[05:38] <Amit_> hi
[06:21] <DJones> Morning all
[07:13] <mapps>  morning
[07:13] <mapps> nice day today
[07:32] <Myrtti> best way to ruin a weekend: not realising your new allergy meds need to be taken more often than once a day
[07:34] <mapps> hayfever?
[07:35] <Myrtti> yeah. Ive not taken it yet this.morning and sneezed six times whike writing that
[07:35] <Myrtti> it gets old quite quick
[07:50] <mapps> =[
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[07:55] <mapps> hey
[08:30] <foobarry> i take the meds and i still sneeze 6 times anyway
[08:57] <foobarry> not sure why people insist on turning on fluoro lighting when the natural light is sufficient
[08:58] <Myrtti> less shadows? I don't know.
[08:58] <foobarry> more squinting
[08:58] <Gargoyle> foobarry: Your idea of sufficient might not be the same as someone elses. Often I will also turn on the light in a room to change the colour of the light.
[08:59] <foobarry> most monitors are backlit though
[08:59] <Gargoyle> foobarry: And it's not good for you to be staring at a bright monitor in a dark room.
[08:59] <foobarry> its certainly not dark though :(
[09:00] <Gargoyle> Just your perspective.
[09:00] <foobarry> and all the others in the room before the 10% turn up who do these things
[09:01] <directhex> ask your friendly safety & occupational health officer to do an evaluation on the room's lighting, to put it to rest
[09:01] <foobarry> lol
[09:01] <foobarry> there's dripping sewage in the corridor and dangerous objects
[09:01] <Gargoyle> When I was younger I wouldn't mind so much - I'd stay up all night playing games in a fairy dark room. Now I turn on the light even when it gets overcast outside.
[09:01] <foobarry> they did nowt about that
[09:01] <Gargoyle> *fairly
[09:02] <foobarry> its probably telling that the only glasses wearer is the light turner onner
[09:02] <Gargoyle> foobarry: Do the lights being on effect you?
[09:02] <foobarry> i think open plan has these annoyances and nobody is ever happy :S
[09:03] <foobarry> Gargoyle: yep, its a really low ceiling and the lights shime in your eyes, most of us keep the lights off
[09:03] <foobarry> should wear a cap really
[09:03] <Gargoyle> foobarry: Then the lights need diffusers.
[09:03] <foobarry> yep
[09:05] <ali1234> http://cdn.gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/weird-laptop-privacy-sock.jpg
[09:05] <ali1234> problem solved
[09:05] <Gargoyle> So you're targeting your annoyance at the wrong person. :P
[09:05] <foobarry> lol
[09:06] <foobarry> my wife could knit me one
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:45] <Laney> bleddy students
[09:46] <Laney> House over the road from ours decided to have a house party late into the night
[09:46] <Laney> why do people have to scream :|
[09:46] <foobarry> cos exams are over
[09:46] <foobarry> and hormones
[09:47] <Laney> air rifle needed
[09:48] <foobarry> of all the hayfever drugs i take, these sugar pills seem to work the best for my itchy eyes
[10:45] <ali1234> i just received 1 replacement google mini from ebay. the cpu heatsink was not screwed to the motherboard, it was just loose inside. and it has knocked a component off the motherboard.
[10:46] <foobarry> anyone using a chromecast with a non-supported router?
[10:46] <foobarry> i have a huawei, which are not on the list
[10:48] <popey> they have supported routers?
[10:48] <popey> ali1234: what's a google mini?
[10:49] <ali1234> a 1U server
[10:49] <ali1234> that runs rhel and google search appliance
[10:49] <popey> oh those
[10:53] <bigcalm> Mario Kart 8 has been dispatched. Wii U has yet to be dispatched. Shame there is no intelligence behind dispatching multiple items in a single order from Tesco Direct
[10:54] <popey> blimey, people buy the Wii U?
