[01:11] <nhaines_> cpyarger: yes.  It breaks everything.
[01:11] <nhaines_> (The file system is across several mountpoints, some readonly, and I guess apt hates symlinks?)
[08:47] <danielbeck> hello! a new version of "green mahjong" was published in the click store. I wanted to ask if someone could try it out - so that I know if it starts now. (The touch emulator does not work for me).
[09:07] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I’ve seen that QTBUG-39289 has been fixed upstream, has the fix been pulled in our packages already?
[09:14] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yep, the fix is in the landing-005 PPA since Friday
[09:14] <oSoMoN> Mirv, does that mean we can get rid of my branch for webbrowser-app with the workarounds?
[09:16] <Mirv> oSoMoN: possibly, not tested though!
[09:16] <Mirv> maybe I could fire a build to see that
[09:16] <oSoMoN> Mirv, that would be a good thing, I’d like to kill this branch asap
[09:16] <Mirv> ok
[09:31] <oSoMoN> sil2100, any chance you (or someone from your team) can comment on the packaging changes in https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/official-api/+merge/221436 ?
[09:33] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hi! I already had a brief look at that, now since things are calmer I'm looking at it right now - sorry for the delay
[09:34] <oSoMoN> sil2100, no worries, I understand that you were caught in a storm last week, I appreciate that you hadn’t forgotten about it :)
[09:56] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks for the review, I pushed the change you requested
[10:01] <oSoMoN> sil2100, btw, do I need a manual entry in debian/changelog to explain the packaging changes?
[10:01] <sil2100> oSoMoN: np :) So, no need to do that, but it would be nice if you could document some of them in the commit message - then it will be visible in the changelog
[10:07] <oSoMoN> sil2100, got it, I’ll do that
[10:19] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I updated the commit message, would you mind having a quick proofread and let me know if it is clear/sufficient?
[10:29] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure :)
[10:44] <om26er> sil2100, do you have the latest image on your phone ? is screen rotation working ?
[10:45] <popey> om26er: i do, it does
[10:46] <om26er> popey, oh, seems my phone fell yesterday that might have broken the rotation sensor then
[11:09] <davmor2> om26er: shell doesn't apps do
[11:10] <om26er> davmor2, right, that has been the case for a while now. but for me none of the apps are rotating, I am reflashing
[11:11] <davmor2> om26er: ouch you broked it :D
[11:13] <Mirv> oSoMoN: quickly before I fly towards airport, webbrowser success with just trunk rebuild! https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+sourcepub/4225603/+listing-archive-extra
[11:16] <oSoMoN> Mirv, awesome, thanks!
[11:16] <oSoMoN> I’ll kill the MR
[11:23] <om26er> oSoMoN, is the work on new design for browser on the way ?
[11:24] <oSoMoN> om26er, it’s underway, but nothing concrete to show off yet
[11:31] <rickspencer3> popey, your youtube web app works great on my phone, but not my Nexus 7 :(
[11:31] <popey> rickspencer3: oh, interesting. what happens?
[11:32] <rickspencer3> oops, it's not showing the video on my phone :(
[11:32] <popey> i bet it detects screen size and switches to desktop mode?
[11:32] <rickspencer3> popey, on my nexus 7 when I click it, it just reloads the page
[11:32] <popey> you on #71 ?
[11:32] <ogra_> thats the old behavior
[11:32] <popey> (you need to be)
[11:32] <rickspencer3> popey, not sure, I did update , but let me try again
[11:33] <popey> #71 was where yt started working, that's when I pushed the app to the store.
[11:33] <rickspencer3> there are tons of updates for my tablet
[11:33] <rickspencer3> I'll try updating all and see if it's fixed
[11:34] <ogra_> well, you mostly want the system update first (if there is one)
[11:34] <ogra_> we dont have a way yet to exclude core apps from the click updates if they are included inside a system image
[11:35] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I alwayts say "update all"
[11:35] <ogra_> yeah, that just wastes your bandwith
[11:35] <rickspencer3> well, I'm on wireless
[11:35] <rickspencer3> I think it's super confusing
[11:35] <rickspencer3> I hope the settings guy figure out a fix for that
[11:35] <ogra_> install the system update first, then check again which click packages are left
[11:36] <ogra_> (is what i do)
[11:36] <rickspencer3> ogra_, right, but what user will ever know to do that?
