[00:00] <markolo25_> cool
[00:00] <markolo25_> thank you i got it started
[00:00] <rena_> markolo25_, have you tried using & after the command? Like tar xf fafa.tar.gz &
[00:00] <markolo25_> yea
[00:00] <markolo25_> it stops running after i close putty
[00:01] <markolo25_> there's actually 2 files i want to extract
[00:01] <markolo25_> so inside of the screen i did &&
[00:01] <markolo25_> then i ctrl a ctrl d
[00:01] <markolo25_> should be good to close putty now right
[00:01] <SchrodingersScat> yeah, can check with a screen -ls
[00:02] <SchrodingersScat> and there should be a detached session
[00:02] <markolo25_> hahhha
[00:02] <markolo25_> i did screen ls
[00:02] <markolo25_> yea there's a detached session
[00:02] <markolo25_> thanks
[00:02] <SchrodingersScat> markolo25_: great
[00:03] <zerowaitstate> markolo25_: I want ice cream
[00:03] <markolo25_> lol
[00:03] <SchrodingersScat> markolo25_: make sure you bring enough for the entire class
[00:04] <CanadaBTC> All of my files on an old truecrypt USB turned into files with gibberish names and when opened say "_____ does not exist". i have been told i should use fsck to possibly restore it, but am having issues using fsck
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> CanadaBTC, #truecrypt
[00:05] <CanadaBTC> it says "attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /media/truecrypt10, could this be a zero lenght partition?
[00:06] <CanadaBTC> ok i will try there thanks
[00:06] <CanadaBTC> does anybody here have any ideas?
[00:06] <tinoco> a
[00:07] <zerowaitstate> CanadaBTC: recovering data from encrypted partitions is an unusual use case, sorry. That requires very specialized knowledge
[00:07] <CanadaBTC> ok
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> !info truecrypt
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> CanadaBTC, 3rd party technically not supported here
[00:08] <SchrodingersScat> wilee-nilee: truecrypt is dead, only being used to decrypt now
[00:08] <zerowaitstate> SchrodingersScat: really? what is the thing now?
[00:08] <wilee-nilee> SchrodingersScat, Not actually true, but whatever.
[00:09] <SchrodingersScat> zerowaitstate: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ wilee-nilee: well, it's at least what the page says, in a way
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> SchrodingersScat, Do the research, is all I will say.
[00:10] <SchrodingersScat> wilee-nilee: I didn't use it before this, not starting now.
[00:10] <zerowaitstate> I actually liked truecrypt
[00:10] <zerowaitstate> IMO bitlocker is actually worse
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> SchrodingersScat, You are under the impression I have any interest in anything you say, I do if it is even close to accurate, rather than a rhetoric not from an informed position. ;)
[00:11] <SchrodingersScat> !ot | wilee-nilee
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> lol,
[00:12] <sydney> :D
[00:12] <SchrodingersScat> wilee-nilee: I don't see anything in that last comment but an insult, you're free to do so, but I don't think that's ubuntu support. 'lol'
[00:16] <sydney> Ok.
[00:16] <sydney> joey_  Are you getting anywhere?
[00:21] <mohamed> hi :)
[00:22] <sydney> Hi.
[00:29] <basheba> uninstalled chromium and installed google-chrome SOLVED
[00:30] <wilee-nilee> basheba, Yay a real sentence.
[00:30] <sydney> Great!!
[00:30] <sydney> What does my /quit message say?
[00:31] <MrRio> Looking for some feature feedback for a command-line activity monitor – http://parall.ax/vtop
[00:32] <MrRio> Don't suppose anyone would be interested – need to add some keyboard shortcuts to it :)
[00:33] <sydney> Can someone please tell me?
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> MrRio, vtop is 3rd party, and this is a poll, neither supported here. ;)
[00:33] <MrRio> heh, ok sure
[00:34] <kostkon> sydney, something about donkeys
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> MrRio, Does not mean no one will help, but just be aware.
[00:34] <sydney> kostkon: Sure :P
[00:36] <sydney> wilee-nilee: Please?
[00:36] <sydney> :D
[00:37] <sydney> Never mind,i will figure it out. :D
[00:38] <sydney> Bye!!
[00:43] <KT5WYX> hi all.
[00:44] <KT5WYX> I'm looking for a little help. I have qnap storage device with nfs shares. I've managed to mount the shares, and can look inside them, but if I create a directory from the client the server can't open it or alter it's permissions, and directories created on the server are inaccessible to the client. Both machines have like user accounts, how can I map the two?
[00:53] <pgnome> I constantly have video driver problems with ubuntu
[00:53] <pgnome> I wonder if it's a bug
[00:53] <pgnome> nvidia driver installed is newer than what is shown in nvidia xserver settings
[00:53] <pgnome> and when I update in terminal - takes forever.. sudo apt-get update and then it gets hung, quite often before finishing
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> pgnome, This a proprietary driver? If so what is the exact problems you have?
[00:56] <pgnome> which driver should be listed in nvidia server settings?
[00:56] <pgnome> NVIDIA Driver Version: ->?
[00:58] <jitesh> Hello all. I have a problem with resume on my Lenovo Y10p running Ubuntu 13.10. The screen is black ALWAYS after ubuntu tries to resume from sleep. ctrl+alt+f2 has not worked. increasing the brightness does not work either. I have searched the depths on the internet and not found anything, thats why I come here :)
[00:58] <jitesh> is this the right channel?
[00:58] <pgnome> it displays an older driver version....
[00:59] <jitesh> If someone wants to have a look, the crash log and output of my lspci is here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7615687/
[00:59] <Asterisks> jitesh: yeah, this is the right channel
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> pgnome, proprietary can have two sources, straight from nvidia and at times part of the additional drivers offered. Not really and area I'm best in, but as part of the inquiry you want to state the graphic hardware and what you have installed, and the actual problems you have had.
[01:00] <jitesh> Asterisks, thanks! the log tells me that the crash is because of the integrated graphics card? I tried to disable it from the BIOS, but the BIOS won't let me disable it. I can only disable the external Nvidia graphics card.
[01:01] <jitesh> I tried the generic (non ubuntu) stable 3..14.6 and the problem persists.
[01:01] <jitesh> Just trying to find a work-around!
[01:01] <Asterisks> jitesh: I'm assuming the y10p is a desktop?  I don't know lenovo model numbers off the top of my head
[01:01] <jitesh> Asterisks, aah no its a laptop.
[01:03] <Asterisks> jitesh: you have an external graphics card on a laptop?
[01:04] <zymaster> Hey so I'm having a problem with grub. I have a triple boot system with windows mac and ubuntu using chameleon to boot each one. Chameleon is working fine but I have grub installed on the Ubuntu partition and when I boot from chameleon I want to skip the menu. So I tried editing /etc/default/grub and setting timeouts to 0 the doing sudo update-grub but that didn't work so I tried injecting
[01:04] <jitesh> Asterisks, yep. Its an nvidia GT 755M
[01:04] <zymaster> some code manually into the grub.cfg but that didn't help either any ideas?
[01:04] <Asterisks> jitesh: define "external", you actually have it seperate from the laptop?
[01:06] <jitesh> Asterisks, by external I only mean that its not an intel integrated graphics card. Its not physically external ofcourse :)
[01:07] <Asterisks> jitesh: then it's not external, get your facts straight.  That would be the only card in your laptop, so theres nothing to disable.
[01:07] <Asterisks> jitesh: is there anything visable on the screen after the resume (is it just REALLY dark, or is it BLACK/off)
[01:08] <jitesh> Asterisks, its not dark, its off.
[01:08] <jitesh> Asterisks, also what is this in my lspci, if nvidia is the only card  I have -> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
[01:08] <Asterisks> jitesh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1978290 have you tried this?
[01:10] <Asterisks> jitesh: that means your CPU has built in graphics if you don't have any other.  it's shut off if you have other graphics (which you do) automatically.
[01:11] <Asterisks> I'll be back in 10 minutes, try that ubuntu forums link until then.
[01:13] <jitesh> Asterisks, ok. trying it now. If am disconnected, its because I had to restart my laptop because I was unable to resume it. Will be back. thanks!
[01:14] <Donnylad> could i get some help plz when i boot up ubuntu and get to log in screen i get input out of range on my screen but once i am loged in to goes away is there any solutions for it ?
[01:16] <andlabs> Hi. Using kvm to run ubuntu gnome on kubuntu
[01:16] <voidwalkr> when i try to run ubuntu from a usb stick, it doesn't work very welll... will i have the same problems when i install it as a second partition on my local hdd or is it just a usb thing?
[01:16] <pgnome> well, ubuntu completely sucks when it comes to video drivers
[01:16] <andlabs> GNOME Terminal is showing squished window contents with colored text due to the squishing
[01:16] <andlabs> what packages do I need to install to fix this?
[01:17] <Sagesparten007> Hi, I am looking to get some help with an issue with GDM. GDM doesn't start on boot. I have temp fixed it by putting /usr/sbin/gdm in /etc/rc.local but this is messy
[01:18] <Donnylad> my ubuntu looks awesome i added the mac os x theme
[01:19] <jitesh> Asterisks, tried the link. It indeed does not die with a black screen like before. However, it has an unpleasant side-effect that it inhibits sleep. When I try to sleep, the screen goes black for a second and then comes back up with a passowrd prompt. Laptop never really goes to sleep.
 that's probably related to USB Read/Write speed. If you run it from some HDD with firewire or PATA/SATA (external or directly in MB) connection you should have no problems.
[01:20] <andlabs> so am I stuck with this incorrect terminal? it's not helpful that most other programs in the guest don't seem to do this
[01:21] <cfhowlett> voidwalkr "doesn't work very well" describes ... nothing.  however, installing to a HDD means ubuntu doesn't have to run from RAM.  if you have small ram (less than 4 gb), you will indeed perceive ubuntu as slowish
[01:23] <Asterisks> Donnylad: how detailed is it?
[01:24] <pgnome> http://pastebin.com/Jj9ZrBdE
[01:26] <ki7rw> i guess i'll ask again - i can ping my printer and use the hplip utility to connect and print a test page but i can't print a document over my internal net from any of my PC's. tried reinstalling the driver but still nothing. any ideas?
[01:26] <Donnylad> you would not know its ubuntu its has all the logos icons and wallpapers you get on a mac os x
[01:27] <Amigadude> I'm having performance issues (computer related before the innuendos) running on a netbook but I'm used to running on an older netbook... new one is 1Ghz Dual core A4-1200 old one was 1.6Ghz single core N270 atom... is there tweaks to get it running quicker on the newer CPU
[01:27] <Asterisks> Donnylad: interesting.  bet it doesn't have the finder views mac does
[01:28] <ki7rw> no queues configured?
[01:28] <Donnylad> dont know how it looks on mac
[01:29] <pgnome> this is a crappy place to expect any help
[01:29] <StaticPenumbra> What seems to be the problem?
[01:30] <pgnome> I installed nvidia driver with ppa
[01:30] <Asterisks> Donnylad: this view: http://i.imgur.com/161W710.png
[01:30] <Donnylad> Asterisks i PM ed you the link i used to follow to insatll it all if you wana check it out
[01:31] <pgnome> I used this site:
[01:31] <pgnome> http://www.binarytides.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-14-04/
[01:31] <Donnylad> nope but its pritty close to looking the same
[01:32] <jitesh> Asterisks, hey I am back. Was trying the other script from the link you gave. That most definitely did not work :)
[01:32] <Asterisks> jitesh: it technically DID work, it stopped you from suspending
[01:33] <voidwalkr> i see... yes, it is crashing a lot when i am running it from usb, lots of problems, and screen stalls... i've allocated extra space on the usb partition for saving files, the files do save nicely and the information is preserved but upgrades just destroy the entire usb installation that you can't boot from the stick anymore, and any kind of installation of new programs becomes a nightmare
[01:33] <ghosTM55> Hi all
[01:33] <Asterisks> jitesh: anyway, let me see here
[01:34] <voidwalkr> i guess i just have to install it on the internal sata hdd and see how it works from there
[01:34] <voidwalkr> anybody ever tried pearOS?
[01:35] <pgnome> you might as well try it...you won't get any help here
[01:35] <Asterisks> jitesh: what ubuntu version are you using?  14.04?
[01:35] <voidwalkr> i was just wondering if other have had the same experience running ubuntu from a usb stick
[01:36] <jitesh> Asterisks, 13.10 !
[01:36] <Corvette> How can I make all apps display with dark GUI in Gnome? I've followed the directions available here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63389/how-can-i-use-adwaita-dark-for-all-applications-gnome-3-4 but they do not work
[01:37] <Asterisks> jitesh: got an external mouse/keyboard?
[01:38] <randymandala> test
[01:38] <jitesh> Asterisks, nope
[01:38] <Asterisks> pgnome: why is this a crappy place to expect help?
[01:39] <Asterisks> voidwalkr: yeah, your problem sounds like limited resources.  Probably a harddrive install would solve them assuming you don't have a super old computer
[01:39] <Asterisks> jitesh: still looking at stuff for you, I havn't forgotten you
[01:39] <jitesh> Asterisks, trying suggestions from here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2185454 .. brb
[01:39] <pgnome> ubuntu with nvidia sucks
[01:39] <jitesh> Asterisks, hehe thanks!
[01:40] <Donnylad> radeon is just as bad lol
[01:41] <Asterisks> Donnylad: I've had success with AMD/Radeon and Nvidia, I fail to see why you dislike one or the other.
[01:43] <Amigadude> the system seems to be using a generic drivers (manufacturer specific but not model) is it worth looking into more specific drivers for better performance?
[01:43] <lacrymology> I've got an nvidia optimus, and my computer with 13.10 is running very hot. I used bumblebee until yesterday, but the latest kernel upgrade broke it, so I went back to nvidia-319 only. I read there's switching support for 14.04 but I can't make the switch right now, with this internet. I might do that next weekend
[01:44] <lacrymology> so, what can I do to make my computer run cooler?
[01:44] <lacrymology> I don't care about the graphics so much short term
[01:44] <lacrymology> yesterday I had purged nvida-* as well, and it was running hotter even
[01:44] <Asterisks> Amigadude: what kind of "performance problems" exactly. /serious   Having problems with a floppy? /joke
[01:45] <Asterisks> lacrymology: you're sure it's your graphics that are causing the heatup?
[01:45] <Donnylad> i got a radeon hd 6670 and i get the pixels all over my screen when installing othere linux destro's linux mint was the worse when i went into edit on the grub and added radeon.modeset=0 then ctrl+x to save it never booted into mint it opened the terminal and had to install with commands
[01:46] <lacrymology> Asterisks: yes. nvidia-settings says the graphics card is running at 60º
[01:46] <lacrymology> plus, I know my computer
[01:46] <Asterisks> lacrymology: and your cpu is running at....?
[01:47] <Asterisks> just cause the graphics card is hot doesn't mean it's generating the heat, especially in an enclosed space like the inside of a computer.
[01:47] <lacrymology> Asterisks: where can I find a thermometer for the CPUs?
[01:48] <lacrymology> Asterisks: I'm 100% positive it's the graphics card. I've had this computer for years now, it's always been the graphics card. bumblebee helped somewhat, so it must have been the graphics card. I just want to know if I can turn the nvidia side off
[01:48] <Asterisks> lacrymology: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-temperature
[01:50] <Asterisks> jitesh: anything working?
[01:51] <jitesh> Asterisks, not yet :( tried the PM_DEBUG=true option. The pm-suspend.log shows "modprobe alx" as the last statement.. then there is some binary garbage and the log ends there. alx is ethernet controller, so I don't think thats a false trail to follow?
[01:51] <jitesh> anyway, lets see whether I can get some more clues
[01:51] <Asterisks> can you pastebin the log for me?
[01:52] <Donnylad> i got 1 thing i cant remove/hide i have duel boot windows 7 and ubuntu windows 7 is on hard drive 1 how do i remove/hide that hard drive from showing in files basicly i need to hide a ntfs hard drive
[01:53] <Asterisks> god, I wish people would get an IRC bouncer or quassel...   So many quits
[01:53]  * Asterisks hides quits again
[01:53] <lacrymology> Asterisks: but as you said, the CPU being hot doesn't necessarily mean it's them generating the heat
[01:54] <Asterisks> lacrymology: true, if your GPU is that hot over normal tasks, though, it suggests it's a hardware defect of some sort.  that type of heat is not normal
[01:54] <Asterisks> or it's old, which I don't think is the case?
[01:55] <lacrymology> Asterisks: it's not new, it's like.. 3 or 4 years old, but that's not the point. Do you know what an optimus is?
[01:56] <jitesh> Asterisks, here it is -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7615873/
[01:56] <Asterisks> lacrymology: I just googled it, it's big claims of extending battery life without any real explaination as to how
[01:57] <Asterisks> oh, heres a pdf on the technical part
[01:57] <Asterisks> lacrymology: will transparently and seamlessly switch between two graphics adapters within a computer system in order to provide either maximum performance or minimum power draw from the system's graphics rendering hardware.
[01:58] <Asterisks> yeah, i imagine if you have a chip that's supposed to be on only a fraction of the time running 24/7 that would generate a lot of heat.
[01:58] <lacrymology> Asterisks: it is known how to. It's a hybrid graphics card, embedded intel card + nvidia card. The thing is that there's no driver support for linux
[01:58] <lacrymology> I think there's now, but only for 14.04
[01:58] <lacrymology> I mean, for the latest kernel that hasn't been backported
[01:58] <lacrymology> anyways
[01:59] <lacrymology> Asterisks: the nvidia drivers have the chip running 24/7, th nv drivers do the same thing
[01:59] <lacrymology> Asterisks: I just *bet* that if I could uninstall all nvidia drivers and have just intel drivers running, I'd be OK until I can upgrade
[01:59] <lacrymology> Asterisks: so can you help me with that?
[01:59] <lacrymology> not just turning them off xorg.conf, though. I need to remove the kernel modules
[02:00] <Asterisks> lacrymology: sounds like a plan, let me see
[02:00] <jitesh> Asterisks, aah finally something interesting. Got this in syslog: PM: Device 00:08 failed to resume: error -19
[02:00] <jitesh> Asterisks, now to find out which device is this 00:08
[02:00] <Asterisks> lacrymology: http://ubuntuguide.net/turn-off-discrete-nvidia-optimus-graphics-card-ubuntu < do this
[02:01] <lacrymology> Asterisks: nope. That's what broke
[02:01] <lacrymology> Asterisks: bumblebee doesn't work with latest kernel
[02:01] <Asterisks> bbswitch is from the bumblebee repo, but it's not bumblebee
[02:03] <Asterisks> jitesh: any progress is still progress.  we're getting somewhere
[02:03] <lacrymology> I guess it might be worth a try, I know how to fix it if it breaks anyways
[02:03] <rvgate> I was very surprised and very disappointed that my headset (Tritton Pro+, 5.1) connected using S/SPDIF, only outputs stereo by default... I was wondering what the reasoning is behind this... You would expect that it would somehow auto-detect and utilize the 5.1 system...
[02:04] <lacrymology> Asterisks: bbswitch doesn't exist anymore. Now there's bbswitch-dkms and bbswitch-source. Any clues what dkms is?
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> !dkms | lacrymology
[02:05] <lacrymology> ok
[02:05] <Asterisks> so you want dkms
[02:08] <Asterisks> jitesh: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/199071/problem-after-suspend-ubuntu-12-04 ( the apt-get install and remove commands)
[02:08] <Donnylad> so awesome to have steam on ubuntu i can play football manager 14 :)
[02:09] <Asterisks> football manager
[02:09] <Asterisks> you have steam and you're playing football manager.....
[02:09] <Donnylad> yer
[02:10] <Donnylad> its so awesome
[02:10] <Asterisks> play any FPSs?
[02:10] <Donnylad> that free to play or first person shooter
[02:11] <lacrymology> a friend of mine made football manager
[02:11] <lacrymology> it's a good game
[02:11] <Asterisks> first person shooter
[02:11] <Donnylad> i got it on ubuntu
[02:11] <lacrymology> but.. hey! Fez has been ported to linux. Now THERE's a game
[02:11] <Asterisks> ^ or any of the valve games
[02:12] <markolo25> is cs go out yet for ubuntu
[02:12] <Donnylad> there is some games on steam for linux install it and check the list there is a MMORPG on steam for linux free to play
[02:13] <Asterisks> markolo25: I don't think so, if it did there would be nothing keeping me on windows...
