with tasks patches (and on shut-down as well) [15:27] - current plan to fix all tasks in the archive first and go from there [15:27] * malta sprint: [15:27] - emulator reboot protocol with ubuntu-emulator (working with serguisens on this) [15:27] - vte/gnome-terminal discussions around vte.sh (summary to send to laney/doko/mdslaur) [15:27] done [15:27] * foundations-1305-upstart-work-items: [15:27] - cgroup+async support: Working with xnox to shake out final test bugs [15:27] and get cgroup support landed. [15:27] - Working on simplifying JobProcessData to remove nasty valid flag. [15:27] * upstart [15:27] - Implemented lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1324096 [15:27] - Trying to squish odd test failure on lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1302117. [15:27] * misc [15:27] - Released procenv 0.35 to fix FTBFS LP: #1324256 and associated tweaks: [15:27] Launchpad bug 1324256 in procenv (Ubuntu) "FTBFS in utopic: error: 'IFF_802_1Q_VLAN' undeclared here (not in a function)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324256 [15:27] - lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/utopic/pbuilder/dep8-fix [15:28] - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbuild/+bug/1325896 [15:28] Ubuntu bug 1325896 in sbuild (Ubuntu) "dep8 fix" [Undecided,Fix released] [15:28] - Discovered that "WARNING:" kernel oops's are ignored by apport [15:28] (due to bug #346303). Seems surprising and the Kernel team didn't [15:28] bug 346303 in kerneloops (Ubuntu Lucid) "do not generate apport reports for non-critical kernel messages" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346303 [15:28] seem to be aware that this was still true. [15:28] 🀧 [15:28] LXC: [15:28] - Processed all outstanding pull requests and patches on the ML [15:28] - Wrote a bunch of patches for python3 binding issues and some longstanding usability issues [15:28] - Cherry-picked all the bugfixes into the stable branch in preparation for the 1.0.4 stable release [15:28] - Attempted to reproduce some kernel crashes related to netfilter & netns, sadly unsuccesfuly [15:28] - Fixed some LXC CI environment issue (including backport of a cgmanager bugfix) [15:28] - Worked on getting unity8+mir working under LXC, made some progress (lightdm spawns u-s-c in the container but unity8 then fails to start) [15:28] [15:28] System image: [15:28] - Discussed system-image on server a bit (there will be a session on it next week) [15:28] - Dropped some compatibility code from the server which was causing broken upgrade paths when doing two reverts in a row. [15:28] [15:28] Other: [15:29] - Went through all the SRU and NEW queues, spent a bit of time trying to get oepn-vm-tools-lts-trusty to land, currently stuck on cunit getting accepted in precise-proposed (can someone please do that?) [15:29] - Fixed some ISO tracker build request hang (mix of bad DB state and leftover processes on nusakan) [15:29] - HR stuff [15:29] (DONE) [15:30] bhuey: your turn [15:30] here it goes [15:30] Last week, Malta... [15:30] -Merge new icedtea sources [15:30] -Learned about LP source uploads and building [15:30] -Set up crypto keys for signing packages [15:30] -Set up and compiled the AMD64 changes on my local machine. [15:30] -Fixed patch rejects involving the Sparc architecture zerovm [15:30] -Looked at the bug tracker on LP and reviewed a few bugs to get a feel of what's going on [15:31] This week... [15:31] -Compiled just updated icedtea2.5/openjdk7 sources on a ppc64el porter machine [15:31] -Created an account and uploaded all of the build files from that porter to lillypilly.canonical.com [15:31] -Examine various revision control systems compatible with debian patching. [15:31] -Looked at a build failure on LP regarding some no-execute bit logical in OpenJDK [15:31] -Looks trivial to fix but I'm looking around the OpenJDK/IcedTea sources still. [15:31] Next week... [15:31] -Reviewing the TCK set up [15:31] -Push for getting access to the internal VNP for a QA machine involved in TCK certification [15:31] -Merge out local changed of IcedTea2.5 and OpenJDK to a new version of IcedTea [15:31] -Upload packages to LP, resolve all build problems [15:31] -Look at the Makefile and build system more. It's a monster [15:32] I hope you don't fear monsters =) [15:33] like you ? :) [15:33] bhuey: is that the end? (Convention is to say '(done)' or such at the end) [15:33] done [15:33] cool, thanks [15:33] anyone have any questions over status? [15:33] Sorry yeah, still learning [15:34] no worries [15:34] [TOPIC] UOS === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: UOS [15:34] next week is the Ubuntu Online Summit (formerly vUDS) [15:34] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406 [15:34] everyone, please: [15:35] a) make sure you're registered for it [15:35] b) figure out if there are any sessions you want to propose for the week [15:36] the format is being changed somewhat this time; you're encouraged to use it not just for discussion sessions, but for also presenting things that may already be decided but haven't been communicated out to the community [15:36] * jodh wonders if someone should change the registration default from attending physically :) [15:36] this is guiding towards registering in summit rather than in LP as before; is that right? [15:36] (so e.g., things from Malta that we're definitely doing the work on and don't need discussion on because everything's clear, but we should let the community know we're doing) [15:36] cjwatson: uh, not sure, sorry [15:37] cjwatson: i had to register twice. [15:37] once in launchpad and once in the "summit django" [15:37] joy, ok [15:37] i'm not sure if the two are linked anymore. [15:37] I seem to remember having to register twice in the past [15:37] was summit rewritten again or something?! [15:37] not that I've seen :) [15:38] (if it has, I guess I'll get a rude awakening when I try to merge upstream for DebConf) [15:38] so currently, sessions proposed for UOS are going into some kind of limbo that I can't schedule from [15:38] I'll work with mhall119 to get that figured out today [15:39] in the meantime, aside from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/track/development/, the only session I know about that's pending is "system-images on !phone" [15:39] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-server-system-images [15:39] maybe that gives y'all ideas of other things that need scheduled [15:40] (or if not, I'll come around and let you know what you should talk about instead ;) [15:40] questions? [15:41] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:41] anything else? :) [15:42] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:42] Meeting ended Thu Jun 5 15:43:16 2014 UTC. [15:42] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-05-15.05.moin.txt [15:43] thanks [15:43] thanks, all! [15:43] thanks! [15:43] Sausage McMuffin with cheese [15:43] Thanks! [15:43] later [15:43] thanks! [15:43] heresy [15:43] bacon egg and cheese biscuit [15:44] thanks [15:44] my 2 for 1 beats your bacon [15:44] thanks [15:48] slangasek: you still can't schedule anything? [15:48] mhall119: no, I don't have any of the links to do so [15:48] I was looking at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/review/ [15:48] slangasek: are you logged in? Does it display the correct username in the top of the page? [15:48] which I can load but am also not given a link to anywhere [15:48] yes [15:48] slangasek: it's not in /review/ because it's already approved [15:48] ok, fine [15:49] but I still don't have any links for scheduling [15:49] what links do you have in the "Quick Links" box? [15:49] I don't have that box ;) [15:50] but you're logged in? [15:50] yes [15:50] what username does it display? [15:50] 'vorlon' [15:51] slangasek: can you take a screenshot of http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/ for me? [15:53] mhall119: hmm, need to figure out how to do that without PrintScreen [15:53] (since I have a goofy Lenovo keyboard and have summarily remapped that key) [15:54] slangasek: alt+F2: gnome-screenshot [15:54] gnome-screenshot -i, methinks [15:54] if you want interactive, sure :-P [15:55] mhall119: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/no-really-im-logged-in.png [15:56] ok, for a change that ADSL outage was because somebody knocked a cable loose [15:56] sigh [16:01] slangasek: you are somehow getting a mobile-friendly version of the site, no menu items and no Quick Links [16:02] but that shouldn't happen when there's still space on the sites like your screenshot shows [16:03] slangasek: in the short term can you increase the width of