[02:10] <imgbot> [03:30] <imgbot> [03:30] <imgbot> [06:55] <sil2100> o/
[06:55] <sil2100> Oh! I see 71 promoted!
[06:55] <sil2100> \o/
[07:10] <sil2100> psivaa: once you're up and running - do you know why suddenly we have no manta test results? It seems to fail on the install step
[07:13] <Mirv> hey sil2100, and yes! :)
[07:13] <Mirv> sil2100: you're back today, or just visiting?
[07:18] <sil2100> Mirv: back :)
[07:19] <Mirv> sil2100: ah great! since I forgot that I need to leave before EOD for airport, when I mentioned that Fri & Mon are fine for me. I'm at the Qt Developer Summit until Thu (=flying back on Thu)
[07:19] <sil2100> Normally I would be off, since yesterday we had a holiday and by Polish law it means I can take a nearest day off instead, but today ogra_ is off so it would be nice to have some coverage
[07:19] <sil2100> Oh :)
[07:20] <sil2100> QDS, didn't know there was something like that
[07:21] <Mirv> http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2014/wiki
[07:22] <Mirv> 8 of us are going - tsdgeos, zbenjamin, greyback, mzanetti, savi_q, kalikiana, timp and me
[07:22] <sil2100> Mirv: excellent :) Have a good flight then!
[07:23] <Mirv> thanks :) but I'll be around for some hours still, I just need to reserve some time for packing too
[07:25] <sil2100> Right :)
[07:56] <pete-woods> hi guys, it's been so long since I added a new LP project, that I forgot what I need to do to get it into CI and then distro
[07:56] <pete-woods> I have https://launchpad.net/unity-scope-vimeo/
[07:56] <pete-woods> is it still fginther who sets CI / autolanding up?
[07:57] <sil2100> pete-woods: hi! For CI you would need someone from CI, usually fginther is the best bet
[07:57] <sil2100> pete-woods: to get a project running on CI Train nothing really is needed
[07:59] <pete-woods> sil2100: okay, thanks, I just wanted to get the ball rolling early, as this project is on the list for RTM, and it took a few days or so last time I did this (to get into distro)
[08:02] <psivaa> sil2100: looking
[08:12] <psivaa> sil2100: manta devices in the lab are having issues. there is a ticket open for that with the IS and they are still dealing with it
[08:15] <sil2100> psivaa: thanks! Good to know it's nothing on our side
[08:16] <psivaa> sil2100: yea, flo-03 also is down in the lab
[08:31] <sil2100> popey, davmor2: meeting!
[08:40] <davmor2> popey: do you see duplicates for clock and terminal in installed apps and apps in available when they are installed again
[08:48] <Mirv> good new qt5.3 bugs, thanks popey. I've also tried to file as many bugs as possible so that while I'm at QtCS there's enough bugs to work on :)
[08:49] <davmor2> 2380 in bugs/LP folder I'm not sure that is a good thing
[08:49] <davmor2> by the end of the week who knows I may of caught up with my emails :(
[08:51] <popey> davmor2: not sure, how do you mean?
[08:53] <davmor2>  popey I'll take a screenshot after when I'm on for real
[09:05] <oSoMoN> hi, can someone help me figure out why lately all the webbrowser-app-ci jobs fail on mako with the following error: "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'unlock_unity'" ?
[09:06] <oSoMoN> e.g. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/6802/console
[09:22] <Mirv> zbenjamin: why is this https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-015-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_qtcreator-plugin-remotelinux_3.0.1+14.10.20140609-0ubuntu1.diff needed? we'd need a packaging ack for that.
[09:58] <oSoMoN> cihelp: anyone can shed a light on the failures I’m seeing at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/6802/console ?
[09:59] <mandel> sil2100, I have been told that you have already dealt with the dbus-cpp symbols, can you give me a hand with the following branch => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/dbus-cpp/expose_executor/+merge/222200
[09:59] <ev_> oSoMoN: I'll have a look after this phone call in a minute
[09:59] <oSoMoN> ev_, thanks!
[09:59] <sil2100> mandel: hi! Let me take a quick look
[09:59] <mandel> sil2100, AFAIK I just added the new make_executor function and added it to the symbols file, which should be enough
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: is screenshot.sh and phablet-screenshot working for you?