[02:13] <mudbat> I am setting up a dual boot system with Windows Vista and Ubuntu.  I already created a 100 gig partition and installed windows on it but for Ubuntu, I wanted to try out the LVM system.  I didn't want windows effected by lvm at all but I can't find out if it's possible to have just the benefits of the lvm disk management without the whole disk encryption.
[02:13] <markolo25> vista?
[02:14] <Asterisks> mudbat: sounds like wiping it would be doing yourself a favor, really...  Vista, ew.
[02:14] <mudbat> well, it's what the license is for :(
[02:14] <mudbat> I know
[02:14] <Amigadude> Asterisks: takes a long time to start apps, when I double click a .deb file it takes 2 mins for the installer to show up, after clicking the install it takes about 5 mins for the admin password request to show up
[02:15] <Donnylad> if i had 1 hard drive i would have installed ubuntu along side windows
[02:15] <Asterisks> Amigadude: probably the problem is because most apps use a single core, so they're stuck on 1GHZ.  The 1.6ghz was probably more beneficial for everyday use.
[02:16] <jitesh> Asterisks, did not work. I did not have cgroup-bin installed in the first place. I sense we are close though. Strangest thing is that device 00:08 does not exist in my lspci output. That is puzzling.
[02:16] <markolo25> Donnylad: don't you always have to install windows first
[02:16] <markolo25> since it was easier that way?
[02:16] <Donnylad> yer
[02:17] <Amigadude> so just a problem with not enough of the system being multithread?
[02:17] <Donnylad> windows you will have to partition as there is no along side option
[02:17] <Asterisks> mudbat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204395/how-do-i-use-lvm-with-12-10-when-i-already-have-windows-8
[02:18] <Amigadude> at least I got drivers for all the hardware... better than windows 7 managed... :)
[02:18] <Asterisks> Amigadude: that's what I'm going to say.  I don't have a ton of experience with it, though.  Someone else may have a different answer, but from what I know that's the most probable.
[02:18] <lacrymology> Asterisks: didn't work. find /proc -name bbswitch returns nil
[02:18] <mudbat> Asterisks: Thank you :)
[02:19] <jitesh> Asterisks, ok. 00:08 is a Plug-n-play device. Looks like it is iwlwifi.. my wifi card. any way I can keep that out of the resume sequence?
[02:19] <Asterisks> jitesh: try unplugging your wifi card and just see if it works first
[02:20] <Asterisks> jitesh: (facepalm) you probably can't unplug it
[02:20] <jitesh> Asterisks, haha yes. I have a button to disable it in hardware though :)
[02:20] <Asterisks> do that
[02:20] <jitesh> and I can unload the module before trying to suspend
[02:20] <Asterisks> or that
[02:20] <Asterisks> and then try it
[02:20] <lazyworkaholic> Hello. Is it possible to specify that an additional package be installed along with all others at install time? (mdadm)
[02:20] <lacrymology> Asterisks: ok, modprobe made it work. But it refuses to turn off
[02:20] <jitesh> Asterisks, yep. so that will be one more "quit" message in your IRC ;)
[02:21] <Asterisks> lacrymology: "refuses"?  any specific error?
[02:21] <Amigadude> both cores are running about 50% sat here with just firefox & hexchat running (apart from system monitor)
[02:21] <Asterisks> jitesh: I have my quits hidden, i just enabled them and got spammed for a couple minutes XD
[02:22] <lacrymology> [  448.558340] bbswitch: device 0000:01:00.0 is in use by driver 'nvidia', refusing OFF
[02:22] <Asterisks> Amigadude: can you watch that while you try to bring up like a .deb?
[02:23] <Bashing-om> !mdadm | laz
[02:23] <lacrymology> Asterisks: the bbswitch docs say 'If the card stays on when trying to disable it, you've probably forgotten to unload the driver,' but not how to do it
[02:24] <Asterisks> lacrymology: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch#usage
[02:24] <Asterisks> lacrymology: "If the card stays on when trying to disable it, you've probably forgotten to unload the driver,"
[02:24] <lacrymology> yes that's what I'm reading
[02:24] <lacrymology> I've no clue on how to unload it. modprobe -r nvidia doesn't do anything
[02:26] <Asterisks> lacrymology: rmmod nividia
[02:27] <lacrymology> error, in use
[02:27] <Asterisks> sudo it?
[02:27] <lacrymology> I am
[02:28] <Asterisks> lacrymology: "lsmod", figure out what's using the module
[02:28] <jitesh> Asterisks, did not work. However, I am calling it a day. will do some more digging. Its time for Game of thrones!
[02:28] <jitesh> Asterisks, Thanks for your help!
[02:28] <lacrymology> Asterisks: X?
[02:29] <lacrymology> Asterisks: I mean, it's the damn graphics driver
[02:29] <lacrymology> i915 is loaded as well
[02:30] <Asterisks> jitesh: no problem, hit me up if you need any help, I'm on 24/7.
[02:30] <Amigadude> Asterisks: Did monitor while it was loading the deb...
[02:31] <Amigadude> 6-7mins of 70-100% on both cores
[02:31] <Asterisks> lacrymology: modprobe -rf nvidia
[02:31] <Donnylad> sweet DOTA 2 on steam free to download for linux
[02:31] <Asterisks> Amigadude: yeah, seems liek your processor isn't holding up.  Sorry, but theres honestly nothing I can do to help with that besides suggest you got a lighter distro
[02:31] <lacrymology> Asterisks: yeah, not working. I'll try something else
[02:32] <Amigadude> I think CPU is just a pussy :)
[02:32] <Asterisks> Amigadude: hahaha, certainly a possibility.  tell it to man up
[02:32] <kcj[work]> Hey, how can I tell if Xorg is even bothering to read my Xorg.conf?
[02:32] <Asterisks> lacrymology: anyway, once you figure out how to get the stupid module unloaded you can disable it.  Maybe try to do the disable on boot part and then restart?
[02:33] <Asterisks> kcj[work]: screw up your xorf.conf, if xorg breaks then it's reading it
[02:33] <Asterisks> xorg.conf*
[02:33] <kcj[work]> I'm gonna go ahead and not do that thanks.
[02:33] <kcj[work]> ls
[02:33] <kcj[work]> oops
[02:33] <Donnylad> lol
[02:34] <Amigadude> got almost 100% above the N270 in CPU comparisons but it sure doesn't feel like it
[02:34] <sydney> :D
[02:34] <joseph1> anyone know if its possible to have multiple irc channels open in seperate windows with weechat?
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> joseph1 #weechat over 500 users there
[02:36] <joseph1> thanks
[02:38] <Donnylad> chat looks dead :)
[02:40] <Asterisks> Donnylad: good, that means that stuff's working
[02:41] <Donnylad> when i see green text with my user name whats that
[02:41] <Donnylad> is it a wisper ?
[02:42] <andlabs> ok different question
[02:42] <andlabs> is there a dedicated channel for maintaining packages?
[02:43] <jc_> does anyone know when python3 is going to upgraded to include ensurepip
[02:43] <Beldar> andlabs, Usually channels are OS or app orientated or dev...etc
[02:43] <Amigadude> why does it always take me so long to remember to switch off join/part alerts... so much easier to read
[02:43] <Asterisks> andlabs: #ubuntu-packaging maybe?  entire list is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[02:44] <andlabs> cool, thanks
[02:44] <Beldar> Amigadude, long term memory retention. ;)
[02:45] <lacrymology> ARGH
[02:45] <Donnylad> what is green text in chat ???
[02:45] <lacrymology> I uninstalled nvidia-* and even nouveau, and the nouveau kernel module is still there!
[02:46] <Beldar> Donnylad, no specifics here on hexchat, looks red here if you use my nick.
[02:46] <sydney> Donnylad:  The colors constantly change. ;)
[02:46] <sydney> Beldar: RED
[02:46] <Donnylad> Beldar you just messaged me in grean how is that done
[02:46] <Beldar> doh actually green
[02:47] <Amigadude> I'm diabetic, it screws with your memory... I my memory sucked before diabetes :)
[02:47] <Amigadude> -I
[02:47] <lazyworkaholic> Is there any way I can tell ubuntu to install an additional package besides the default ones when I'm installing it? And yes, it does matter that it have it at first boot (mdadm).
[02:47] <Beldar> Donnylad, using you nick is a notification in color and a noise of you choice
[02:47] <Beldar> your*
[02:47] <Amigadude> green highlight when someone mentions your nick... in hexchat at least
[02:47] <Asterisks> lacrymology: you try to setup disable on boot and then rebooting?  might catch it before the module loads
[02:47] <sydney> Beldar: If you are using a client. ;)
[02:47] <Beldar> yes I am
[02:48] <Beldar> err ye if you do
[02:48] <Donnylad> Beldar test
[02:48] <sydney> I use thunderbird and pidgin
[02:48] <Donnylad> like that ?
[02:48] <Beldar> Donnylad, it be green laddy
[02:48] <Beldar> Donnylad, Yeah and you can tab complete nicks
[02:48] <lacrymology> Asterisks: no clue how to do that
[02:48] <Donnylad> lol
[02:49] <sydney> so i type Bel then hit tab
[02:49] <sydney> Beldar:
[02:49] <sydney> :D
[02:49] <Beldar> Bingo
[02:49] <Donnylad> Beldar, i see now
[02:49] <Asterisks> LarrySteeze: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch#disable-card-on-boot
[02:49] <Beldar> I thought jack ass spelled Beldar here
[02:49] <sydney> Donnylad: it works good for long nicks,like yours. :P
[02:50] <Asterisks> I couldn't live w/o tab completion for nicks...
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !raid | lazyworkaholic
[02:51] <Amigadude> learning IRC, god that takes me back to when I was a lad... 25-30years...
[02:51] <Donnylad> sweet DOTA 2 is installed
[02:51] <sydney> Asterisks: Who ever invented it needs a good high-5 :D
[02:51] <Asterisks> sydney: that they do
[02:51] <Beldar> Amigadude, What's that sonny, let me turn up my hearing aid. ;)
[02:52] <Asterisks> Amigadude: I feel so young when people talk about learning IRC 30 years ago
[02:52] <sydney> It thunderbird,when you talk to me,it beeps,and turns the words of who talked bold.
[02:52] <Bashing-om> lazyworkaholic: As mdadm is a compeonent of raid, and the support for mdadm (raid) is on the server install.
[02:53] <Amigadude> had to wait for them to invent the internet... I still remember coding html in a text editor in the IT bunker at uni and checking it in mosaic (the only available browser)
[02:54] <Beldar> Amigadude, No punch cards, tisk tisk
[02:54] <Asterisks> I can remember windows ME, that's as old as I got.
[02:54] <andlabs> by saying you had to wait to invent the internet you're telling us you worked for ARPA in the 1960s
[02:54] <lazyworkaholic> Bashing-om: sure, but this is for a desktop install. I have /home on 2 disks.
[02:54] <andlabs> :)
[02:54] <Amigadude> 1st website was for an ANSI to CNET converter I wrote in ACE BASIC :)
[02:56] <lacrymology> Asterisks: sorry to bug you, but how do I do the "remove from boot" bit?
[02:56] <rpg32> i'm having trouble mounting my iphone, it use to work fine everytime i connected it to the USB but now it doesn't show up in Nautilus... but i see it in lsusb... any suggestions? i'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:56] <Beldar> rpg32, working fine in 12.04 or a later release?
[02:57] <rpg32> i'm using 12.04 now... it use to work with this version but now it doesn't
[02:57] <rpg32> i'm not sure what changed
[02:57] <Amigadude> andlabs, :) not quite just had to wait for the domestic version to become affordable :)
[02:58] <logicalguy> hi, I just installed mate 1.8 on ubuntu server.  How do I start the gui from the command line?
[02:58] <Bashing-om> lazyworkaholic: Don't know 'bout that ( split /home) are you taling 'LVM" ?
[02:58] <Beldar> rpg32, I would try the guest account as a variable check.
[02:58] <Bashing-om> talking*
[02:58] <Asterisks> lacrymology: add "bbswitch load_state=0" to /etc/modules (or /etc/modules.conf, not sure which one it is on ubuntu)
[02:58] <rpg32> oh ok... brb
[02:59] <lacrymology> Asterisks: that will add bbswitch to the load list?
[02:59] <Amigadude> ok off to find a chat channel to wibble on about being an old git... anyone got any suggestions?
[02:59] <lacrymology> or remove it?
[02:59] <Asterisks> add it
[02:59] <lacrymology> Asterisks: I just want to REMOVE nouveau
[02:59] <lacrymology> I don't care about switching anymore
[02:59] <Asterisks> that was make bbswitch load/disable the nvidia card on boot
[02:59] <lacrymology> Amigadude: #git?
[02:59] <lacrymology> hm
[02:59] <lacrymology> ok, let me try
[03:00] <Beldar> Amigadude, Practice the you kids get off my lawn.
[03:00] <rpg32> no, doesn't work as a guest either
[03:00] <lazyworkaholic> Bashing-om: LVM? No. Just two separate HDD's with /home as raid0.
[03:00] <logicalguy> hi, I just installed mate 1.8 on ubuntu server.  How do I start the gui from the command line?
[03:00] <lacrymology> brb
[03:01] <sydney> logicalguy: Good question; i would like to know this myself. :)
[03:01] <Beldar> rpg32, Did you unplug and plugin in the guest, best test would be a shutdown remove usb start go to guest and plugin. Have you used a unmount when using or just pull out the usb?
[03:01] <rpg32> just pulled out the usb
[03:02] <rpg32> and yes i unplugged, but without restart
[03:02] <rpg32> i can give that a shot
[03:02] <Beldar> rpg32, That may be the cause, always safely remove or unmount
[03:02] <rpg32> how should i do that?
[03:02] <rpg32> it is not mounting
[03:03] <Beldar> rpg32, right clicking the icon wherever you see it gives those options.
[03:03] <lazyworkaholic> Bashing-om: I had to reinstall my whole system, but now I'm having grub problems. I want to make sure not being able to find /home isn't the problem.
[03:03] <rpg32> the only place it shows up is when i look at lsusb in the terminal
[03:04] <logicalguy> sydney installing mate-desktop-environment does not install xorg, looks like
[03:04] <Beldar> rpg32, You should have been doing it, and since you have not regularly I would guess that is the cause of your problem now.
[03:04] <Beldar> rpg32, pulling without unmounting can corrupt.
[03:04] <rpg32> oh, no when it was mounting i would unmount it before unplugging... but now it isn't mounting
[03:05] <rpg32> so i just unplug now
[03:05] <Bashing-om> lazyworkaholic: I be grapsong at straws here, nut in the liveDVD environment download the mdadm package prior to install ??
[03:05] <Bashing-om> nut/but*
 rpg32, Did you unplug and plugin in the guest, best test would be a shutdown remove usb start go to guest and plugin. Have you used a unmount when using or just pull out the usb? <rpg32> just pulled out the usb So this question and answer is incorrect
[03:07] <rpg32> when i logged in as guest i just unplugged and plugged back in... because it wasn't mounted... it hasn't been mounting at all that is why i said i just unplugged it... but in any case, i will try to shut down and log in as guest and then plug in the usb afterwards... thanks, brb
[03:08] <Beldar> rpg32, Your answer when I asked was you just unplug, so just going by that till you said you have unmounted. Contradictory statements is all hard to parse. ;) JUst carefully read questions and answer accordingly
[03:09] <rpg32> ok, it still did not work
[03:09] <rpg32> i did just as you said
[03:10] <Beldar> rpg32, So in the past when mounted did you always safely remove from a right click or unmount?
[03:10] <Beldar> both right clicks or from the terminal rpg32
[03:10] <rpg32> from the arrow in Nautilus
[03:10] <rpg32> usually
[03:11] <rpg32> never really used unmount
[03:11] <Beldar> rpg32, Cool, all it takes is one not umounted removal to corrupt the usb device, just a hypothesis here but vaild.
[03:12] <rpg32> completely possible, so what would the fix be?
[03:12] <Beldar> rpg32, Not sure, it took a long tome to just get here I need a nap now. ;)
[03:13] <rpg32> anyone else have any ideas please?
[03:14] <Beldar> rpg32, may just be a file or something, I would try another OS or a live to see if it shows in the OS to startv with
[03:15] <lacrymology> Asterisks: adding bbswitch with.. the options you told me (I forget) X didn't work, blacklisting nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf didn't work
[03:15] <rpg32> it works other computers
[03:16] <Asterisks> lacrymology: gah, why do you have to have difficult hardware
[03:16] <rpg32> is there a way to mount it manually?
[03:16] <lacrymology> Asterisks: it was the cheapest machine with an acceptable GPU
[03:16] <lacrymology> Asterisks: also, with bbswitch load=0 or whatever, X didn't work but lsmod showed nouveau there allright
[03:16] <rpg32> i see it in lsusb, but i wouldn't know how to mount it using that information
[03:17] <lacrymology> ok, can someone tell me where's X's config? /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist
 it works other computers  When was the last time you checked?
[03:17] <rpg32> just today
[03:19] <Beldar> rpg32, cool, I'm not sure just mounting from the cli is the best move myself, but that is a guarded response. It is a apple device I would get info from somebody who really knows this thing and using it in ubuntu, might be a few here, but of the channels regualrs I see who are highly skilled I have never see them mention any apple anything used.
[03:20] <Beldar> !mnt
[03:20] <Beldar> !mount
[03:21] <Beldar> rpg32, ^^^^^^^^
[03:21] <Geometer> can someone tell me if there's a command which will tell me if two files contain the same content (diff tells me according to line differences but I need to tell differences irrespective of lines)
[03:21] <rpg32> yea, thanks i have been there and read through it
[03:23] <Beldar> rpg32, Cool it is the standard mount commands and unmount.
[03:24] <rpg32> yes, i'm familiar... i am just struggling to determine how to mount the usb
[03:25] <Beldar> rpg32, run sudo fdisk -l and see what it shows
[03:25] <gompa> http://wecan.hasthe.technology:88/
[03:26] <rpg32> it doesn't show up there
[03:26] <rpg32> just my hard drive
[03:28] <Beldar> rpg32, Hmm, I'm not sure how it would show in ubuntu, my assumption would be as a HD. With my android devices the have two types of ways to be read that can be changed on the device.
[03:29] <rpg32> from what i remember it showed up as a HD with the name Apple Iphone Inc
[03:32] <rpg32> not sure if this is helpful but dmesg provides this: [ 1453.876856] ipheth 3-1:4.2: Apple iPhone USB Ethernet device attached
[03:33] <rpg32> then it says: [ 1453.944579] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[03:33] <rpg32> and then: [ 1453.944922] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[03:33] <rpg32> Ethernet device?
[03:34] <Beldar> rpg32, I guess I would start using your google foo.
[03:34] <rpg32> been doing so
[03:35] <Beldar> rpg32, Cool, hope you get this resolved, it is a bummer. ;)
[03:35] <rpg32> have had no luck, which is why i am here... .trying other sources
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> rpg32: http://askubuntu.com/questions/126340/how-do-i-set-up-the-iphone-usb-ethernet-driver
[03:37] <rpg32> oh... interesting, haven't seen that yet.. let me give that a go, thanks lotuspsycheje
[03:40] <rpg32> ah... didn't seem to help
[04:00] <Vivekananda> hi ubuntu ppl
[04:00] <vilambit> hi
[04:01] <Vivekananda> wonder if anyone is around esp daftykin s or sudormor f
[04:01] <Vivekananda> hey vilambit yes I am fron India
[04:01] <Vivekananda> where are you from ? which part of India ?
[04:01] <Vivekananda> pretty interesting name for a computer person.
[04:06] <vilambit> hah
[04:06] <vilambit> i'm not from india
[04:06] <vilambit> but i love india :)
[04:07] <vilambit> and I play hindustani classical
[04:11] <Vivekananda> vilambit: I guessed that from your name :)
[04:11] <Vivekananda> you are NOT from India ? that is surprising
[04:11] <Vivekananda> where are you from ?
[04:12] <Vivekananda> I guess we shouldnt talk off topic on this channel though. people here are very particular about it
[04:13] <Amigadude> how do I check what speed the CPU is currently running at?
[04:15] <cobracommand> anyone else having problems updating 12.04?
[04:15] <Asterisks> Amigadude: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:15] <Asterisks> cobracommand: that is about as generic a question as you can get.
[04:15] <_1_569875443> (L)
[04:15] <cobracommand> the automatic updates
[04:16] <Asterisks> !info | cobracommand
[04:16] <Asterisks> ... wrong command
[04:16] <Asterisks> damn it
[04:16] <cobracommand> lol
[04:16] <cobracommand> !who | cobracommand
[04:18] <cobracommand> it says failed to download package files
[04:18] <cobracommand> with the update manager
[04:18] <cobracommand> and the internet is working fine, so I was wondering if anyone else was having the problem
[04:20] <cobracommand> I have another question, why if I copied a file to desktop using nautilus, I can only see it in nautilus and not with the home folder viewer?
