[04:17] <Noskcaj> Any idea which patch for session i should take for upower 0.99?
[04:17] <Noskcaj> The upstream bug has 4 different ones
[07:33] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i'd say wait a bit, let's ask around
[07:34] <ochosi> Noskcaj: in case i forget, please add it to the meeting agenda for the next meeting
[07:35] <ochosi> pleia2: please announce the next meeting asap, thanks! :)
[07:35] <elfy> ochosi: hi - I thought you'd run away :)
[07:35] <ochosi> yeah, i have to now, in fact
[07:35] <elfy> bye
[07:36] <pleia2> oh bother, right
[07:36] <pleia2> same time as this week, I'll announce momentarily
[07:36] <ochosi> this is a bit of a terrible week for me
[07:36] <elfy> I'd noticed :)
[07:36] <ochosi> but i'll be back on sunday/monday
[07:36] <elfy> we all get them 
[07:45] <ochosi> anyway, let's get things a bit on track until the next meeting
[07:45] <ochosi> have a nice day, folks!
[07:45] <pleia2> oh bother, the summit
[07:46] <elfy> monday perhaps 
[07:46] <elfy> bbl
[07:46] <pleia2> oh wait, it ends at 2000 anyway
[07:46] <pleia2> see you guys
[07:47] <ochosi> hm, they want a panel for "favours"...
[07:47] <ochosi> :p
[07:47] <ochosi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-June/010244.html
[07:47] <ochosi> i'm not entirely sure we need a panel
[07:47] <ochosi> if you guys think otherwise, let me know
[07:48] <ochosi> bbl
[07:48] <pleia2> no
[07:48]  * elfy is no too
[07:48] <pleia2> the timing of this summit is a bit silly for us, we've already done plany things ;)
[07:48] <elfy> the timing of this summit is a bit silly for everyone, we've already done plany things ;)
[07:48] <pleia2> yeah, that
[07:48] <elfy> fixed that for you :p
[07:49] <elfy> work calls - cya :)
[07:49] <pleia2> hehe
[07:53] <ochosi> Unit193: before i forget, please fill in your TZ here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders
[07:53]  * pleia2 fixes her name too
[07:54] <Unit193> Actual or one I go by? ;)
[07:54] <Unit193> Sure.
[07:54]  * pleia2 hits save
[07:54] <pleia2> Unit193: all yours
[07:54] <Unit193> Danke.
[07:55] <pleia2> ok, maybe I go sleepies now
[08:01] <Unit193> I put mine in standard, no DST.
[08:54] <ali1234> ochosi: i think we should do a panel at UOS
[09:22] <Noskcaj> Did we need to sru the xfpm patch i enabled a few days ago?
[09:38] <brainwash> Noskcaj: which patch?
[09:39] <Noskcaj> 10_inhibit_logind.patch
[09:40] <brainwash> right, we want that
[09:40] <brainwash> but doesn't a sru report already exist?
[09:40] <Noskcaj> idk
[09:40] <Noskcaj> it was done while i was away
[09:40] <brainwash> it's not in trusty-proposed yet
[09:40] <brainwash> mmh
[09:41] <brainwash> I did not follow the status of this, actually thought that it was already officially fixed/released
[09:42] <brainwash> so backport it please :)
[09:46] <brainwash> strange, didn't people test 1.2.0-3ubuntu5 and confirmed that it solves the issue?
[09:46] <brainwash> but only ubuntu6 applies the patch correctly
[09:48] <brainwash> ah, most people used the xubuntu ppa
[09:52] <gry> what is sru?
[09:56] <brainwash> gry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:56] <brainwash> Noskcaj: does ubuntu sync from debian experimental?
