[00:29] <killmaker> check this out http://codes4free.net/?ref=FPjYNpU2b
[02:14] <Ximo> Hello, does anyone knows how to delete those two icons?(Not the K menu) http://i.imgur.com/WOD7QQ9.png
[02:14] <Ximo> With the cashew I can't
[08:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:36] <geoextra> Hey :-)
[08:37] <lordievader> Hey geoextra, how are you?
[08:43] <geoextra> Fine, thx. How about you?
[08:50] <amichair> can anyone confirm whether a tmpfs ram disk takes up any RAM if it's empty?
[08:56] <basheba> Is Kubuntu awesome or what <3
[08:58] <valorie> basheba: good to hear you love it too
[08:58] <valorie> what is your favorite bit?
[08:58] <basheba> 16 years i prefer no other desktop
[08:58] <valorie> wow
[08:58] <valorie> since the beginning, then
[08:58] <valorie> longer than me
[08:58] <valorie> maybe 10 years or so for me
[08:59] <basheba> oh there you are. Had to change the font color
[09:00] <tsimpson> amichair: no, if it's empty it doesn't take up space
[09:00] <amichair> tsimpson: great
[09:01] <amichair> is it recommended to put /tmp on tmpfs?
[09:01] <tsimpson> nope
[09:01] <basheba> hey what happened to the kubuntu women channel?
[09:01] <amichair> tsimpson: do you know why not?
[09:02] <tsimpson> amichair: you may need more storage than you have memory, like if you want to burn a CD/DVD for example
[09:02] <tsimpson> I've also seen browsers store large data in /tmp
[09:03] <tsimpson> /tmp was on a tmpfs in Ubuntu a few years back and it was decided it just wasn't worth it for most people
[09:03] <tsimpson> basheba: you mean #ubuntu-women ?
[09:03] <basheba> oh ok thanks
[09:04] <amichair> tsimpson: I see
[09:04] <valorie> basheba: #ubuntu-women is for all of us in the community who support women in Ubuntu
[09:04] <valorie> we'd be pretty small if we split up by desktop
[09:06] <lordievader> geoextra: Doing good here :)
[09:06] <amichair> tsimpson: and how much swap is recommended for 16G RAM?
[09:06] <tsimpson> amichair: that depends, do you want to be able to hibernate/suspend to disk?
[09:07] <amichair> tsimpson: not really
[09:07] <tsimpson> then you can probably get away with between 1 to 5 GB
[09:08] <amichair> tsimpson: ok, thanks!
[10:21] <rd_> hi
[10:23] <lordievader> Hey rd_
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <Ximo_> Hello BluesKaj
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hi Ximo_
[12:06] <EvilEagle> is there some trick when trying to add a printer that is on the network, (a windows network,) that will allow me to browse for the printer.  there is a big Browse button, but it is grayed out.
[12:08] <lordievader> EvilEagle: Is it shared through SAMBA/CIFS?
[12:10] <EvilEagle> they are share yes.  i have 6 or 7 connected at different locations.  i move them often enough being able to browser for them instead of memorizing their shae names would be much better.
[12:10] <EvilEagle> shared i meant
[12:11] <lordievader> EvilEagle: The smbclient can list printers it seems: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-8.html
[12:13] <EvilEagle> yeah  i was trying to use kde's printer applet.  guess its just broke
[12:14] <EvilEagle> i can walk ot the machines and get their share names.  jsut was wondering if i was missing  a package or something
[12:14] <EvilEagle> or systems settings that is
[12:26] <EvilEagle> what is triggering the notification that "proprietary drivers might be required  ."  i have selected the nvida driver i want already but the notification comes back once ever couple minutes or so.
[15:09] <basheba> ya know what?  Someone should let Canonical/KDE/Kubuntu developers know that Kubuntu 13.10 and above should with graphic driver version nvidia-304 by default for the nvidia cards.  I can't get Trusty on here b/c 14.04 won't give me the gpu I need.
[15:10] <lordievader> !info nvidia-304
[15:12] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-current
[15:13] <BluesKaj> !info nvidia-current
[15:14] <BluesKaj> well now , the 319 driver has regressed to 304 on 13.10
[15:14] <lordievader> !info nvidia-current saucy
[15:16] <lordievader> Don't really get his complaint.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I recall 13.10 nvidia-current was 313 after a clean install, then after upgrades the current went to 319
[15:17] <BluesKaj> now it's 304 for stabilitu I assume
[15:17] <BluesKaj> stability
[17:03] <jxjl> hi, does anybody know, how to get global appmenu working for gtk apps and LibreOffice in new Kubuntu? I have installed appmenu-gtk as usual, but nohning happened
[17:46] <bubble_beam> hello
[17:46] <bubble_beam> i installed kde-plasma-desktop package
[17:46] <bubble_beam> and i cant find the network manager icon on the panel
[17:49] <DarthFrog> bubble_beam:  Use the magic cashew to add it.