[04:21] <Asterisks> what is the factoid for more information....
[04:22] <Asterisks> !details | cobracommand
[04:22] <Asterisks> got it!
[04:23] <Asterisks> hmm...  it might be a problem with the mirror you're using
[04:23] <Pimples> Hello guys
[04:23] <Pimples> I just started using ubuntu 3 months ago, everything was working fine, until today
[04:23] <Asterisks> Pimples: that's generally how it goes
[04:24] <Pimples> yeah, i asked somebody where i could look for help and somebody pointed it out here
[04:25] <Asterisks> yep
[04:25] <Asterisks> !ask | Pimples
[04:25] <Pimples> i see
[04:25] <Pimples> well my wine apps started to not work now, whenever i open it, it closes
[04:25] <cobracommand> i did apt-get update and it fixed it
[04:26] <Pimples> and when i tried accessing it via command line, it says something like this
[04:26] <Pimples> Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your 32-bit OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly
[04:26] <Pimples> any idea how to fix this?
[04:27] <Asterisks> any apps in particular?
[04:27] <Pimples> well games in particular
[04:27] <Pimples> any game i try to run, turns out like this.
[04:28] <Asterisks> radeon card?
[04:28] <Pimples> nvidia
[04:29] <potato_farmer> Pimples: in a VM or bare metal?
[04:29] <Pimples> bare metal
[04:29] <potato_farmer> Did you install the 32-bit OpenGL libraries?
[04:29] <potato_farmer> They are optional.
[04:30] <Pimples> well yeah, i think so
[04:30] <Pimples> they where working before
[04:30] <Asterisks> potato_farmer: I've gotta go, I'll let you take this over
[04:30] <Asterisks> Pimples: got the proprietary drivers for your card installed?
[04:30] <Pimples> yep
[04:30] <Pimples> well actually i checked it, it says activated but not in use
[04:31] <Asterisks> Pimples: https://answers.launchpad.net/pipelight/+faq/2485 scroll down to "NVIDIA (Proprietary driver)"
[04:31] <Asterisks> and I'm off, hopefully that helps.  if it doesn't, someone else can
[04:33] <Pimples> alright
[04:33] <Pimples> will try that, thanks for the suggestion
[04:34] <Pimples> ill backup things first
[04:34] <Pimples> a friend of mine suggested to just perform a clean install if ever something gets wrong
[04:50] <emma-x> I don't think so too much to do that
[04:50] <emma-x> Hi
[04:51] <emma-x> Is ubuntu good for the enterprise
[04:51] <emma-x> User management?
[04:58] <TuxRescue> morning, how can i check the bandwidth that i used?
[05:05] <rena_> TuxRescue: do you mean the amount of data that passed through the netword interface? If so, you can use ifconfig and look in the network device in use (usually eth0 for ethernet cable connection or eth1 for wifi) for the fields like the following example -  RX bytes:3128675744 (3.1 GB)  TX bytes:142583873 (142.5 MB)
[05:05] <mkrz> Hi #ubuntu, I installed oracle jre by extracting the downloaded gz file and pointing the path variables in my local profile. jre is installed at /usr/local/java. My question is if I remove the folder /usr/local/java/ and remove the path variables will jre be completely removed from the system?
[05:13] <TuxRescue> rena_: thats an idea, but when i reboot the stats are borked
[05:14] <TuxRescue> i wanna make sure that i dont come close to the DO transfer limits
[05:16] <kylin> help
[05:16] <kylin> netstat -a
[05:17] <kylin> china and beijing
[05:21] <rena_> TuxRescue: oh, I thought you just wanted something for keeping track of the data transfered in the actual session.
[05:22] <TuxRescue> :)
[05:22] <rena_> In that case, I think some script would have to be used to achieve that cumulative report you are after
[05:30] <rena_> TuxRescue: We gotta love Google. Check this out - The harder way: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/305767-bandwidth-monitoring-with-iptables ; or the easier way: http://humdi.net/vnstat/
[05:31] <TuxRescue> rena_: i came from similar pages and found that frustrating. so i asked :)
[05:33] <rena_> For the easier way, under ubuntu, just do sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get install vnstat.
[05:34] <coffe44> hi people
[05:37] <TuxRescue> thanks a lot rena_
[05:42] <guest-ecj9U2> hello everyone.
[05:43] <guest-ecj9U2> My login screen keeps reappearing after i put in my password. don't know why
[05:43] <guest-ecj9U2> I'm using the guest account right now
[05:43] <guest-ecj9U2> my home directory is mounted from another HD and I'm putting the correct password in
[05:44] <rena_> You're very welcome TuxRescue
[05:44] <rena_> guest-ecj9U2: Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
[05:45] <guest-ecj9U2> 14.04
[05:45] <guest-ecj9U2> rena_ 14.04
[05:49] <rena_> I had a similar problem but under 12.04. It happened after I messed with partitions.
[05:49] <rena_> I moved and resized partitions, as well as deleting the swap partition.
[05:49] <guest-ecj9U2> rena_ This is a fresh install too
[05:49] <Viking667> hullo again. I'm having some fairly major problems with gnome-shell. in effect, what's happening is that while gnome-shell shows up in the process list, it doesn't appear to be doing any of the things a "normal" window manager like metacity or xfce does.
[05:50] <Viking667> I don't see frames. The display doesn't update. And there's no panels
[05:50] <Viking667> In addition, I can't focus the window I started the WM from (an xterm)
[05:50] <rena_> guest-ecj9U2: Oh, then that is a surprise to me and maybe above my level of expertise.
[05:51] <Viking667> If I do a Ctl-C, the WM decorations all go away, and I'm finally left with the error message the WM spat out
[05:52] <guest-ecj9U2> ok thanks rena_
[05:52] <Viking667> so, my question now, is: what do I do next to try and debug the cause of this issue with gnome-shell (Ubuntu 14.04, 32-bit)
[05:57] <rena_> You're welcome Guest2419 . I'm sorry that I could not help you figure it out. Normally in cases like that I would look in syslog for errors at the time you tried to login. That could pinpoint the cause of the "bug" and help to figure out how to fix it
[05:58] <guest-ecj9U2> rena_ where is the syslog?
[05:58] <rena_> it's in /var/log/syslog
[06:27] <paorz> new to ubuntu... my HP printer seems like it should be working, but nothing happens with test page...any ideas?
[06:28] <harris>  good
[06:28] <harris>   ech
[06:33] <rethus> is there a way to create an installscript, which work on 64bit and 32 bit version of ubuntu?
[06:33] <rethus> need to automate an installation oft Webdevelopment Enviroment
[06:46] <makara> how can I change the column width in Nautilus?
[06:48] <UnicornAssassin_> makara next to the column labels isa faint vertical line. left click and drag that
[06:57] <jo-erlend> rethus, I would think so. Have you tried?
[07:08] <blueingress> Hey, How can I update to 14.10 from 14.04 lts? thanks
[07:08] <lastarms> blueingress: have you tried do-release-upgrade ?
[07:08] <d3vlin> I think that would be a downgrade ;)
[07:09] <lastarms> wait... is 14.10 available yet?
[07:09] <lastarms> blueingress: are you a dev?
[07:09] <cfhowlett> lastarms no it isn't
[07:09] <cfhowlett> blueingress 14.10 comes out in October.
[07:21] <gdm85> I am bulding the kernel with the procedure explained here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile this guide would need an update, but that's another topic.. :)
[07:21] <gdm85> do I need to build also modules or those will be fine because of ABI compatibility?
[07:24] <ikonia> gdm85: you tell us if YOU need to make modules
[07:24]  * gdm85 added another ignore
[07:26] <TuxRescue> why does google think i am in turkey when the server is located in amsterdam, nl?
[07:26] <TuxRescue> WTF
[07:27] <TuxRescue> so i get their censorship, bravo
[07:28] <ikonia> TuxRescue: nothing to do with ubuntu
[07:28] <TuxRescue> oops, wrong channel
[07:28] <ikonia> easy done
[07:28] <TuxRescue> and sorry about the language
[07:29] <ikonia> no sweat, easy to slip
[07:38] <makara> hi. The sysadmin changed the DNS from old site to new site but I don't see a change from firefox, curl or wget
[07:38] <makara> ping and dig show the correct IP
[07:38] <makara> I've tried rebooting
[07:39] <ikonia> sounds like you may have cache in your browser, or a static host map on your host
[07:42] <planetmaker> makara, firefox sometimes has weired caching issues. Try to delete its cache
[07:42] <planetmaker> or at least the page you have problems with from its history
[07:43] <makara> the sysadmin installed new dnsservers
[07:44] <ikonia> makara: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[07:44] <makara> I don't want to explicitely set them in /etc/network/interfaces because I use my computer elsewhere
[07:44] <makara> 14.04
[07:44] <makara> so does 14.04 just query the gateway for dns?
[07:44] <ikonia> makara: it gets dns from dhcp
[07:45] <ikonia> makara: or from what you set it
[07:45] <ikonia> makara: but you've already said dns is working as you can ping the correct host
[07:45] <makara> yeah
[07:45] <ikonia> makara: do "nslookup www.yourhost.com" and verify that the dns servers you are using show the right host/ip multiple times
[07:45] <makara> it's correct
[07:46] <ikonia> ok, so you know dns is not the problems, so either a.) your browser b.) your website is the problem
[07:46] <makara> website?
[07:46] <Galvan> Hi all. Is there any way to make firefox look like the windows 7 version? I mean the aero transparent tabs stuff.
[07:46] <makara> curl and wget both give me the old website frontpage
[07:46] <ikonia> makara: well, as you said "the browser" I assume you are viewing a website with the browser
[07:47] <ikonia> makara: ok, so it seems logical then that it is the target that is being wrong
[07:47] <robotdevil> Can someone please tell me the GENERIC config entry for snd-hda-intel to add to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base for headphone sound switching. All the how to I find have specific models for notebooks and such. I need the plain jane one/
[07:48] <cfhowlett> Galvan search the firefox add-ons for a win7 plugiin
[07:48] <cfhowlett> theme
[07:48] <makara> i tried to set the dns-servers in curl but it says not included in build
[07:48] <ikonia> makara: you don't need to set the dns servers
[07:48] <ikonia> you already know they are working - you've confirmed this
[07:49] <robotdevil> I had my configs backed up, but accidentally formatted drive
[07:49] <robotdevil> fail
[07:49] <makara> wget and curl don't give me the correct page
[07:49] <makara> wget, curl and firefox
[07:49] <makara> ping and dig do
[07:49] <ikonia> makara: right, so if 3 browser situtations are giving you the wrong page - but the right dns, what does that tell you
[07:49] <ikonia> makara: its either a.) the target b.) something in between you/target
[07:50] <robotdevil> nm http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:hardware:audio_and_snd-hda-intel
[07:50] <robotdevil> yay
[07:51] <makara> ikonia: ok, so I've tried --no-dns-cache on wget. I've tried Ctrl+F5 on Firefox and traceroute ends at the gateway
[07:52] <ikonia> makara: that changes nothing I've said
[07:52] <ikonia> makara: you already KNOW dns is WORKING - so I don't understand why you are trying different cache options
[07:52] <ikonia> makara: it is either a.) the target b.) something between you and the target
[07:52] <makara> ok, DNS is working
[07:58] <[Saint]> Can anyone enlighten me as to what it is that would be auto mounting a partiton that isn't listed in fstab?
[07:58] <[Saint]> Potentially relevant disk information: http://pastebin.com/taUKBEn2
[07:59] <[Saint]> sda8 is getting automounted - but, by what?
[08:01] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], Have you confirmed the uuid's  with sudo blkid with fstab entries
[08:02] <[Saint]> Fyodorovna: everything this is listed in fstab is kosher, yes.
[08:02] <[Saint]> Its just this one partition that is getting automounted by something apparebntly ungreppable.
[08:02] <[Saint]> (or, I'm failing on my grep fu)
[08:02] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], Ah I missed the uuid command my mistake. ;)
[08:03] <[Saint]> Np.
[08:03] <[Saint]> I'm slightly confused by this "helpful" feature.
[08:04] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], Looks like a uefi setup, and gpt, not idea why it would mount sda8 though.
[08:05] <[Saint]> Fyodorovna: No UEFI, no.
[08:06] <[Saint]> Whatever is auto mounting this partition has the smarts to leave it alone if I manually insert an entry for sda8 in fstab
[08:06] <Fyodorovna> [Saint] does sda8 contain any clones?
[08:06] <[Saint]> Its not so much of a problem, and I worked around it.
[08:07] <[Saint]> I would just like to know *what* it is that thinks it should be auto mounting partitions.
[08:07] <[Saint]> And, why?
[08:07] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], a clone of ubuntu for example
[08:07] <[Saint]> Fyodorovna: it does not, no.
[08:07] <Fyodorovna> cool
[08:07] <helmut_> hi
[08:07] <[Saint]> It is completely empty.
[08:07] <Ben64> maybe it sees it as an external drive or something?
[08:10] <[Saint]> I didn't notice anything was amiss until I went to mount the partition I assumed wasn't already mounted in order to export a git checkout to it
[08:10] <[Saint]> "already mounted, owned by root...wait, what?"; then...here.
[08:10] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], is it read only?
[08:11] <[Saint]> Fyodorovna: no
[08:11] <[Saint]> root has RW
[08:12] <Fyodorovna> [Saint], I have never bothers to learn that stuff, thanks I could not tell from the paste, thanks.
[08:13] <[Saint]> Fyodorovna: that's fine - the paste gives no useful information on the question you asked.
[08:14] <Layke> How do I stop the really loud THRUMP when I hit <tab> for instance in terminal?
[08:14] <[Saint]> Gah. Yes it does. Need coffee.
[08:14] <Layke> It's the autocmplete sound
[08:14] <Layke> It's above the sound of anythying else on my system.
[08:15] <[Saint]> Layke: that will be your systems amp disengaging
[08:15] <[Saint]> (if its an audible thump that obviously isn't a system sound)
[08:16] <Layke> Well, I mean my description of the sound was bad :) It is a machine sound. It sounds like a warning notification
[08:16] <Layke> It's because it's telling me that there are no autocomplete availabilities
[08:16] <Layke> But like my spotify sound might be like 20% and this volume is a few times louder
[08:17] <[Saint]> That's...weird.
[08:17] <[Saint]> I have no such sound.
[08:17] <[Saint]> Unless I turn my volume up WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY high.
[08:17] <Layke> Found it :) It was "Terminal Bell"
[08:17] <Layke> I have been through the terminal profile settings sooo many times
[08:17] <Layke> Looking for sound configuration
[08:18] <[Saint]> And even then, it seems to be interference from my amp and wireless keyboard, and not a system sound)
[08:18] <[Saint]> I'm on a newly installed 14.04 install right now that I literally have done nothing with except for try to mount a partition and have a "wtf?!?" moment and came in here.
[08:19] <[Saint]> tab completion in terminal is absolutely silent.
[08:19] <[Saint]> (unless, as descibed, if I turn my volume up so loud that I can here the interference induced by the keypresses of my wireless keyboard)
[08:20] <[Saint]> So loud I can here my CPUs changing clocks, in fact. :)
[08:21] <robynata> :-!
[08:23] <robotdevil> wow is dolphin-emu ever getting good
[08:23] <[Saint]> Layke: does pissing around with Settings - Sound Settings - Sound Effects / Alert Volume yeild any fruit?
[08:28] <Pr0jectRec0n> so I have a xubuntu machine with an AMD card connected, but I'm using the VGA out - directly from the mobo - so it should be using the on-board (intel VGA) drivers, correcct? how do I double-check this ?
[08:28] <[Saint]> Maybe I should ask my question in the Ubuntu G+ community
[08:28]  * [Saint] smirks slightly
[08:28] <Pr0jectRec0n> but when I do a 'lspci | grep -i vga' I get the AMD cards info..
[08:29] <simbageoleo> anyone on here use lubuntu
[08:30] <cebor> Hi, after every reboot my Ipv6 Address is not set, i can fix it with "ifdown && ifup"! My config: https://gist.github.com/cebor/23e0756d4ff7218dc95a Please Help me!
[08:31] <[Saint]> Pr0jectRec0n: my initial thought is that it isn't listed there, perhaps, because its not using a PCI bus?
[08:31] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, commonly addressed here, outline the issue.
[08:32] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, my wireless is greyed out saying the switch needs enabling but there is no switch
[08:32] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, and i tryed the fn+f1 to enable it nothing happens
[08:32] <daschel> when copying a large chunk of data in nautilus, how can I determine whether the process is hung or just taking a long time?
[08:33] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, Is lubuntu an added desktop to a ubuntu install?
[08:33] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, no lubuntu is the only os on this machine
[08:34] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, So a lubuntu install, no other desktop ever?
[08:34] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, it was windows xp prev but i changed it
[08:34] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, not operating system but desktops.
[08:35] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, its a laptop
[08:35] <Fyodorovna> Fyodorovna, I mean desktop as the guided user interface of lubuntu.
[08:36] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, i am new to this termonoligy i dont think i am quite getting what you mean
[08:36] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, This was and has been only a lubuntu desktop.
[08:36] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna,  yes
[08:37] <[Saint]> How does one "add Lubuntu to an Ubuntu install"?
[08:37]  * [Saint] senses he's being somewhat pedantic
[08:39] <daschel> [Saint]: do you just want to use the DE from Lubuntu or what?
[08:39] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, desktop can mean a desktop computer, so for example if you wanted to install xubuntu, you would in the terminal run sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop that help in the understanding of the term desktop in this context.
[08:39] <Fyodorovna> two meanings
[08:40] <shunya_chakra> hi
[08:40] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna,  i think so lol
[08:40] <[Saint]> daschel: neither - I was being somewhat pedantic about someone else's poor choice of wording that made a sentence needlessly confusing.
[08:40] <daschel> ah, ok.  i only caught the tail end
[08:41] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, Cool, not sure on the wifi though, I wonder if you are just missing a driver, the wifi hardware is shown if you in the terminal run lspci
[08:41] <Fyodorovna> give us that wifi hardware ino simbageoleo
[08:41] <Fyodorovna> info*
[08:42] <shunya_chakra> getting this trying to  update This requires installing packages from unauthenticated sources
[08:42] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, 01:01.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
[08:42] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, pastebin the whole update upgrade run in the terminal
[08:43] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, i have to pastebin these to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ????
[08:44] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, In the terminal run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade and pastebin all the text including the commands, you do not have to install you have a yes or no option.
[08:44] <[Saint]> Surely just sources.list would be sufficient?
[08:45] <[Saint]> That's the bit that actually matters in the end.
[08:45] <llutz> shunya_chakra: get the missing keys, add them using sudo apt-key
[08:46] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, I have the feeling you are missing a wifi driver, and I think we had a conversation earlier and I gave you this thread, maybe maybe not, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=309041
[08:46] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, llutz is correct, I wanted to se what the missing keys were with the commands.
[08:47] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, sudo apt-get update ... pastebin ...http://pastebin.com/ceEMqjwm
[08:47] <shunya_chakra> llutz, Fyodorovna  how can add add key?
[08:47] <shunya_chakra> means wehre can i get that
[08:48] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, try this command then run another update sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 1DB8ADC1CFCA9579
[08:49] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, That key number is in the red highlight
[08:49] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, ok, i think now apt-get upgrade working
[08:49] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, that hex number??
[08:49] <shunya_chakra> red
[08:50] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, no upgrade needed as far as pastebin, just follow the last post
[08:50] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, yes that hex with as the command I gave you
[08:50] <Fyodorovna>  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 1DB8ADC1CFCA9579
[08:51] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, ohk, I run upgrade command.. and it's working.. is i need to stop upgrade than....
[08:51] <shunya_chakra> add key.. then again upgrade?
[08:51] <naresh> hey
[08:51] <shunya_chakra> hello
[08:51] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, no never stop a upgrade
[08:51] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, i have tried looking for additional drivers but none were found
[08:51] <naresh> hey
[08:51] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, add key and run the update to see if you get the same info or it is clean
[08:51] <shunya_chakra> naresh, you can ask directly
[08:52] <shunya_chakra> ok Fyodorovna, ok I'll stop that and add key than run it again
[08:52] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, May not be in the repos that is the point, and this is a conjecture, have you read the resolved link on the exact wifi hardware I gave you.