[09:56] <gry> ok
[09:57] <Noskcaj> brainwash, not automatically, but we can
[09:57] <brainwash> https://packages.debian.org/experimental/xfce4-appfinder
[09:57] <brainwash> I guess we want that at some point before 14.10
[09:57] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I've got to turn my pc off now, but you can sync it by test building in a PPA or chroot, the running "requestsync xfce4-appfinder -d experimental"
[09:58] <Noskcaj> g'night
[09:58] <brainwash> ah, ok
[09:58] <brainwash> good night
[10:49] <bluesabre> brainwash, Noskcaj, it's in utopic, doing the sru paperwork now
[10:50] <bluesabre> haven't had a lot of online time lately
[11:00] <bluesabre> will try to get the backport packages in here today...
[11:00] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1326741
[11:00] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1326740
[11:01] <bluesabre> brb
[11:03] <Unit193> Man, that's a few (including lightdm-gtk-greeter and menulibre...)
[11:29] <bluesabre> yeah, got some uploads to do when I get home
[11:29] <bluesabre> I think I'm just going to rebuild the greeter package
[11:29] <bluesabre> since my uploaded one seems to fail
[11:34] <qwebirc687521> bluesabre, as you're talking about it, my greeter completely blew out yesterday on my utopic box
[11:34] <bluesabre> Unit193, how can I view the contents of trusty-proposed?
[11:39] <bluesabre> hm, marked as fixed, but not in proposed
[11:39] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[11:39] <bluesabre> bbl
[18:59] <elfy> hey mhall119 :p
[19:00] <mhall119> hey elfy
[19:00] <mhall119> had to reboot my always-on IRC box
[19:00] <elfy> :)
[19:03] <RobertJDohnert> Anything new going on fellas
[19:03] <RobertJDohnert> WTF is a Utopic Unicorn
[19:07] <Unit193> !utopic
[20:09] <ochosi> evening everyone
[20:10] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> hey ho
[20:11] <shadeslayer> any devs around?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> and anyone interested in having a session about xubuntu @ UOS?
[20:12] <ochosi> depends on what you want/need, i guess
[20:12] <shadeslayer> specifically for the ubuntu development track
[20:12] <ochosi> well, i'm fairly +0, but ali1234 said he would be interested
[20:12] <shadeslayer> ooh
[20:13] <shadeslayer> ali1234: give me a ping, or better yet, propose a session
[20:13] <ochosi> frankly i'm not sure, the thing is that in the past UOS didn't seem like we'd get much cooperation going between us and others
[20:13] <shadeslayer> http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/
[20:13] <elfy> and times were awful
[20:13] <ochosi> it seemed like holding a team meeting, but in a larger public
[20:13] <ochosi> if you know what i mean
[20:14] <shadeslayer> ochosi: I think this is a pretty good platform to bring it up
[20:14] <ochosi> bring what up?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> co operation between you and others as you mentioned it above?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> plus, could you elaborate on what kind of co operation?
[20:20] <ochosi> shadeslayer: sry, was afk for a minute there...
[20:20] <ochosi> well we don't really have that many overlapping topics with other parts/flavors
[20:21] <ochosi> i mean this has been a recurring theme and i've talked about it with others
[20:21] <ochosi> but solely considering what would bring xubuntu forward, that is primarily more contributors
[20:21] <ochosi> (at least from my pov)
[20:22] <ochosi> and a real UDS with xubuntu contributors or team members meeting up, that would maybe also help
[20:33] <ochosi> i'm fine with any xubuntu related session though
[20:34] <ochosi> just feel a bit "out of ideas" in that respect
[20:36] <Aurvandill> hello everyone
[20:37] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:47] <RobertJDohnert> Hello
[20:48] <knome> ochosi, there was some discussion about a "panel" for all flavor leads
[20:49] <knome> ochosi, it's even landed on the development list, which you hopefully read ;)
[20:50] <ochosi> knome: yes, i did see that, but the inquiry above was a different topic
[20:50] <ochosi> haven't been able to take care of a lot of things this week
[20:50] <knome> ochosi, well, yeah, i guess..