[10:54] <Myrtti> bigcalm is the second person I've heard have done it
[10:55] <bigcalm> I want to play Zelda in HD and Mario Kart 8. Unlikely I'll be in a rush to buy any other games for it (unless they are Lego titles)
[10:55] <ali1234> mario kart 8 does look very good
[10:55] <bigcalm> Anybody want to buy a Wii? ;)
[11:55] <foobarry> does mario kart 8 follow the good/bad/good/bad pattern?
[11:55] <foobarry> mario kart wii was good
[11:55] <foobarry> mario kart SNES was good/epic
[11:55] <foobarry> mario kart 64 was bad IMO
[11:56] <shauno> I thought that was star trek
[11:56] <foobarry> and windows releases
[11:57] <shauno> nah, windows do the 'teleltubby' cycle.  eh, ow, eh, ow, eh, ow
[11:59] <Wobbo> I am looking for a tool to retrieve. All not necessary spaces and carriage returns out in HTML, JavaScripts and CSS. Alle for a smartphone site. As with jQuery min stuff. Any tips?
[12:00] <Wobbo> Some Linux software or site that can do this. Are addon for Aptana?
[12:13] <diddledan> morning
[12:33] <Myrtti> awwwwww
[12:33] <Myrtti> BBC iPlayer wanted me to fill a questionnaire
[12:33] <Myrtti> their scale doesn't go up to 11 :-(
[13:02] <davmor2> Myrtti: 11 is hidden you just need to push the slider really hard :)
[13:09] <Myrtti> what slider?
[13:09] <Myrtti> they were radio buttons
[13:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: man BBC suckage :)
[13:57] <bigcalm> How do you alter ~/.ssh/config so that when you ssh to a remote server, it only uses an SSH key if a specific user was specified?
[14:02] <awilkins> bigcalm, Isn't that specified by the server?
[14:02] <awilkins> bigcalm, ie, you only use a key that is listed in that user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the server
[14:02] <awilkins> So if there isn't such a file, that user will not attempt PK auth?
[14:02] <bigcalm> Humm, okay
[14:08] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBmdkhDGZ8A#t=1258 compulsory viewing 22mins-30mins for anyone thinking of a career in public sector
[14:25] <foobarry> almost saved up for my new phone :P
[14:25] <foobarry> £99.39 in amazon vouchers
[14:26] <foobarry> kindle fire are cheap now :|
[14:34] <diddledan> davmor2: I wasn't aware the BBC published man-pages
[14:35] <davmor2> diddledan: only for ascii iplayer
[14:35] <diddledan> foobarry: how have you managed to get that many amazon vouchers?
[14:35] <foobarry> doing surveys
[14:35] <diddledan> wow
[14:36] <foobarry> initially had some birthday vouchers but only first 40quid
[14:36] <foobarry> and i spent 50 quid along the way because i thought i was buying on cc but it sucked my bvouchers
[14:36] <diddledan> :-(
[14:36] <foobarry> i do surveys onthe laptop when i'm watching the kids
[14:36] <foobarry> play trains sets etc
[14:37] <foobarry> about ISPs, mobile phones
[14:37] <foobarry> did a survey about the cover for the DVD of a movie the other day, choosing my favourite one
[14:38] <foobarry> be interseting to see which they choose
[16:00] <bigcalm> In case anybody missed it everywhere else - Rik Mayall has died
[16:02] <foobarry> what?
[16:02] <bigcalm> :(
[16:02] <foobarry> no
[16:02] <foobarry> what of?
[16:03] <bigcalm> No idea
[16:04] <daftykins> !
[16:23] <Myrtti> davmor2: lol, @BBCiPlayer favourited my tweet about it :-D https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/475978163630395392
[16:25]  * Myrtti puts her helmet on to prepare for the grammar purists
[16:28] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:28] <daftykins> the turn-it-to-11 does amuse
[16:28] <daftykins> not getting on too well with the new iPlayer design on my smart TV, though
[16:28] <daftykins> harder to find my local news now :P
[16:29] <Aturnwald> Hello, I've got a Problem with Ubuntu 13.10, I can't install any packages, because the file git-daemon-sysinit is broken or corruped, so can anyone help me, please ?