[11:36] <popey> IMO it should do the clicks first
[11:36] <ogra_> yeah, that needs automation
[11:36] <ogra_> popey, why ? the clicks are in the system upgrade anyway
[11:36] <ogra_> it should hide them if they are
[11:37] <popey> not always
[11:37] <ogra_> well, the ones that are
[11:37] <ogra_> it not like we dont have the info whats in the system image at which version
[11:37] <popey> right, well hide those, but show the others, like your games or whatever
[11:37] <ogra_> right
[11:37] <popey> but install the clicks _then_ the system image
[11:37] <ogra_> just talking about the core apps here
[11:37] <popey> that way you only do it once and reboot
[11:37] <popey> sure
[11:37] <ogra_> if they are hidden i dont care about the order ;)
[11:40] <rickspencer3> nice! app loading animation!
[11:41] <rickspencer3> popey, it's working fine on my tablet now
[11:41] <rickspencer3> thanks for the app!
[11:43] <popey> sweet
[11:52] <rickspencer3> popey, ogra_, so I'm going for a week of holiday 2 weeks from now
[11:52] <rickspencer3> I think that my Nexus is 7 working so well ...
[11:53] <rickspencer3> I'm planning to just bring that and my phone!
[11:53] <rickspencer3> (no laptop or netbook!)
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> i got n7 working nicely too rickspencer3
[11:53] <ogra_> brave !
[11:53] <rickspencer3> lotuspsychje, soon we'll get shell rotation, and that will mean side stage on the nexus 7!
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> rickspencer3: terminal apps sideway install, really?
[11:54] <rickspencer3> lotuspsychje, haha, I assume terminal app would go into sidestage
[11:54] <rickspencer3> but, I don't know for a fact
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> you guys just made my day :p
[11:54] <popey> oh nice
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> i miss my packages :p
[11:55] <cwayne> ogra_: hi, any chance to land u-t-s now that the madness is over? :)
[11:55]  * ogra_ isnt really here ... 
[11:55] <popey> cwayne: poke sil2100 perhaps?
[11:56] <popey> rickspencer3: you going to irc from the device?
[11:56] <rickspencer3> popey, not atm
[11:56] <rickspencer3> popey, I usually stay away from IRC on holidays, but it's good to know it's an option
[11:58] <sil2100> oSoMoN: as for the commit message - it looks really nice, there is one problem with it but I'll maybe try fixing it in CITrain
[11:58] <sil2100> oSoMoN: this merge is not yet set for landing, right?
[11:59] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’d like to land it today, if everything goes well
[11:59] <sil2100> oSoMoN: since currently the changelog entries generated from commit messages are "flattened out", so it cannot be so nicely formatted :< It's a bug in citrain though
[11:59] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll give you a sign if I can make it better at our side
[12:00] <oSoMoN> ok, thanks
[12:00] <sil2100> If not I'll simply ask you to remove '-' and just list the packaging changes one after another ;p
[12:00] <sil2100> (which will look worse)
[12:00] <oSoMoN> ok
[12:46] <ralsina_> Hello! I am trying to use messaging menu on the phone and am running into a problem, the example that works on the desktop using libmessaging-menu does nothing on the phone, anyone can give me a hand?
[12:48] <tedg> ralsina_, Sure, the phone is a little different in that it uses the hero items more.
[12:49] <tedg> ralsina_, larsu is the best guy to ask, but seems he's not in here, #ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:49] <ralsina_> tedg thanks!
[12:53] <jdstrand> popey: ack, thanks
[13:50] <om26er_> davmor2, hey! image 75 my sim is not working, is it working for you
[13:52] <davmor2> om26er_: works for me
[13:53] <jdstrand> mterry: hey, so with the new split greeter, I can't adjust the background anymore via settings. is this a known bug?