[10:26] <popey> davmor2: mine work because I modified them... bug 1327139
[10:26] <popey> davmor2: ninja edit the phablet-screenshot script for now and move the socket location
[10:27] <bzoltan> Mirv:  do you know somebody around  who I can ask for and ack  on the silo15?
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: ta
[10:35] <davmor2> popey: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-06-09-113358.png note the empty terminal entry bottom right but that the terminal is top center
[10:39] <bzoltan> sil2100: I guess you are off today :) if not then I need an ack on the SIlo15
[10:43] <mandel> sil2100, I think is a matter of updating the package number to 4 since there are some symbols being added and some being removed
[10:44] <popey> davmor2: thats odd.
[10:45] <popey> davmor2: adb shell sudo -u phablet click list | grep terminal
[10:49] <sil2100> bzoltan: hey!
[10:50] <sil2100> bzoltan: not off, I'm here ;)
[10:50] <sil2100> bzoltan: I thought Mirv was taking care of that, ok, let me try finding someone
[10:50] <davmor2> popey:
[10:50] <davmor2> com.ubuntu.terminal	0.5.73
[10:50] <sil2100> I was just busy in code
[10:53] <popey> davmor2: no idea whats going on there,
[10:59] <Mirv> bzoltan: I was trying to ask zbenjamin why the only change was needed, but didn't get an answer
[10:59] <Mirv> at this point it's however safe to say I'm not handling it, instead I'm panic-packing my luggage ;)
[10:59] <bzoltan> Mirv:  what chage?
[10:59] <sil2100> Mirv, bzoltan: it's +1'ed ;)
[10:59] <bzoltan> Mirv:  you should not miss your flight
[10:59] <sil2100> So no need to worry about it
[10:59] <Mirv> bzoltan: no problem indeed, already published. it was https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-015-2-publish/29/artifact/packaging_changes_qtcreator-plugin-remotelinux_3.0.1+14.10.20140609-0ubuntu1.diff
[11:00] <sil2100> If it breaks anything we'll fix it, right? :)
[11:00] <bzoltan> sil2100:  hehe... sure we do
[11:03] <bzoltan> sil2100: Mirv: for some reason the remoteloinux plugin did not find the QTC plugin dir... it is a strange package. We need to check it at some point
[11:03] <sil2100> mandel: ok, only now looking at it, but I have some ideas already
[11:04] <mandel> sil2100, tell me, I want to understand why it complains, make_executor(io_service* was the new addition all others are missing ones and are pointing to private symbols
[11:05] <mandel> sil2100, my understanding is that I should bump the version number to 4 since 3.1 is not good enough
[11:05] <sil2100> mandel: the missing ones are not a problem, as they are set as 'optional' - so they appear in the diff as MISSING but they will not cause a failure
[11:05] <mandel> sil2100, yes debuild is failing due to that..
[11:05] <sil2100> mandel: what is causing the failure is actually the new symbol, it seems to be invalid for 32-bit archs
[11:06] <mandel> sil2100, really?
[11:06] <sil2100> The other symbols just generate a warning
[11:07] <sil2100> Need to look more into why it's like that
[11:07] <sil2100> mandel: as the problem is here:
[11:07] <sil2100> - (c++)"core::dbus::asio::make_executor(std::shared_ptr<core::dbus::Bus> const&, boost::asio::io_service &)@Base" 0replaceme
[11:07] <sil2100> + _ZN4core4dbus4asio13make_executorERKSt10shared_ptrINS0_3BusEERN5boost4asio10io_serviceE@Base 3.1.0bzr61pkg0utopic8-0ubuntu1
[11:07] <mandel> sil2100, will be appreciate it, I have a branch where I bump eveything to 4 and works fine
[11:07] <sil2100> So, what I will do now is demangle this thing and compare, if there is any difference
[11:08] <mandel> sil2100, weird, cuase I used c++filt with that and was ok
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: also if I install an app like the here.com app it is still showing in available
[11:11] <sil2100> mandel: let me experiment one thing on a chroot, one moment
[11:11] <mandel> sil2100, sure
[11:11] <popey> davmor2: i am not seeing that
[11:12] <sil2100> mandel: as I think I see what's wrong, but this would mean dpkg-gensymbols is REALLY stupid
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-06-09-121217.png
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: does it on most of the apps I've installed recently but not the ones I installed a while ago
[11:13] <popey> davmor2: http://imgur.com/LeJhxAd
[11:14] <popey> davmor2: did your phone get updated through all the broken images before ~#71 ?
