=== timrc is now known as timrc-afk === gusnan_ is now known as gusnan === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [12:15] question about https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f3 : how does ubuntu refer to these? as areas or as components? [12:26] Chipzz: I think the word you're looking for is 'pockets' [12:26] hmmm. heh. yay consistency :) [12:27] related question: [12:27] https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections [12:28] are the subsections in ubuntu the same as in debian? [12:28] and does the naming of the section work the same as in debian or different? [12:28] (prepending the area/component/pocket to the section if it is not 'main'?) [13:10] highvoltage: no [13:10] Chipzz: we refer to them as "components" [13:11] pockets => release, proposed, updates, security, backports; different axis [13:11] Chipzz: we have the same (sub)sections and use that same naming [13:12] cjwatson: so the prefered nomenclature (considering both debian and ubuntu) would be component? [13:13] yes [13:13] "area" is extremely old terminology and predates all the current archive management software [13:14] I'm guessing the omission of the component in the Section when the component is main is why main in ubuntu is called main, and not something else? [13:14] kind of; why bother changing it [13:14] well restricted has a different name :) [13:14] *shrug* [13:14] but different axis too I guess :) [13:14] main is indeed special-cased enough that it would be troublesome to change [13:15] not arguing; more like trying to understand why things are the way they are :) [13:15] well sometimes the answer is just "because" [13:15] :) [13:15] stuff like this was set up very early [13:16] and to start with there was nothing but "main" [13:16] in debian I assume? [13:16] I meant in Ubuntu [13:16] ubuntu has had restricted etc for like forever, right? [13:16] depends on your definition of forever [13:17] the very early (well before going public) archive started out with just main IIRC [13:17] ah k :) but it's not very important anyway, merely curious :) [13:18] when it was just "we need something we've built to run our machines on" [13:18] (well the initial question I did ask for a reason, the latter not so much) [13:19] (I think "pocket" is terrible terminology, as it really doesn't tell you anything about their semantics; something like "stream" or "channel" maybe would have been better; but it's far too late to change now) [13:24] cjwatson: anyway, thanks for your time, I'm gonna get back to hacking now :) [13:29] np [14:29] cjwatson: ah ok, I misunderstood what was meant by 'area' [17:15] In 14.04, there is a bug in /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/wireless script at line 23. It should "enabled" at the end of path /sys/class/net/$1/device/enable. Wireless power saving does not get applied [17:16] where $1 is the interface [17:20] I always get an ENOENT error in /var/log/pm-powersave.log when that hook runs, inspite of active wlan0.