[08:52] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, DO NOT STOP A UPGRADE
[08:53] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, I am having the deeling you are not clearly reading my posts.
[08:53] <Fyodorovna> feeling
[08:53] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, yes but what am i looking at here
[08:53] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, The possible answer that fixed the issue on that specific wifi hardware.
[08:54] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, ok , I'll wait... it take time to download update..
[08:54] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, i done the commands now what
[08:55] <justaguy> So, did full disk encryption, but @ startup where i need to unlock, it's in qwerty, and i'm an azerty user... , so cant unlock my hdd yey
[08:55] <Fyodorovna> simbageoleo, I'm not going to be able to help you.
[08:55] <shunya_chakra> Fyodorovna, Thanks so much!
[08:55] <Fyodorovna> shunya_chakra, No prob.
[08:56] <[Saint]> FWIW - you can stop an upgrade, as long as you resume it afterward.
[08:56] <[Saint]> ^Z; do stuff; fg *
[08:56] <[Saint]> (where * is the process id)
[08:57] <simbageoleo> Fyodorovna, great so you lead me into the woods just to run off and leave me for dead
[08:57] <Fyodorovna> justaguy, besides this issue, encryption is a good way to never see your data again.
[08:58] <lastarms> simbageoleo: what do you need help on?
[08:59] <[Saint]> simbageoleo: is this some magical world where people are obligated to assist you?
[08:59] <simbageoleo> lastarms, i need help enabling my wireless
[08:59] <justaguy> Fyodorovna: ... i'm smart enough to remember my password
[08:59] <lastarms> simbageoleo: intel wifi ?
[08:59] <simbageoleo> lastarms,  correst
[08:59] <Fyodorovna> justaguy, That is just one possibility, but heh it's your data. ;)
[08:59] <lastarms> simbageoleo: usually intel drivers are built into the kernel and should be plug and play.
[09:00] <simbageoleo> lastarms, when i did the updates no additional drivers were found
[09:00] <lastarms> update as in sudo apt-get update?
[09:00] <simbageoleo> lastarms,  correct
[09:01] <lastarms> apt-get update as far as I know doesn't deal with drivers
[09:01] <lastarms> simbageoleo: try running iwconfig
[09:02] <simbageoleo> lastarms, lo eth0 and eth1
[09:03] <lastarms> so you don't have a wifi attached
[09:03] <lastarms> simbageoleo: how about lsusb?
[09:03] <simbageoleo> lastarms, there is a wireless chip in this machine also an external card
[09:03] <Dylen34842> Would something like this work to replace the contents of all the files in a directory with the contents of another? find /home/test -name \*.yml -exec cat /home/filecopy/test.yml > {} \; I cant figure out how to format it correctly
[09:04] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, 01:01.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)  from the user lspci
[09:04] <lastarms> hrmmm
[09:04] <simbageoleo> lastarms,  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[09:04] <simbageoleo> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[09:04] <simbageoleo> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[09:04] <lastarms> did you check if there is a physical switch for the wireless?
[09:05] <rhel> hi
[09:05] <lastarms> hi rhel
[09:05] <simbageoleo> lastarms,  yes there is non and i already tryed the fn+f1 to enable it
[09:06] <lastarms> simbageoleo: try sudo modprobe ipw2200
[09:07] <simbageoleo> lastarms, nothing happened in the terminal
[09:07] <lastarms> try iwconfig again
[09:07] <lastarms> see if it works
[09:08] <simbageoleo> lastarms, nope same as before
[09:08] <lastarms> do you have an ethernet cable attached?
[09:08] <[Saint]> System Settings - Software and Updates - Additional Drivers
[09:08] <simbageoleo> lastarms, yes thats what i am using atm
[09:09] <[Saint]> In the unlikely event that the OS needs to pull in additional drivers, this will trigger it to do so.
[09:10] <[Saint]> It will also tell you what, if any, proprietary drivers are in use.
[09:10] <lastarms> simbageoleo: Searching the forum, I found a few people with the same cases
[09:10] <lastarms> simbageoleo: they have a lot of "ways" that you can try
[09:11] <lastarms> simbageoleo: could you try each of them?
[09:11] <simbageoleo> lastarms, sure i have no idea what the code means i just type it
[09:11] <lastarms> http://pastebin.com/PTFhrKp6
[09:12] <lastarms> simbageoleo: try to follow what they say
[09:12] <lastarms> simbageoleo: read to the end before trying the commands
[09:12] <lastarms> simbageoleo: bests of luck
[09:12] <lastarms> simbageoleo: and try [Saint] 's advice
[09:12]  * [Saint] just wishes to say that, generally speaking, it is a pretty bad idea to blindly c/p random bits of code from teh infowebs
[09:13] <lastarms> [Saint]: it's a bad idea to copy codes from anywhere
[09:13] <lastarms> unless you know what you're doing
[09:13] <lastarms> which I think most people don't
[09:13] <lastarms> makes life fun though
[09:13] <lastarms> sysadmins doing rm -rf /
[09:13] <[Saint]> Well, yes, but from some areas you have somewhat of an expectation that nothing malicious is intended.
[09:14] <lastarms> [Saint]: that's how a virus was create
[09:14] <lastarms> created*
[09:14] <[Saint]> In the public space, however, this isn't so - if you're not able to discern what is safe yourself.
[09:15] <lastarms> [Saint]: that's why you need to know what you are doing, or be prepared to be screwed by trolls
[09:16] <[Saint]> This is one of the reasons I like to keep a few virtual machines on hand
[09:16] <lastarms> [Saint]: debugs and to try out stuff
[09:16] <[Saint]> So you can study an unknown binary before introducing it to "the real world".
[09:16] <lastarms> [Saint]: I would really like to try to do rm -rf and see what I will get
[09:17] <[Saint]> Depending on the OS, it may or may not be smart enough to warn you against it being a very bad idea.
[09:17] <[Saint]> Or, it may just happily procede and nuke itself.
[09:18] <lastarms> [Saint]: I think ubuntu requires the additional command
[09:18] <[Saint]> Last time I tried this I believe all debianesque systems had a "yeah, you probably don't wanna do that...but, if you do..." prompt.
[09:19] <mexi_d3> I think * will work but /* will produce a confirmation/warning
[09:19] <lastarms> [Saint]: I still don't get how sysadmins can be dumb enough to trigger that
[09:19] <lastarms> sudo rm -rf /
[09:19] <mexi_d3> lastarms: I've done it accidentally. Been in the wrong folder, or put a space in by mistake due to typo
[09:19] <Pr0jectRec0n> I installed this l2tp-ipsec-vpn from a launchpad PPA following instrrcutions from here: http://bailey.st/blog/2011/07/14/connecting-to-a-l2tpipsec-vpn-from-ubuntu-desktop/ -- It looks liek that PPA doesn't havbe any sources for Trusty (which is what I run) as apt-get update times out for trusty for that repo
[09:20] <[Saint]> There's a case for it.
[09:20] <[Saint]> You may be running entirely from /boot at the time, for instance
[09:20] <Fyodorovna> !ppa | Pr0jectRec0n
[09:20] <[Saint]> and nuking/replacing the / image
[09:20] <mexi_d3> [Saint]: For example "rm j* and typo to "rm j *"
[09:20] <lastarms> [Saint]: ho- I've never thought of that!
[09:21] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, So th e issue is getting the actual packages?
[09:21] <lastarms> sometime I think that using rm is very dangerous and should not be used.
[09:21] <lastarms> especially if you have a desktop
[09:22] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, my question is it installed something when I tried to install l2tp-ipsec-vpn -- but everytime on login I get this : http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/8b2ae97e
[09:22] <geirha> That's why you do backups ... so you can use rm
[09:22] <[Saint]> That's like saying you shouldn't use the delete key.
[09:22] <lastarms> [Saint]: Delete actually just moves it to trash no?
[09:22] <mexi_d3> there's no trash on command line, unless you installed one
[09:22] <[Saint]> Depending on how your system is configured, yes.
[09:23] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, No idea myself, just was trying to decipher your post, and point out ppa support here
[09:23] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: I don't understand what you are trying to say
[09:23] <[Saint]> In my usual setups, delete is functionally equivalent to rm
[09:23] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: you stated what I thought was a fact... and you showed us your system needs updating.
[09:23] <[Saint]> Its not like I can't still recover anything deleted accidentally.
[09:23] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: are you in need of something?
[09:24] <[Saint]> ...assuming it wasn't immediately written over, which is unlikely.'
[09:24] <lastarms> [Saint]: you have backups then
[09:24] <[Saint]> delete isn't so much delete, itsa more...forget this exists.
[09:24] <geirha> Pr0jectRec0n: It just means there are updates available
[09:24] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, And everytime I do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade - I see these : http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/54a2b9ee
[09:24] <lastarms> [Saint]: people start learning that they need backup after their precious stuff disappears
[09:24] <[Saint]> My systems image to the NAS every 24h
[09:25] <geirha> Pr0jectRec0n: You apparently have some ppas that no longer exist
[09:25] <[Saint]> But, I haven't needed to use a backup in a few years.
[09:25] <Pr0jectRec0n> geirha, Fyodorovna - now I want o go back to the original way - that is UNDO everything I did - that is the stuff from http://bailey.st/blog/2011/07/14/connecting-to-a-l2tpipsec-vpn-from-ubuntu-desktop/ - how easily can I achieve that
[09:25] <Pr0jectRec0n> ?
[09:25] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, all ppa's read the bots message.
[09:25] <Guest34591> How do I recover my volume and time applets on my ubuntu desktop?
[09:26] <Fyodorovna> !ppa-purge | Pr0jectRec0n
[09:26] <Guest50617> hello world
[09:26] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: and do sudo apt-get purge l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[09:26] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591, Sounds like you turned off the function
[09:27] <lastarms> [Saint]: I used to backup to another HDD, until I cleaned up
[09:27] <lastarms> [Saint]: now all important documents are backed up the cloud
[09:27] <Guest34591> Fyodorovna: How did I do that and how do I recover them?
[09:27] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, lastarms - thanks guys - will try and report back!
[09:27] <[Saint]> backing up to the same physical machine is...problematic, potentially.
[09:27] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591, Actualy I missread that as a desktop function, not sure
[09:27] <lastarms> [Saint]: backip up the same machine is not called backing up..
[09:28] <Pr0jectRec0n> however, in an apt-get upgrade, why wpuld it keep back ' linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic parole' ? - Is this something to do with apt-get update not completing successfully (due to that erroneous launchpad ppa)?
[09:28] <Guest34591> Fyodorovna: I get the impression that they went away with the last kernel updat
[09:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> Guest34591, were you talking to me?
[09:29] <[Saint]> Pr0jectRec0n: dist-upgrade will pull those remaining packages in
[09:29] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591, You can choose any installed kernel at the grub menu to confrim.
[09:29] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: just do sudo apt-get install linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic parole
[09:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> [Saint], but but.. I don't want to do a dist-upgrade - I'm on 14.04 and would want to remain on 14.04
[09:29] <[Saint]> throw "apt-get dist-upgrade && update grub" at it.
[09:30] <[Saint]> Pr0jectRec0n: you *will* remain on 14.04
[09:30] <Pr0jectRec0n> [Saint], so - what's diff with dist-upgrade?
[09:30] <Guest34591> I talk with whoever  can help me get back the time on the top of my desktop as well as the volume control
[09:30] <[Saint]> Pr0jectRec0n: ask google about it
[09:31] <xubuntu_> hello world
[09:31] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591, You are not going to confirm your hypothesis?
[09:31] <xubuntu_> hello
[09:31] <Guest34591> Pr0jectRec0n: Fyodorovna : I'm looking for help to recover my time on top of the screen as well as the volume control
[09:31] <Guest34591> Fyodorovna: How do I confirm that?
[09:31] <simbageoleo> lastarms, how di i bring up the wireless icon please
[09:31] <lastarms> simbageoleo: ?
[09:32] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591> Fyodorovna: How do I confirm that?  Fyodorovna> Guest34591, You can choose any installed kernel at the grub menu to confrim.
[09:32] <Guest34591> Fyodorovna: You mean to reboot from a previous kernel to see ... ?
[09:32] <Fyodorovna> to confirm*
[09:32] <Fyodorovna> Guest34591, Yes.
[09:32] <Guest34591> Will try
[09:33] <[Saint]> Guest34591: Settings - System Settings - Sound - Show sound volume in the menu bar; and Settings - System Settings - Time and Data - Clock - Show clock in menu bar
[09:34] <[Saint]> Ahhhh...ffs.
[09:34] <[Saint]> Way to be patient, guy.
[09:35]  * [Saint] wonders when people became to expect IRC to be real-time support
[09:35] <[Saint]> I feel like starting a "back in my day..." rant
[09:36] <lastarms> [Saint]: well, there are a lot of linux users now
[09:36] <lastarms> and they are expecting windows/mac support
[09:36] <lastarms> which have never existed
[09:36] <lastarms> but humans will be humans
[09:36] <lastarms> even when they have google
[09:36] <lastarms> I used to have to scour the forum when google was still small
[09:37] <[Saint]> Back in my day, we had to walk 15 miles in the snow to use IRC.
[09:37] <[Saint]> And it was uphill all the way there, and back!
[09:37] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, I had to tell a MS tech what to do to get a activation key made, and get W8.1 installed with a disk that was sent supposedly pre-activated, was not.
[09:37] <lastarms> luckily I've never had to do that
[09:37] <Pr0jectRec0n> lol - even the ppa-purge failed for the same reason : http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/d14c72f7
[09:38] <lastarms> guys, remind me. For Pr0jectRec0n, all that's left is to just delete the folder right?
[09:39] <Pr0jectRec0n> well, I wanted to do it the 'clean' way - ppa-purge and then purge the installed package
[09:39] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: A reason why I hate PPA
[09:40] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, Did you add it to the sources.list rather tha sources.list.d
[09:40] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, I didnt do anything manually - whatever is given opn the site here: http://bailey.st/blog/2011/07/14/connecting-to-a-l2tpipsec-vpn-from-ubuntu-desktop/
[09:41] <taviash> I have a static library which I'm trying to link in cmake. the file to locatead in  '/usr/xenomai/lib/libanalogy.a' I do  "link_directories(/usr/xenomai/lib/)" and then  "target_link_libraries(${PROJECT_NAME} analogy)" but still get a linker  error
[09:42] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, pastebin the output from this command grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/}
[09:42] <newbie|2> Fyodorovna: I booted from a previous kernel.  Same problem ... partially.  I used to have the time on the top of the screen.  I got it, but on the bottom of the screen (I can deal with that, though I'd prefer on the top), but the volume control, however, is still imopssible.  I found it, but it was light gray, so I couldn't choose it
[09:43] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, the ubuntu desktop has no bottom panel.
[09:43] <newbie|2> Fyodorovna: My error, I'm using Ubuntu Studio, but that should be like Ubuntu, shouldn't it?
[09:43] <Fyodorovna> commonly called unity
[09:43] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, Is no that a xubuntu]
[09:44] <Fyodorovna> is not
[09:44] <newbie|2> Fyodorovna: I looked at the ubuntustudio IRC channel, but there are 39 people and I don't have hours to wait for an answer
[09:45] <lastarms> newbie|2: what was your problem?
[09:45] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, does not answer the question, is that not a xubuntu desktop
[09:46] <newbie|2> I think it's a ubuntu desktop.  What differs is that on the bottom, there is a group of buttons
[09:46] <newbie|2> Stuff to click on
[09:47] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, Is there a panel on the left of the screen?
[09:47] <newbie|2> lastarms: I'm using Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio.  After the latest upgrade of the kernel, I have no more the time and volume controls that I had before
[09:47] <lastarms> Fyodorovna: I think he's using a "theme"
[09:48] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, How about a screenshot
[09:48] <newbie|2> Fyodorovna: Nothing on the left
[09:48] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, unity has no bottom panel, \
[09:48] <lastarms> newbie|2: you can't listen to audio? or you can't control the audio?
[09:48] <lastarms> Fyodorovna: I think he's using gnome
[09:48] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, That is not a ubuntu desktop, you would have a panel on the edt
[09:48] <Fyodorovna> lefy*
[09:49] <newbie|2> lastarms: audio control.  I can't change the volume
[09:49] <Fyodorovna> left* DOH
[09:49] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, gnome what at the least two options, I know what they have.
[09:49] <newbie|2> Fyodorovna: How do I share the screenshot?
[09:50] <Fyodorovna> newbie|2, never mind, not an issue I will help with.
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[09:50] <unopaste> newbie|2 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[09:51] <Pr0jectRec0n> newbie|2, lol
[09:51] <lastarms> audio issue is a hassle to fix... with pulse and alsa doing whatever they like...
[09:51] <lastarms> I can't help with that... totally no clue
[09:51] <lastarms> newbie|2: try googling
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[09:52] <lastarms> newbie|2: see if you can find any help in regards to that
[09:52] <lastarms> maybe there are someone who has the same issue with you
[09:52] <Schalla> He really pasted a PNG image?^^
[09:53] <lastarms> Schalla: from the codes, yup
[09:53] <Schalla> Yeah the file header is a PNG, I just wondered.
[09:53] <lastarms> He probably should quit before he gets banned permanentl
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[09:53] <Schalla> :D
[09:53] <lastarms> newbie|2: quit
[09:54] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, long gone
[09:54] <Luisja> I am about to install xubuntu, dual booting with windows 8. I rezised my W8 partition, leaving it at 70 GB (50GB already used). I am going to use an ntfs partition (storage) to share documents, music, etc between both OS using symlinks. Creating an aditional partition for Home is needed or is redundant? what size should the home partition be (compared to storage)
[09:54] <lastarms> getting banned in #ubuntu is the last thing you want to happen
[09:54] <newbie|2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7617257/
[09:54] <Schalla> Any recommendations for a authentication method to use for courier,postfix and maybe even ftp?
[09:54] <simbageoleo> question what flavour of ubuntu or linus do you guys reccomend for a noob with a very old notebook
[09:54] <newbie|2> lastarms: Sorry, didn't realise that ...
[09:54] <ikonia> simbageoleo: how many users ?
[09:54] <lastarms> Schalla: Tacacs or Radius or Cerberus
[09:54] <Schalla> simbageoleo, most likely Ubuntu.
[09:55] <Schalla> *Xubuntu
[09:55] <lastarms> newbie|2: png, try to use imgur or something
[09:55] <Fyodorovna> Luisja, 2nd home is your option, can  be done later if needed for an upgrade
[09:55] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, Cannot paste the o/p - but waht I was looking for - the offending PPA was not present there
[09:55] <simbageoleo> not linux  mint then
[09:55] <newbie|2> lastarms: Just pasted the pic like you said
[09:55] <Fyodorovna> Luisja,err separate home.
[09:55] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, in that grep o/p
[09:55] <Paddy_NI> Is it safe to remove ibus from Ubuntu 14.04?
[09:55] <lastarms> Paddy_NI: ensure you have another input method before you do that
[09:55] <lastarms> newbie|2: pasted where?
[09:56] <Schalla> simbageoleo, from the *Ubuntu versions, XUbuntu will be the best choice, since XFCE is the one with the tiniest resource usage
[09:56] <Schalla> lastarms: Will take a look, thanks
[09:56] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, Oh I don't believe I do
[09:56] <newbie|2> lastarms: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7617257/
[09:56] <lastarms> newbie|2: and I wasn't the one who requested a picture...
[09:56] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, Not sure I believe you analysis of the text from what I have seen so far.
[09:56] <simbageoleo> Schalla, thank you
[09:56] <Fyodorovna> your*
[09:56] <Schalla> There are ofc other distros which may require even less
[09:57] <lastarms> newbie|2: your problem has got to be something to do with a kernel bug with your driver. Try google. I totally can;t help you in regards to alsa and pulse problems...
[09:57] <Fyodorovna> lastarms, The user has gone for awhile
[09:57] <Schalla> for a while = 20 secs before
[09:57] <Schalla> ;p
[09:57] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, I have had this issue with Lubuntu on a laptop and now with Ubuntu on the tower.  It seems that even with my Region and Keyboard set to English UK I am getting the US layout
[09:57] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, I have made no modifications other than to update it and install the restricted extra
[09:57] <Paddy_NI> *extras
[09:57] <lastarms> Paddy_NI: I think that can be easily fixed with a command
[09:58] <lastarms> Paddy_NI: try googling ubuntu keyboard layout or something
[09:58] <Paddy_NI> loadkeymap or something
[09:58] <Paddy_NI> okay cheers :-)
[09:58] <lastarms> Fyodorovna: well, I said what I wanted to, if he didn't hear it, not my problem. And I was going to tell him I can't help anyway
[09:58] <Luisja> Fyodorovna: So the end result would look like this: W8 partition with OS (70GB ntfs), Xubuntu Root (20GB ext4), Storage (350GB ntfs), Swap (x2Ram Swap), Home (30 GB Ext4), is this good?