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: pass I was on holiday and the first image away from home completely screwed it so when I got home Saturday I did ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed to fix it
[11:15] <popey> hm
[11:15] <popey> dunno then
[11:15] <davmor2> I might do a bootstrap flash
[11:15] <davmor2> see if it still happens then
[11:25] <sil2100> mandel: ok, I have it I think
[11:27] <mandel> sil2100, great, what do you think is the issue?
[11:28] <sil2100> mandel: commented on the merge :)
[11:28] <sil2100> mandel: really stupid thing...
[11:28]  * popey pokes ogra_ 
[11:28] <mandel> popey, is a bank holiday in germany AFAIK
[11:28] <popey> i know
[11:28] <popey> I'm poking him because he's just submitted 10 apps to the store ☻
[11:28] <sil2100> mandel: you'll just laugh when you see the source of the problem
[11:28] <ogra_> popey, whats up ? issues with my new submitted apps in the store ? :=
[11:28] <ogra_> :)
[11:29] <sil2100> Are those German apps?!
[11:29] <mandel> sil2100, a space? WTF?
[11:29] <ogra_> nope, all games
[11:29] <sil2100> mandel: YES :D It seems dpkg actually thinks it's a different symbol with that whitespace in it ._.
[11:29] <popey> ogra_: first one failed
[11:30] <ogra_> on what ?
[11:30] <popey> check your email ☻
[11:30]  * ogra_ has no mail yet ... *waiting*
[11:30] <popey>       "text": "could not find --enable-back-forward in 'webapp-container http://m.tap.pm/gem2-mob/index.html'"
[11:30] <popey>       "text": "must specify one of --webappUrlPatterns or --webappModelSearchPath"
[11:30] <mandel> sil2100, wow.. very disappointed with dpkg...
[11:30] <ogra_> argh
[11:31] <ogra_> i explicitly disabled it :(
[11:31] <ogra_> in all of them :((
[11:31] <mandel> sil2100, thx for the help, I would have never considered that!
[11:31] <sil2100> mandel: yw! Well, I would never expect that myself as it's just stupid ;)
[11:31]  * ogra_ will fix then ... damned, i didnt want any toolbar ... they are all fullscreen apps
[12:14]  * sil2100 lunch
[12:17] <oSoMoN> ev_, any luck with my mako failures on webbrowser-app-ci?
[12:23] <mandel> sil2100, mp fixed, can you please add a +1 or abstain?
[12:30] <sil2100> mandel: sure :)
[12:31] <sil2100> mandel: done
[12:31] <mandel> thx
[13:03] <davmor2> popey: qt5.3 meeting is it cancelled?
[13:03] <popey> looks that way
[13:03] <popey> i was just getting a coffee for it and it disappeared
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: not just me then phew,  Still playing the email catch up game
[13:11] <bregma> hey trainguards I've had line 21 ready and waiting for a silo for a week or so, could I please get one assigned?
[13:14] <sil2100> bregma: hey! From what I see ricmm's landing still didn't land...
[13:14] <bregma> the unity-app-launcher rename?
[13:14] <sil2100> ricmm: hi, how's it going? I think we have the fixed papi in the archive now, so we could land yours soon?
[13:15] <sil2100> bregma: no no, there's a big platform-api v2 waiting for weeks already
[13:16] <sil2100> bregma: it was pushed back all the time because of other landings landing in the meantime
[13:16] <bregma> ah, I missed that one, didn't realize he was including chages to the desktop there
[13:16] <sil2100> bregma: it locks the unity8-desktop-session as well...