[16:30] <daftykins> ah i saw you in the other channel but you left too soon
[16:30] <daftykins> Aturnwald: can you use paste.ubuntu.com to show the output of the terminal command "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[16:30] <Aturnwald> ahh, O.K. I even don't know, how my chat is working, because this is my 1st time I'll do chatting
[16:31] <bigcalm> 13.10 reaches its End Of Life next month. Hope you can update to 14.04 soon :)
[16:31] <Aturnwald> where can I move there ?
[16:31] <bigcalm> (once you get apt working) :)
[16:32] <Aturnwald> no, I can't update, because my computers breaks down again, and I must pay another 200 Punds to fix it
[16:32] <Aturnwald> +#
[16:33] <daftykins> err
[16:33] <daftykins> i don't see how upgrading from one ubuntu version to another will cost you money
[16:33] <Aturnwald> so, where must I pase that output ?
[16:33] <daftykins> Aturnwald: so can you visit http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste that output to there?
[16:34] <daftykins> it'll give you a link to paste back here so we can see
[16:34] <Aturnwald> O.K. I'll try it, I'll be back soon.
[16:34] <daftykins> ok
[16:35] <Aturnwald> O.K. I've done it. Hope you can see it
[16:36] <bigcalm> You need to paste the URL into here
[16:36] <Myrtti> btw if anyone is interested, E3 is on, stream started on XBox.
[16:37] <Aturnwald> chers, here it is, hopefully paste.ubuntu.com/7618927/
[16:37]  * daftykins looks
[16:38] <bigcalm> Thank goodness for Google translate :)
[16:38] <daftykins> lol german
[16:38] <Aturnwald> ohh, sorry, noremally it should be in  english, but right now I cant change it
[16:39] <Aturnwald> No, it's not German, it's from Bavaria, a really south point there, smile
[16:39] <bigcalm> Chromium offered to translate it, it's readable enough :)
[16:39] <daftykins> having trouble with translate here
[16:39] <daftykins> Aturnwald: yeah i had a housemate from there once in Uni time ;)
[16:40] <Aturnwald> #no, my English is good enough, because I studied in Scotland
[16:41] <daftykins> Aturnwald: can you run "sudo dpkg -r git-daemon-sysvinit" ?
[16:41] <bigcalm> Aturnwald: can you do this? sudo apt-get update
[16:41] <daftykins> Aturnwald: please pastebin it running
[16:41] <Aturnwald> O.K. give me a litte time
[16:46] <Aturnwald> give me a little time ,please
[16:47] <bigcalm> No rush :)
[16:47] <daftykins> yeah, we're here
[16:47] <NET||abuse> updatedto 14.04, have a bug in chromium, will have to test firefox and google-chrome, if i click and drag a highlighted text on a webpage, the tab freezes. i can ctrl+w close the tab and ctrl+shift+t reopen it and all is well, other tabs are unaffected.
[16:48] <bigcalm> Text
[16:48] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: Works for me :)
[16:48] <NET||abuse> ok, seems to only be chromium
[16:48] <daftykins> NET||abuse: try a clean profile maybe, since you upgraded
[16:48] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: works for me in chromium
[16:48] <NET||abuse> daftykins: didn't upgrade, did fresh install
[16:49] <NET||abuse> just restored data here and there.
[16:49] <daftykins> ok
[16:49] <NET||abuse> weirdness :P
[16:49] <daftykins> so, did the profile come back in? :)
[16:49] <NET||abuse> not sure it's any chrome plugins,,,
[16:50] <NET||abuse> i have my login on both chromium and google-chrome with plugins/extensions sync'd so have all the same plugins on both
[16:50] <NET||abuse> but it's only happening on chromium.. odd
[16:50] <NET||abuse> still have to update my graphics setup
[16:50] <Aturnwald> he number is 7618970
[16:51] <NET||abuse> have the optimus stuff to get going yet..