[20:51]  * knome was at the summer cottage as well
[20:51] <knome> and being lazy all around
[20:51] <knome> it's too hot in here!
[20:52] <ochosi> knome: also, if you had read the backlog of this channel, you'd know i have read it, just haven't had time to reply
[20:53] <knome> ;)=
[20:53] <knome> i said i was being lazy!
[20:53] <knome> plus, i wasn't highlighter
[20:53] <knome> *d
[20:53] <Unit193> I read it twice, once to approve, once when it hit the list.
[20:53] <knome> lol
[20:53] <ochosi> anyway, i'm still +0 on it
[20:53] <knome> congrats
[20:54] <ochosi> i don't see the RL benefit of it
[20:54] <Unit193> knome: Installed the build-deps for xubuntu-docs and pulled it on another computer, same problem.  Re-created the chroot and it still passed...
[20:54] <knome> if you can make it, i would +1 the idea
[20:54] <knome> Unit193, uhm
[20:54] <Unit193> So yeah...
[20:54] <knome> i might look at it today.
[20:55] <Unit193> knome: That's just the thing, it's something "locally" since it builds fine in a chroot, but it doesn't on two test systems I have.  There may not be something for you to fix or look at, just means I can't check to see if the docs validate as often.
[20:56] <ochosi> knome: if you can explain to me what the +1 is for exactly..?
[20:57] <Unit193> For you doing it?
[20:57] <ochosi> yeah
[20:58] <ochosi> actually i might've misread the proposal, it doesn't say "team leads only", but rather one session per flavor
[20:58] <ochosi> and the latter i'm not sure we really need
[20:59] <knome> ochosi, +1 for you attending the "flavor leads panel"
[21:02] <ochosi> yeah, but i didn't read about that. only this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-June/010244.html
[21:03] <knome> ah, oh
[21:03] <knome> yeah, then i've just fatally misread
[21:04] <knome> maybe propose an all flavors Q&A session instead.
[21:04] <knome> considering the online summit now has a completely different audience than UDS
[21:05] <ochosi> all flavors QA? you mean users can ask questions about all flavors?
[21:05] <ochosi> that sounds chaotic to my ears
[21:05] <knome> thus, killing UDS as we know it for good, and just making it another, bland, "canoncial communicates with the community" event, where canonical employees tell what canonical will do in the next 6 months
[21:06] <knome> i don't think xubuntu would warrant our own 30/60 minute Q&A session with no prepared "speak out" material
[21:06] <ochosi> yeah, but we don't really have that many plans for the upcoming release
[21:06] <ochosi> so what's there to tell
[21:06] <ochosi> that'd be the stuff i'd presume users are interested in
[21:06] <knome> no, that's why i'm not proposing a "we'll tell you things" session, but a Q&A
[21:06] <elfy> trouble with this is it's late for the final planning
[21:07] <ochosi> (read: users who are interested in participating in this online event, which is fairly geeky)
[21:07] <knome> elfy, i'm not proposing a planning/brainstorming session either
[21:07] <knome> ochosi, well they want to make it less geeky.
[21:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Are we supposed to talk about the remaining proposals?  I know of 3 remaining.
[21:08] <ochosi> Unit193: which ones?
[21:08] <elfy> sorry knome - getting tired and assuming people are psychic - I meant the planning for this UOS is late
[21:08] <knome> elfy, yeah.
[21:08] <Unit193> elfy: Mhmm, less and less important.
[21:08] <knome> elfy, but otoh, a Q&A session doesn't need planning. just "be there"
[21:08] <ochosi> yup
[21:08] <ochosi> i meant: Unit193: +1 :)
[21:09] <elfy> Unit193: the cynic in me feels that - but I don't think it's actually the case :)
[21:09] <knome> i do agree the online summit is now even less relevant for us.
[21:09] <ochosi> yeah, having a meeting where all of our team members are there has more real benefit
[21:09] <knome> that doesn't mean i think we should be absent.