[17:49] <bubble_beam> DarthFrog, ?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> click the cashew icon on the far right, then add widgets, type network into the searchbar, choose network management
[17:50] <DarthFrog> When the panel has the focus, there's a cashew-shaped golden icon on the right.  Click on it.
[17:50] <bubble_beam> okay
[17:50] <bubble_beam> what should i be adding exactly?
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Do as BluesKaj suggested.
[17:51] <bubble_beam> there is only network monitory
[17:51] <bubble_beam> monitor*
[17:51] <bubble_beam> no network management
[17:51] <BluesKaj> bubble_beam, install kubuntu-desktop
[17:52] <bubble_beam> i already did
[17:52] <bubble_beam> kde-plasma-desktop
[17:52] <bubble_beam> so , more packages needed?
[17:52] <DarthFrog> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[17:53] <bubble_beam> okay DarthFrog
[17:53] <bubble_beam> :)
[17:53] <bubble_beam> lemme try
[17:53] <BluesKaj> kde-plasma-desktop is not kubuntu-desktop afaik
[17:53] <bubble_beam> well, i thought it will be much lighter than the whole package
[17:53] <DarthFrog> It'd be part of it, I imagine.
[17:54] <bubble_beam> okay
[17:54] <DarthFrog> Much lighter?  Not likely.
[17:54] <bubble_beam> a ton of other things comes with the kubuntu-desktop package
[17:54] <bubble_beam> which are not nearly necessary
[17:55] <bubble_beam> okay. a bit lighter :)
[17:56] <DarthFrog> Well, then you can chase down the individual packages to provide your desired functionality.  :-)
[17:57] <DarthFrog> Use "apt-cache search <search term>" to identify them.
[17:57] <DarthFrog> and "apt-cache show <package name>" to get info on them.
[17:57] <bubble_beam> lol
[17:57]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[17:58] <bubble_beam> i should go for something like corelinux or arch :P
[17:58]  * DarthFrog notes a certain similarity in attitude between BluesKaj and Pontius Pilate. :-)
[17:58] <shadeslayer> bubble_beam: you probably want to install kubuntu-desktop btw
[17:58] <bubble_beam> shadeslayer, ?
[17:58] <bubble_beam> why?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> because, that only installs plasma desktop and stuff, a bit useless by itself I imagine
 i should go for something like corelinux or arch :P < how does that help?
[18:00] <DarthFrog> Arch?  Do you enjoy wearing hair shirts?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, kubuntu-desktop does include some very useful apps , but also some that I never use
[18:00] <bubble_beam> well, DarthFrog was suggesting just find and install individual packages
[18:01] <DarthFrog> Only to meet your stated goals.  Not because I agree with you.
[18:01] <bubble_beam> alright
[18:01] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:01] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: rather install more and have stuff working than install less and spend time trying to figure out why things don't work
[18:02] <bubble_beam> i am not up for an OS war :)
[18:02] <DarthFrog> And no-one is suggesting one.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> yup, agreed shadeslayer , but i'm tired of arguing for a package that comes with a lot of excess baggage
[18:04] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: alot of excess baggage? lol
[18:04] <shadeslayer> we have to keep the ISO size down
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so it's basically the bare essentials
[18:04] <bubble_beam> like arch
[18:04] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:04] <BluesKaj> like the PIM
[18:04] <bubble_beam> and maybe arch with a gui
[18:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I actually use it tbh ...
[18:05] <BluesKaj> then have fun with arch, it never did much for me
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:05] <bubble_beam> i am okay with my ubuntu :P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> I managed to make it do something, till I broke it at the next update xD
[18:06] <bubble_beam> debian is pretty stable for me
[18:06] <DarthFrog> I installed Arch and was rather confused.  Why is eth0 now epS0e6?
[18:07] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:07] <lordievader> DarthFrog: That actually makes sense, it is the bios name (or something like that).
[18:07] <lordievader> DarthFrog: The idea is that it prevents name switching.
[18:07] <DarthFrog> lordievader:  :-)  OK.
[18:07] <bubble_beam> unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <lordievader> !info kubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <lordievader> bubble_beam: Update your sources?