[13:54] <mterry> jdstrand, fixed in -proposed
[13:54] <jdstrand> ok, thanks
[13:54] <mterry> jdstrand, you can do it via command line if you really want
[13:55] <jdstrand> mterry: what source package has the fix?
[13:55] <mterry> jdstrand, ubuntu-system-settings
[13:55] <davmor2> mterry: I could do with having a word with you after to figure out what you have already fixed indicator wise
[13:55] <davmor2> damn it google contacts sync isn't happening
[13:55] <mterry>  davmor2, not much on the indicator side (if you're thinking of indicator-message stuff) -- that's mostly on Ted's plate
[13:55] <jdstrand> mterry: ok, thanks. I'll just wait for the package. if we don't get a promoted image, I'll likely install what is in -proposed
[13:56] <davmor2> mterry: that looks mostly fixed but there were others like the alarms indicator not showing in date time
[13:56] <mterry> davmor2, ah yeah.  Most of the indicator stuff is in Ted's TODO
[13:58] <davmor2> mterry: right okay, and what about notifications?  sms/calls seem to work now but alarms again are still hidden is that tied into indicators too?
[13:59] <mterry> davmor2, I'm looking at some snap decision notification stuff.   One bug 1325702 is fixed but waiting to land.  Another similar bug 1327257 is being investigated by me, but it's hard to reproduce
[14:02] <jdstrand> mterry: fyi, there were a bunch of apparmor denials with telepathy-mission-control-5 with the split greeter. I just uploaded a new telepathy-mission-control-5 to fix that
[14:02] <mterry> jdstrand, oooh -- I never noticed those.  Thank you!
[14:03] <davmor2> mterry: so alarms is pretty easy for me to reproduce once I swipe the welcome screen the snap decision for the alarm is available until I do that there is nothing but ringing
[14:03] <mterry> jdstrand, was the phablet username hardcoded?
[14:03] <mterry> Or maybe a group membership?
[14:03] <jdstrand> no it wasn't that. it was that the split greeter wanted a bunch of accesses in the /var/lib/lightdm dir
[14:04] <jdstrand> /var/lib/lightdm isn't part of @{HOME}, so those accesses were denied
[14:04] <mterry> davmor2, oh yeah, that's not in the same vein as the other snap decision issues.  That alarm issue is just because the indicator in the greeter never issues the snap decision request
[14:04] <mterry> jdstrand, makes sense.  I never noticed those errors in the log
[14:04] <davmor2> mterry: right
[14:04] <mterry> jdstrand, /var/lib/lightdm-data is another directory that users and the lightdm user both want access to btw
[14:05] <mterry> jdstrand, what was the symptom of that?  Like, a lot of telephony stuff works -- I would have expected nothing would if there were apparmor denials
[14:06] <jdstrand> I was doing some other profiling work and noticed the denials. I didn't investigate how it affected functionality
[14:07] <mterry> hrm...  I wonder if this fixes an odd telephony/snap-decision issue I'm looking at
[14:08] <jdstrand> possibly
[14:08] <mterry> I love it when jdstrand fixes my bugs before I even know they are broken  ;)
[14:08] <jdstrand> hehe :)
[14:16] <rickspencer3> Kaleo, hey, there was an optimization regarding images that are sized at load time that you recommended to me
[14:16] <rickspencer3> I forget what it was :/
[14:18] <jfunk> ogra_, hey I heard you might know something about finding a change log for touch updates
[14:20] <davmor2> jfunk: ogra_ is on holiday
[14:20] <jfunk> davmor2, ack thx
[14:20] <davmor2> jfunk: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[14:21] <davmor2> jfunk: that is the change logs for each image in the unity line
[14:32] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’d like to proceed to publishing silo 12, any chance on the changelog formatting issue, or should I reformat my commit message?
[14:35] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so I'm still testing my branch locally, I prefer not to risk it and block on this right now - could your reformat the commit message?
[14:36] <oSoMoN> sure
[14:38] <oSoMoN> sil2100, done, would you mind doing the publication for me?
[14:39] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure, thanks!