[13:16] <sil2100> Yeah, normally I would override, but this has been pushed back so many many times that I would prefer it to finally land :(
[13:16] <bregma> I guess I'll just keep on waiting
[13:17] <sil2100> bregma: I could assign a silo for you for testing but as I said, I would like this to land finally
[13:17] <sil2100> Then you could only rebuild after this lands and do a quick retest
[13:17] <sil2100> Would that be fine?
[13:18] <bregma> I can test all I want without a silo, but it's blocking the Unity8 desktop ISO spin, so it should just wait until everything's ready, no special treatment
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: if you open the accounts page setup your twitter account and then on returning to the main accounts list do you get a missing title on the selector like this one for facebook http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-06-09-142542.png
[13:28] <ev_> oSoMoN: apologies, I completely ran out of time to look at it. sil2100, can you have a look given that we're now in your vanguard shift?
[13:28] <sil2100> ev_: hi! I didn't know we're still doing vanguard shifts?
[13:29] <sil2100> Like, me and robru
[13:29] <ev_> yeah, we discussed that in Malta, remember?
[13:29] <popey> davmor2: i cant add a facebook account so i cant reproduce that
[13:29] <davmor2> popey: that's why I said twitter it happens there too
[13:29] <sil2100> ev_: right, but I thought that was only if we would be part of CI, right? Or is that also as part of Foundations work?
[13:29] <ev_> sil2100: it'll ensure that you guys have good operational understanding of the infrastructure
[13:30] <sil2100> I was simply unaware as slangasek didn't mention that we're still doing that
[13:30] <davmor2> popey: facebook was just the one I took a screenshot of :)
[13:30] <ev_> sil2100: this was a conversation after the switch to CI. I'll confirm with slangasek though
[13:31] <sil2100> I'll try taking a look in-between things anyway
[13:31] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ^
[13:31] <popey> davmor2: http://imgur.com/k3PjKfn oddly broken differently
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: yeah yours was ota though right?
[13:32] <popey> davmor2: ya
[13:32] <popey> t1mp: i now agree with om26er_ - the back button is hard to hit.
[13:32] <om26er_> \o/
[13:33] <davmor2> popey: you and your little hands :)
[13:33] <popey> nope
[13:33] <popey> the target needs to be made bigger
[13:33] <ev_> sil2100: thank you
[13:33] <davmor2> popey: the one in the new header?
[13:34] <t1mp> popey: you cannot change your mind afterwards ;)
[13:34] <popey> t1mp: haha!
[13:34] <popey> davmor2: yes
[13:36] <t1mp> davmor2, popey could also be too thick fingers, the pressed point recorded is the pixel that you touch first, which is difficult to predict when you touch with a full finger (= lots of pixels at once)
[13:36] <davmor2> t1mp: I'm new to the argument I say it's too small or the name of the tab is too close to it.  It's too easy to hit the tab name with the fleshy part of your thumb when operating one handed
[13:36] <popey> t1mp: we need to have stuff on screen which shows where you hit momentarily
[13:36] <popey> which would also be useful for watching autopilot, and seeing where AP has tapped/swiped
[13:36] <t1mp> popey: oh that would be cool indeed
[13:37] <popey> where would that go? mir/unity?
[13:37] <ahayzen> popey, isn't this what i requested in the autopilot feedback?
[13:37] <t1mp> I saw lightroom for ipad has a "demo mode" which does exactly that (also handy for recording demos)
[13:37] <popey> yes ahayzen
[13:37] <t1mp> davmor2: the bug is on my list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1327171 feel free to comment
[13:37] <ahayzen> popey, just a dot to show where the 'mouse' is
[13:37] <davmor2> popey: I witness t1mp +1 on implementing a where did I tap the screen
[13:38] <popey> implement it!
[13:38] <davmor2> t1mp: when are you landing it popey and I can't wait :D
[13:38] <popey> it's not like t1mp is at a conference or anything
[13:38] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks, I appreciate it!
[13:38] <ahayzen> popey, but as you said what do we report the bug against?
[13:38] <t1mp> popey: heh :) I am actually :)
[13:38] <popey> i think it should be in unity
[13:38] <popey> with an environment variable like the performance overlay
[13:38] <ahayzen> yeah
[13:39] <popey> ahayzen: feel free to file a bug in unity8 ☻
[13:39] <t1mp> davmor2: can you paste the code for your prototype in the bugreport?
