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| noodles775 | jcastro: Hi! Could you schedule my "Simpler re-usable charms with ansible" session when you get a chance? Weds 14UTC would suite me best (looks like DevOps1 is free then): http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/michael.nelson/meetings | 07:32 |
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| thumper | hi stub, got a few minutes? | 09:50 |
| stub | thumper: sure | 09:54 |
| * thumper is trying to get the storage subordinate working | 09:58 | |
| thumper | stub: any idea what values I should put in the block-storage-broker config for endpoint? | 09:59 |
| thumper | stub: using the default ec2 | 09:59 |
| thumper | us-east-1 according to the config | 09:59 |
| thumper | s3.amazonaws.com? | 10:00 |
| stub | thumper: I don't know EC2 sorry. | 10:00 |
| thumper | hmm... ok | 10:00 |
| thumper | stub: any idea what chad's irc nick is? | 10:00 |
| thumper | stub: the default precise postgresql charm now supports the storage subordinate? | 10:01 |
| * thumper tries the deployer config he set up | 10:01 | |
| stub | csmith isn't around, but our we-bops or landscape could help | 10:03 |
| stub | thumper: yes, the default precise postgresql charm supports the storage subordinate (and only the storage subordinate) | 10:03 |
| stub | trusty... not sure if that is live yet (in which case, I should push) or still being setup | 10:03 |
| thumper | kk | 10:04 |
| thumper | yeah, gone for precise | 10:04 |
| thumper | likely to shoehorn everything onto machine 0 :-) | 10:04 |
| thumper | hmm... endpoint is wrong | 10:15 |
| * thumper sighs | 10:21 | |
| thumper | bugger | 10:22 |
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| natefinch | marcoceppi_: are you up this early? | 10:35 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: I am! | 10:36 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: cool | 10:36 |
| marcoceppi_ | (un)fortunately? | 10:36 |
| marcoceppi_ | what's up? | 10:36 |
| natefinch | hah | 10:36 |
| natefinch | I'm writing a charm! WHich means I'll have a lot of questions :) | 10:36 |
| natefinch | the charmtool outputs a README.ex .... if I make that README.md will it still work? | 10:37 |
| marcoceppi_ | Fantastic! | 10:37 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: well, it "will" work but you'll get a bunch of proof errors about it being boilerplate | 10:37 |
| marcoceppi_ | also, for the sake of the rest of this conversation, what verions charm tools are you running? charm version should tell you | 10:37 |
| natefinch | I just mean, if I change the extension it'll still show up. I'll modify the contents | 10:38 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: oh, yeah, that's all you need to do | 10:38 |
| marcoceppi_ | in fact, proof will complain if you have a .ex instead of a .md in your charm | 10:38 |
| natefinch | ok | 10:38 |
| natefinch | charm versoin says it's not a subcommand | 10:38 |
| natefinch | version that is | 10:38 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: you're not using the ppa version | 10:38 |
| marcoceppi_ | safe yourself a lot of time | 10:38 |
| marcoceppi_ | add ppa:juju/stable | 10:39 |
| marcoceppi_ | install charm-tools from there | 10:39 |
| marcoceppi_ | its' the differences between 1.0.0 and 1.2.10 are huge | 10:40 |
| marcoceppi_ | including the readme.ex going from RST to MD | 10:40 |
| marcoceppi_ | so hopefully you haven't written too much code | 10:40 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: barely any :) | 10:41 |
| marcoceppi_ | whew, I'd go so far as to saying once updated, just run charm create again | 10:41 |
| marcoceppi_ | you'll get like an icon template a better readme template, better metadata templates | 10:41 |
| marcoceppi_ | better boilerplates | 10:41 |
| marcoceppi_ | and better proof command | 10:41 |
| marcoceppi_ | basically, better everything | 10:41 |