your browser window? [16:06] anything above 960px should bring that box back [16:07] mhall119: hahahathat's horrible [16:07] ok [16:07] slangasek: yeah, I don't remember who did that code,I think it was aquarius [16:07] right, have the quicklinks now, thanks [16:07] I can blame him anyway [16:07] np === vladk is now known as vladk|offline [17:00] hiya [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:01] how are you all doing? [17:01] pretty good thanks dholbach [17:01] Good day folks [17:01] Who do we have here from the Ubuntu GNOME team and from the Ubuntu Core Apps/Phone folks? [17:01] #startmeeting [17:01] Meeting started Thu Jun 5 17:02:11 2014 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:02] Hi, I'm here :) [17:02] #chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar czajkowski [17:02] ok, let's start with the Ubuntu GNOME team then :) [17:02] #topic Catching up with the Ubuntu GNOME team === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Catching up with the Ubuntu GNOME team [17:03] amjjawad, how are you doing? [17:03] #chair pleia2 elfy YokoZar czajkowski [17:03] Current chairs: YokoZar czajkowski dholbach elfy pleia2 [17:03] dholbach, hi, thanks for asking I'm trying to be in good shape ... hope all is okay at your end :) [17:04] amjjawad, yep, all's good - thanks... did you bring anyone else from the Ubuntu GNOME team? :) [17:04] how are things going with Ubuntu GNOME? how was the 14.04 release? === vladk|offline is now known as vladk [17:04] Sadly, I did not. Tim is our head of developers but he is +10 GMT so he is sleeping right now [17:04] ah yes, that makes a lot of sense :) [17:05] Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS was a huge success. At first, it was not yet confirmed whether we should go for an LTS release or not. But we didn't give up and we have done all what we could to gain the title. [17:06] well done :) [17:06] Ubuntu GNOME was showing a huge improvement lately. I joined the team in July 2013 coming from 2-years with Lubuntu Team. [17:06] Brilliant... did that leave you with any work for 14.10 or are things nice and easy now? :-) [17:06] My first challenge was to create a Wiki Area for Ubuntu GNOME which wasn't there. There was only one page. Now, we do have a full Wiki System. [17:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage [17:07] elfy, thanks :) [17:07] I just wanted to say that there's been a bit of a rift between upstream Gnome and Ubuntu since Unity, and you are one of our best hopes for bridging that and bringing the best software to users. Thank you. [17:07] dholbach, we have put so much effort into 14.10 and I'm planning now as the other leader of Ubuntu GNOME to focus on the look and feel this cycle. [17:07] YokoZar, thanks :) [17:08] by the way, we do have a bit of problem with our users. Not all are happy :( [17:08] it is due to the fact that Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME can't use the latest GNOME version by default. It seems most of the users are looking for the latest release. [17:09] amjjawad, I noticed for example that gnome-settings-daemon could now be updated again since many unity-related changes could be dropped (standard Ubuntu uses a forked version now) [17:09] I wrote this to clear things up: http://ubuntugnome.org/gnome-3-12/ [17:09] amjjawad, do you know of any other modules which can't be updated? [17:10] dholbach, if truth to be told, I handle everything within Ubuntu GNOME team except Artwork and Technical stuff [17:10] so I can't state anything unless I'm 100% sure [17:10] amjjawad, ok... I was just wondering if these are issues which are worked out with the Desktop team [17:11] sure, I didn't want you to start speculating :) [17:11] Yes, I'm particularly interested in cases where we basically forked gnome but still kept the package as "gnome-whatever" rather than splitting it off into a separate unity-specific one, as such things basically aren't Gnome but are blocking us from having a newer Gnome :) [17:11] Tim is the best one to answer this and sadly, he's not here [17:11] in any case, I'm sure Tim knows the relevant desktop team members, but I'm happy to liaise if necessary [17:11] We don't need to discuss technical details too much, but it's a sort of thing that happened mainly because we as a distro were being a bit careless [17:11] Yes, I'll send him the log so if there is anything, he will contact the correct team for that :) thanks a lot for offering your help and support [17:12] YokoZar, well... things like that happen if you have tight deadlines, etc. [17:12] dholbach, I agree [17:12] the 6-month cycle is a burden if truth to be told. [17:12] at first, you think you have the whole time and suddenly, you find out that you don't have enough time so things at the last month will be really crazy [17:13] but I guess that is the fun part of it :) [17:13] I merely asked the question to see if there are known problems and if the CC can help with anything [17:13] yeah, that's right :) [17:13] what also worth to mention that a year ago, Ubuntu GNOME had no sub-teams but now, we have full set of sub-teams :) [17:14] amjjawad, did you see any enthusiasts in your user community who were interested in helping out in any way? [17:14] amjjawad: I enjoy Ubuntu gnome and want to that you and your team for putting the flavor together [17:14] dholbach, the CC people are doing an outstanding job so I'm 100& sure if there is anything, you won't be late :D [17:15] dholbach, one of my tasks is recruiting :D just like I did with Lubuntu [17:15] please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved [17:15] Has Ubuntu's (or Gnome's) release cadence crept slightly to make basing off newest Gnome in the future too difficult? [17:15] I keep this area as simple as possible and I always invite people to join and we're having many interested people to join and help :D [17:16] cprofitt, thanks a lot :) glad you like our system :D [17:16] that looks very nice [17:16] are you going to have a session at Ubuntu Open Summit next week? :) [17:16] by the way, I also applied for GNOME membership and got it :D [17:16] * mhall119 hugs dholbach for asking that :) [17:16] mhall119, ^ I thought you'd plug this much earlier :-) [17:16] Sure, that would be a pleasure. Is this going to be on Google hangout? [17:16] dholbach: I was being patient ;) [17:17] haha [17:17] mhall119, that'd be a first [17:17] amjjawad: yes, Google+ on-air hangout with questions over IRC [17:17] Nice :D [17:17] I always enjoy that with balloons [17:17] amjjawad: there are 3 tracks that might be of interest to you guys: [17:17] amjjawad, yes, all sessions are hangouts and you can either (or both) do a demo session or a planning session - as you like it - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/05/28/calling-for-ubuntu-online-summit-sessions/ has all the details [17:17] and it's been awhile since I have done one [17:17] 1) Ubuntu Development: where you can talk about how Ubuntu GNOME is put together, make plans for the 14.10 release, etc [17:18] 2) Community: Where you can tell people how and where to get involved [17:18] I've been sick lately and so weak so didn't catch up with all my emails. However, I'm charing now so should be back to my full power again hopefully soon :D [17:18] amjjawad: glad you're on the mend [17:18] 3) Users: Where you can show off your work, tell people the benefits of it, share tips and tricks to make using it easier/more productive, etc [17:18] we would very much like to get more Users track sessions in [17:19] pleia2, hi and thanks :) I'm trying to be back to action asap :D [17:19] amjjawad, excellent - good to hear your well again [17:19] maybe a demo session and some public planning at UOS will attract some more helpers to the team :) [17:19] mhall119, I'm not 100% sure about #1 but #2 and #3 look very interesting :) [17:20] dholbach, thanks a lot :) you have been a great help before with something related to Lubuntu [17:20] and all of you are great people if truth to be told [17:20] amjjawad: we would love to have them, UOS is next week though so we'll need to get them confirmed quickly, do you think you can pull some strings within the Ubuntu GNOME developers and community to see who could run them? [17:20] dholbach, yes, we're planning to change our website, and focus on the look and feel this release and also carry on with inviting more people to join us [17:21] amjjawad: http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ has instructions for proposing the session, or you can ask dholbach, pleia2 or myself for help if you need it [17:21] mhall119, sure thing, how much time do I have? 2-3 days? [17:21]