[09:58] <lastarms> Schalla: hehe
[09:59] <simbageoleo> i am hopeing that this install wont give me the prefix error
[09:59] <lastarms> Luisja: if you have spare, try getting a bigger root
[09:59] <lastarms> Luisja: it will help a lot when you need to upgrade to a newer OS after you have a lot of programs installed
[09:59] <Fyodorovna> Luisja, If that is what you want sure.
[09:59] <Luisja> lastarms: bigger? how much?
[10:00] <simbageoleo> how do i format a disc on lubuntu please
[10:00] <Fyodorovna> Luisja, Personally I never have a separate home, but I don't upgrade releases, I fresh install
[10:00] <lastarms> Luisja: I would think around 32GB. But it's up to you
[10:00] <tech2> Hi all, I'm writing a juju charm and when a relation triggers, how do I determine the IP address of the remote machine the other service is on?
[10:00] <Luisja> thanks both for you help !
[10:01] <lastarms> tech2: arp -a?
[10:01] <lastarms> tech2: not sure what your requirement is, but arp will tell you about other machines in the same segment
[10:02]  * Fyodorovna watches Yanni on PBS and and goes mmmm pseudo middle eastern music
[10:02] <tech2> lastarms: I have a multi-master database setup, with replication. When a link is formed between the two via a relation in juju, how does the juju hook script know what each end's IP addresses are (or do I need to carry that around as local configuration info?)
[10:03] <kDycuLaptop> okay so, I'm still stuck with this problem from yesterday, hoping a different set of eyes will have more insight.
[10:03] <lastarms> tech2: I might be wrong, but I think that you should ask that in Juju's forum instead of Ubuntu...
[10:04] <kDycuLaptop> I'm running this GUI program at boot, which crashes out when automatically run
[10:04] <tech2> Fair enough, thanks lastarms
[10:04] <kDycuLaptop> but if I call it manually through the terminal everything is fine
[10:04] <kDycuLaptop> why? and how can I fix that?
[10:05] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: what is the crash report?
[10:05] <kDycuLaptop> I don't get a crash report unfortunately :/
[10:05] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: what's the difference in the environment when you auto-run and when you do a manual run?>
[10:06] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, lastarms - guys - I just used the accepted answer from here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed and I'm good to go now..
[10:06] <kDycuLaptop> I have no idea what the difference is, it seems pretty much the same to me?
[10:06] <lastarms> Pr0jectRec0n: good for you
[10:06] <kDycuLaptop> it's like the autostart.sh file looks like
[10:06] <kDycuLaptop> cd /root/pinbox/bin
[10:06] <kDycuLaptop> ./run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen
[10:07] <kDycuLaptop> and in order to call it in the terminal
[10:07] <kDycuLaptop> it's just sudo su
[10:07] <kDycuLaptop> and then the other two commands
[10:07] <kDycuLaptop> :/
[10:07] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, So where the ppa's sources.list or sources.list.d
[10:07] <Pr0jectRec0n> Anywya, the issue I faced with upgrade keeping back packages (exactly similar pkgs for me) is asnwered here - and why dist-upgrade would work : http://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade
[10:08] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, read the question I linked - even that OP didn't have them listed under /etc/apt/source.list (or .d) ..
[10:08] <simbageoleo> does anyone here own a windows pc
[10:08] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: so when you run it manually, u use root
[10:09] <kDycuLaptop> yeah, i spose
[10:09] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, you are confused, no where else would they be.
[10:09] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: how do you run it automatically?
[10:09] <simbageoleo> or know anyone that has got the dreaded gameover zeus virus
[10:09] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, so - what are you/were youi suggesting..?
[10:09] <kDycuLaptop> uh, I'm not exactly 100% how that works. I have an autostart.sh file in /root/pinbox/scripts that does it
[10:09] <kDycuLaptop> which I assume is linked somewhere else that runs it at start?
[10:10] <lastarms> putting a script in /root/* will not make it run automatically
[10:10] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, That you do not understand is all.
[10:10] <Sven_vB> i'm installing trusty thar. the live session starts working fine, i fill in the installer, it starts to install stuff, i go away do other stuff, and when i come back, my screens show strange colors flickering, sometimes switching to console for a few moments to show messages about nuveau or how it's called (some nvidia driver). i know i managed to fix it somehow some time ago via ssh, but ssh isn't responding at this stage. how can i tell the
[10:10] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, hmm ok
[10:10] <Sven_vB>  installer to use the graphics driver that made the live session work?
[10:10] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: for autostart script you have to either use cron or place it in init.d
[10:10] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, You fixed it though, so no biggie. ;)
[10:10] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, what was the point of the grep - to prove it wouldn't be there under sources.list or sources.list.d?
[10:11] <lastarms> Sven_vB: did it refuse to install?
[10:11] <karooga> Hi, I'm trying to install package dependencies for doing a build.  I already have some long running processes of applications that I already build on the system.  Is there a risk that I could break the already running applications (that I built)?
[10:11] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, yeah, but something desgined to do that - failed : ppa-purge
[10:11] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, that it would be in either, I just did not trust you ran it or read it right
[10:11] <Pr0jectRec0n> Fyodorovna, hmm
[10:11] <kDycuLaptop> I don't really know what cron is but let me check init.d
[10:12] <lastarms> karooga: depends on what the dependancies are. Although I would think not
[10:12] <Fyodorovna> !cron | kDycuLaptop
[10:12] <kDycuLaptop> hm
[10:12] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: use cron. if you don't know cron, read up on it. init.d is much more dangerous when you have no idea what cron is
[10:12] <Sven_vB> lastarms, no, install started w/o problems. i checked again and the new host is even replying to ping now, just not to SSH, which might be not installed yet
[10:12] <kDycuLaptop> okay, let me try that.
[10:12] <Fyodorovna> Pr0jectRec0n, Again no biggie, there is a learning curve, we all go through it.
[10:12] <karooga> lastarms: I see that there are upgrades for things such as libstdc etc.
[10:13] <kDycuLaptop> I don't care at all how it works, I just want it to, hahah
[10:13] <simbageoleo> can anyone suggest a iso burning program please
[10:13] <kDycuLaptop> and clearly the "default" way this is set up is not working :p
[10:13] <lastarms> Sven_vB: if it installed  no problem, then just uninstall the noveau. then it would revert to the common linux X driver
[10:13] <Sven_vB> lastarms, with "new host" i mean that it now uses the hostname i set, not "ubuntu", so it probably has rebooted
[10:14] <Sven_vB> lastarms, ok. is there a way to prevent it from installing nuveau in the first place?
[10:14] <lastarms> karooga: then you have to check the logs on what changed in libstdc and whether those changes will break your program...
[10:14] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: google crontab
[10:14] <lastarms> Sven_vB: I don't think so... you'll have to use an alternate installer or something...
[10:15] <lastarms> simbageoleo: ubuntu comes with one automatically
[10:15] <kDycuLaptop> oh boy this stuff is complicated. so I can make a crontab, which just tells my system to run this program on this display at this specified time, yeah?
[10:15] <simbageoleo> lastarms, oh right lol thanks
[10:15] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: yeap
[10:15] <kDycuLaptop> complicated.
[10:15] <kDycuLaptop> haha
[10:15] <lastarms> but since you need root for your script
[10:16] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: use crontab -e when you're root
[10:16] <karooga> lastarms:  Ok.  Would I be correct in understanding that there shouldn't be any changes in interfaces to libraries if there are just package upgrades (not dist upgrade).
[10:16] <kDycuLaptop> gotcha
[10:16] <lastarms> and then google for the command to start a script at boot
[10:16] <kDycuLaptop> and this will run a gui program fine?
[10:16] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: it should I think
[10:16] <kDycuLaptop> do you know enough about it that if I make my crontab script(? do I call it that?) I can run it by you to see if it's horribly screwy or not? haha
[10:17] <lastarms> karooga: packages upgrades means that there might be code changes including api changes
[10:17] <lastarms> karooga: if an api that you use from a package changes, then your program will fail
[10:17] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: crontab will only run the script and shouldn't screw up your system
[10:17] <karooga> lastarms: Ok.  So is is possible to install the two versions side by side? or that not a good idea?
[10:18] <kDycuLaptop> okay
[10:18] <Luisja> forgot to ask, is an additional /boot partition really necessary while dual booting_
[10:18] <lastarms> karooga: it's possible, but you will have to reference it in your program
[10:18] <Paddy_NI> Luisja, no
[10:18] <lastarms> Luisja: nope, people use a /boot partition to ensure that they didn't screw up /boot when they screw up /
[10:19] <simbageoleo> do i extract the iso the the cd
[10:19] <karooga> lastarms: Ok, that sounds more pain that just rebuilding my apps.  Thanks for the help.  Gonna just upgrade, hide under my blanket and see if ppl start screaming. :-)
[10:19] <lastarms> karooga: let's hope not haha
[10:19] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, No, just use imgburn
[10:20] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, http://www.imgburn.com/
[10:20] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: btw, when you reply, try including the person's name. it helps a lot
[10:20] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, I am assuming you are using windows right now?
[10:20] <kDycuLaptop> lastarms, okay doke, can do.
[10:21] <simbageoleo> how do i use the terminalk to download it please
[10:22] <lastarms> simbageoleo: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:22] <lastarms> ubuntu should come with an iso burner
[10:22] <simbageoleo> lubuntu
[10:22] <lastarms> you just have to double click your iso, or right click it
[10:22] <lastarms> it should give you an option to burn the iso
[10:22] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, lubuntu should have it's own tool for buring iso
[10:22] <Paddy_NI> xfburn I think
[10:25] <Paddy_NI> Actually according to the Lord our Google xfburn is a bit messy when dealing with iso files.  simbageoleo how about just installing "brasero" and using that instead
[10:25] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Why must you use the terminal to download ubuntu?
[10:25] <lastarms> btw, anyone here uses irssi?
[10:26] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, On and off, I still prefer xchat
[10:26] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, i have no idea on this stuff i have always had windows but hate them and all they stand for
[10:26] <Paddy_NI> I am sure irssi mops the floor with it but I still like it
[10:27] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, What are you trying to achieve?
[10:28] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, well i atm have lubuntu but want xubuntu as this install had a prefix error plus cant get wireless working
[10:28] <simbageoleo> yes i installed it with the wubi installer
[10:29]  * simbageoleo spanks self
[10:29] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, I have no idea what the "prefix" error is and I am not sure if xubuntu will solve your wifi problem
[10:29] <lastarms> Paddy_NI: I was hoping someone who knows about irssi could actually tell me how I can list the windows that I have
[10:29] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, How about #irssi
[10:29] <lastarms> oh right
[10:29] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[10:30] <lastarms> hehe... after being here for so long I forgot that usually those channels exists
[10:30] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, What spec is your computer?  Are you trying to stick to lightweight desktops?
[10:31] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, That happens to me all the time :-)
[10:32] <simbageoleo> noob question how do i boot into xubuntu from lubuntu please
[10:32] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, If I could take time and figure out how to use "screen + irssi" properly I would probably switch full time
[10:33] <simbageoleo> from a disc
[10:33] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, You cannot boot into xubuntu from lubuntu
[10:33] <lastarms> Paddy_NI: I use tmux, although screen is as easy. Just open it, and then leave it open. exit using ctrl a + d
[10:33] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Have you downloaded and burned the iso?
[10:33] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, yes i have
[10:33] <Paddy_NI> lastarms, I will have to come back to you on that later :-)
[10:34] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Okay do you know how to set your boot order in the bios of your pc?
[10:34] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, yes i do and have done that
[10:35] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, then have you put the cd in the tray and reboot your computer ?
[10:35] <hagbard__> i have problem with installation of gtk on ubuntu.someone can help me?
[10:35] <Paddy_NI> hagbard__, gtk?
[10:35] <Paddy_NI> hagbard__, For development or do you mean Gnome?
[10:35] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, it boots straight into this even tho i set the cd as boot option 1
[10:36] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Hmm.. have you tried the cd on another computer?
[10:36] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Also have your read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD
[10:36] <hagbard__> for developpement
[10:36] <Paddy_NI> *you
[10:36] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI,  yes it works fine i have checked the files and they appear to be all there
[10:37] <hagbard__> i get problem when I install pango
[10:37] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, It boots on another system?
[10:37] <Paddy_NI> hagbard__, I am in unfamiliar territory with this sorry I hope someone else can help
[10:39] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, yes it does
[10:39] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, How did you burn the iso?
[10:39] <Paddy_NI> I am curious because only a very short time ago you where asking how to burn it?
[10:40] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, using xfburn
[10:40] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Are you currently using the computer you wish to boot the cd from?
[10:40] <Paddy_NI> Do chat on irc that is
[10:40] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, yes i am
[10:41] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Reboot and try the cd again
[10:41] <simbageoleo> ok
[10:41] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[10:45] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Any success?
[10:45] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, nope
[10:46] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, how old is your computer?
[10:46] <mark06_away> what's a nice and easy gui tool for taking snapshots of disk partitions for possibly restoring them later? I want to make backups of my ubuntu installation for further use in case it gets messed up
[10:47] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, clonezilla is pretty good
[10:47] <simbageoleo> Paddy_NI, when i select cd it flashes up for a sec then goes back to the boot screen its a packard bell e2310
[10:48] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, I am sure there are hundreds of alternative methods. That all depend on what way you wish to do it
[10:48] <kDycuLaptop> lastarms, okay so I have my root crontab using the @reboot instead of a specific timing, and it's still crashing out.
[10:48] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Try downloading and burning another fresh iso
[10:48] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, And use brasero this time
[10:49] <Paddy_NI> simbageoleo, Basically once brasero is installed you would open the iso with it and burn it
[10:49] <mark06_away> Paddy_NI: I wanna do what I said, that's it... backups of ubuntu installation I can restore if I feel like it's messed
[10:50] <mark06_away> Paddy_NI: it'd be convenient if I could use the program on windows... no need to boot a live cd or something.... because on windows, ubuntu partitions are not in use
[10:50] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, Clonezilla is probably going to be your best option. I will have a quick google
[10:51] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, Not sure if it can clone a partition from the same disk whilst it is in use
[10:51] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, This is just of the top of my head
[10:52] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: are you using root?
[10:52] <mark06_away> ok, I'm going through their webpage, thanks for the suggestion anyway
[10:52] <Paddy_NI> mark06_away, This is a good guide for http://www.howtoforge.com/back-up-restore-hard-drives-and-partitions-with-clonezilla-live
[10:52] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: As in, are you using sudo crontab -e ?
[10:52] <kDycuLaptop> to edit the crontab, yeah
[10:52] <kDycuLaptop> yes
[10:52] <kDycuLaptop> er lastarms yeah, I am
[10:52] <lastarms> hrmmm...
[10:52] <lastarms> I don't know why then...
[10:52] <Paddy_NI> gotta talk to the gardener just a sec
[10:52] <kDycuLaptop> well crud
[10:52] <lastarms> unless, it might be waiting for something to load before it can run
[10:53] <lastarms> maybe try adding a delay in your script?
[10:53] <kDycuLaptop> how do I do that?
[10:53] <lastarms> delay it for ~1 min before running
[10:53] <lastarms> bash script?
[10:53] <kDycuLaptop> yeah
[10:53] <lastarms> sleep 1m
[10:53] <lastarms> that will make it sleep for 1 min
[10:53] <lastarms> or sleep 30 for 30 sec
[10:53] <kDycuLaptop> kk I'll try that
[10:54] <lastarms> good luck
[10:54] <lastarms> I'm logging off soon
[10:54] <teuku> test
[10:54] <hagbard__> I begin malware analysis and i want malware can you give me someone
[10:55] <kDycuLaptop> lastarms, thanks for all your help thus far, I appreciate it!
[10:55] <lastarms> kDycuLaptop: no problem!
[10:58] <E3MyBodyIsReady> hagbard__: Try #security
[10:58] <hagbard__> ok thank
[11:00] <kDycuLaptop> lastarms, no go on the 1m sleep :/
[11:05] <simbageoleo> still nothing
[11:06] <Taueres> hey to all. I want to install Protégé software on Ubuntu
[11:07] <Taueres> Is there any package in the repository?
[11:08] <gustavo9> #kernelnewbies
[11:10] <nikitosiusis> hi
[11:10] <nikitosiusis> I've updated something on my ubuntu 14.04 and now my speakers don't turn off when I plug in headphones. How to fix that?:)
[11:12] <simbageoleo> how do i use smartbootmanager with lubuntu
[11:13] <histo> nikitosiusis: check in sound options if jacksense is checked
[11:13] <histo> !info protege
[11:14] <nikitosiusis> histo, I can't find this option in sound options(
[11:15] <histo> nikitosiusis: or you can try alsamixer in a terminal and start ticking the checkboxes
[11:15] <histo> or unmuting
[11:16] <nikitosiusis> I tried gnome-alsamixer. When I check auto-mute nothing happens and in console there is "** (gnome-alsamixer:4792): WARNING **: gam_toggle_set_state (). No idea what to do for mixer element "Auto-Mute Mode"!"
[11:18] <histo> nikitosiusis: try unmuting some of the spdif channels
[11:18] <histo> nikitosiusis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ALSA/JackSense
[11:18] <nikitosiusis> I have sound from both headphones and speakers now, how unmuting something else can help?
[11:18] <nikitosiusis> seeems upgrade brought some broken modules and this feature is broken on my setup now
[11:19] <nikitosiusis> I just can't figure what package does this
[11:19] <histo> nikitosiusis: it's probably just a setting umuting one of the spdif's or whatever usually re-enables jacksense
[11:21] <nikitosiusis> well I tried all ticks there and nothing changes anything(
[11:22] <histo> nikitosiusis: you can try #also or the forums or askubuntu
[11:23] <nikitosiusis> Can you tell me what package could be upgraded and lead to this? Something with alsa?
[11:23] <histo> nikitosiusis: most likely
[11:24] <nikitosiusis> only gstreamer1.0-alsa was updated(
[11:24] <histo> nikitosiusis: that shouldn't do it any other "sound" packages ?
[11:26] <nikitosiusis> histo, http://pastebin.com/a4F2K2WM it will be very difficult to find :)
[11:27] <histo> nikitosiusis: I'm not seeing anything looks like just codecs
[11:28] <e^0> any ubuntu users running awesome wm ?
[11:28] <nikitosiusis> I tried old kernel already, no more ideas(
[11:28] <histo> e^0: I have in the past
[11:28] <e^0> hi histo ;)
[11:28] <histo> nikitosiusis: I gave you my ideas
[11:29] <e^0> histo: does it work out of the box or it needs some fixing ? currently i am on gentoo and want  to use awesoem 3.5.5 on ubuntu
[11:29] <histo> e^0: yes it works oob
[11:29] <histo> e^0: I went to it for a bit when I strayed from i3 for awhile. However, now i'm happily back with i3
[11:30] <e^0> histo: ok :)
[11:30] <histo> gentoo > ubuntu interesting....
[11:31] <e^0> histo: why interesting ?
[11:31] <nikitosiusis> gonna downgrade unity then(
[11:31] <e^0> histo: mostly people migrate from ubuntu-> gentoo that's why :P
[11:31] <histo> e^0: just odd.
[11:31] <histo> nikitosiusis: unity has nothing to do with your sound system
[11:31] <nikitosiusis> same as other packages:)
[11:31] <histo> nikitosiusis: try in the forums or askubuntu or in #alsa  perhaps you will find your answer
[11:32] <e^0> histo: because  some thing's doesnt support in gentoo out of the box, there are lot's of fixes to be done which i don't like, it's like waste of time.
[11:32] <e^0> the best example is can't run docker under gentoo hardened + zfs :(
[11:33] <MaxFrames> hello
[11:33] <e^0> tried a complete day but no result, atlast the responsible gentoo dev tol still the fix is yet to  be found :(
[11:34] <e^0> histo: so now i have to use ubuntu.
[11:37] <histo> e^0: don't have to but... I understand what you are saying.
[11:38] <e^0> histo: just to have docker under gentoo i had waited more than 3 months, that's like the test of patience for me :/
[11:38] <wadie> I have a shell script that I have executed,but I don't know how to pin that script to the taskbar ?
[11:38] <wadie> In other words: how to pin a shell script to the taskbar ?