[14:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: oh, ok, I see that you would have to actually rebuild the package to get the updated commit message - but no need for that as I see the old one doesn't look tragically
[14:41] <sil2100> So I would say it's acceptable quality
[14:41] <sil2100> We'll make sure the next ones look awesome ;)
[14:41] <oSoMoN> good :)
[14:41] <sil2100> Let me try publishing
[15:22] <rickspencer3> the new app loading animation is a huge improvement, imho
[15:23] <Tassadar> is that going to stay? I mean, it's nice and all, but the fact that apps need a loading animation doesn't seem all that great to me, compared to other mobile systems
[15:24] <rickspencer3> Tassadar, not sure what you mean
[15:24] <rickspencer3> iOS just puts up a white rectangle, etc...
[15:24] <rickspencer3> I think the animation is nicer
[15:24] <ubuntum7ul> hello
[15:25] <Tassadar> okay, so it should've been "compared to android"
[15:25] <rickspencer3> Tassadar, the plan, though, is to let apps define what the splash experience looks like
[15:25] <rickspencer3> and to have a default one for that apps that don't make such a definition
[15:25] <rickspencer3> also, we think we'll get app start up time cut to less than half of what it is with some of the work ricmm is leading
[15:26] <rickspencer3> Tassadar, what does android do?
[15:26] <Tassadar> it just launches the app
[15:26] <ubuntum7ul> I was wondering if any porters were around to help me with my build. I've finally managed to make it boot but I'd like to make wifi and gsm work before posting it
[15:26] <Tassadar> immediatelly
[15:26] <rickspencer3> really? I remember waiting for the apps for quite some time before I switched to ubuntu
[15:27] <rickspencer3> the only one that opened fast for me was the dialer, because they opened that at start up
[15:27] <rickspencer3> interesting
[15:27] <rickspencer3> they must have done something to make things start up faster
[15:28] <Tassadar> I'm on n5 right now (pretty high-end device) and most apps launch like this: animation of expanding rectangle of the same color as app's background -> you see the top action bar and empty background for a fraction of a second -> whole app draws
[15:29] <Tassadar> it's pretty quick, but if you're working on that, then that's what I wanted to hear - android has years of development behind it, after all
[15:29] <davmor2> rickspencer3: the app loading is nice but I think it makes it feel like the app is taking long to open than it actually is :)
[15:29] <rickspencer3> davmor2, interesting, I thought it made it feel faster than the white rectangle
[15:29] <mhall119> oSoMoN: is there currently no way to bookmark a page in webbrowser-app?
[15:30] <davmor2> mhall119: open activities and click on the star on the page you are on?
[15:30] <oSoMoN> mhall119, yes, in the activity view, the current tabs have a small star icon which is a toggle
[15:32] <mhall119> ah ha, thanks guys
[15:32] <davmor2> rickspencer3: I think it is because before you had no sense of time, but with the spinner there you get an idea of time.  So if each cycle is a second that's 3-5 seconds for each app
[15:33] <mhall119> davmor2: we should slow the spinner then :)
[15:33] <rickspencer3> we should show a little rotating Tardis
[15:34] <Tassadar> or a random cat gif
[15:34] <Tassadar> (not rotating)
[15:34] <rickspencer3> then people would just start apps to the see the gifs .... what a killer feature
[15:34] <davmor2> rickspencer3: just the blue flashy light on the tardis box and then it disappears as the app opens :)
[15:34] <rickspencer3> we'd be the first Cat-Based OS where users ask for *slower* app start up time
[15:36] <davmor2> like it
[15:36] <popey> Windows 8 has a loading splash too.
[15:36] <popey> rotating windows logo zooming towards the user
[15:37] <davmor2> popey: so you're saying ours is better then :)
[15:37] <popey> ours is indeed different
[15:37] <popey> And android is far from instant on non-bleeding-edge hardware
[15:37] <davmor2> tedg: Hey dude how many of the issues with indicators do you have bugs for?
[15:38] <davmor2> popey: agreed g+ on my xoom takes an age
[15:38]  * Tassadar isn't sure if win8 is the right system to look up to
[15:38] <popey> not looking up, comparing
[15:38] <rickspencer3> Win8 is interesting because they are a late entrant that is making traction
[15:43] <cwayne> phablet-screenshot broken for anyone else?