[13:39] <ahayzen> popey, will do i'll ping you the link when i've done it :)
[13:39] <popey> ta
[13:39] <t1mp> davmor2: just put a mousearea on top of your app that doesn't accept any events.... that sounds easy but I guess it will mess up all the mouse events then
[13:39] <t1mp> zsombi: ^right?
[13:42] <zsombi> t1mp: heh?
[13:42] <davmor2> t1mp: you want something like the screen recording tool on widows/mac where you get a visual dot where you click/touch I guess  So I assume that it is mir screencast that should cover it rather than unity8 maybe :)
[13:42] <popey> no, because i dont want to be recording all the time
[13:42] <popey> e.g. when running AP tests
[13:44] <t1mp> zsombi: for debugging it would be nice to have an indication on the screen where you are touching it.. just wondering if you have ideas whether that could be done by putting a mousearea/toucharea on top of the app that rejects all events but still shows some visual
[13:45] <ahayzen> popey, something like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1328115
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: definitely not a mouse area, as that either steals all events or if you pass it over its children, it will no longer receive anything else that pressed events
[13:45] <davmor2> popey: true but maybe have an env setting like AP_MIR_SCREENCAST_SHOW_TOUCH=true and then it doesn't record it just shows the area touched maybe?
[13:45] <t1mp> zsombi: yeah, that's what I tought
[13:45] <popey> davmor2: i think it should be part of unity, but yeah.
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: so it has to be in Mir or a special filter which grabs everything from app
[13:46] <pete-woods> cihelp: hi guys, I want to try and get a package into utopic/universe now (as mentioned earlier) I have an empty ready for CI train, is there anything else I should do besides get someone to add it to the spreadsheet for me?
[13:47] <ricmm> sil2100: I've been working today on updating my branches and making sure the silo builds/works ok
[13:47] <ricmm> sil2100: so yea, soon
[13:47] <ahayzen> FYI android has the option of a dot to show the current position, which can be turned on in the developer options
[13:47] <t1mp> zsombi: yeah, putting a TouchArea on top of the MainView in uitk would be too easy
[13:47] <cjohnston> pete-woods: you need to speak to someone who works with the CI Train.. look at the topic to find out who
[13:47] <t1mp> zsombi: I guess that^ wouldn't work.. but I haven't tried it out
[13:48] <zsombi> t1mp: touch area is similar to the other one: if it handles a touch event, no other item will get that
[13:48] <zsombi> t1mp: and you don't even have the luxury there to pass events to children :)
[13:50] <t1mp> zsombi: so how could unity8 work around it? that's a qml app
[13:50] <pete-woods> cjohnston: okay, spoke to sil earlier, hadn't realised he was looking after that stuff :)
[13:50] <sil2100> ricmm: \o/
[13:50] <sil2100> ricmm: thanks!
[13:51] <zsombi> t1mp: or the toolkit... cpp component
[13:51] <t1mp> hmm
[13:51] <t1mp> what do we use on device to run qml apps?
[13:52] <t1mp> for autopilot at least it could be built into that
[13:53] <ricmm> sil2100: a branch of the build failed, is it possible to continue the build from the point where it failed to merge?
[13:53] <ricmm> or do I need to restart the whole build job again
[13:53] <ricmm> it takes ~1.5hr
[13:55] <sil2100> ricmm: in citrain we only give the ability of rebuilding a single component - would that help? But it will need to merge in all the merges
[13:55] <sil2100> For that component
[13:55] <ricmm> I'll just rebuild everything
[13:55] <ricmm> to make sure its clean
[13:56] <ricmm> sil2100: I want a clean, fresh build of the whole thing in silo 7
[13:56] <ricmm> force_rebuild and ignore_step?
[13:57] <sil2100> hmmmm, let me take a quick look
[13:57] <sil2100> ricmm: yeah
[14:05] <ricmm> sil2100: ok building
[15:23] <davmor2> popey: is it me or does having the spinning dots not make it seem like it takes for ever for an app to open
[15:27] <sil2100> oSoMoN: btw. regarding those mako CI failures - when did those start? Was that after we landed the split greeter?