[11:40] <histo> e^0: lol I heard you time vs. reward
[11:40] <histo> s/heard/hear/
[11:41] <e^0> hmmm
[11:43] <histo> e^0: I couldn't handle emerging myself.
[11:44] <histo> e^0: too much time wasted
[11:45] <nikitosiusis> I've reverted everything and nothing helped:)
[11:45] <kDycuLaptop> what am I looking to do when I want to set up a program name to have like... an alias?
[11:45] <histo> kDycuLaptop: setup a program name where?
[11:45] <e^0> histo: apart from that my concern recently was due to high I/O as i am using KDE+awesome the disk failure probability was great for old HDD
[11:45] <kDycuLaptop> like right now I run this program by navigating to it's director
[11:45] <e^0> s/great/high
[11:46] <kDycuLaptop> *directory and typing
[11:46] <kDycuLaptop> "./run pinbox blah blah"
[11:46] <histo> kDycuLaptop: add the directory to your path
[11:46] <histo> kDycuLaptop: then you can just type pinbox blah blah.
[11:46] <kDycuLaptop> histo, okay thanks :]
[11:46] <histo> kDycuLaptop: or in your ~/.bashrc  add an alias
[11:47] <histo> kDycuLaptop: add soemthing like alias pb='/whatever/some/place/pinbox blah blah'
[11:48] <kDycuLaptop> histo, in the bashrc file?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> how can i add 4 ubuntu iso's in multibootusb tool?
[11:49] <histo> kDycuLaptop: yes
[11:50] <histo> lotuspsychje: use YUMI
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !info yumi
[11:50] <histo> lotuspsychje: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> histo: lemme lookup tnx
[11:50] <kDycuLaptop> histo, so the line looks like alias pinbox='/root/pinbox/bin/pinbox' ??
[11:51] <histo> kDycuLaptop: yes but you won't have access to /root as a regular user
[11:51] <kDycuLaptop> oh. what do I do then?
[11:52] <histo> kDycuLaptop: put the script or program somewhere more sane
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> histo: installing, looks promising tnx
[11:53] <kDycuLaptop> histo, can I do that after it's installed?
[11:53] <simbageoleo> how do i enable wireless on my belkin card
[11:54] <histo> kDycuLaptop: is it a script or a binary?
[11:54] <kDycuLaptop> histo, the program I working with comes installed with this specific distribution as a all-in-one solution type of deal
[11:54] <histo> kDycuLaptop: What distro are you running?
[11:55] <histo> kDycuLaptop: is this pinball stuff?
[11:55] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it started as lubuntu 10.04 which I have since upgraded to... uh what's the current ver number? haha
[11:55] <kDycuLaptop> histo, uh. yes. how'd you know?
[11:55] <histo> google
[11:56] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it's been a constant headache for the last three weeks of my life trying to get this running :/
[11:56] <histo> kDycuLaptop: you can move the scripts to /usr/local/bin if you want
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> histo: is there a password for yumi, it says root pass is wrong?
[11:56] <histo> kDycuLaptop: or use .bashrc alias those are your options
[11:56] <histo> lotuspsychje: no should be your sudo password.  if not try launching it with gksu yumi  or whatever.
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> histo: kk
[11:57] <kDycuLaptop> histo, just move the whole /root/pinbox/scripts folder to /usr/local/bin, and that should work?
[11:58] <kDycuLaptop> or the /root/pinbox/bin folder?
[11:58] <histo> kDycuLaptop: idk what else is in pinbox directory?
[11:58] <histo> kDycuLaptop: just make an alias and move the pinbox directory your users home
[11:59] <guest-Fmcz0g> mame maodo né
[11:59] <histo> guest-Fmcz0g: english?
[11:59] <kDycuLaptop> histo: the whole pinbox directory into my home?
[12:00] <histo> kDycuLaptop: yes
[12:00] <histo> kDycuLaptop: why did you put it in root in the first place?
[12:01] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it installs there automatically
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> histo: can only find YUMI gui, doesnt wanna gksudo yumi
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> histo: paclage not found
[12:01] <kDycuLaptop> histo, trust me, if I had a choice during the install I'd put it somewhere *not* there :p
[12:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: do you run the program as a regular user or as root?
[12:04] <kDycuLaptop> histo, well, in order to get to the program directory, I have to be a root user, so yeah I have to run it as root
[12:05] <rhqq> hello. is there a way to disable editor select menu while editing ie crontab for the first time?
[12:05] <rhqq> globally
[12:05] <histo> kDycuLaptop: well you could try adding an alias to your .bashrc of alias sudo='sudo '   then also add your alias pinbox='/root/bin/pinbox'  that should allow you to run sudo with an alias from your users .bashrc and may work as root
[12:05] <histo> rhqq: set your default editor first
[12:06] <rhqq> it's already set
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> !info gambas3
[12:06] <histo> rhqq: run select-editor first?
[12:07] <rhqq> i want to avoid having .selected_editor file and avoid having that prompt at all.
[12:07] <rhqq> plus it's auto-configured setup
[12:07] <rhqq> so i want to avoid running select-editor
[12:07] <histo> rhqq: hrm..
[12:07] <Wobbo> I am looking for a tool to retrieve. All not necessary spaces and carriage returns out in HTML, JavaScripts and CSS. Alle for a smartphone site. As with jQuery min stuff. Any tips?
[12:07] <rhqq> i have dumb users setting up emacs
[12:08] <histo> rhqq: can you set their EDITOR environment variable?
[12:08] <rhqq> yes, but it doesnt change a thing
[12:08] <histo> rhqq: it should
[12:09] <histo> rhqq: it will override their selected_editor
[12:09] <rhqq> ha, weird
[12:10] <rhqq> normal user -> editor set, crontab -e  = works
[12:10] <rhqq> root user -> editor set, crontab -e = works
[12:10] <rhqq> normal user -> editor set (globally in /etc/bash.bashrc), sudo crontab -e = picker
[12:11] <histo> rhqq: is /etc/profile sourcing the global bashrc ?
[12:12] <rhqq> it's by default
[12:12] <rhqq> hm, unless
[12:12] <rhqq> sudo crontab -e doesn't do the initial
[12:13] <rhqq> bingo
[12:13] <rhqq> sudo bash -c 'echo $EDITOR'   returns empty
[12:14] <rhqq> histo: thanks for letting me think aloud ;)
[12:18] <Donnylad> hi ppl
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> histo: cant get yumi to work, with gksudo
[12:20] <histo> lotuspsychje: okay well then when it asks just enter your sudo passowrd
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> histo: says its wrong
[12:21] <histo> lotuspsychje: is your caps lock on?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> histo: no, didnt do anything unusual
[12:21] <histo> lotuspsychje: why can't you run it with gksu ?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> histo: it never starts
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> histo: when i type yumi without gksudo it says package not found
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> histo: it has other name maybe?
[12:22] <etronik> Hi all, need your help w/ stuck boot on acpi.. changed my HD to another laptop case, exactly same model (with slightly faster CPU).
[12:22] <histo> lotuspsychje: yes perhaps. dpkg -L yumi
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> histo: tryed yumi-gtk but no luck
[12:23] <histo> lotuspsychje: or dpkg -l | grep yumi    to see what the package name is then dpkg -L packagename  to see what files it installed.
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> histo: /usr/share/applications/yumi.desktop
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> histo: doesnt work, ill try later tnx
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:24] <etronik> I have already tried the acpi=off in grub, but result is worse as boot doesn't even seem to begin...
[12:27] <histo> etronik: does it also hang in the other laptop?
[12:27] <etronik> histo: no, on the other laptop it booted just fine
[12:28] <histo> etronik: bios settings different?
[12:29] <etronik> histo: well possibly and possibly even different versions of BIOS, but I can't check settings as... video card on the old one is gone !!
[12:30] <etronik> histo: I have disabled everything resembling "legacy USB" support - as I've read on some posts
[12:30] <histo> etronik: that's odd... I believe there are other acpi flags you can try passing besides off as well.
[12:31] <etronik> yeah the noapic or nolapic
[12:31] <etronik> but... as I change that in grub, pressing ctrl+x - it immediately gets stuck, while without that it seems to go on a bit then after a while get stuck
[12:31] <g105b> How do I map a network drive in Ubuntu so that the files are available offline?
[12:32] <histo> etronik: memtest
[12:32] <etronik> hmm really ?
[12:32] <histo> g105b: you don't
[12:32] <g105b> histo: it's so easy in Windows, works flawlessly.
[12:32] <histo> g105b: you'd have to have a local copy of the files for it to be availible offline
[12:33] <etronik> well, I'll give it a go
[12:33] <histo> g105b: I'd love to see that work.
[12:33] <g105b> histo: obviously there is a local copy involved, but it is abstracted by the "make available offline" checkbox.
[12:33] <histo> etronik: I'd suspect that or powersupply from what you are saying.
[12:33] <etronik> g105b: that's two features of windows - 1. map net drive  and 2. make network srive available offline (basically a copy)
[12:34] <etronik> histo: power supply !?
[12:34] <histo> g105b: so just rsync the network'd version
[12:34] <g105b> etronik: yep, how do I do that in Ubuntu?
[12:34] <histo> etronik: well not in your case due to it being a laptop
[12:34] <histo> g105b: rsync
[12:36] <etronik> g105b: first things first - can you mount a network drive ? start with that first
[12:36] <g105b> etronik: yeah, mounted right now.
[12:36] <cephalopod> hey all...
[12:36] <histo> g105b: or bittorrentsync although closed source.
[12:37] <g105b> histo: Crashes in Ubuntu 14.04
[12:37] <histo> g105b: rsync?
[12:37] <g105b> histo: no, bittorrentsync.
[12:37] <histo> g105b: ahh well give rsync a go
[12:37] <etronik> g105b: ok, now you just need a way to sync betweek the network drive and some location on your PC to hold the "offline copy"
[12:37] <dey> rsync rocks
[12:38] <g105b> histo: thanks, will look into automating it.
[12:38] <etronik> g105b: try searching GUI for that
[12:38] <etronik> try this:
[12:38] <etronik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-August/120702.html
[12:38] <histo> g105b: rsync -a /somedirectory /someotherdirectory
[12:38] <etronik> or start from there
[12:38] <cephalopod> minor issue: left my laptop on suspend over the weekend and the battery ran out of juice... now when I try and boot in recovery mode I get::
[12:38] <etronik> histo: my guess g105b want a GUI front-end to rsync
[12:39] <histo> !info grsync | g105b
[12:39] <etronik> ok, off to memtest though I think it must be fine
[12:39] <histo> etronik: is video drifferent between the two?
[12:39] <cephalopod> "can't open /dev/mapper/mint-vg-root" after I see a "cryptsetup successful"
[12:39] <etronik> histo: any more ideias besides memtest ? I'm almost sure it ain't it
[12:40] <etronik> histo: no, video is the same
[12:40] <histo> etronik: I would assume it's hardware then if it works fine in an identical machine.
[12:40] <cephalopod> also tried to use a live-disk and choose 'upgrade' but it doesn't wan't to let me as the hdd isn't mounting / is returning a "didn't unmount" type of error
[12:41] <histo> cephalopod: are you running mint?
[12:41] <g105b> Thanks histo, etronik.
[12:41] <etronik> histo: I have ran the diagnostics on the board and it seems fine - with this new laptop "case" and it's original HD, I did install and run Ubuntu so it's can't be hardware
[12:42] <Donnylad> need a bit of help guys how do i update my adobe flash
[12:42] <alw> identify dx3lam
[12:42] <etronik> I just brought the HD from the old case into the new case
[12:42] <OerHeks> alw time to change your password
[12:42] <histo> etronik: then what hw wise is different between the two?
[12:43] <histo> Donnylad: how'd you install it?
[12:43] <histo> lol alw
[12:43] <etronik> histo: I think the CPU, before was 1.8 Ghz now is 2.0 Ghz same Intel Duo Core stuff
[12:44] <histo> etronik: It has to be hardware then
[12:44] <svip> I have a /tmp directory I cannot ls (it just hangs), so during boot, the system hangs on "Cleaning temporary files..."
[12:44] <histo> etronik: unless bios like you say
[12:44] <kDycuLaptop> so okay. I've moved my pinbox application to a more sane directory and it seems to run fine... except it *still* crashes if I try and have cron autolaunch it at startup
[12:44] <svip> Which means I cannot boot.
[12:44] <etronik> histo: so... what do you suggest ?
[12:44] <Donnylad> histo, i dint install it i just been to the software center and it was already installed but its not the latest Version
[12:44] <histo> etronik: see if the bioses match
[12:44] <svip> Anyone has a suggestion how to fix my /tmp directory so it can be written and read from again?
[12:44] <kDycuLaptop> but it still runs perfectly fine when launched from the command line
[12:45] <bazhang> svip, on debian?
[12:45] <etronik> histo: then I'm stuck as both the video card and monitor on the old one are broken
[12:45] <histo> Donnylad: upgrade your packages then
[12:45] <svip> bazhang: Yes.
[12:45] <histo> Donnylad: or do you mean the latest from adobe?
[12:45] <bazhang> svip, keep it in #debian , dont cross post here
[12:45] <svip> Ah well, no one knows then.
[12:45] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what more 'sane' directory did you move it to?
[12:47] <Donnylad> histo, am on the adobe site and it has APT for Ubuntu 10.04+ but when i go to download it comes up with launch application with no applications in it
[12:47] <histo> svip: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107655
[12:47] <histo> Donnylad: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[12:48] <Donnylad> histo, 14.04
[12:48] <kDycuLaptop> histo: it's currently in /home/pinbox/pinbox/
[12:48] <OerHeks> !info flashplugin-installer
[12:48] <cephalopod> yes
[12:48] <cephalopod> was hoping to switch back to ubuntu
[12:48] <histo> Donnylad: what version of flash are you trying to install?
[12:48] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what users cron are you using?
[12:48] <Obhur> hey guys, i installed mac ubuntu on a USB stick, but i does not work on a mac, what should i do?
[12:49] <histo> !mac | Obhur
[12:49] <Donnylad> histo, the latest to run facebook games
[12:49] <cephalopod> trying to repair with mint atm
[12:49] <kDycuLaptop> histo, root
[12:49] <histo> Donnylad: Why do you think you have an older version?
[12:49] <OerHeks> Donnylad, the adobve site gives the same Version 11.2.202.359
[12:50] <cephalopod> wish I'd backed up last week
[12:50] <histo> kDycuLaptop: then why did you move it to a users home?  I'm so confused.....
[12:50] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what is in your crontab vs. what are you typing?
[12:50] <Obhur> histo: i read this, and followed it to the word several times, it still does not show the USB on booting
[12:50] <Donnylad> histo, because when i try run a game in facebook its asking to update adobe flash
[12:51] <cephalopod> I also get (in non-recovery startup) "cryptsetup:evms_activate is not available"
[12:51] <cephalopod> I take it this is a bad sign?
[12:51] <histo> Donnylad: apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[12:51] <Obhur> histo: also my firmware does not have an Ubuntu version, my firmware is 8,1
[12:51] <Obhur> histo: i think the problem is that ubuntu is running BIOS and mac is running EFI
[12:52] <histo> Obhur: try in #ubuntu-mactel
[12:52] <Obhur> histo: thanks i will
[12:52] <kDycuLaptop> histo, uh, I didn't know there was a difference really.
[12:53] <Obhur> histo: there is no one in the channel
[12:53] <kDycuLaptop> histo, relatively inexperienced with linux, probably somewhat obviously so
[12:53] <histo> kDycuLaptop: sudo crontab -l    and pastebin the output
[12:53] <histo> !paste | kDycuLaptop
[12:54] <histo> kDycuLaptop: also put in that pastebin the command you are typing to run the program
[12:54] <rhqq> hist: problem persists even with setting/exporting EDITOR in /etc/profile
[12:55] <histo> rhqq: that's weird... I'm at a loss.
[12:55] <svip> histo: Thank you.  But I also found that thread; his issue seems to be a badly configured fstab and too little disk space.  I have none of these issues.  Moreover, I did an fsck on my system and it works fine.
[12:55] <kDycuLaptop> histo: pastebin.com/JHV8Kz7D
[12:56] <kDycuLaptop> oh shit I didn't see that last bit about the command line
[12:56] <Obhur> histo: are you sure it is the correct channel?
[12:56] <svip> histo: My own suggestion is to delete the tmp-directory and create a new one.
[12:56] <histo> Obhur: I don't know if there is another ubuntu mac channel. There is a ubuntu mac team you can find on help.ubuntu.com  see what is there.
[12:56] <svip> histo: But I don't know if that is wise.
[12:57] <histo> svip: why don't you manually remove the directory that is the problem?
[12:57] <Obhur> histo: thanks
[12:57] <kDycuLaptop> histo, pastebin.com/mTqASqfb
[12:57] <svip> histo: Hmm, it would appear I cannot.
[12:58] <histo> kDycuLaptop: do you see the difference there? you are calling automount.py in crontab and you typed autostart.sh  in your command line...  Also do you realize how often that will run in crontab?
[12:58] <Donnylad> histo, still getting FarmVille 2 is here and it's in 3D!
[12:58] <Donnylad> To play you'll need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player.
[12:59] <histo> Donnylad: you have the most recent version of flash installed
[12:59] <histo> Donnylad: you could try the open source flash plugin and see if it works there.
[12:59] <rhqq> histo: i found the issue - it's ubuntus lack of /etc/bashrc file that is called when bash is ran in interactive mode
[12:59] <Donnylad> i ran the apt-get that you sent and it did say i have
[13:00] <histo> rhqq: ughh
[13:00] <rhqq> it has only /etc/bash.bashrc
[13:00] <kDycuLaptop> histo, I didn't put automount.py there though
[13:00] <histo> kDycuLaptop: well it's there. now.
[13:00] <histo> kDycuLaptop: compare sudo crontab -l to  just  crontab -l    the one with sudo is root's crontab the regular is just your users.
[13:01] <kDycuLaptop> histo, there is no crontab for pinbox
[13:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: K well someone or the script put that automount.py there.  Which will run every minute
[13:02] <kDycuLaptop> histo, is that a bad thing?
[13:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: What is the current issue then?
[13:02] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it does attempt to boot on startup but crashes out
[13:03] <histo> kDycuLaptop: I have no idea what that script does or why it would need to run every minute.
[13:03] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it only works if I launch it from the cli
[13:03] <histo> kDycuLaptop: What only works if you launch what from the cli? They are two different commands.
[13:04] <kDycuLaptop> histo, the command to launch pinbox only works if I do it from the CLI
[13:04] <histo> kDycuLaptop: What is pinbox and what do you mean by launching it?
[13:05] <histo> kDycuLaptop: is it some kind of interactive application? or just sits in the background doing it's thing?
[13:05] <kDycuLaptop> histo, pinbox is the game/emulator that I am have trouble running at startup. by launching it, I mean by typing the ./run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen command to start the program
[13:05] <kDycuLaptop> it's interactive with the actual real life pinball machine it's hooked up to
[13:05] <histo> kDycuLaptop: Why are you trying to call it with cron?
[13:06] <kDycuLaptop> histo, cause someone else told me that was the way to call GUI apps on startup
[13:06] <histo> kDycuLaptop: Does the application need X to run?
[13:06] <kDycuLaptop> histo, no it doesn't, it can be run without a graphical environment
[13:07] <TeraJL> hi there, i know i can control the volume per app, but is there any way to switch the output per app? (i have 2 outputs, the bluetooth speaker and laptop speaker)
[13:07] <histo> kDycuLaptop: okay well remove whatever garbage you put in root's crontab and then call the app at the bottom of /etc/rc.local
[13:07] <svip> hesto: I think I might have figured it out: There are apparently so many files in /tmp that it takes ages just to ls.
[13:08] <histo> svip: you can delete them all. They are normally removed on reboot anyhow.
[13:08] <svip> Yes, I was just OVERWHELMED by the amount of files (and so apparently was the system), I ran rm -vr tmp/* 5 minutes ago; no output yet.
[13:10] <ldiamond> Why can't I see dd progress when do kill - usr1 in 14.04
[13:10] <kDycuLaptop> histo, okay I did that and rebooted and it still crashed out.
[13:10] <histo> svip: what all is writing there?
[13:10] <histo> ldiamond: you should be able to
[13:10] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what crashed out?
[13:10] <histo> and what does crashing out mean? I can't see your screen.
[13:10] <svip> histo: Some files named sess_NUMBER
[13:11] <Obhur> histo: i think i found the problem
[13:12] <kDycuLaptop> histo, the pinbox program I'm trying to get to run properly at startup. it gives me a black screen for a few seconds and then returns to the GUI
[13:12] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what GUI do you have starting on boot?