| natefinch | awesome, | 10:41 |
| natefinch | I'll do that once apt-get update finishes | 10:42 |
| marcoceppi_ | \o/ | 10:42 |
| natefinch | I wish adding a ppa always ran update-get update, at least to get the stuff from the ppa, sheesh | 10:42 |
| natefinch | btw, is there a way to have different charms for different architectures? I want to make the charm in Go, but you have to have a different executable for each architecture | 10:43 |
| marcoceppi_ | yeah, like to a partial apt-get update for that source to get the delta | 10:43 |
| marcoceppi_ | that's, no - not at the moment | 10:44 |
| marcoceppi_ | You could just compile the hooks during the install hook | 10:44 |
| natefinch | yeah | 10:44 |
| marcoceppi_ | to make the runtime for the hooks at deploy time | 10:44 |
| marcoceppi_ | but that seems, heavy | 10:44 |
| marcoceppi_ | otherwise you'd have to package /hooks/$ARCH/<file> and just build a light weight dispatcher for each in /hooks/ | 10:44 |
| natefinch | yeah, that's what I was thinking. Also kinda heavy, since you'd need an executable per architecture | 10:45 |
| marcoceppi_ | but the execs wouldn't be very big | 10:45 |
| marcoceppi_ | it's a trade off, "JIT"-ish compilation, or possible missing archs | 10:46 |
| natefinch | go execs are bigger than normal, like 4 megs generally | 10:46 |
| marcoceppi_ | could combine the two ideas | 10:46 |
| natefinch | how bad is it to have an architecture-specific charm? | 10:46 |
| marcoceppi_ | pretty bad considering it doesn't exist yet | 10:46 |
| natefinch | so.... here's the thing. I'm writing a charm for discourse | 10:46 |
| natefinch | discourse says it requires 64 bit ubuntu | 10:46 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: https://github.com/discourse/discourse_docker | 10:46 |
| marcoceppi_ | well, it's a support requirement. I definitely have run discourse on i386 | 10:47 |
| natefinch | *nod* I know, just sayin' | 10:47 |
| marcoceppi_ | could do both, have hooks/$arch where arch is [amd64, i386] then have the install hook attempt to compile the src hooks if the arch isn't pre-loaded | 10:47 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: that's not a bad idea | 10:48 |
| marcoceppi_ | so, you could have arch dependant but that's going to be sad news for people running power, arm, i386, etc | 10:48 |
| natefinch | yep | 10:48 |
| marcoceppi_ | and we try to avoid as many sad pandas as possible | 10:48 |
| marcoceppi_ | can you compile go for, say i386 on an amd64 machine? | 10:49 |
| natefinch | yes... cross compile works 100% awesome | 10:49 |
| natefinch | except for power which requires gccgo | 10:50 |
| marcoceppi_ | interesting. So, you /could/ and I mean it'd be beat up pretty badly in review, have it just for amd64 and provide instructions or a simple make file for people to pull the charm, build the hooks in their arch of choice, then deploy local | 10:50 |
| natefinch | not my fault juju keeps supporting all these wacky-ass platforms :) | 10:50 |
| marcoceppi_ | hah, well we strongly frown on provider specific charms, I think only one has made it past review | 10:51 |
| marcoceppi_ | so I can only imagine (well I can imagine, actually) we'd really beat up a charm that only supported an architecture | 10:51 |
| natefinch | heh | 10:52 |
| marcoceppi_ | but, I wouldn't let that slow you down | 10:52 |
| natefinch | yeah, but it would work on every provider! And you're not supposed to care about the OS | 10:52 |
| natefinch | just sayin' :) | 10:52 |
| * marcoceppi_ places head on his hands, and looks dreamily in to the distance | 10:53 | |
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| natefinch | what is charm home? | 10:56 |
| marcoceppi_ | in relation to? | 10:56 |
| natefinch | charm create | 10:57 |
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| natefinch | also, are there no help docs? charm help create doesn't seem to do anything | 10:57 |