[21:09] <elfy> I got asked to do something QA ish - told balloons I will next time 
[21:09] <knome> if they really have one meeting for the release team/planning stuff, that's *kind of* useful
[21:10] <knome> but i'm not sure because it's this late in the cycle and all the "move around the milestones" stuff has already been done
[21:10] <elfy> and likely to be at a time to suit workers - meaning that people elsewhere will be doing their own work
[21:13] <knome> yep
[21:15] <elfy> hi tgm4883 
[21:15] <tgm4883> hi elfy 
[21:15] <tgm4883> so just to reiterate my question
[21:15] <tgm4883> Just updated to 14.04 and I noticed that the startup screen (plymouth?) looks great even when using proprietary drivers. I'm trying to track down what I might need to look at to get ours (Mythbuntu) to look great too. As it stands, when using nvidia's proprietary drivers on Mythbuntu, plymouth falls back to a text only startup screen
[21:15] <elfy> I'd love to know what you've got that makes plymouth look good with a prop driver :)
[21:15] <Unit193> s/with.*//
[21:16] <Unit193> tgm4883: So, question from #xubuntu ?
[21:16] <elfy> because it doesn't here 
[21:16] <tgm4883> odd
[21:16] <tgm4883> let me ssh to my home machine and get that config
[21:16] <tgm4883> FWIW, I noticed it on 13.10 on my kubuntu laptop as well
[21:16] <tgm4883> but let me grab that config
[21:16] <elfy> looks *kind of ok*ish - but only because I fiddled with the grub file
[21:17] <elfy> but it's not good
[21:17] <Unit193> ^ +1
[21:17] <tgm4883> elfy: well ours (mythbuntu) falls back to a text only startup screen that says "Ubuntu 14.04"
[21:17] <elfy> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash init=/lib/systemd/systemd vga=798"
[21:18] <elfy> mine does without the vga=798
[21:18] <Unit193> That's what I'm asking about, yes.
[21:18] <tgm4883> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[21:19] <tgm4883> you want the whole file?
[21:19] <tgm4883> it's nothing special and I didn't have to tweak it
[21:22] <tgm4883> So this system that it is on has on board graphics (HD4000 I think) and a NVidia GTX 760, but I'm definitely hooked up to the GTX card (I believe I also disabled the onboard graphics in UEFI)
[21:25] <Unit193> So yeah, not sure.  My only guess is checking /var/log/boot.log when you boot the myth system (may have to remove 'quiet' to get enough information.)  I don't know the plymouth-logo's script.
[21:27] <ochosi> knome: do you happen to know when mr_pouit became debian liaison? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders
[21:28] <tgm4883> Unit193: elfy actually, it looks like it's because of UEFI. I was just talking with superm1 and he says UEFI comes with a GOP driver which "it basically allows a higher resolution framebuffer"
[21:28] <elfy> ok - that clears that up then :)
[21:28] <tgm4883> Which I also have UEFI on my laptop, which is why I thought it was something that kubuntu fixed as well 
[21:28] <ochosi> that would be the first good thing i hear about UEFI :)
[21:28] <Unit193> Ah, was wondering if UEFI was doing voodoo there.
[21:28] <elfy> ochosi: lol
[21:29] <Unit193> tgm4883: Well at least now you know how you can kind of fix it for non-UEFI systems.
[21:29] <tgm4883> Unit193: yep, good to know. Thanks
[21:30] <knome> ochosi, no, as i don't know when he became the project lead :)
[21:30] <Unit193> elfy: Yeah, still doesn't fire soon enough for me either.
[21:36] <Unit193> knome: But yes, if you can ../scripts/translate.sh -g  from xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/, tarball the resulting pt/ and fi/ dirs up and link me, that'd be helpful.
[21:39] <elfy> night all
[22:07] <ochosi> night everyone