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| apachelogger | !find GLES2/gl2.h | 07:28 |
| ubottu | File GLES2/gl2.h found in emscripten, libcogl-gles2-dev, libgles2-mesa-dev, qt4-qmake, qt5-qmake | 07:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what are we sessioning about with kf5? | 07:29 |
| apachelogger | !find EGL/egl.h | 07:29 |
| ubottu | File EGL/egl.h found in emscripten, libegl1-mesa-dev | 07:29 |
| apachelogger | E: kapidox source: source-is-missing src/kapidox/data/htmlresource/jquery-2.1.0.min.js | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | :O | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | how does that even happen | 07:40 |
| yofel | someone thought: it's a text file so it counts as source? ^^ | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | well, eitherway, why is it missing | 07:42 |
| apachelogger | or how can something go missing? | 07:42 |
| yofel | not even git has the unminified js :( | 07:42 |
| yofel | oh fun, agateau added that | 07:42 |
| apachelogger | why would one have an uniminified version anyway | 07:43 |
| yofel | source means readable source, i.e. something that doesn't qualify as unmaintainble code ^^ | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | eh? | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | how would it check that? | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | and why | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | :O | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | wtf | 07:44 |
| yofel | iirc that really checks for the 'min' part in the filename | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | it's almost as if the lintian dev doesn't have anything else to do but lintian has all the useful stuff so he's adding important features like telling me whether I can read the javascript or not | 07:47 |
| agateau | yofel: I could keep the unminified js in the source code but then I would have to either minify it everytime someone generates a doc or at install time but that would mean removing the ability to run kgenapidox without installing it :/ | 07:57 |
| agateau | yofel: there is an interesting bit about jquery in Doxygen package, you may want to look at /usr/share/doc/doxygen/README.jquery | 07:58 |
| yofel | agateau: well, yeah, but they do ship the unminfied version in the source so they're fine | 08:03 |
| yofel | ScottK: do we need to fix ^ and would shipping both files be enough? | 08:03 |
| agateau | yofel: the difference is Doxygen is compiled so they do not need to support the "run without installing" use case | 08:04 |
| agateau | yofel: would it be enough to add the unminified file in the source, even if it is not used? | 08:05 |
| yofel | that's what I just asked scott, I'm not sure there | 08:05 |
| agateau | ok | 08:05 |
| agateau | I could also adjust the code so that installing kapidox would generate the minified file from the unminified file, while running from the source code would directly use the minified file | 08:07 |
| Riddell | agateau: yes adding the unminified source without build instructions should be fine as long as you would sensibly run the minify command manually and not through a build system | 08:46 |
| Riddell | nicer to have it included in the build system though | 08:47 |
| agateau | Riddell: not sure I understand the second part of your sentence | 08:47 |
| Riddell | agateau: GPL requires all build scripts to be included, if there's no build script then that's fine | 08:48 |
| agateau | how can it be fine to not ship a build script if it is required to include it? | 08:48 |
| Riddell | if it doesn't exist | 08:49 |
| Riddell | maybe you create that file by running a command by hand | 08:49 |
| Riddell | maco, valorie: gonnae tell your president to stay out of oor politics unless he wants to be re-colonised | 08:52 |
| valorie | what did he say? | 08:52 |
| * valorie calms the angry Scot | 08:52 | |
| Riddell | "Scottish independence: Barack Obama backs 'strong and united' UK" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27713327 | 08:53 |
| valorie | ooooo | 08:53 |
| valorie | silly Obama | 08:53 |
| valorie | the US president told reporters in Brussels the decision was "up to the people of Scotland". | 08:54 |
| valorie | he might have wanted to avoid the comparisons with the Crimea | 08:55 |
| valorie | although that is really not a comparison that can be made | 08:55 |
| Riddell | I don't see anything about Crimea | 08:55 |
| Riddell | he also said "the future of the UK is up to the people of Great Britain" which is just weird | 08:56 |
| valorie | yes, he should have said nothing about it IMO | 08:57 |
| valorie | not our business | 08:57 |
| * valorie leaves a great old video here and goes to bed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko | 09:01 | |
| valorie | best drummer *ever* | 09:01 |
| valorie | no invasions of angry Scots by morning, I hope..... | 09:01 |
| Riddell | no no, he should have said "we were free in 1776, what took the scots so long" :) | 09:01 |
| ScottK | yofel: Yes, you need to fix and shipping both files is enough. | 09:34 |
| * Riddell comes across a comparison of oxygen font and ubuntu font https://projects.kde.org/news/179 | 09:38 | |
| yofel | ScottK: ok thanks | 09:39 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 10:20 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: mind merging pykde4? | 10:26 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: No. Although when depends on if I fall asleep on the plane or not. | 10:46 |
| shadeslayer | ok :) | 10:46 |
| yofel | speaking of python: If you have using python for GUI apps, how about this? http://micropython.org/ :D | 10:48 |
| yofel | *hate | 10:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Minified JavaScript is definitely not the preferred form of modification, so it's not source. | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | neither is perl. | 10:49 |