| marcoceppi_ | ah, that's just the directory you want the charm to be created in, for example `charm create foo /tmp/baz` will give you /tmp/baz/foo | 10:57 |
| marcoceppi_ | charm create -h | 10:57 |
| natefinch | ahh | 10:58 |
| * marcoceppi_ needs to make a help helper | 10:58 | |
| natefinch | I saw the -h under charm create usage, but it didn't say what -h was for, so I didn't realize it was for help :) | 10:58 |
| * natefinch has chicken and egg problems | 10:59 | |
| natefinch | gah... I want a way to spit out the charm in *this* directory, not a subdirectory :/ | 11:01 |
| natefinch | apologies for the complain-a-thon :) | 11:01 |
| marcoceppi_ | omit the charmhome | 11:01 |
| marcoceppi_ | oh | 11:01 |
| marcoceppi_ | you mean like, mkdir -p /charm/trusty/my-charm; cd $_; charm create . | 11:02 |
| * marcoceppi_ narrows eyes at the complain-a-thon | 11:03 | |
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| natefinch | exacrtly... I expected charm create . to create it *here* not in a subdirectory. If I wanted a subdirectory, I'd do charm create ./foo | 11:04 |
| * natefinch does charm create ../ | 11:05 | |
| natefinch | ...which doesn't work because the directory already exists | 11:05 |
| marcoceppi_ | bugs are "welcome" | 11:06 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: point me the way :) | 11:06 |
| marcoceppi_ | though, I'm going to say this is more the operator cutting himself with paper | 11:06 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: http://launchpad.net/charm-tools :D | 11:06 |
| natefinch | I dunno... there's ought to be SOME way to dump a charm in the current directory | 11:07 |
| marcoceppi_ | I can add a --natefinch-really-wanted-this flag :P | 11:09 |
| natefinch | it's like git clone ... git clone juju creates a juju directory here, if you instead do git clone juju ., it dumps the repo in the current directory, and if you do git clone juju ./foo, it creates the foo subdirectory and dumps the files in there. | 11:10 |
| * marcoceppi_ nods | 11:11 | |
| marcoceppi_ | we can make charm create smarter | 11:11 |
| natefinch | marcoceppi_: btw, I love the charm tools logo. That's clever. | 11:17 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: hah, thanks! | 11:17 |
| natefinch | btw, what does this mean: Failed to find discourse in apt cache, creating an empty charm instead. | 11:18 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: it attempts to look the charm name up in apt, if it finds it charm create will pre-fill metadata.yaml with some details | 11:19 |
| marcoceppi_ | it's something that was moved over from the original charm-tools. i'll probably drop it eventually because it just flat out doesn't work on mac or windows machines | 11:19 |
| marcoceppi_ | and it's not a huge value add | 11:19 |
| natefinch | yeah.... I could see it being something that happens with a flag, like --apt or something, if you know that's what you want it to do, but I could see names that happen to match things in apt that would not be the correct behavior | 11:20 |
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| natefinch | the instructions to install docker involve piping the output of wget https://get.docker.io to sh... seems legit | 12:11 |
| marcoceppi_ | natefinch: yeah, I hate those. Same with RVM | 12:17 |
| marcoceppi_ | there's not much you can really do. Security is a thing fo the pass when you got a `wget | sudo sh -` one liner | 12:18 |
| marcoceppi_ | s/pass/past/ | 12:18 |
| natefinch | yep | 12:18 |
| natefinch | le sigh | 12:18 |
| lazyPower | security? thats still a thing? | 12:43 |
| marcoceppi_ | no, nooo... | 12:45 |
| * marcoceppi_ pulls the wool over lazyPower's eyes | 12:45 | |
| lazyPower | ahhh ignorance is bliss | 12:46 |
| * hazmat adds some bliss to morning coffee | 12:49 | |
| hazmat | natefinch, you can also grab from their deb repo.. | 12:49 |
| marcoceppi_ | that's a way friendlier idea | 12:51 |