[18:09] <bubble_beam> do i have to add any repo?
[18:09] <DarthFrog> Universe.
[18:09] <DarthFrog> You might have to enable it.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> universe deb
[18:09] <bubble_beam> it should be by default though
[18:10] <shadeslayer> how *did* you install ? 0.o
[18:10] <bubble_beam> shadeslayer, kde?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> bubble_beam: ubuntu
[18:10] <bubble_beam> sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
[18:10] <BluesKaj> check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:11] <bubble_beam> oops i am sorry
[18:11] <bubble_beam> i made a mistake
[18:11] <bubble_beam> i was typing into an ssh terminal
[18:11] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:12] <BluesKaj> wrong machine
[18:12] <bubble_beam> yep
[18:12] <bubble_beam> now its okay
[18:12] <bubble_beam> :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> done that :)
[18:12] <bubble_beam> yeah , thanks guy
[18:12] <bubble_beam> guys*
[18:12] <bubble_beam> 70 extra MBs needed to be downloaded
[18:13] <BluesKaj> metapackage
[18:13] <bubble_beam> thts a whole lot of baggage
[18:14] <BluesKaj> bubble_beam, 70mb are you on a '98 vintage pc ? :)
[18:14] <bubble_beam> :)
[19:36] <paradoxajd> hello
[19:36] <paradoxajd> i have a question
[19:37] <paradoxajd> can i have other desktop manager in kubuntu
[19:37] <paradoxajd> i really like kubuntu packages (kate, okular,..) but i really liked xfce4 more
[19:37] <paradoxajd> what should i do
[19:38] <ikonia> install xfce ?
[19:38] <ikonia> or even better do a clean xubuntu install
[19:38] <paradoxajd> but i want Ksoftware
[19:38] <ikonia> thats fine
[19:39] <ikonia> as long as you have the dependencies, it will run
[19:40] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    sure, I run kubuntu but my window manager is LXDE
[19:41] <bprompt> I used to a long long ago, in SuSE used to run gnome and kde apps, had both desktop managers installed, and also ran apps from both, all ran fine
[19:42] <ikonia> there can be problems if components depends on running desktop components, but they are few and far between
[19:42] <paradoxajd> hmm, thanks for help
[19:43] <paradoxajd> is it possible for me to get xfce with arch ?
[19:43] <ikonia> as in archlinux the distribution ?
[19:43] <ikonia> with arch ?
[19:44] <paradoxajd> no
[19:44] <paradoxajd> arch with xfce desktop
[19:44] <ikonia> then what do you mean by "with arch"
[19:44] <ikonia> what do you mean by arch ?
[19:44] <ikonia> is that a kde app ?
[19:44] <paradoxajd> archlinux
[19:44] <paradoxajd> https://www.archlinux.org/
[19:44] <ikonia> I just asked you if you meant archlinux and you said no
[19:44] <ikonia> ask the arch linux guys what packges they support
[19:44] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     I don't see why not
[19:44] <paradoxajd> i thought it isnt distribution
[19:45] <paradoxajd> (i kinda begginer to linux related stuff)
[19:45] <ikonia> #archlinux is the arch channel
[19:45] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     pretty much, you can on any linux distribution, run any desktop or windwo manager, same again, I used to run kubuntu and also at some point in SuSE ran xfce for a while
[19:45] <paradoxajd> okay, thanks everyone for input
[19:45] <paradoxajd> i really appriciate it
[19:46] <bprompt> np
[19:46] <bprompt> aemmm I meant to say, I ran KDE as my desktop manager in SuSE but was using xfce =) anyhow
[19:47] <paradoxajd> aha
[19:47] <paradoxajd> idk, maybe its because of this plasma thing
[19:47] <paradoxajd> is there something like "vanialla" kde ?
[19:47] <ikonia> what do you not want ?
[19:48] <paradoxajd> idk tbh
[19:48] <lordievader> paradoxajd: Kubuntu tries to deliver a vanilla KDE.
[19:48] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    keep in mind  that the "plasma thing" is just features of "kwin" window manager, no kde desktop manager, you can run kde apps just fine with whatever desktop manager or window manager you wish, it just happens that kde uses "kwin" window manager by default
[19:48] <ikonia> paradoxajd: why don't you focus on just using the desktop rather than asking for things you don't really know
[19:49] <ikonia> eg: "I want vanilla kde" - but you don't even know what's not vanilla about your current kde
[19:49] <paradoxajd> i got problems with my xubuntu, so deciced to try kubuntu
[19:49] <bprompt> paradoxajd:      vanilla?   define that? you mean run kde apps on a light window and desktop environment?