[16:51] <NET||abuse> 14.04 and it's new support is really interesting.
[16:53] <daftykins> Aturnwald: your chosen repositories appear to be a very odd address
[16:53] <daftykins> private-ppa.launchpad.net
[16:53] <Aturnwald> what ??
[16:53] <daftykins> are you familiar with repos?
[16:54] <Aturnwald> aehh, no , What is this ?
[16:54] <daftykins> eh nevermind for a moment
[16:54] <Aturnwald> Can't you read that Text that I've posted, right now ?
[16:55] <daftykins> yes of course
[16:55] <Aturnwald> the 2nd part was to long for the memory, I think, so there is ony what I'll got
[16:56] <Aturnwald> I tried to uninstall on a few ways that file, but it doesen't compute
[16:56] <popey> private-ppa.launchpad.net are from purchased games
[16:56] <popey> or apps
[16:57] <daftykins> popey: hmm if a package isn't installed how do you get it to shut up about it? :D
[16:58] <daftykins> it's obviously trying to put it on
[16:59] <Aturnwald> when I try to install a file ove the Terminal or the other way, the Computer say that it can't be done, because the git-daemon-sysinit is broken, or something else.
[16:59] <Aturnwald> So I tried to uninstall it, and it would work, because the file is broken
[16:59] <daftykins> yes, we saw that in the first paste
[16:59] <Aturnwald> before I start the chat I tried a few things, that I found on the net, and nothing worked
[17:00] <daftykins> do you remember what? :)
[17:01] <Aturnwald> what do you mean ?
[17:01] <daftykins> what you tried
[17:01] <Aturnwald> Ahh, Hold on, I'll read it again, if I found them, take some time
[17:02] <daftykins> if you ran commands in the terminal, "history" might show what you ran
[17:03] <Aturnwald> O.K: I'll found it on ubuntu forums February 3rd 2013 DesertFox001 "Can't update or install Programs, Packages Corrupt ? "
[17:03] <Aturnwald> Ahh, and where is the history
[17:04] <daftykins> you type "history" in terminal
[17:04] <Aturnwald> here is the line, where you can read it, what I've done Http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?r=2112029
[17:06] <Aturnwald> smile, I found the history, should I paste it too ?
[17:06] <daftykins> sure why not
[17:06] <daftykins> the above forum link didn't work by the way
[17:09] <Aturnwald> also I paste what I found on the net, but I entered in the Text only that Line, there it was standinmg Code, and the Number is 7619067
[17:10] <davmor2> Myrtti: now they favourited my reply to yours :)
[17:12] <diddledan> davmor2: your twitter avatar scares me
[17:12] <diddledan> davmor2: you have a hole in your head
[17:12] <davmor2> diddledan: how else do you get food into your stomach
[17:12] <davmor2> :P
[17:13] <diddledan> hmm
[17:13] <daftykins> Aturnwald: what did this one output? "sudo dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq git-daemon-sysvinit"
[17:14] <Aturnwald> it says that the file to remove woukld be ignored
[17:15] <daftykins> does it say why?
[17:15] <Aturnwald> because it isn't installed, but on the other Programm, where you can get the files, there is the answer of the fault, that the file is there
[17:16] <daftykins> right but a forum can't tell you what's true of your system
[17:17] <daftykins> to be honest, your system seems to be in quite a mess
[17:17] <Aturnwald> yeaa, that I'll know,too. But a forum can tell me how I can uninstall a file
[17:17] <daftykins> there's evidence of you trying to install redhat packages on here too, haha
[17:18] <Aturnwald> because, I can't install any programs right now
[17:18] <Aturnwald> uii, that I didn't know
[17:18] <Aturnwald> so, what can I do ? a new install again, or something elese ?
