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| Chipzz | question about https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f3 : how does ubuntu refer to these? as areas or as components? | 12:15 |
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| highvoltage | Chipzz: I think the word you're looking for is 'pockets' | 12:26 |
| Chipzz | hmmm. heh. yay consistency :) | 12:26 |
| Chipzz | related question: | 12:27 |
| Chipzz | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections | 12:27 |
| Chipzz | are the subsections in ubuntu the same as in debian? | 12:28 |
| Chipzz | and does the naming of the section work the same as in debian or different? | 12:28 |
| Chipzz | (prepending the area/component/pocket to the section if it is not 'main'?) | 12:28 |
| cjwatson | highvoltage: no | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | Chipzz: we refer to them as "components" | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | pockets => release, proposed, updates, security, backports; different axis | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | Chipzz: we have the same (sub)sections and use that same naming | 13:11 |
| Chipzz | cjwatson: so the prefered nomenclature (considering both debian and ubuntu) would be component? | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | yes | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | "area" is extremely old terminology and predates all the current archive management software | 13:13 |
| Chipzz | I'm guessing the omission of the component in the Section when the component is main is why main in ubuntu is called main, and not something else? | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | kind of; why bother changing it | 13:14 |
| Chipzz | well restricted has a different name :) | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | *shrug* | 13:14 |
| Chipzz | but different axis too I guess :) | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | main is indeed special-cased enough that it would be troublesome to change | 13:14 |
| Chipzz | not arguing; more like trying to understand why things are the way they are :) | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | well sometimes the answer is just "because" | 13:15 |
| Chipzz | :) | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | stuff like this was set up very early | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | and to start with there was nothing but "main" | 13:16 |
| Chipzz | in debian I assume? | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | I meant in Ubuntu | 13:16 |
| Chipzz | ubuntu has had restricted etc for like forever, right? | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | depends on your definition of forever | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | the very early (well before going public) archive started out with just main IIRC | 13:17 |
| Chipzz | ah k :) but it's not very important anyway, merely curious :) | 13:17 |
| cjwatson | when it was just "we need something we've built to run our machines on" | 13:18 |
| Chipzz | (well the initial question I did ask for a reason, the latter not so much) | 13:18 |
| cjwatson | (I think "pocket" is terrible terminology, as it really doesn't tell you anything about their semantics; something like "stream" or "channel" maybe would have been better; but it's far too late to change now) | 13:19 |
| Chipzz | cjwatson: anyway, thanks for your time, I'm gonna get back to hacking now :) | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | np | 13:29 |
| highvoltage | cjwatson: ah ok, I misunderstood what was meant by 'area' | 14:29 |
| metaphysician | In 14.04, there is a bug in /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/wireless script at line 23. It should "enabled" at the end of path /sys/class/net/$1/device/enable. Wireless power saving does not get applied | 17:15 |
| metaphysician | where $1 is the interface | 17:16 |
| metaphysician | I always get an ENOENT error in /var/log/pm-powersave.log when that hook runs, inspite of active wlan0. | 17:20 |
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