[13:12] <kDycuLaptop> histo, XFCE-4
[13:13] <Obhur> histo: i have an Intel Core i7 processor, i think Ubuntu does not support it, only AMD64 right?
[13:13] <histo> kDycuLaptop: do you have the user auto logging in to xfce4?
[13:13] <kDycuLaptop> histo, sure do.
[13:13] <guerard> sexe
[13:14] <E3MyBodyIsReady> Obhur: No, it supports it. AMD developed x86-64 first, so their name gets thrown around
[13:14] <histo> kDycuLaptop: Application Menu > Settings > Settings Manager and choose Session and Startup click the tab Applicaiton Autostart and you can add a program to autostart
[13:14] <E3MyBodyIsReady> Intel adopted AMD's instruction set this time around
[13:15] <histo> kDycuLaptop: you can remove the stuff from rc.local now... that I understand what you are trying to accomplish
[13:15] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReady: hmmm, ok. back to research then :-)
[13:15] <timkofu> is anyone else unable to install anthing right now?
[13:16] <timkofu> it seems all ubuntu repos are resolving to ipv6 addresses that dont work
[13:16] <kDycuLaptop> histo, pinbox does not show up in that list, is there a way to get it to do so?
[13:17] <histo> timkofu: nope works fine here.
[13:17] <histo> kDycuLaptop: click add then add an entry for pinbox with your command that you type at the terminal to get it to launch.
[13:17] <histo> kDycuLaptop: Are you using sudo at the command line to launch it?
[13:18] <kDycuLaptop> histo, not when it's in my home directory as I have it now
[13:18] <histo> timkofu: in US with no ipv6 trickery here.
[13:18] <histo> kDycuLaptop: K then just type the /home/pinbox/pinbox... whatever as the command to run
[13:19] <kDycuLaptop> histo, my startup application manager seems to be located in a program called desktop session settings, where it doesn't have an option to add a line :/
[13:20] <histo> kDycuLaptop: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[13:23] <kDycuLaptop> histo, lubuntu 14.04
[13:24] <histo> kDycuLaptop: So you installed xfce or are you running lxde?
[13:24] <Obhur> if anyone knows how to make ubuntu work on a MacbookPro please talk to me, i am really struggling with it
[13:25] <E3MyBodyIsReady> Obhur: I use it in VMWare Fusion
[13:25] <kDycuLaptop> histo, I'm a bit confused I think... I thought I was running xfce but I think you are right, I must be running lxde
[13:25] <kDycuLaptop> histo, I apologize for the misstatement :/
[13:26] <g105b> I have a shell application that I'd like to create a minimal GUI for, within the Unity panel (top right near clock). Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[13:27] <histo> kDycuLaptop: Okay there are several ways to do this.  Lets try editing your ~/.config/openbox/autostart file   add your command there and make sure the line ends with a & symbol
[13:27] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReady: i am trying to make a live USB so i can use the full computer, and not have two OS working at the same time
[13:28] <timkofu> histo: well, it's a ramnode vps. I guess maybe they are the ones mucking about
[13:28] <histo> kDycuLaptop: after you add your app there just log out and back in to lubuntu
[13:29] <svip> histo: Ah yes, there was 5832540 files in /tmp
[13:29] <g105b> http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/ links broken on page
[13:29] <histo> svip: is this a web server?
[13:29] <svip> histo: Yes.
[13:30] <kDycuLaptop> histo is it normal/okay for that file to not exist yet?
[13:30] <histo> kDycuLaptop: does the openbox directory exist?
[13:30] <kDycuLaptop> histo, yeah it does
[13:30] <svip> histo: Are you implying this is normal behaviour for a web server?  Or are you implying it might be overloaded with sessions?
[13:30] <histo> kDycuLaptop: yeah that's fine create an autostart file there. This will be the easiest way for me to explain how to do this.
[13:31] <histo> kDycuLaptop: that file gets called when openbox starts. Openbox is the default window manager used by LXDE your desktop environment.
[13:31] <histo> kDycuLaptop: so in the file you would put /home/pinbox/pinbox... &
[13:31] <histo> svip: the later
[13:32] <kDycuLaptop> histo, okay done and done. logged out and in.
[13:32] <histo> kDycuLaptop: did it start?
[13:32] <kDycuLaptop> histo, nooope.
[13:32] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it didn't even try to start
[13:32] <svip> histo: Any suggestions (or references to somewhere) on how to prevent this?
[13:33] <histo> kDycuLaptop: edit the file and add 'sleep 5 &&'      to the front of the /home/pinbox  line without quotes
[13:33] <kDycuLaptop> okay
[13:34] <histo> kDycuLaptop: or to clarify lets do (sleep 5 && /home/pinbbox/pinbox...) &     just like that
[13:34] <histo> kDycuLaptop: that will wait 5 seconds to ensure the desktop loads then run your command
[13:36] <kDycuLaptop> histo that didn't do either... maybe I'm doing this wrong? I put in sleep 5 && cd /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin && ./run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen
[13:37] <histo> kDycuLaptop: '(sleep 5 && /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin/pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen) &'          try adding everything inside the quotes there including the ()
[13:39] <kDycuLaptop> histo, still didn't launch.
[13:40] <histo> kDycuLaptop: are you typing ./run pinbox  in a terminal to launch this scrip?
[13:40] <kDycuLaptop> histo, yes I am
[13:41] <histo> kDycuLaptop: sorry do this '(sleep 5 && /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin/run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen) &'
[13:42] <Obhur> there was a person here yesterday who was helping me with the mac installation, his nick name starts with a D
[13:43] <kDycuLaptop> histo, no luck there either.
[13:43] <histo> !log | Obhur
[13:43] <histo> kDycuLaptop: pastebin the output of       ls -l /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin        please
[13:44]  * histo swears he is getting trolled right now.
[13:45] <kDycuLaptop> histo, pastebin.com/Ymy1pddP
[13:45] <kDycuLaptop> histo, if only. :/ this has been my nightmare for the last three weeks trying to get this POS to run ><#
[13:46] <histo> kDycuLaptop: open a terminal and type in      /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin/run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen                         does it launch
[13:47] <histo> kDycuLaptop: also pastebin your ~/.config/openbox/autostart file please
[13:48] <kDycuLaptop> histo, it tries to but spits out an error "sh: 1 ./pbupdate: not found
[13:48] <kDycuLaptop> Killed."
[13:48] <Obhur> histo: got his name, thanks
[13:48] <Obhur> deftykins where are you ?:-)
[13:49] <Obhur> daftykins: found you :-)
[13:52] <histo> kDycuLaptop: hold up a second the script is running and has issues executing outside of it's own directory
[13:53] <histo> kDycuLaptop: can you pastebin the run file from the pinbox/bin directory please
[13:53] <kDycuLaptop> sure
[13:53] <lukas_> hey
[13:54] <kDycuLaptop> histo, not quite sure how I should go about that... run is an executable file?
[13:54] <histo> kDycuLaptop: open it with an editor
[13:55] <kDycuLaptop> histo, like a regular text editor like leafpad or something?
[13:55] <histo> kDycuLaptop: yeah leafpad /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin/run
[13:56] <TomyLobo> "executable" in linux doesnt mean it's native or some other binary code
[13:56] <TomyLobo> it can also be a script with a so-called shebang (like "#!/bin/sh") at the top, which tells the kernel which interpreter to launch
[13:56] <kDycuLaptop> histo, all that does is spit out a couple of strange characters and ELF
[13:57] <histo> kDycuLaptop: ughh
[13:57] <kDycuLaptop> (strange character that don't seem to copy over to pastebin
[13:57] <kDycuLaptop> )
[13:57] <TomyLobo> ok in that case, it's native code :)
[13:57] <TJ-> kDycuLaptop: "file  /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin/run"
[13:58] <histo> kDycuLaptop: in your autostart file '(sleep 5s && cd /home/pinbox/pinbox/bin && run pinbox -bpp 16 -fullscreen) &'
[13:58] <histo> kDycuLaptop: or try copying and pasting everything inside the ' in a terminal first and ensure it works for my sanity.
[13:59] <wiiguy> hello , how can i install Radeon Mobility HD4650 dreivers on my laptop ?
[13:59] <histo> !ati | wiiguy
[14:00] <Obhur> what will happen to my computer if i install rEFInd?
[14:00] <wiiguy> ok will try it, thanks :)
[14:01] <TomyLobo> Obhur if you're asking questions like that, do you think you're ready to mess with the boot process?
[14:01] <kDycuLaptop> histo, I did everything inside the quotes and it started launching but seems to have hung before actually launching the program
[14:01] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> Obhur: You'll have a boot manager. Or a useful paperweight.
[14:01] <histo> TJ-: TomyLobo can you guys help him he just needs to autostart this application of his in LXDE. But the application is just calling other programs realitve to it's location.  I have to get some sleep
[14:02] <TomyLobo> never used lxde
[14:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: did you put it in autostart ?
[14:02] <kDycuLaptop> histo, haven't yet, just put it into terminal
[14:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: that last one I gave you should work. I have to get some sleep.
[14:02] <histo> kDycuLaptop: put it in your autostart and rejoice
[14:03] <kDycuLaptop> histo I really appreciate all your help and hardwork. thank you for helping :]
[14:03] <skinux> What is the SQLite3 package for PHP?
[14:03] <histo> kDycuLaptop: np did it work in autostart now?
[14:03] <Obhur> TomyLobo: i much rather not install anything like that, but i have been trying to install ubuntu on a macbookpro (because it is the only computer i own) for months without success. it is very difficult and complicated.
[14:04] <somsip> !info php5-sqlite | skinux
[14:04] <shreezbot> I'm having an issue with my mouse going all wonky in 14.04.  It will periodically start closing windows when I click them, and if I click a tab in Chrome, it closes the tab.  The "fix" is to hit CTRL+ALT+F1 to switch to tty1 and then CTRL+ALT+F7 to switch back.
[14:04] <shreezbot> Anyone know how to make this stop happening?
[14:04] <kDycuLaptop> histo, still no though. :/ I just got "Ubuntu has experienced an internal error"
[14:05] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> skinux: php5-sqlite
[14:05] <Obhur> TomyLobo: i have installed Ubuntu AMD64+mac on a USB, but it will not show up on the mac boot. even though ubuntu uses EFI
[14:05] <histo> kDycuLaptop: okay /join #lubuntu    tell them the command you are trying to get to run upon logging in.  And explain that it needs to run relative to that directory
[14:05] <mexi_d3> shreezbot: Is this a laptop with a trackpad?
[14:05] <kDycuLaptop> okay thanks I will try that
[14:05] <histo> kDycuLaptop: They will set you straight... I gotta get some sleep.
[14:06] <kDycuLaptop> histo, again I really really really appreciate your help
[14:06] <shreezbot> mexi_d3, Yes, the laptop HAS a trackpad, but I don't use it.
[14:06] <histo> kDycuLaptop: the run pinbox ..... needs to be run from within the bin directory not outside of it or it can find the update whatever program.
[14:06] <TomyLobo> if you have a mac and want ubuntu, sell it on ebay, buy a faster pc for the money, install ubuntu the regular way :)
[14:06] <kDycuLaptop> histo okey doke. good to know.
[14:07] <TomyLobo> i heard bad things about missing drivers
[14:07] <Obhur> TomyLobo: well that would be good, but i use MAC OS X for my work, i want ubuntu because i like it and i want to love it
[14:08] <Obhur> TomyLobo: but i can't seem to be able to work it
[14:08] <Obhur> :-(
[14:08] <tomatoma> hi, font-size in title of firefox is too big. what can i do?
[14:08] <tomatoma> http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3648/ezevrdfy_png.htm
[14:09] <mexi_d3> shreezbot: Maybe if you set to disable the trackpad while you are typing, or disable the trackpad entirely. I believe the trackpad is the source of your error.
[14:09] <TomyLobo> Obhur did you go over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation ?
[14:10] <shreezbot> mexi_d3, Cool!  I will try that.  Especially since I don't use it anyway!  :)
[14:10] <omarit> hello, in the magicrescue text on this page the source drive is stated as /dev/sda1, but in the command it is given as /dev/sdb1 : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery   I guess the command needs to be corrected, right?
[14:10] <Obhur> TomyLobo: yep, followed it word for word, everything ends up successful, except the rEFIt thing, that actualy does not work
[14:10] <Obhur> i have a Ubuntu Live USB right now, but i can't make it boot
[14:11] <TomyLobo> well i dont know
[14:11] <tomatoma> how to change font size in title bar of firefox?
[14:11] <TomyLobo> i never made a bootable ubuntu usb stick
[14:11] <Obhur> TomyLobo: i hear about people successfully installing ubuntu on a mac, but i can't seen to find one to tell me how they did it
[14:12] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> Going from OS X to Ubuntu will be an exercise in frustration imo
[14:12] <TomyLobo> tomatoma only firefox or all apps?
[14:12] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReggie: tell me about it, i have been trying since 2011,
[14:13] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReggie: when ever i have free time, i try it, but it doesn't work, mac and ubuntu have went through many new versions but the instructions are the same, which is why i think they are old and thus do not work
[14:14] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> Obhur: I actually meant because OS X is significantly more polished to use. But yes, EFI and other Mac configurations have made the install process awkward over the years
[14:14] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReggie: is there any other OS that work with EFI so i can install it on a mac?
[14:14] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> Obhur: Ubuntu does work with EFI
[14:15] <OerHeks> !uefi
[14:16] <Obhur> E3MyBodyIsReggie: but all the instructions say it doesn't, which is why we have to install other programs to sync it with the mac's EFI
[14:16] <Obhur> how can i install ubuntu and make it use its EFI? is there a special installation?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: i dont think it's polished. I think its dull
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: its a completely infuriating UI
[14:17] <OerHeks> !mac
[14:17] <TomyLobo> efi isnt uefi though
[14:17] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> ActionParsnip: I'll take Spotlight over the Unity Dash UI anytime, but each to their own
[14:17] <Obhur> TomyLobo: hmmm,
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: I'm a dropbox guy
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: openbox
[14:17] <TJ-> Obhur: what's the exact model of Mac you're attempting to install to, and which version of OSX is currently on it?
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: being working on a dropbox issue today....
[14:18] <Obhur> TJ-: MacbookPro, firware 8,1 Mac OS 10.9.3
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: I keep my openbox menu organisd, so i dont need to search. I know where thins are
[14:18] <E3MyBodyIsReggie> ActionParsnip: Ah, well there's no equivalent for Openbox really, I was comparing to Unity I guess
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> E3MyBodyIsReggie: not a unity fan, too slow to do anything at all
[14:19] <TJ-> Obhur: Thanks; which model number variation is it?
[14:20] <Obhur> TJ-: where can i find the model number? i bought it in 2011
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> Obhur: sudo dmidecode -t 1
[14:22] <yellow55> I applied some updates and upgraded a few days ago, and somehow ended up with linaro. How can I get back to what I had before? The linaro I have is quite broken.
[14:22] <Obhur> ActionParsnip: i get sudo: dmidecode: command not found
[14:23] <TJ-> Obhur: According to the Apple web-site, there's MCxxxxx/A and MDxxxxxx/A versions
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Obhur: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[14:23] <skinux> Is there an SQLite3 package for PHP or do I have to recompile PHP to support it?
[14:23] <Dan_BBC> hello people, anyone here any good with configuring grub ?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Dan_BBC: in what way?
[14:23] <Obhur> ActionParsnip: i get command not found
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Obhur: there is a space between the word 'cat' and '/etc/issue'
[14:24] <somsip> skinux: you've had two replies already - the package is php5-sqlite
[14:25] <Obhur> TJ-: ActionParsnip ok found it, Boot ROM Version: MBP81.0047.B27
[14:26] <Dan_BBC> ActionParsnip: well, i have an ISO partition i use to boot distros and has worked perfectly, which is on my SDB , i have always installed distros on my SDC, However SDC is now failing, so i want to install on SDA, the problem is, the iso the is being loopbacked is being mounted on a virtual sda5, therefore the installer wont allow me to install on sda1 until sda5 is unmounted
[14:26] <Dan_BBC> so i was wondering if in grub i could tell it to set my /loopdevice as say sdf1
[14:28] <Dan_BBC> correction "/isodevice"
[14:30] <TJ-> Obhur: This Apple page gives details on identifying the exact model. I suggest it is important to know this detail since it seems the 8.1 version in particular is quite problematic
[14:30] <TJ-> Obhur: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4132
[14:30] <omarit> hello, in the magicrescue text on this page the source drive is stated as /dev/sda1, but in the command it is given as /dev/sdb1 : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery   I guess the command needs to be corrected, right?
[14:31] <Obhur> TJ-: ok let me check it and get back to you
[14:32] <Dan_BBC> ActionParsnip: did any of that make sense to you?
[14:33] <Obhur> TJ-: this is what i get from the website when i use my serial number: MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011)
[14:33] <TJ-> Obhur: That's good... I think the "early 2011" is the important bit to know, there, since there were (major) differences during that year
[14:33] <SpeendaSh> Hello everyone, i'm  a newbie xubuntu User, i have a little problem with the icons on my desktop, everytime i order them the way i want, when i restart my computer they end up messing arroung not in the place i put them before... do you know how to save their positions ? please ?  (:
[14:34] <Obhur> TJ-: excellent
[14:36] <whoever> hi all is there a way to monitor/get wattage usage of the system
[14:36] <whoever> I am on 14.04
[14:36] <phunyguy> whoever, hooking up a power meter to it would get you a good reading... I don't think you can get an accurate measurement any other way.
[14:37] <whoever> phunyguy: so whats with powertop?
[14:37] <Pici> whoever: powertop is an app that makes suggestions to decrease power usage for laptops.
[14:37] <whoever> phunyguy: I estimate I am using about 300w given the info of of datasheets
[14:38] <etronik> man... the number of hoops I have to jump through just to update my BIOS is mind-numbing... damm...
[14:39] <whoever> Pici: this command doesn't seem to work in ubuntu cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power_now
[14:39] <TJ-> Obhur: Have you tried installing Fedora ?
[14:39] <Obhur> TJ-: no, what is fedora?
[14:39] <Pici> whoever: are you on a laptop?
[14:40] <cfhowlett> fedora is completely off-topic in channel.  take it to PM
[14:40] <whoever> Pici: disktop
[14:40] <TJ-> Obhur: Fedora is another distro, think of it as the development version of RedHat Enterprise. The point being, that since Fedora 18 Macbook installation is supported, so starting there might be better for you
[14:40] <TomyLobo> fedora is one of those distros without an APT
[14:41] <Pici> whoever: Then I wouldn't expect you to have a BAT0 (battery).
[14:41] <zkv> hello
[14:41] <neutralizer> yesterday I asked if is it possible to add a text box (where user can write text) in Ubuntu menu bar (~60px bar at the top) or that space is just for icons?
[14:41] <Obhur> TJ-: thanks, i will read about it :-)
[14:41] <whoever> Pici: i was fixated on "power/supply" and didn't notice BAT
[14:41] <zkv> i just currently run installation minimum from the usb to my netbook. Will i got graphical interface by default or should i make some additional actions?
[14:42] <mars> Hi all, I'm having some trouble getting apport/whoopsie to upload a large crash report from firefox-trunk to launchpad.net.  I can't tell if the system is performing the upload or not.  Can someone give me a hand with this?
[14:42] <OerHeks> zkv, no, if you want a GUI/desktop, install one
[14:44] <dkjfdsjf> Hi,
[14:44] <zkv> OerHeks, thank you. Can i run some command from command line that will lead to the same installation as from the normal cdrom installation?
[14:44] <dkjfdsjf> Does anyone know if there's a package for rawtherapee 4.1 ?
[14:44] <OerHeks> zkv i thought the mini iso gives you a choise for desktop?
[14:45] <phunyguy> OerHeks, it does, you have to select it
[14:45] <zkv> OerHeks, i got mini iso for desktop then installed it and command prompt was given to me. I tried to install once time again. That is what i am doing right now. Maybe i selected wrong option from the start boot menu
[14:45] <phunyguy> and it will pull in the tasks for $desktop
[14:46] <cfhowlett> !info rawtherapee
[14:47] <mars> dkjfdsjf, ^
[14:47] <Asterisks> dkjfdsjf: that'd be a no
[14:47] <phunyguy> what?
[14:47] <phunyguy> how is that a no?