[17:19] <Aturnwald> the damage happens when I installed a file from Ubnutu software cengter
[17:19] <daftykins> well, as someone said earlier, it's not worth fixing your 13.10 install when it only has one month left of support
[17:20] <daftykins> so, why not backup and clean install 14.04? :)
[17:20] <Aturnwald> listen, I tried to install 14.04, but at the 1st time my Laptop brokes, on a CHIP failure
[17:20] <daftykins> an operating system did not break your hardware
[17:21] <Aturnwald> the I bought a brand new Laptop, and I removed the blody Windows and I installed 14.04, and again it would work, because of the EFI fail
[17:21] <diddledan> a CHIP failure? whta's one of those?
[17:21] <Aturnwald> so I decieded to install 13.10
[17:21] <daftykins> Aturnwald: ok but there are ways to make EFI installs work, or to install without EFI.
[17:21] <Aturnwald> it was a UK HP Laptop, a couple of days late I've got the Mail from Ubuntu, that I should not install 14.04 on my laptop, but it was to late for me#
[17:22] <daftykins> mail?
[17:22] <daftykins> that sounds pretty serious
[17:22] <Aturnwald> O.K. so please tell me the way how it works
[17:22] <daftykins> well there's no point discussing it unless you're going to do it
[17:22] <daftykins> !uefi
[17:22] <Aturnwald> Yeaa, a Mail, because I'll worte a bug report on the Main center pof Ubuntu in US, and a couple of days there came the mail
[17:23] <Aturnwald> O.K. I'll read the side
[17:23] <daftykins> there's some information there, but also a lot of the time you can just disable EFI and try to install legacy
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> but that's uaually not necessary
[17:24] <Aturnwald> NO, 14.04 runs on my system, when I install it, but on the 1st new boot, it collapse, because during a blank screen
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> just disabling Securt Boot  should do the trick
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> oh!
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Aturnwald: does it have one of those nvidia/intel hybrid video card horrors?
[17:24] <Aturnwald> yeaa, yeaa, that I'll did
[17:25] <Aturnwald> No, it has nothing to do with the card, it is the Laptop ASUS
[17:25] <diddledan> my brian is starting to hurt
[17:25] <Aturnwald> by the way, a popup came right now on, and it says that I can do a part time update of my software, so should I press O.K: or not ?7
[17:27] <daftykins> diddledan: ikr
[17:27] <daftykins> Aturnwald: i think there's too much of a language barrier here, did you try joining #ubuntu-de ?
[17:28] <Aturnwald> O.K. but thanks for your help, have a nice day, cheerio Toni
[17:28] <daftykins> o/
[17:31] <Myrtti> davmor2: yeah I noticed
[17:54] <mapps> hey all
[17:55] <daftykins> heya
[17:55] <daftykins> what's new?
[17:56] <mapps> not much, same as usual..just been watching judge judy
[17:56] <mapps> lol
[17:57] <mapps> about to watch rest of 'Blended' adam sandler film..not expecting much..not a huge sandler fan
[17:57] <daftykins> 0o
[17:57] <daftykins> i'm watching the xbox E3 event
[17:57] <daftykins> big yawn so far
[17:57] <mapps> :D
[17:58] <mapps> the apple wwdc was interesting
[17:58] <mapps> ios8 ftw
[17:58] <mapps> :P
[17:58] <daftykins> yeah i watched that
[17:58] <daftykins> nothing a big deal though
[17:58] <mapps> i thought it looked pretty neat
[17:58] <mapps> i liked how OSX Yosemite links up with iOS
[17:58] <daftykins> you're a fanboi though ;)
[17:58] <mapps> so you can answer calls via the desktop
[17:58] <daftykins> yeah, all phones should have that
[17:58] <mapps> and umm also how the imessage communications are seamles between ipad/iphone/macbook
[17:59] <Myrtti> yay rain \o/
[17:59] <daftykins> mapps: great if you love a walled garden messaging system :>
[17:59] <mapps> grr
[17:59] <mapps> but
[18:00] <mapps> imessage is good..