| ScottK | agateau: As upstream it would be ideal for us (and Debian) if you could ship only the un-minified one in the source and then minify it as part of the build process. | 10:51 |
| ScottK | Perl is write only, so it's a bit special. | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | :@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | frameworks shit is driving me mad I tell ya | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | MAD | 10:56 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what's the status of that? can we start uploading KF5 packages to utopic today? | 10:59 |
| Riddell | ubiquity not working on today's daily-live, I wonder if I risk a dist-upgrade | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: shoudl be uploaded | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | or maybe ppa is hating me again | 11:09 |
| yofel | I see nothing for utopic | 11:10 |
| apachelogger | ah I should hit enter I guess | 11:10 |
| apachelogger | too many flipping terminals open really | 11:10 |
| yofel | ^^ | 11:10 |
| Riddell | we'll probably have to delete the trusty packages to get enough sapce | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | nah | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | oh | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | wgrant: can we please get a bump to 10 GiB for https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | or 5 would be enough as well I guess | 11:12 |
| yofel | should still have enough space for the upload I think, but we'll have to remove the trusty packages after that | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | or just get a space bump :S | 11:13 |
| yofel | well, if that takes too long I mean | 11:14 |
| yofel | err | 11:16 |
| yofel | no? | 11:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: why override that? seems pretty important | 11:16 |
| apachelogger | yes | 11:18 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Unless the source is really there, don't override that. | 11:18 |
| ScottK | It's an issue that should cause it to be rejected by the archive admins. | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | because it has no pointless whitespaces? | 11:20 |
| ScottK | That would be one way to look at it. For humans the white space isn't pointless. | 11:21 |
| yofel | because it's unreadable, and just because you can magically understand character garbage doesn't mean others can too | 11:21 |
| Riddell | it's not preferred modifiable form, so it's not allowed as source | 11:23 |
| apachelogger | so if I were to use shit variable names in code woud that code get rejected? | 11:25 |
| ScottK | Not if that's the actual source. | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | that makes 0 sense | 11:26 |
| ScottK | If you're using the machine readable copyright format it's really easy to fix using Files-Excluded. | 11:27 |
| yofel | from what I saw you can also put the source file in debian/missing-sources or so | 11:27 |
| Riddell | whatever your preferred modifiable form is that's fine, minified javascript is nobody's preferred modifiable form | 11:27 |
| snele | guys is 4.13.1 update coming anytime soon to trusty? | 11:29 |
| apachelogger | so, what if I had an editor that stored stuff in minified and expanded on its own? | 11:29 |
| yofel | snele: should be in -proposed unless it's still stuck | 11:29 |
| yofel | apachelogger: it's supposed to be readable even without $special_editor | 11:30 |
| snele | yofel: ok I will enable -proposed and give it a test. thanks | 11:30 |
| yofel | or I guess you could ship the editor with the source | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | yofel: right, so what if I used shit variable names in my code? | 11:30 |
| yofel | apachelogger: as scott said, if that's the actual source no issue. min.js has a source that it's minified from | 11:31 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: That doesn't make it source. If you could de-minify, you could include the results as source, but the minified one is still not preferred form for modification. | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | how do you know it's the actual source? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | "preferred modifiable form" is a key part of the GPL and of archive admin reviews, it shouldn't be a novelty to anyone involved in free software | 11:31 |
| ScottK | If it's minified, it's not. | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | right, so if I use shit variables | 11:32 |
| Riddell | that's your problem | 11:32 |
| yofel | snele: not yet in :/ | 11:32 |
| snele | yofel: yeah just saw that | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: how is that any different from not using any whitespaces | 11:33 |
| yofel | ScottK: could you look at sc 4.13.1 in trusty-proposed unapproved please? | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | this argument is yanked from someones ass I tell you | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | if I write javascript without whitespaces, will it get rejected? | 11:33 |
| yofel | if you have a source that has whitespaces, I would say yes | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | how do you know if I have a source that has whitespaces | 11:34 |
| ScottK | yofel: after the airplane takes off, if the WiFi works, and if I don't fall asleep, yes. | 11:34 |
| yofel | ok, thanks | 11:34 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, I might not, in which case I might not reject it, but if I can find a source from it I would | 11:35 |
| yofel | *for it | 11:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: if you can write javascript without whitespace I'd be amazed, but then you often do amaze me | 11:35 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: There was recently a huge debate about this in Debian. It's pretty well a closed issue. | 11:36 |