[15:28] <oSoMoN> sil2100, quite possibly, although I don’t remember for sure
[15:33] <popey> davmor2: i dont think so personally.
[15:34] <popey> its way nicer than a white screen
[15:35] <davmor2> popey: agreed it is nicer
[15:42] <renato> fginther, hi, all my jobs are getting stuck on jenkings: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/phablet-team-address-book-app-staging-ci/
[15:51] <fginther> renato, looking
[15:58] <fginther> renato, there was a machine that was locked up. tests should start running again.
[15:58] <sil2100> ev: I had a quick look at that failure oSoMoN is having and I see that I think they're using the old way of unlocking the screen
[15:58] <renato> fginther, thanks
[15:59] <sil2100> fginther: do you know who's dealing with generic-mediumtests-runner-mako ? :)
[16:00] <sil2100> fginther: since I think those (at least for webbrowser-app) are using some deprecated way of unlocking the screen
[16:00] <sil2100> fginther: it should use the one from /usr/share/unity8/unlock-device in unity8-autopilot I guess
[16:00] <fginther> sil2100, I'm looking at that. those projects need to be switched to using the newer test runner
[16:00] <sil2100> fginther: thanks :)
[16:03] <pete-woods> fginther: hi, would you be able to add this LP project (https://launchpad.net/unity-scope-vimeo) to your list of projects for CI?
[16:04] <pete-woods> I have an MR we can try it out with: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-scope-vimeo/empty-commit/+merge/222498
[16:06] <fginther> pete-woods, I've added it to the list, should be ready a little later
[16:06] <pete-woods> fginther: awesome, thanks!
[16:39] <dobey> fginther: hey. did the rum make it back ok? :)
[16:46] <tedg> ricmm, Is platform API 2 landing today?
[16:47] <ricmm> tedg: it might be, once it finishes building
[16:47] <ricmm> why?
[16:48] <tedg> ricmm, We were trying to decide when to land alarms for datetime, didn't want to overlap.
[16:48] <tedg> Keep the churn low
[16:49] <ricmm> well if it doesnt land today, it lands tomorrow
[16:49] <ricmm> depends on how much further testing I ask people to do
[16:49] <ricmm> wait for it, and go ahead with rebasing
[16:49]  * sil2100 would love ricmm's papi v2 to land finally
[16:50] <sil2100> It's waiting for landing long enough
[16:50] <tedg> I don't think we need to rebase as much as just know when it's reasonable to push a bigger change.
[16:50] <ricmm> it will, unless something else creeps in
[16:50] <ricmm> tedg: oh you will need to rebase
[16:50] <ricmm> if you look at my branch, things have moved places
[16:50] <tedg> Heh
[16:50] <tedg> Okay
[16:50] <ricmm> so if you are adding new files a rebase is probably in order
[16:51] <tedg> ricmm, Oh, I think the platformapi portion has already landed, I'm talking about the datetime part.
[16:52] <ricmm> tedg: the application API for alarms hasnt landed, only the hw API
[16:52] <ricmm> which charles uses to set hw alarms
[16:52] <ricmm> but there is no application API for it yet, not sure if thats what you mean
[16:53] <tedg> Yes, I'm talking about the setting them in the HW.
[16:53] <tedg> I didn't realize we were putting app API in platformapi. Guess that makes sense though.
[16:53] <tedg> Probably most apps at that level should be happy with the Qt interface, at least for a while.
[16:53] <ricmm> well there is an API branch from a while ago
[16:54] <ricmm> about setting them in hw, the API itself wont change, you just need to link against the base SO
[16:54] <ricmm> and make sure your running env has the backend selected
[16:54] <ricmm> or confirm that the default one from /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/ works for you
[16:55] <tedg> Yeah, so I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried that it's going to change how alarms work at that level, so it could confuse a platform API landing.
[16:55] <tedg> Doesn't make sense to do them at the same time.