[18:00] <mapps> couple of cheap shots at android during the vid as im sure you saw;p
[18:00] <daftykins> *shrug* whatsapp and SMS on android here
[18:00] <daftykins> yeah those made them look like absolute idiots
[18:00] <mapps> quite funny how OTT they are like both Craig and Tim
[18:00] <mapps> 'it's absolutely amazing, exciting, bla bla'
[18:00] <mapps> heh
[18:01] <daftykins> indeed, very hyped
[18:18] <diddledan> mapps: I've got yosemite and ios8 installed already
[18:18] <diddledan> mapps: I haven't noticed much difference for my day-to-day
[18:19] <diddledan> I forgot to look to see whether they've put me under NDA (who actually reads T&C?!)
[18:19] <daftykins> diddledan: ;D dat transparency though?
[18:20] <daftykins> seemed to be what they were so excited about
[18:20] <diddledan> meh
[18:20] <daftykins> i mean, to me as an outsider, Mavericks looks outdated
[18:25] <diddledan> apple have mostly focused on hardware I guess
[18:25] <diddledan> "it looks pretty because moar pixels"
[18:26] <daftykins> then hilariously change their design to something so minimal it doesn't particularly need pixels 8)
[18:26] <diddledan> good point
[18:26] <diddledan> I can't say I particularly like flat
[18:28] <diddledan> the one thing that pseudo 3d does that flat doesn't is provide visual clues as to what's clickable
[18:28] <daftykins> indeed
[18:29] <diddledan> I guess people don't want real-world things emulated anymore
[18:29] <diddledan> e.g. buttons
[18:30] <daftykins> i guess the only way to appear to innovate was to go backwards :)
[18:57] <mapps> diddledan you on the ios developer programme?
[18:57] <diddledan> yeah
[19:14] <ali1234> argh the hard drive has been wiped anyway
[19:14] <daftykins> ?
[19:15] <ali1234> a "new" google mini was purchased
[19:15] <ali1234> it arrived with a loose heatsink which had knocked components off the board
[19:15] <ali1234> i spent all day soldering them back on
[19:15] <ali1234> then i spent a bit longer running ddrescue on the faulty hard drive
[19:15] <ali1234> but it is blank anyway
[19:15] <daftykins> >_<
[19:15] <ali1234> so the whole thing was a complete waste of time
[19:16] <ali1234> and all i have is a cheap old server with no operating system and a pretty blue 1U case
[19:17] <ali1234> the hard drive makes a noise like coins in a washing machine too
[19:17] <ali1234> i'm surprised they were even able to wipe it
[19:18] <daftykins> haha
[19:18] <daftykins> i got quoted £35 to replace a single MOSFET on a laptop motherboard
[19:18] <ali1234> yeah that's abut what it costs
[19:18] <ali1234> it takes ages to take laptops apart
[19:19] <daftykins> no i handed them the board
[19:19] <daftykins> and parts from ebay
[19:19] <ali1234> lol
[19:19] <ali1234> why didn't you just do it yourself?
