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| GunnarHj | belkinsa: ping? | 22:08 |
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| Megabyte | Hello | 22:12 |
| Megabyte | Guys, I have a little problem here | 22:12 |
| Megabyte | I was reading Ubuntu's User Guide | 22:13 |
| Megabyte | and I ran into this little fragment | 22:13 |
| Megabyte | "The early GUIs were difficult to configure, clunky, and generally only | 22:13 |
| Megabyte | used by seasoned computer programmers. In the past decade, however, | 22:13 |
| Megabyte | graphical user interfaces have grown in usability, reliability, and appearance. | 22:13 |
| Megabyte | Ubuntu is just one of many different Linux distributions." | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | Megabyte: which documentation is this? shipped on your system? | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | and which version :) | 22:14 |
| Megabyte | What does "Ubuntu is just one of many different [...]" has to do with "the early GUIs?" | 22:14 |
| Megabyte | pleia, this is "Getting Started With Ubuntu 13.10" | 22:14 |
| Megabyte | Most current version | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | Megabyte: from ubuntu-manual.org ? | 22:14 |
| GunnarHj | pleia2: The manual, in other words. | 22:14 |
| Megabyte | pleia2, precisely so | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | Megabyte: ok, you want #ubuntu-manual | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | there are a couple manual people here, but that's the channel were more of them hang out :) | 22:15 |
| knome | o hai pleia2 | 22:15 |
| * pleia2 hides | 22:15 | |
| Megabyte | pleia2, I think this content needs some more love | 22:15 |
| Megabyte | pleia2, Some of the information is inaccurate, too | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | Megabyte: right, we don't work on the manual, you want to chat with the manual folks, you can also submit bugs here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | 22:16 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: All the various docs need more love. Much more... | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | we work on help.ubuntu.com documentation | 22:16 |
| Megabyte | pleia2, I'm not sure that is a "bug..." | 22:16 |
| Megabyte | In the sense that it doesn't make things crash | 22:16 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, I strongly believe that | 22:16 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: It's a perfectly fine docs bug. | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | it's documentation, it doesn't need things to crash for it to be a bug | 22:17 |
| Megabyte | pleia2, I think it's overstretching to call these "bugs" | 22:17 |
| Megabyte | It also slows down the process of fixing them | 22:17 |
| Megabyte | *it / the info | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | Megabyte: even so, please join #ubuntu-manual to chat with them about it, we're a different project | 22:18 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: That's the term which is used on Launchpad. And it doesn't slow things down at all. On the contrary, it helps tracking the issues. | 22:18 |
| Megabyte | pleia2, I'm already there, but no dice | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | ok | 22:18 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, I'm trying to translate and update the info from the manual | 22:18 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: Aha, great! | 22:19 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, one person alone could do it... the problem is that the Ubuntu Manual is "assembled" in Launchpad, and automated with LaTeX | 22:19 |
| Megabyte | In a complicated makefile way | 22:19 |
| knome | pleia2, heh, not asking for anything.. this time.. yet | 22:20 |
| Megabyte | This makes it hard to actually focus on writing and improving docs | 22:20 |
| Megabyte | And adds extra layers of complexity | 22:20 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, I'm using LibreOffice with document styles and looking at the PDF side-by-side | 22:20 |
| belkinsa | GunnarHj, pong. | 22:21 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: Are you a member of ubuntu-manual? | 22:21 |
| GunnarHj | Hi belkinsa! | 22:22 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, nope. I can't even talk to them, mostly | 22:22 |
| Megabyte | (No one is there) | 22:22 |
| belkinsa | What's up? I was thinking of hosting the Hangout. | 22:22 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: I'd suggest you join the team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual | 22:23 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, That I've already done | 22:23 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, Joining through Launchpad | 22:23 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, But using Launchpad to translate this is overkill | 22:23 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: One person who you should try to reach is godbyk (Kevin Godby) | 22:23 |
| belkinsa | Then you can e-mail the mailing-list. | 22:23 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, That's my whole point, actually | 22:23 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, Ubuntu also lacks tools that would make localizing much more consisteny, like a multilingual glossary | 22:24 |
| Megabyte | *consistent | 22:24 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: Well, it's the way it's done currently. Once you get used to it it's not very complicated. | 22:24 |
| Megabyte | GunnarHj, I understand it's the way Ubuntu does it, but I disagree with the process | 22:25 |
| GunnarHj | Megabyte: It's ok to disagree. But this room isn't the right place to achieve any changes. | 22:26 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: I will be there on the docs roundtable on Wednesday. But I can't log in to the summit site. | 22:27 |
| belkinsa | That should go Mike Hall. at mhall119@ubuntu.com | 22:28 |
| belkinsa | Because you can't log in and he might help you. | 22:28 |
| knome | i guess ultimately this might be a good channel to discuss change, but the change won't happen overnight | 22:29 |
| belkinsa | Oh, wait mhall119 is here in this channel | 22:29 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Thanks for the tip. Did you have that problem before? | 22:29 |
| belkinsa | I never had it | 22:29 |
| GunnarHj | This is what I get: | 22:30 |
| GunnarHj | "The username (gunnarhj) with which you tried to log in is already in use for a different account." | 22:30 |
| belkinsa | knome, I agree and maybe this item could be brought up at the roundtable? | 22:30 |
| belkinsa | GunnarHj, I never seen that. | 22:30 |
| belkinsa | Have you cleared the chace? | 22:30 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Only if people who know anything about the manual participate. | 22:30 |
| knome | well i don't know if it's that much about the medium | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | GunnarHj, oh, then never mind. | 22:31 |
| knome | it's more about the suggest-making person first doing things, getting involved, getting to know people and only then even start discussing about a change | 22:31 |
| belkinsa | Megabyte, I would suggest that you e-mail the Manual mailing-list for help, someone might reply. | 22:32 |
| knome | changing the backend because a new contributor around thinks it's a good is too risky. | 22:32 |
| knome | *a good idea | 22:32 |
| knome | not to take anything off from the suggestion or say it's a bad idea. | 22:33 |
| Megabyte | knome, the multilingual glossary is a zero-risk idea, though | 22:35 |
| Megabyte | It's basically a table with original language, comments, target language, comments | 22:35 |
| Megabyte | knome, sorry to bring up this example, but it's really one of the best when it comes to an online technical glossary: | 22:36 |
| Megabyte | http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Default.aspx | 22:36 |
| Megabyte | An example of it in action | 22:37 |
| Megabyte | http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Search.aspx?sString=desktop&langID=pt-br | 22:37 |
| knome | who's going to take the time and effort to build it? | 22:55 |
| knome | who'll make sure the data is inserted? | 22:56 |
| knome | who'll maintain it? | 22:56 |
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