[17:02]  * barry waves
[17:03] <robru> barry, stgraber, slangasek: so the spreadsheet is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFVHQ3FuMDJGLUZCamJfSjYzbWh3Wnc&usp=sharing
[17:10] <robru> barry, stgraber, slangasek: http://people.canonical.com/~rbpark/citrain/
[17:12] <davmor2> sil2100: one master bug I'll be adding to it after Tea
[17:13] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/+bug/1328187
[17:34] <stgraber> tedg: you got silo 014 for unity-scope-vimeo
[17:34] <tedg> stgraber, Great, thanks!
[17:40] <fginther> dobey, it did indeed :-) thanks
[17:42] <dobey> great :)
[17:48] <sil2100> barry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/FAQ
[17:48] <sil2100> barry, stgraber: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/citrain/silos/
[17:55] <robru> barry, stgraber: join #ubuntu-ci-choo-choo to be pinged
[17:59] <sil2100> o/
[18:00] <popey> tedg: on the subject of crashes on the phone, do you know if apport is switched on by default on the phone to upload (maybe  ev knows better)?
[18:01] <popey> because I find myself uploading crash dumps, because they don't seem to upload automagically
[18:01] <tedg> popey, I believe you have to opt-in, the new welcome allows you to do that.
[18:01] <popey> oooh!
[18:01] <popey> can i trigger new welcome?
[18:01] <tedg> popey, No, it's like the new customer deals at banks ;-)
[18:02] <slangasek> heh
[18:02] <slangasek> is it exposed in the settings?
[18:02] <tedg> Not sure how to do that, Cimi would be who I'd ping.
[18:02] <tedg> Yeah, it's in the about
[18:02] <tedg> Wait, sorry, privacy
[18:03] <tedg> There was a bug that the right file wasn't getting written by that setting, but I think it got fixed.
[18:03] <tedg> Perhaps Laney knows that? ^
[18:26] <brendand> where are these failures? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1319711
[18:27] <brendand> i didn't see them in any recent image, but we are highlighting them in the landing email
[18:58] <robru> brendand, if they're not in the latest image please email lukasz to tell him to take it off the landing email ;-)
[19:06] <brendand> robru, well of course i'm asking because i want to confirm that i'm looking at it right
[19:07] <robru> brendand, yeah, I don't see that failure in the latest smoketest run, and also the bug is marked as fixed, so it's likely just being included by mistake
[19:08] <brendand> robru, this is the right spot? http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/75:20140609:20140530/8487/ubuntu_system_settings/1235625/
[19:11] <robru> brendand, yep, you got it
[19:11] <brendand> robru, that hasn't failed since #30. it's a bit strange it got in the first place
[19:11] <robru> brendand, maybe check that it's been passing for more than just image 75, maybe it's flaky or something, if it' failed in the last 5 images it might still be relevant
[19:12] <robru> brendand, yeah, there aren't good guidelines for what failures should be in the landing mail
[19:12] <robru> probably just an honestmistake that it's been around so long
[19:12] <brendand> oh actually there's one at #52
[19:22] <robru> brendand, thanks for the email
[20:17] <ev> popey, tedg, slangasek: it should be opt-out by default
[20:18] <ev> if it's not, that's a bug :)
[20:18] <ev> it will only upload on wifi though
[20:18] <ev> so maybe that's what you're seeing, tedg?
[20:22] <tedg> ev, I haven't checked recently, but I think that it wasn't originally.
[20:23] <tedg> ev, I think that popey has an older install, so it's likely he doesn't have the defaults.
[20:23] <tedg> Would probably need to flash and wipe to ensure how things are.
[20:24] <tedg> Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it, we should probably write a test :-)
[20:25] <popey> ev: i have both old and fresh installs, none of the upload as far as I can tell
[20:26] <tedg> Oh, that's no good.
[20:28] <tedg> To #ubuntu-devel to grab bdmurray
[22:03] <Laney> tedg: The bug I fixed was in whoopsie(-preferences) itself. I think system-settings is poking it correctly. Check what the D-Bus interface things its properties are set to - I suspect if you've got a bug it's whoopsie not uploading for some reason
[22:03] <tedg> Laney, Yeah, I think that's where we're looking, discussing in #ubuntu-devel
[22:03] <Laney> ah
[22:03] <Laney> Oh yes. :)
[23:56] <rsalveti> robru: can I get a silo for line 34?