[19:19] <daftykins> because i've never soldered
[19:19] <ali1234> at that point you might as well
[19:19] <daftykins> the MOSFET is like 5mm long with 8 legs
[19:19] <daftykins> that doesn't strike me as training territory :>
[19:19] <ali1234> those are eeeeeasy
[19:19] <ali1234> just practice a bit first
[19:20] <daftykins> too late now
[19:20] <ali1234> sounds like TSOP
[19:20] <ali1234> the only thing you can't really do yourself by hand is BGA when all the "pins" are actually under the chip
[19:22] <daftykins> ali1234: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dsn3zgjbssrzjz4/IMG_20140512_145941.jpg
[19:22] <daftykins> that's the one :) only thing obviously damaged after a wine spill
[19:22] <ali1234> PQ59? yea that's a TSOP
[19:23] <ali1234> cleaning the corrosion up might be tricky if there is any, which it looks like there is
[19:23] <daftykins> i just got two replacements off ebay for £2
[19:24] <daftykins> it's an IR MOSFET, i was able to read the micro print :D
[19:25] <ali1234> they're not terribly hard to solder in as long as the pad is cleanish
[19:25] <daftykins> yeah who knows what he'll find under that black
[19:27] <ali1234> hopefully it won't look like this: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UdrygEbDVaU/UQJ6CFwYgsI/AAAAAAAABJ8/aRs4enr33LE/w1208-h906-no/IMG_20130125_121233.jpg
[19:27] <daftykins> erk >_<
[19:28] <ali1234> that was a bad battery leak... that stuff eats copper traces
[19:28] <daftykins> ah i wondered why it looked pretty oldish
[19:29] <daftykins> is that a printer?
[19:29] <ali1234> no, it's an A4000 from 1990s :)
[19:29] <daftykins> i saw 'Ricoh' and thought of the printers at my clients
[19:29] <ali1234> that is the real time clock chip
[19:29] <ali1234> powered by the battery which has been removed from the space in the bottom right
[19:30] <ali1234> which leaked all over everything
[19:30] <ali1234> the resistor bank and the chip all had to be replaced, with jumper wires for the damaged circuits, plus that through hole capacitor should be a SMT one
[19:32] <daftykins> nasty stuff indeed
[19:36] <ali1234> you know, looking at your picture, PQ22 and the caps next to it look a bit manky
[19:37] <ali1234> it's really hard to tell from photos though
[19:37] <daftykins> oh yeah
[19:37] <daftykins> perhaps it will be dead then
[19:37] <daftykins> there are some more shots
[19:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/92rmnw78ysqf1jx/AACGz4hO0cTwY8mLcH9GQvlga
[19:38] <daftykins> in fact yeah that one does not look good, the smaller one between the square job and the pair
[20:28] <diddledan> *sigh* c'mon facebook stargate sg1 page, think of something a bit more challenging than that why don't you?! They request fans to "Fill in the blank: "Thor is the Supreme ________.""
[20:28] <daftykins> badger!
[20:28] <diddledan> now that I'd like to see
[20:28] <daftykins> i'm actually a stargate fan and can't answer that =/
[20:29] <diddledan> the answer would be "commander" or for extra bonus points "commander of the asgard fleet"
[20:29] <dogmatic69_> anyone got ideas as to how I can rsync (or another method) from local to remote and have remote keep the permissions / acl given?
[20:30] <dogmatic69_> I have tried just about every 'tutorial' on the net and they all get the perms modified and acl dropped
[20:30] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: ACLs are still a bit unsupported in a lot of stuff
[20:31] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: ok, but normal owner/group keeps changing also
[20:31] <dogmatic69_> and it drops the x bit on executable files
[20:31] <diddledan> oic, you _don't_ want the perms to change
[20:31] <dogmatic69_> no
[20:32] <diddledan> I believe you just don't pass the -p flag then
[20:32] <dogmatic69_> its a website, so I set up with www-data, rsynced with user that is in www-group
[20:32] <dogmatic69_> ye, that is what all the sites say
[20:32] <dogmatic69_> and does not work :(
[20:32] <diddledan> note that -a will probably set -p no matter what
[20:33] <dogmatic69_> yep, I dont use -a / -p
[20:33] <dogmatic69_> also tried with --no-group/user etc
[20:33] <daftykins> do they get preserved within archives?