| natefinch | hazmat: that sounds much nicer | 13:19 |
| hazmat | natefinch yeah.. its wget | gpg --verify --sign | sudo sh - one liner ;-) | 13:30 |
| lazyPower | haha | 13:33 |
| lazyPower | #trolledhard | 13:33 |
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| mhshams_ | hi, got some basic questions about juju, i hope here is the right place to ask. | 14:17 |
| mhshams_ | Does juju provides an API, (REST for example), so that one can use it from another application ? | 14:17 |
| marcoceppi_ | mhshams_: yes, it's a websocket | 14:19 |
| mhshams_ | @marcoceppi : where can I found some document or other info about it ? | 14:21 |
| marcoceppi_ | mhshams_: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/doc/api.txt | 14:22 |
| marcoceppi_ | Not the friendliest of docs | 14:22 |
| marcoceppi_ | mhshams_: if you're using Python, there's a jujuclient python package which does all that ofr you | 14:22 |
| mhshams_ | @marcoceppi thanks for the hints. | 14:38 |
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| jamespage | someone was asking about the ceph charms and using different networks for client access vs cluster resyncs | 14:57 |
| jamespage | I have some branches ready for review that implement this if anyone wants to test | 14:58 |
| lazyPower | designated: ^ | 14:58 |
| marcoceppi_ | jamespage: ah, awesome, yeah I told himto ask on the list | 14:58 |
| marcoceppi_ | oh good he's around! | 14:58 |
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| nuclearbob | can anybody here help me with something in the juju-tools branch? | 15:20 |
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| marcoceppi_ | nuclearbob: juju-tools? | 15:31 |
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| nuclearbob | marcoceppi_, sorry, got distracted. Can I use canonistack-sshuttle from a canonistack instance? That seems to be causing me problems | 15:54 |
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| rbasak | jamespage: looks like there are about ~21 bugs for Trusty SRU 1.18.1 -> 1.18.4. | 16:24 |
| rbasak | jamespage: do we want to individually do SRU paperwork for each of those then? | 16:24 |
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| designated | jamespage, where can i find those charms you wrote? | 16:38 |
| jamespage | designated, one sec | 16:41 |
| jamespage | designated, top three branches here - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page | 16:41 |
| jamespage | designated, I have further work todo to enable all things that relate to ceph to use the public network addresses | 16:42 |
| jamespage | but that should give you a feel on what's possible | 16:42 |
| jamespage | rbasak, I'd really hope we don't need todo that | 16:43 |
| designated | jamespage, thank you | 17:01 |
| marcoceppi_ | jose: I need ubuntu on air stuff setup | 17:34 |
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| jose | marcoceppi_: I'm here now, what's up? | 18:32 |
| lazyPower | jose: troubleshooting I on charm school schedule today | 18:34 |
| lazyPower | can we get UoA setup for it? | 18:34 |
| jose | lazyPower: yeah, I know | 18:34 |
| jose | erm, you want me to host the hangout? | 18:34 |
| jose | sure, I can do that | 18:34 |
| lazyPower | i know nothing of this UoA sorcery | 18:34 |
| lazyPower | you are the holder of the magic beans on that project sir | 18:34 |
| * mbruzek wants to learn | 18:34 | |
| jose | lemme grab a quick snack and I'll be around | 18:35 |
| mbruzek | I want to learn how to do the UoA | 18:35 |
| jose | you gotta have some secret codes for that ;) | 18:35 |
| lazyPower | jose: we g2g? | 18:50 |
| jose | lazyPower: I was having lunch, almost ready | 18:50 |
| mbruzek | Ubuntu on Air | 18:50 |
| mbruzek | With Jose ! | 18:51 |
| mbruzek | we need a url | 18:52 |
| marcoceppi_ | mbruzek: looks like lazyPower is doing this one solo ;) | 18:57 |
| lazyPower | marcoceppi_: you got an invite | 18:57 |