[15:44] <popey> bug 1327139
[15:44] <popey> cwayne: ninja edit the script to add the socket path which is now /var/run
[15:48] <cwayne> popey: <3
[15:55] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I got 2 of each core app today?
[15:55] <pmcgowan> one with icona nd one without
[15:56] <pmcgowan> popey, ^^
[15:56] <popey> how odd, davmor2 had that too, i dont
[15:57] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I had it earlier showed it popey only one shows up.  Do you also see duplicate apps in available too
[15:57] <davmor2> pmcgowan: is it terminal and clock by any chance?
[15:58] <pmcgowan> terminal, clock, music, calculator,
[15:58] <pmcgowan> no other dupes
[15:58] <pmcgowan> I think these 4 apps had updates
[15:59] <popey> do you have multiple entries for those apps in /home/phablet/.local/share/applications ?
[16:00] <davmor2> pmcgowan: so I only had terminal and clock.  I'm wondering if it is that the apps were updated in the store and then updated in the image
[16:00] <pmcgowan> davmor2, yeah two desktops for each
[16:00] <pmcgowan> popey, ^^
[16:00]  * pmcgowan -> lunch
[16:01] <davmor2> yay alarms and youtube work together
[16:01] <popey> right, so remove /home/phablet/.local/share/applications/*.desktop and then reboot
[16:08] <tedg> davmor2, All of the issues we have bugs for ;-)
[16:09] <tedg> davmor2, Hard to quantify :-)
[16:11] <davmor2> tedg: so the issues between the greeter version of indicators and the unity8 version of indicators
[16:12] <tedg> davmor2, We've got several, not sure about all. We're waiting on some updated designs before we start on them.
[16:16] <cjwatson> mhall119: OK, my ADSL is fixed, so I guess I'm doing this after all; Steve is scheduling https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-rtm-archive
[16:21] <mhall119> thanks cjwatson :)
[16:29] <davmor2> man alarms and youtube at the same time on the phone was I only off for a week
[16:29] <davmor2> tedg: do you have a tag or anything that you are using for greeter bugs and do you know which indicators are waiting on design?
[16:32] <tedg> davmor2, Messaging menu is the big one. I don't think a tag is necessary, do you?
[16:36] <davmor2> tedg: tag isn't essential but it does make the bugs easier to find.  If they are spread over more than one project.  I'm assuming that each issue is assigned to separate indicators
[16:38] <davmor2> tedg: so things like the bluetooth indicator does nothing because it doesn't sync with the unity8 version so it doesn't turn off bt for example, or that the alarms indicator doesn't show and nor does the notifyosd for alarms etc
[16:40] <tedg> davmor2, The tag doesn't excite me, but if you want to go and organize them like that I won't stop you.
[16:40] <tedg> We'll work on them by priority whether or not there's a tag :-)
[16:40] <tedg> I rarely need to search for bugs, they find me.  ;-)
[16:40] <davmor2> tedg: so do you have a list somewhere that you are working through
[16:41] <davmor2> tedg: haha yeah I find them and forward them expressly ;)
[16:41] <tedg> davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-menu-bar
[16:41] <davmor2> tedg: nice one I'll hunt through them and see what is missing then ta
[16:42] <tedg> I think that list does need some cleanup. Last one was done by charles a month or so ago.
[16:44] <tedg> davmor2, Honestly though, most of the focus is on feature landings right now. Bugs will be next month. But most of of the greeter stuff is feature.
[16:48] <davmor2> tedg: yeah, we are trying to find a nice way to let users know there are issues we are aware of them they will be fixed in due course.  Rather than your keep getting the same bug time and time again :)  I might go for a master bug that links to the work item bugs then the master bug can be added to the mailing list
[16:49] <tedg> K, that works too.
[17:44] <olli> dobey, do you think we can do the alphabetical sort in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1320920
[17:45] <dobey> olli: yes, working on it right now in fact.
[17:45] <olli> saweet, mind updating the bug?
[17:46] <dobey> yes, i will shortly. there's another bug this branch will fix too.