| ScottK | There is sometimes ambiguity about what's source, but I've yet to see minified JavaScript where it was at all uncertain. | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | sometimes? | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | the entire thing says preferred | 11:38 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 11:38 |
| apachelogger | I'd prefer it software to not have shitty variable names | 11:38 |
| ScottK | If I have a graphic file of some kind, it might have been made in gimp and there's a source. The gimp file (pcx, IIRC) might have been lost or not save and all you can do is bit edit the graphic file. | 11:40 |
| ScottK | If you have the pcx that's the source. If you don't then it's the png (or whatever). | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | no one would ever know | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | I could have made it from a svg for all you know, I could have made it in kolourpaint, imported the png into svg, exported to png, edited in gimp | 11:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. So for that kind of file it can be hard to tell. | 11:43 |
| apachelogger | I could write fancy fromatted javascript, minified, autoexpanded | 11:44 |
| apachelogger | you'd also never know | 11:44 |
| apachelogger | complete bullshit policy | 11:44 |
| yofel | FWIW: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/08/msg00365.html has pretty much the whole discussion in it already | 11:45 |
| ScottK | No. Minified JavaScript isn't one of those ambiguous cases. | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: you have autoexpanded code in the tar | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | you couldn't possibly tell whether that was autoexpanded or I whether I am terrible at code formatting | 11:46 |
| yofel | for that matter, shipping jars would be allowed too - you can make jars that can be cleanly decompiled | 11:47 |
| ScottK | Also related: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/04/msg00014.html | 11:47 |
| ScottK | No. Jars aren't allowed either. | 11:48 |
| yofel | right | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | yofel: that's not the same thing | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | I have a png | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | a run pngcrush on the png | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | that is now like minified js | 11:49 |
| ScottK | Gotta go. | 11:49 |
| yofel | have a nice trip :) | 11:49 |
| Riddell | you'd still modify that png fine | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: and you can't modify minified js? | 11:49 |
| Riddell | no, it's not the preferred form for modifications | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | it is still js? | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | just like the png is stilla png after pngcrush, it doesn't magically become an unmodifiable png | 11:50 |
| yofel | apachelogger: seriously, if you have a problem with this, take this up on debian-devel so the interpretation of the DFSG gets changed, until then it stays that most people believe that minified js is not the preferred form of modification | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | I have a problem with you people actually supporting that | 11:51 |
| yofel | well, then a pre-compiled bin is hex-editable as well, as I said that jars are editable too | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | yofel: my argument is that it is the same thing | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | it's still js, it's badly formatted js | 11:52 |
| yofel | so we need to draw *some* line in this very fuzzy definiton of source | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | it's js | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | I can edit with the same software I could edit js with | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | I can read it like I can read js | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | I can do everything I can do with js | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | but magically one is considered unacceptable and the other is not | 11:52 |
| yofel | right, and this was already discussed as there is some point in it. But if we *know* that there is a source for $js, then that source should still be included | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | and if I wrote the exactly same file originally without ever having used pointless whitespaces or \n it'd also be considered acceptable | 11:53 |
| yofel | go file a bug against lintian that the check is rubbish and should be removed | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | [13:51] <apachelogger> I have a problem with you people actually supporting that | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | if you say you support it because of lintian then I'll ask you to write a manpage for muon-discover please | 11:54 |
| yofel | If I see 2 js with the same content, and I want to edit it, and you give me the hard to read one, why would I not want the other one plesae? | 11:55 |
| yofel | apachelogger: missing manpage is not a DFSG issue | 11:55 |
| Riddell | I feel this discussion is no longer useful, you're against the consensus apachelogger | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 11:56 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I don't think that you're completely wrong, but Javascript is a shitpile of special cases sadly | 11:56 |
| yofel | if people would never have started minfying it we wouldn't have this talk | 11:56 |
| yofel | apachelogger: so, are you removing the override or should I? | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | I'll not | 11:58 |