| marcoceppi_ | lazyPower: can you pm me the URL, it's not ringing | 18:57 |
| axisys | is there a view only url? | 18:58 |
| lazyPower | axisys: ubuntuonair.com | 18:58 |
| axisys | http://ubuntuonair.com/ is showing the one from yesterday | 18:58 |
| axisys | I guess it will refresh when ready? | 18:59 |
| lazyPower | You will need to refresh the page, but it will update with teh current session when its active. | 18:59 |
| axisys | I see it now.. thanks | 18:59 |
| mbruzek | marcoceppi_, are you OK? | 19:01 |
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| lazyPower | stream is live | 19:03 |
| axisys | yep | 19:03 |
| lazyPower | Feel free to ask questions! | 19:03 |
| arosales | stream looks good | 19:03 |
| axisys | I had to run this to make juju lxc work | 19:16 |
| axisys | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/allomov/11373534/raw/bd430c2c92116340f2fa5d124b769c555946609d/solution.sh | 19:16 |
| axisys | on Apr 28 | 19:16 |
| lazyPower | axisys interesting. what was the use case that installing juju-local didn't resolve? | 19:16 |
| axisys | right | 19:17 |
| axisys | I am going to try again after this hangout | 19:17 |
| axisys | with may be newer juju | 19:17 |
| axisys | referring to this thread | 19:18 |
| axisys | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2014-April/003749.html | 19:18 |
| axisys | so what does bootstrap do? do you need to run bootstrap before doing any juju <environment> ? | 19:22 |
| mbruzek | https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-LXC.html | 19:23 |
| axisys | would be nice if you can start a hadoop local? | 19:25 |
| axisys | I was never been successful | 19:25 |
| axisys | here is my thread from apr | 19:27 |
| axisys | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2014-April/003737.html | 19:27 |
| axisys | I have 8G ram | 19:27 |
| axisys | and 1TB disk | 19:27 |
| axisys | running trusty | 19:27 |
| lazyPower | asanjar: axisys was asking about hadoop on local | 19:28 |
| asanjar | axisys: how may I help | 19:28 |
| jose | axisys: that's a fixed bug | 19:28 |
| axisys | ok, I will try again.. thanks for your help | 19:30 |
| axisys | good to know.. I use vagrant a lot | 19:31 |
| lazyPower | Do any of our viewers have any burning issues they've run into that they would like to see how a ~charmer would debug? | 19:43 |
| axisys | thanks a lot! | 19:52 |
| lazyPower | Thanks everyone for attending. Great success of a charm school today. | 20:02 |
| mbruzek | jose you still there? | 20:04 |
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| dpb1 | Hi -- I'm trying to give a user permission to bootstrap and destroy a local env through sudo. what command do I need to allow? | 21:05 |
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| roadmr | dpb1: hm, my tests show that for the initial bootstrap, juju basically does "sudo /bin/bash -s"; so maybe you'll have to allow bash invocation like this | 21:17 |
| roadmr | dpb1: given that, the user will essentially be able to do anything as root, so you may as well give him access to everything I think :/ | 21:17 |
| dpb1 | roadmr: :( | 21:18 |
| roadmr | dpb1: I may be wrong, though, my investigation was a bit primitive | 21:18 |
| dpb1 | roadmr: ok, thanks. I will probably go another route then. :0 | 21:18 |
| roadmr | dpb1: (I just did a juju bootstrap and looked in /var/log/auth.log to see which commands get run by sudo) | 21:18 |
| dpb1 | roadmr: thankfully the jenv files are portable (with some catches), so that works | 21:18 |
| roadmr | dpb1: cool :) sorry I couldn't provide a nicer answer | 21:19 |
| dpb1 | roadmr: np, appreciate the help | 21:19 |
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| themonk | where should i put lock file so that between restarts of lxc it will persist | 22:15 |
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| themonk | lazyPower: hi | 22:57 |
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