[17:47] <olli> the more, the merrier, thx dobey keep up the work!
[17:47] <dobey> sure :)
[17:49] <mihir> popey: ping !
[17:51] <popey> mihir: pong!
[17:51] <dobey> what the heck. wifi is weird. before malta, n4 had terrible trouble on home wifi, but my n5 works fine. in malta, n4 worked great on wifi, but n5 didn't work on it at all. come back home, and of ocurse n4 doesn't work on my home wifi, but n5 does.
[17:53] <popey> dobey: my n4 always associates with the farthest access point for me
[17:53] <popey> use to associate with the nearest one
[17:53] <dobey> popey: even if i stand directly in the middle, it doesn't work :)
[17:54] <dobey> it connects just fine, but no network stuff actually works
[17:54] <dobey> connects to wifi just fine i mean. but it sucks at resolving dns or making actual tcp/udp connections
[17:55] <popey> olli: dobey sorting alphabetically seems wrong to me. will look stale as all the A, B, C apps are at the top all the time.
[17:55] <popey> I'd much rather it sorted based on reviews/ratings
[17:56] <mihir> popey: did you get a chance to review MR on device , repetation option in calendar ?
[17:56] <popey> mihir: no, my device has been dedicated to doing qt5.3 testing, will do it tonight, sorry.
[17:56] <mihir> popey: no issues.
[17:56] <mihir> popey: i found this bug , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1328203
[17:56] <dobey> popey: far in the future it will sort however you want.
[17:57] <dobey> popey: it's not like the apps on your iOS/android devices ever move around unless you move them, right?
[17:58] <popey> mihir: did you see the agenda view bug I filed.
[17:58] <popey> bug 1328144
[17:58] <mihir> popey: yup, i triaged it as well
[17:59] <popey> so you did!
[17:59] <popey> seems like a simple sorting issue
[18:01] <mihir> popey: yup, looking into it , i pushed MR for the bug i filed , if you get time that is trivial  one though.
[18:01] <dobey> popey: if you don't think it should be a-z for rtm, feel free to try and convince mark and design to change it by end of this week :)
[18:01] <popey> hah
[18:02] <dobey> because we've got way too much work to do in the click scope already so changing stuff again at this point is not likely to happen :)
[18:05] <popey> there, left a comment
[18:05] <dobey> hmm
[18:06] <dobey> should https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1328183 get assigned to ubuntu-ux as well?
[18:07] <dobey> popey: oh, you're complaining about available apps. the sorting bug is only for installed apps
[18:07] <popey> bah! :D
[18:07] <dobey> popey: for available apps, we're just getting the order from the store (and there are big changes coming soon to how the store works, so it'll be easier to browse and such, along with "top apps" and similar features)
[18:08] <popey> ok
[21:02] <robotfuel> I have one phone that fails when I try to use ubuntu-device-flash, it always fails on the recovery section with 'Failed to enter Recovery' my phone is hung on a google logo screen
[21:02] <robotfuel> has anyone else run in to this?
[21:03] <dobey> google text logo, or the nexus boot animation logo?
[21:03] <robotfuel> dobey: the google text logo
[21:04] <dobey> does "adb reboot recovery" go to recovery?
[21:06] <robotfuel> dobey: no to the google text screen, my device has a serial number of 0123456789ABCDEF.
[21:07] <robotfuel> which is not right
[21:07] <robotfuel> I can manually boot in to recovery
[21:08] <dobey> robotfuel: i'd try booting to the bootloader and doing ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap
[21:15] <daker> dobey: to get your bug fixed, you need a team of evangelist like mozilla does
[21:17] <daker> and you need track every site that doesn't work with our UA, and the get in thouch with the site owners and try to convince them to get serve the correct content for you
[21:18] <dobey> i don't think that's true
[21:19] <daker> dobey: why :D ?
[21:21] <dobey> for one, it only perpetuates the problem, it doesn't solve it
[21:23] <daker> dobey: so what's the solution you think we can do to solve it ?