| yofel | ok, removing | 11:58 |
| Riddell | more's the question, is agateau fixing upstream or should someone else? | 12:00 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am happy with adding an unminified jquery version upstream | 12:01 |
| Riddell | thanks agateau | 12:01 |
| agateau | Riddell: Assuming src/jquery contains the unminified version as well as this README: http://paste.kde.org/pbyepm4pm . Would it be good enough? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | agateau: yep | 12:15 |
| agateau | Riddell: done | 12:17 |
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| Riddell | sweet, a dist-upgrade to utopic works! | 12:21 |
| Riddell | deleted trusty packages from next PPA | 12:21 |
| yofel | dist-upgrade sure works, how does it run? ^^ | 12:22 |
| Riddell | much like trusty | 12:25 |
| yofel | sweet | 12:27 |
| Riddell | so blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.100.0_utopic.html | 12:35 |
| * Riddell uploads ecm | 12:40 | |
| ScottK | yofel: kde4libs for trusty needs a reupload with the SRU bug in debian/changelog | 12:52 |
| yofel | ScottK: ok, please reject then, I'll re-upload | 12:53 |
| ScottK | yofel: Already rejected. | 12:53 |
| yofel | thanks | 12:53 |
| yofel | Riddell: if you fix things in the PPA SRU packages, please merge your changes into the SRU changelog instead of adding new changelog entries | 12:55 |
| yofel | the upload script doesn't auto-merge that | 12:55 |
| yofel | Riddell: also, does the update for kubuntu_add_langpack_path.diff really need to be in trusty? | 12:57 |
| Riddell | yofel: it did but not now we've moved kf5 stuff to utopic | 13:01 |
| yofel | I'll remove that from the SRU then, we can have it in the 4.14 backports later on | 13:03 |
| Riddell | thanks yofel | 13:04 |
| yofel | ScottK: new try uploaded | 13:12 |
| Riddell | "debian/rules:8: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop." | 13:43 |
| * Riddell looks at apachelogger | 13:43 | |
| santa_ | Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/kapidox-work/+merge/222328 :P | 14:10 |
| santa_ | realized this yesterday just before going to bed | 14:10 |
| santa_ | I had that problem in my first siduction porting attempt | 14:11 |
| Riddell | santa_: groovy, that's what I need | 14:26 |
| ScottK | yofel: accepted libs. I'll do the rest after it builds. | 15:01 |
| kubotu | feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 | 15:15 |
| * yofel uploaded lintian versions of pkg-kde-tools to next and ninjas | 15:56 | |
| Riddell | thanks | 15:57 |
| kubotu | feed branches had 8 updates, showing the latest 6 | 16:13 |
| santa_ | I'm building the latest kdeframeworks packages for siduction | 16:13 |
| santa_ | some extra stuff was needed, like libdbusmenuqt, phonon and such | 16:14 |
| santa_ | when it's done I will write you a list in notes.k.o so you would know what would be needed to change in debian if you want them to adopt your packages | 16:15 |
| kubotu | feed branches-next had 7 updates, showing the latest 6 | 16:16 |
| santa_ | http://derp.co.uk/0b11c | 16:17 |
| santa_ | hacked buildd ftw | 16:17 |
| santa_ | btw qt 5.3 is arriving to debian sid | 16:19 |
| yofel | considering that kf5 is supposed to always pass all tests, the amount of tests that rely on -DBUID_TESTING=TRUE is rather large :( | 17:14 |
| yofel | santa_: why... xauth? | 18:21 |
| santa_ | yofel: it's needed for the tests apparently | 18:23 |
| yofel | I don't remember one failing | 18:23 |
| yofel | 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 13 | 18:24 |
| santa_ | yofel: the relevant part of the build log http://paste.kde.org/pzrudvafc also note that this only happens in debian sid | 18:25 |
| yofel | sounds like a bug in xvfb packaging really | 18:25 |
| yofel | on ubuntu xvfb depends on xauth | 18:25 |
| yofel | hm, | 18:27 |
| yofel | xvfb recommends xauth in debian | 18:27 |
| yofel | rather unlucky | 18:27 |
| yofel | fine then I guess | 18:27 |
| yofel | yeah, kdelibs autopackagetest config depends on xauth too | 18:30 |
| yofel | fun, I lost sound after upgrading to utopic :( | 18:46 |
| yofel | and why do I have 2 pulseaudio processes running :S | 18:46 |
| genii | Maybe init and init.d both getting ran | 18:48 |
| yofel | could be | 18:48 |
| yofel | rc2.d certainly has S05pulseaudio -.- | 18:50 |
| yofel | still shouldn't be killing my sound device, now it's trying to output over HDMI which obviously won't work | 18:52 |
| yofel | ok fixed | 19:00 |
| yofel | now I would like to know why phonon switched sound cards on upgrade :S | 19:00 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, that happens quite often now, dunno why tho | 19:35 |
| ScottK | yofel: All accepted. | 20:00 |
| yofel | *hugs* | 20:00 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I just realized something about our patch policy: Where do patches coming from debian fit in there? | 21:03 |
| yofel | We either just accept them, or we try to get the team to go by the same policy (which I belive will be rejected for reasons that only debian understands), or we blacklist patches as violating our policy | 21:03 |
| yofel | well, or d) we do the upstreaming - up to the point where a patch gets rejected upstream but debian keeps it anyway | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Typically we keep them unless the cause an actual problem to keep the diff down. | 21:13 |
| yofel | yeah, but our patch policy isn't quite what we've typically been doing, although I guess we can decide after upstream review in those cases | 21:17 |
| ScottK | Patch policy should rhen also say something about minimizing diff with Debian. | 21:35 |
| ScottK | That's an overall Ubuntu project policy. | 21:35 |
| yofel | ah right, I guess we can agree on that | 21:36 |
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