[19:50] <paradoxajd> i've seen nice simple look of kubuntu at uni lab pc
[19:50] <bprompt> which is what I do  pretty much with LXDE
[19:50] <paradoxajd> wanted the same, but got this plasma thing
[19:50] <lordievader> bprompt: vanilla means no modifications, i.e. as if you compile KDE from source.
[19:50] <ikonia> paradoxajd: again, concentrate on using it and working out what you like/don't like
[19:50] <ikonia> you can't ask for things that you don't even know what you're asking for
[19:50] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:51] <paradoxajd> well yeah, my bad
[19:51] <zamaliphe> upgrade mysql to 5.6 try to remove kde any help previnting that ?
[19:51] <ikonia> zamaliphe: where are you getting 5.6 from ?
[19:52] <zamaliphe> from same repo i use
[19:52] <lordievader> !info mysql-server
[19:52] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    you can customize kwin lots.... so... as ikonia  said, you can get rid of many say, gestures or animations you may not want, like my kwin window manager, I have it setupu to use the "classic menu" and I removed animations that just cause delays as I see it
[19:52] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which repo
[19:52] <ikonia> zamaliphe: "same repo" is not information, which repo
[19:52] <lordievader> Seemingly not from the Ubuntu repository.
[19:53] <ikonia> it's going to be yet another poorly packages PPA where they have screwed the dependencies up so kde no longer meets the requirements and is removed
[19:53] <zamaliphe> ikonia: trusty
[19:53] <ikonia> zamaliphe: that's not a repo
[19:53] <paradoxajd> bprompt, i set "classic menu" too
[19:53] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which repo are you getting it from
[19:53] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server"
[19:54] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    then kwin works for you it seems, just need to change a few things in workspace and appearance
[19:55] <paradoxajd> one thing that bothers me is that all apps are in some taskbar, no matter in what virtual desktop arein
[19:56] <paradoxajd> in xubuntu, each virtual desktop had it own taskbar
[19:56] <lordievader> paradoxajd: That behaviour, too, is highly customizable.
[19:56] <lordievader> For example on my laptop only the windows of the current desktop are shown.
[19:57] <lordievader> But on most other machines I leave it at the default.
[19:58] <zamaliphe> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/bFsndSJ0
[19:58] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Hmm, so what is using 5.6 of mysql?
[19:59] <zamaliphe> lordievader: i have no idea
[19:59] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    each virtual desktop would have its own taskbar.... otherwise it'd lose it's "desktopness"   so... that's expectable I'd think
[20:00] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Then I do not follow your problem.
[20:00] <zamaliphe> lordievader: how can i force apt to install 5.6 replace 5.5 keep kde pakges ?
[20:00] <lordievader> zamaliphe: mysql 5.6 isn't available in the repo.
[20:00] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     then again... that's just kwin.... if you don't want to use kwin... you can use some other window manager... if you want docks... get  lxwm   or ... xfce or whatever else, quite a few out there
[20:01] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     but all that's customizable  in appearance or workspace in system settings for "kwin" anyway
[20:04] <paradoxajd> oka
[20:04] <paradoxajd> i guess i'll play with customisations more
[20:04] <ikonia> zamaliphe: where are you getting the 5.6 package from ?
[20:05] <zamaliphe> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/gb2ZHkMD
[20:06] <lordievader> !info mysql-server-5.6
[20:06] <ikonia> then why is apt-cache policy also showing 5.5
[20:06] <ikonia> 1info mysql-server
[20:06] <ikonia> !info mysql-server
[20:06] <lordievader> Well, that's interesting.
[20:06] <ikonia> this is shambles,
[20:07] <lordievader> Still why install 5.6 if it removes KDE, seems a bit silly to me.
[20:07] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Why do you need 5.6?
[20:07] <zamaliphe> lordievader: becuse i get few bugs with 5.5
[20:07] <zamaliphe> lordievader: i think that 5.6 will fix them
[20:08] <Exagone313> zamaliphe: try to compile it
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which bugs
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: do not compile anything
[20:08] <Exagone313> haha
[20:08] <ikonia> Exagone313: it's not funny
[20:08] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i keep geeting memory errors with 5.5
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: what sort of memory errors ?
[20:08] <ikonia> OOM ?
[20:08] <Exagone313> ikonia: it can be a solution, but compile is sometimes difficult
[20:09] <ikonia> Exagone313: no, it's not a solution, more so when there are official packages
[20:09] <Exagone313> or extract deb file
[20:09] <ikonia> why ?