[21:26] <dobey> well, a proper solution would be to get web sites to not use the user-agent in the way that they are. evangelism will help with that, but only when the evangelists are evangelizing the right thing, and not evangelizing support for yet another browser that over-extends the user-agent header
[21:27] <daker> dobey: yes that's what we call UA sniffing vs Responsive Website/Design
[21:30] <daker> dobey: but this is not doable
[21:30] <dobey> daker: at the very least, the webapps we ship on our phone should not be showing advertisements for android.
[21:30] <dobey> for rtm
[21:31] <lauri__> hey! does anyone know how you can try to install ubuntu touch on acer iconia w4?
[21:31] <dobey> and i don't think it's a problem that you get the full web site of twitter.com if you go there in the browser, versus using the webapp
[21:32] <dobey> !devices | lauri__
[21:34] <daker> dobey: the only solution to not get the ads is not Android UA :)
[21:34] <daker> not use*
[21:34] <dobey> daker: it's not the *only* solution. it's the fastest
[21:34] <dobey> and it's certainly what we should be doing anyway
[21:35] <dobey> daker: another option would be to add a bit of custom js to the webapps, to hide any android app adds for those sites
[21:36] <dobey> daker: yet another option, would be to have the browser have an adblock-type feature with a list of such android app ads to block
[21:36] <daker> dobey: you'll endup having non functional website, light mobile version of twitter/g+/facebook/gmail
[21:36] <dobey> all increasingly more complex than changing the UA of course :)
[21:36] <lauri__> hmmmmm... looks like that is for android devices, but this is x86 device
[21:36] <dobey> daker: no
[21:37] <dobey> daker: simply stripping the "Android" out of the UA and going to mobile.twitter.com gives you the exact same experience, but without the annoying ad
[21:37] <daker> dobey: sure about this :D ?
[21:37] <dobey> daker: yes. i just tested it in firefox :)
[21:38] <daker> i'll need to try that
[21:38] <daker> the only option i see, is to try to benefit from what mozilla did
[21:38] <dobey> daker: the only thing you don't get there, is if you go to https://twitter.com/ in the browser, it doesn't redirect to mobile site, without the Android thing
[21:38] <dobey> which i think is a fine problem to have in the browser app
[21:39] <daker> dobey: then will have a problem their if it doesn't redirect
[21:39] <dobey> daker: the webapp goes to mobile.twitter.com always, so it doesn't have a problem
[21:40] <dobey> daker: and i think we want to encourage people to use the apps rather than going to web sites in the browser directly, anyway
[21:40] <daker> dobey: yes
[21:42] <dobey> so i don't think the browsering going to full site is a big problem there
[21:43] <dobey> what would be nice, is if the browser could replace such android app ads with links to our app store, for cases where there is an app in the store
[21:43] <dobey> but alas
[21:43] <dobey> i'm just sad that everyone keeps telling me i should buy an iphone or use android
[21:44] <dobey> (and really, they're just all telling me to buy an iphone, because passbook)
[21:45] <daker> :)
[21:45] <dobey> :(
[21:46] <dobey> it's even worse, because the iphone 4S is pretty much the perfect size for a phone to be, in one's hand
[21:58] <daker> apple doesn't produce 4S anymore AFAIK
[21:59] <dobey> well, lg doesn't make N4 any more either :)
[21:59] <dobey> i do wish we would officially support the N5
[22:00] <daker> :)
[22:00] <popey> I agree about the 4S
[22:00] <popey> I prefer that phone size over anything bigger
[22:01] <popey> <- dainty lady hands
[22:01] <dobey> and i can buy a refurbished iphone 4S for < $300 on ebay
[22:02] <dobey> oh wow, the 5S price is crazy
[22:03] <dobey> $750 for a phone? is it 2007 still?
[22:07] <dobey> anyway, i'd very much like to not be constantly bludgeoned with ads for android apps :)
[22:07] <dobey> (and i totally want an app like passbook, on ubuntu)
[22:13] <dobey> oh well, time to go do other things
[22:13] <dobey> later
[22:36] <galaxyman> hello everyone
[22:37] <galaxyman> has anyone tried flashing ubuntu touch onto a galaxy tab 3 lite yet?