[20:33] <dogmatic69_> -a is archive
[20:33] <diddledan> daftykins: they can do, or they can not do
[20:33] <daftykins> like .tar
[20:33] <daftykins> oic
[20:33] <diddledan> daftykins: it depends on the extraction args
[20:34] <dogmatic69_> I was wondering if its better to maybe zip / gzip and upload, then extract over
[20:34] <daftykins> *nod*
[20:34] <diddledan> tar xf foo.tar <-- won't preserve perms from source host whereas this will --> tar xpf foo.tar
[20:34] <dogmatic69_> so if I done tar xf files.tar it would keep the servers settings
[20:35] <diddledan> note that the tarchive will always store the perms but the extraction can choose whether to utilise that data or discard
[20:35] <dogmatic69_> sure
[20:35] <dogmatic69_> and tar has --acls
[21:01] <mapps> argh
[21:01] <mapps> my neck hurts
[21:01] <mapps> :<
[21:10] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/x9uv7bzfbeckjq2/IMG_20140609_163502.jpg
[21:10] <daftykins> picked up a neat little print from a local gallery today
[21:15] <mapps> nice
[21:15] <mapps> thats pretty cool
[21:15] <daftykins> :>
[21:15] <daftykins> i thought i could haggle so i turned up and said "i'd like to make an offer on that"
[21:16] <daftykins> but she said "well you can pay the price that's on it!"
[21:16] <mapps> heh
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> ok I have found that rsync has --acls, but that makes remote have locals acl. Is there something to just keep remote acls then?
[21:22] <dsample> Hi. I'm having a problem installing 14.04 from a USB stick. I've made a bootable ISO using unetbootin and startup disk creator but both ways the result is the same. It seems to boot from the USB stick but then gives the grub menu from the normal HDD
[21:24] <dsample> I think it might be because the device IDs change from SDA=HDD, SDB=USB to SDA=USB, SDB=HDD when booting from the USB
[21:24] <dsample> Anyone have an idea how I can get the USB stick to boot correctly?
[22:22] <daftykins> why do they always leave so soon ;_;
[22:23] <ali1234> does anyone know how to make a search engine with nutch and solr? :S
[23:03] <diddledan> http://leapseconds.co.uk/
[23:29] <diddledan> ermagerd it's a merth!
[23:29] <diddledan> damned things getting in while my back's turned
[23:41] <Myrtti> daftykins: who?
[23:41] <daftykins> people asking questions
[23:41] <Myrtti> daftykins: you would've had a solution?
[23:42] <daftykins> sure
[23:42] <daftykins> or at least tried to help
[23:42] <Myrtti> I can pass it down to him
[23:42] <daftykins> lurking in another channel?
[23:42] <Myrtti> better
[23:42] <daftykins> to be honest it's 20 to 1 and a bit late to start now :)
[23:42] <Myrtti> snoring next to me
[23:43] <Myrtti> yeah it is
[23:43] <daftykins> hahaha
[23:43] <daftykins> well, there's always tomorrow :)
[23:43] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:43] <daftykins> but Myrtti, you should wield your Linux skills in said scenario too! :)
[23:45] <Myrtti> I've idea what's wrong, it boots to grub rather than the try/install prompt
[23:45] <Myrtti> I think he might've found the answer some years ago But that won't help here
[23:46] <ali1234> i don't really see how you can get from the USB menu to the hard drive without selecting "boot first hard drive" - but maybe that is the only option and it is auto selecting it
[23:46] <ali1234> regardless, i'd try just dd'ing the ISO to the USB, and not using those creator tools
[23:46] <daftykins> ^
[23:46] <daftykins> what i would've said.
[23:47] <Myrtti> I think he tried dd too
[23:47] <Myrtti> But I'll pass that to him too
[23:48] <daftykins> i'd be curious where those device IDs were coming from
[23:48] <Myrtti> it's an old lenovo with two hard drives
[23:48] <Myrtti> So it might get them mixed Up
[23:49] <ali1234> sda/sda etc is totally logical and only affects anything after linux has booted
[23:49] <ali1234> grub uses different IDs
[23:53] <daftykins> ooooh i actually read that line wrong the first time
[23:54] <daftykins> seein SDA and SDB in capitals somehow my tired eyes saw USB
[23:54] <daftykins> *seeing