[20:09] <ikonia> what benifit is that going to give ?
[20:09] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i know this is why i'm trying to install it from ubutu
[20:10] <ikonia> zamaliphe: so what's the memory problems OOM ?
[20:10] <zamaliphe> ikonia: mysqli_connect(): (HY000/1135): Can't create a new thread (errno 11); if you are not out of available memory
[20:11] <ikonia> zamaliphe: does your machine have memory free ? are you hitting the IPC limits from your mysql setup ?
[20:11] <ikonia> zamaliphe: have you changed the my.cnf from default ?
[20:11] <ikonia> (or any settings from default)
[20:12] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Seems more like a configuration fault than a bug in the software.
[20:12] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i have 6 GB RAM + 3GB swap
[20:12] <ikonia> zamaliphe: not asking your machine spec
[20:13] <miguel> hola a todos necesito ayuda para elegir piezas para montar un pc. gracias espero ayuda
[20:13] <ikonia> !es | miguel
[20:13] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i tested and tryed defrent configration many times but no help
[20:13] <ikonia> zamaliphe: from reading the man page on that error code it's when there isn't enough memory for client connections or the "max_used_connections" variable
[20:13] <ikonia> doesn't look like a bug, at this moment in time
[20:14] <ikonia> zamaliphe: is this a vps ?
[20:14] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i'm the only one using this and this is my local pc
[20:15] <ikonia> zamaliphe: look at the max_used_connections in your database and the settings in /etc/security/limits.conf
[20:16] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i done that and changed that option allready
[20:16] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i rely need to upgrade to 5.6
[20:16] <ikonia> you do'nt need anything
[20:16] <zamaliphe> how can i hold ubuntu from remove kde till i upgrade ?
[20:16] <lordievader> zamaliphe: I don't think that an upgrade to 5.6 will solve your problem.
[20:16] <ikonia> you have no idea what the problem is or if 5.6 fixes it
[20:16] <ikonia> so you don't need anything
[20:17] <ikonia> 21:16 < zamaliphe> ikonia: i done that and changed that option allready
[20:17] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which option did you change
[20:17] <ikonia> which option - exactly did you change
[20:18] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i set nproc to 4096
[20:19] <ikonia> that's number of processes
[20:19] <ikonia> (you may have - I'm asking why you think that)
[20:19] <ikonia> why do you think you have a process limit issue ?
[20:19] <zamaliphe> ikonia: and nofile to 4096
[20:20] <ikonia> those seem like random changes to make
[20:20] <ikonia> unless you have a reason to change them that you've not explained
[21:05] <jazzycool> hey guys
[21:06] <jazzycool> How can I replace my exisiting xubuntu with kubuntu
[21:06] <jazzycool> i.e right now say I have xubuntu dual booted and its support is ending sometime in july so
[21:06] <lordievader> jazzycool: You could just install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[21:07] <jazzycool> well I know what to install but don't know how to install removing and replacing the old linux os
[21:07] <lordievader> jazzycool: You want to reinstall?
[21:07] <jazzycool> when I install through live should I keep the same /, swap area etc I had for xubuntu
[21:08] <jazzycool> kind of
[21:08] <jazzycool> yeah
[21:08] <lordievader> jazzycool: Do you have a backup of your important files?
[21:09] <jazzycool> yeah I have the backup and actually there aren't any imp files at all its just garbage files...lol so I dont even care
[21:09] <jazzycool> all I want is to put my kubuntu where my xubuntu exists right now
[21:09] <lordievader> jazzycool: Then you can just reinstall using a Kubuntu live-cd, be sure to mark the current partitions for formatting.
[21:10] <jazzycool> yeah well but for example my xubuntu has lets say 110gb of ext4 at root point do I keep the same partitions and just press install
[21:11] <lordievader> jazzycool: You can yes, but I'd mark the root-fs for formatting.
[21:11] <jazzycool> root-fs?
[21:11] <jazzycool> I m not so much know to linux so can you explain what you said...lol
[21:11] <lordievader> The partition that is mounted as /
[21:11] <jazzycool> known*
[21:11] <jazzycool> yeah
[21:12] <jazzycool> ok gotchaa
[21:12] <jazzycool> thanks brother
[21:13] <jazzycool> I actually searched google but didn't quite know how to word it so
[21:13] <jazzycool> thanks brother I appreciate your help
[21:14] <lordievader> jazzycool: No problem, good luck.
[21:14] <jazzycool> sure sir