[14:48] <Pici> phunyguy: that isn't version 4.1
[14:48] <phunyguy> Ahh my brain cut off the 4.1
[14:49] <phunyguy> dkjfdsjf, there is a ppa that contains it, just be cautious. https://launchpad.net/~dhor/+archive/myway
[14:59] <zkv> yes. i got the menu where i can select applications to be installed. Which one from them is default which is used in the normal disk installation? There are a lot of options like xubuntu desktop, ubuntu gnome desktop and so on...
[15:00] <genii> zkv: ubuntu-desktop
[15:00] <zkv> genii, thank you very much :)
[15:01] <mars> found part of my issue: /var/log/syslog says whoopsie encountered a proxy error talking to daisy.ubuntu.com
[15:02] <mars> that explains why the crash upload won't start, but I still don't know why apport won't open the LP bug report page for me.
[15:04] <manaar333> hi all!
[15:10] <cocoatito> hello
[15:10] <cocoatito> how can i install pip in ubuntu?
[15:11] <Pici> cocoatito: The package name is python-pip, or for the latest version, you can use get-pip.py  See https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/installing.html
[15:11] <SchrodingersScat> !info python-pip | cocoatito this?
[15:12] <cocoatito> ubottu: yes
[15:12] <cocoatito> ubottu: how do i install it?
[15:13] <SchrodingersScat> cocoatito: probably could through software center, or a sudo apt-get install python-pip
[15:13] <Pici> cocoatito: the same way you would install any other package: sudo apt-get install python-pip
[15:13] <cocoatito> ubottu: i thied it but it doesn work
[15:14] <Pici> cocoatito: Please talk to either SchrodingersScat or myself. ubottu is a computer program.
[15:14] <SchrodingersScat> cocoatito: maybe try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-pip #and pastebin any errors
[15:14] <SchrodingersScat> cocoatito: and tbh Pici is probably more helpful
[15:15] <anev> is there a count of the number of core dumps for userland programs anywhere?
[15:18] <Pici> anev: This *might* be what you are looking for: https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[15:18] <anev> Pici: nice, but not quite.. i thought there would be something in /proc which increments each time a userland prog segfaults/core dumps.. looking for local numbers.
[15:19] <cocoatito> SchrodingersScat:  Thank you I installed it
[15:19] <SchrodingersScat> cocoatito: great
[15:19] <mars> found my answer: since switching from a devel release to stable, apport was reconfigured to only upload crash dumps via whoopsie
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> mars: weird that, switched to stable and you get no issues.....
[15:20] <psychopa1ch> apt-get install iscsitarget-dkms build fails on 12.04.4.  any known workaround at this time?
[15:20] <SchrodingersScat> cocoatito: for the future, 'apt-cache search pip | more ' would be an example of searching apt for pip
[15:20] <mars> the answer was to edit /etc/apport/crashdb.conf and re-add 'Crash' to the reporting, so apport-bug would start reporting to launchpad again
[15:20] <mars> http://askubuntu.com/a/244982/4144
[15:21] <etronik> ok, so I did a full memtest, and even updates the BIOS, I still get a stuck bootup on "acpid" - I've been at this for the whole freakin' day now... I need some help on next steps TIA
[15:22] <etronik> acpi = off with and without noapic nolapic - make no difference - make it worse in fact
[15:23] <TomyLobo> apic != acpi
[15:24] <etronik> I know
[15:24] <etronik> I read those additonal params in some ubuntu page somewhere
[15:24] <genii> etronik: Are you able to boot to recovery?
[15:24] <etronik> yes
[15:26] <etronik> I should point out that I moved the HD from one laptop case to another case with exact same model, though with a 2.0 Ghz processor instead of 1.8 Ghz processor model (same family thhough)
[15:27] <etronik> move was NOT motivated by the processor
[15:27] <genii> etronik: Might want to check if lm-sensors is installed
[15:27] <etronik> what the heck are lm-sensors ?
[15:28] <etronik> CPU and HD temp sensors ?
[15:28] <etronik> hmm I they they are yes
[15:28] <Surkow|laptop> Hi there. Anyone here experience with gbit ethernet via usb3.0? I'm experiencing difficulties with different computers (different ubuntu versions even - 13.10 and 14.10). It's a usb hub an 1gbit network connection. The entire operating system locks up after a few seconds of plugging in a network cable.
[15:28] <etronik> not the sensors.. the utility software...
[15:28] <ipatrol> hello? I need a little help with GnuCash, and irc.gnome.org is dead as a lawn gnome
[15:28] <genii> etronik: Yes. So if acpid can't determine what sort of sensors you have, how can it start? Etc
[15:29] <genii> etronik: Might want to purge and reinstall it ( lm-sensors ) so it can re-determine your equipment if it's not the same as before
[15:29] <etronik> genii: why would acpi have that difficulty if I moved between exactly the same laptop model ?
[15:30] <genii> etronik: Even sometimes within same computer models, they vary the chipsets or BIOS versions
[15:30] <Lope> Are there any linux programs with a GUI where I can sweep a sine wave that I can control the frequency with a mouse or keyboard (up/down/slower/faster) I saw 2 CLI tools siggen and sweepgen. but I need GUI tools?
[15:30] <etronik> genii: anyway, how would I go about removing lm-sensors ? boot into recovery mode, then probaby to command shell then what ?
[15:30] <zergut_> how to create USB Flash install disk?
[15:30] <etronik> genii: chipset and BIOS version are the same...but ok minor variation might exist
[15:31] <SchrodingersScat> !liveusb | zergut_
[15:32] <genii> ekarlso: Then: mount -o rw,remount /     ... then enable network with something like ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0  ( usually, if dhcp server on network)   then apt-get purge lm-sensors && apt-get update && apt-get install lm-sensors
[15:32]  * genii wanders back to work for a bit
[15:32] <zergut_> SchrodingersScat: thank a lot1
[15:32] <ipatrol> is anyone here familiar with GnuCash?
[15:33] <SchrodingersScat> ipatrol: I think i've loaded it twice
[15:34] <ipatrol> SchrodingersScat: I already installed it, but the online banking is giving me a headache
[15:35] <SchrodingersScat> ipatrol: never used the online banking, i was mostly reconciling by hand, until i stopped
[15:35] <ipatrol> it works, but because my bank gives a slightly different name to the debit side of balance transfers than it does to the credit side, the bayesian matcher can't line them up
[15:35] <ipatrol> I'll have to have a word with my bank's IT representative at some later date, but right now I just want it to work
[15:36] <etronik> genii: so how would I go about removing lm-sensors from the recovery mode ?
[15:38] <genii> etronik: I gave the instructions above, but it was mis-directed. I'll repost
[15:39] <genii> etronik:  mount -o rw,remount / ... then enable network with something like ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0 ( usually, if dhcp server on network) then apt-get purge lm-sensors && apt-get update && apt-get install lm-sensors
[15:39] <etronik> ok, thanka will give that a try
[15:39] <mars> worked around bug 267488, crash report is finally uploading
[15:40] <ipatrol> hm?
[15:40] <ipatrol> bug 1337
[15:41] <ipatrol> bug BUZZZZ
[15:42] <Guest99878> hey
[15:42] <Guest99878> Why my localhost redirect to https://hostname?
[15:42] <ipatrol> hey-hey, hey-ey-ey-ey-ey
[15:43] <ipatrol> Guest99878: did you try 127.0.0.1?
[15:43] <daftykins> Vivekananda: did you find anything out about the VPN server yet, then?
[15:44] <Guest99878> yes
[15:44] <Guest99878> same outcome
[15:44] <Guest99878> i installed chef
[15:44] <Guest99878> chef-11 server
[15:44] <Guest99878> and it all got me in trouble
[15:44] <etronik> genii: lm-sensors was not installed... so where should I look next ?
[15:44] <ipatrol> Guest99878: did you look at /etc/hosts ?
[15:45] <the_eye_> hi, I want a graphical mysql query builder. Any suggestion ?
[15:45] <genii> etronik: I would suggest to install it then.
[15:46] <Guest99878> ipatrol: yeah i did
[15:46] <etronik> genii: but... it was booting fine without it... is it really necessary to install it ?
[15:47] <Aturnwald> hello, I've got a few Problems with my ubuntu 13.10, I can't install any packages, so can anyone help me please ?
[15:47] <ipatrol> the_eye_: try SQLeo
[15:47] <SchrodingersScat> !13.10 | Aturnwald
[15:47] <SchrodingersScat> huh, thought that was eol
[15:48] <ipatrol> SchrodingersScat: what will they call it when they get to Z?
[15:48] <genii> etronik: The idea is: we are trying first the simplest possible solution and then moving eventually towards the more convoluted solutions. This is the simplest one we are trying firstly.
[15:48] <Pici> Aturnwald: Are you getting errors? Can you pastebin them?
[15:48] <SchrodingersScat> ipatrol: zesty zebra
[15:48] <ipatrol> SchrodingersScat: and after that?
[15:48] <Aturnwald> No, there is one Programm a DkPg File, and that is corupt, but I can't delete it
[15:49] <etronik> genii: ok, seems logical - however I first must get the correct network device since it was not finding eth0
[15:49] <the_eye_> ipatrol, I tested but need extra drivers for mysql connection.
[15:49] <streulma> hello, how works macfanctld? is it needed? or use applesmc speed?
[15:50] <trac> quick question for anyone who knows the answer. I have a RAID 0 already setup from a windows install. I installed ubuntu on the windows installer as a dual-boot option.  The RAID is not mounted in Ubuntu. How can I mount this RAID drive without wiping the data?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> streulma: I'd say try both, see which works nicer
[15:51] <ipatrol> trac: what FS?
[15:52] <trac> FS? I don't know this acronym
[15:52] <ipatrol> trac: filesystem
[15:53] <streulma> the ati driver gives me glitches in screen, Chrome for example. The opensource xserver-xorg-radion works best
[15:53] <streulma> is it better to use the ati driver one?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> !away > alxgnon|afk
[15:54] <ipatrol> trac: first of all, most windows RAID systems are actually fakeRAID
[15:54] <ipatrol> support for fakeRAID5 is already in the kernel
[15:56] <trac> ah. so I just need to mount the raid then? the filesystem is 2 externals working together in a RAID 0
[15:57] <etronik> genii: installed lm-sensors and boot behaviour is exactly the same... :-/
[15:57] <l_h_o_u> what's wrong with the lxde panel ? whene i clik under about this computer, or help ubuntu i get system settings and the worst thing is only three parameter langages, update and printer
[15:57] <ipatrol> trac: first check if dmraid is installed
[15:58] <holstein> l_h_o_u: what are you looking for?
[15:58] <trac> not seeing dmraid
[15:58] <ipatrol> trac: sudo apt-get install dmraid
[15:59] <darkelfjuggalo> i received error: 'client could not connect D-Bus' whay does this error mean?
[15:59] <l_h_o_u> holstein: logicaly when i clik about this computer i don't get sytem settings ! i have just a small window with 3 parameters
[15:59] <ipatrol> I have to go in a minute or so
[15:59] <trac> okay, I will install
[16:00] <ipatrol> trac: look at http://goo.gl/aighys
[16:00] <holstein> l_h_o_u: you may prefer an arguably heavier environment.. something like xfce xubuntu.. lxpanel and most of lxde is designed to be light, not necessarily "full-featured".. i assure you, if you want some specific information, a volunteer here can help you locate it on your system..
[16:00] <ipatrol> I really don't have any more information than google does tbh
[16:00] <djadmin> hello
[16:01] <djadmin> world
[16:01] <djadmin> its dj admin
[16:01] <djadmin> im from estonia
[16:01] <holstein> djadmin: feel free and use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks
[16:02] <wols> djadmin: do you have a ubuntu related support problem?
[16:03] <ice9> what is the vsync?
[16:04] <l_h_o_u> holstein: i understand why people immigrate to linux mint. Thank you ;)
[16:04] <OerHeks> Vertical Sync (VSync) - An option which forces the game to match the framerate to the refresh rate
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> I can't the support community is much smaller.
[16:05] <etronik> genii: seen my last update concerning lm-sensors ?
[16:05] <fwankie_> how can I add borders to gnome-terminal in 14.04?
[16:05] <Fyodorovna> they are all cough cough rebels lol.
[16:05] <darkelfjuggalo> I cannot login to my ubuntu desktop attempts with incorrect password tell me it is incorrect...attempts with correct password say 'failed to staty session' I can login to console; I just did apt-get upgrade so everything is up to date... would this be a graphics driver or desktop environment issue?
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> fwankie_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/276847/running-gnome-terminal-with-no-window-border-on-startup-in-xubuntu-12-10
[16:07] <darkelfjuggalo> I am using 14.04 LTS
[16:07] <fwankie_> ActionParsnip: thanks! I'm asking for the opposite. gnome-terminal has no border by default in 14.04 on my machine and I'd like to add a one pixel white border.
[16:08] <ice9> how to enable vsync?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> fwankie_: I thought thats what that link did
[16:10] <genii> etronik: Then from here we move on to the kernel boot options. You've already tried the usual ones, it seems. The more obscure to try ( not all at the same time):  acpi=strict      acpi_enforce_resources=strict  irqfixup noirqdebug
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> fwankie_: if you use terminal a lot, I can recommend guake (or yakuake if you use kde)
[16:11] <genii> etronik: Yes, my work takes me away from the computer often. Please excuse lag.
[16:11] <etronik> genii: thanks for follow-up! should I try acpi=strict (without anything else) first ?
[16:12] <darkelfjuggalo> GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to D-BUD daemon: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $ DISPLAY for X11
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> fwankie_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1242115
[16:14] <mako_osc> alguien de habla hispana
[16:14] <holstein> !es
[16:16] <genii> etronik: Yes, that one first
[16:16] <manuga> que pecha de ente
[16:18] <genii> etronik: It may also help to know what computer this is. For instance, some normal Intel/AMD , or PPC, or Mac , or so on
[16:19] <ragdol1> Does anyone know how to get zsh man pages?
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> ragdol1: go to http://duckduckgo.com   and search for:    !man zsh
[16:19] <ragdol1> I want them offline
[16:20] <ragdol1> ActionParsnip: I have them already opened.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> !info zsh-doc
[16:21] <ragdol1> ubottu: doesn't seem to contain man pages. only html docs
[16:21] <ragdol1> ubottu: uggh.. :)
[16:22] <Vivekananda> hi daftykins around ?
[16:22] <daftykins> Vivekananda: yeah, lurking - just watching this xbox E3 event on TV though
[16:23] <daftykins> Vivekananda: #1 did you find out about IP forwarding on the server?
[16:23] <Vivekananda> oo ok. and a little bit of my news :).
[16:23] <Vivekananda> 1. I did not but  hold on  2.  I found that I can actually rdp into the server and to a box in there !!
[16:24] <daftykins> Vivekananda: what kind of services are you meant to be able to access inside the work LAN? what was the one you were testing to begin with?
[16:24] <Vivekananda> now the funny thing is after a VPN connection says 'okay'  I can neither ping nor traceroute to a any machines but I can rdp
[16:24] <daftykins> maybe it's just firewall'd to the eyeballs
[16:25] <Vivekananda> so I was going to ask you is there a way that I cannot ping or traceroute anything but I can still rdp. It would seem very very counterintuitive
[16:26] <vishal_>  my external usb ethernal is not working in Ubuntu 14.04LTS desktop
[16:26] <zerowaitstate> Vivekananda: ICMP may be blocked in the VPN acl
[16:27] <zerowaitstate> Vivekananda: ping and traceroute require ICMP to work
[16:27] <Fyodorovna> vishal_, Can you run lsusb and tell usa the description of the hardware?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> vishal_: do you mean Ethernet?
[16:27] <Fyodorovna> us*
[16:27] <Vivekananda> hmmm that is new to me
[16:28] <vishal_> ActionParsnip : Yes, USB Ethernet
[16:28] <Vivekananda> zerowaitstate: but still something to know/learn.  Btw can you guys tell me if reimmer is a light weight rdp or should i use the rdesktop cli for a light weight client
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> vishal_: if you run:   sudo lshw -C network        do you see the Ethernet chip?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> vishal_: does it show up in:   lsusb
[16:29] <ragdol1> ActionParsnip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh/+bug/1242108
[16:29] <ragdol1> achernya: Thanks anyway
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> ragdol1: oh, that'll do it
[16:29] <zerowaitstate> Vivekananda: I use remina at work and it is pretty good in 14.04. They have some bugs from 13.10 fixed
 : Yes, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:29] <vishal_> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:29] <vishal_> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:c05a Logitech, Inc. M90/M100 Optical Mouse
[16:29] <vishal_> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:c31c Logitech, Inc. Keyboard K120 for Business
[16:29] <vishal_> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 1a86:e092 QinHeng Electronics
[16:29] <vishal_> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:29] <unopaste> vishal_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[16:29] <daftykins> Vivekananda: i think it's remmina (or similar spelling) i've seen as an RDP client recently, i've seen it work but can't comment on lightweight vs. not
[16:30] <daftykins> Vivekananda: to be honest - what are you meant to be able to use the VPN for?
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> vishal_: sure its not usb to serial converter?
[16:30] <elichai2-> .'ב
[16:30] <elichai2-> ops
[16:30] <Vivekananda> daftykins: I have to set up programming environment for development of a webapp.
[16:31] <daftykins> Vivekananda: on your home system or one on the office LAN? 0o
[16:31] <Vivekananda> on a remote machine and that is accessible through VPN as expected .  Office ( remote ) LAN
 : i am a newbie but this is called USB Ethernet Adapter for connecting RJ Cable
[16:32] <vishal_> ActionParsnip : USB and a cable with slot of RJ Connector
[16:33] <daftykins> Vivekananda: well, if it works i don't see the need to run ping
[16:33] <vishal_> ActionParsnip : this is how it looks like : http://www.mega.pk/items_images/638404.jpg
[16:33] <beatnick> hello, how do i set libre office to get automatic updates for bugs?
[16:35] <vishal_> It shows in system log when i attach that device to my computer
[16:36] <Vivekananda> daftykins: yes I understand that too but at the same time I wanted to understand how to troubleshoot such issues. From whaat I knew, ping and tracing were fundamental operations that always help and I never thought they can be superceded and a higher level functionality be possible  but they would not be possible
[16:36] <EzeQL> hi, using compiz, is there any shortcut for opening Applications?
[16:36] <etronik> genii: I have tried both the boot option you have supplied - behaviour is the same ie. boot gets stuck at exactly the same place. this laptop is a Dell D620. TIA for further pointers
[16:36] <daftykins> Vivekananda: ok, i think you need to understand networking far better than you do now - and that is miles beyond the scope of a channel for support of an OS - try asking in #networking if they have any resources for teaching.
[16:37] <Vivekananda> daftykins: okay
[16:37] <causative> I'm almost finished upgrading:  (12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04)
[16:37] <causative> just the last step to go
[16:37] <genii> etronik: I'll return after lunch ( about 30-40 minutes)
[16:37] <causative> then I have to make all my programs work again...
[16:37] <causative> reinstall chrome
[16:37] <causative> who knows what else
[16:38] <etronik> genii: bon -appetit
[16:38] <causative> when I got this system I think it had 7.04 on it
[16:39]  * beatnick vs trendynick 
[16:40] <Fyodorovna> beatnick, any will come through a standard update.
[16:40] <sudormrf> Vivekananda, did you get it fixed?
[16:40] <g105b> Where is a list of all the indicator icons my app can use?
[16:40] <Fyodorovna> nothing to change beatnick
[16:40] <EzeQL> nobody?
[16:41] <sudormrf> !patience | EzeQL
[16:41] <beatnick> Fyodorovna, it looks like there's an update for this bug, but i didn't receive it https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77459
[16:41] <hsnmck> Hi, I have a lenovo thinkpad x201 tablet i7-2.0GHz with 4GB ram running Lubuntu. I'm upgrading my hardisk to an ssd and I'm wondering which version of Ubuntu should I install. Is it better to install Ubuntu 14.04 because it's the newest or I'm better installing the 12.04 because my computer is a bit old
[16:41] <Vivekananda> sudormrf: apparently the stupid connection allows rdp but no ping , traceroute and when I mentioned that I assumed ping/tr  to be fundamental operations but rdp to be a higher level one  then daftykins advised me to learn more about networking on a networking channel :). That is the gist of it
[16:42] <Fyodorovna> g105b, YOU can use any icon you want, right click it and click on it-properties, than click on the icon pictured there and it will open the icons on your computer. YOU can have any you want say a down load and navigate to where it is same methid.
[16:42] <sudormrf> Vivekananda, let me rephrase, were you able to get ip forwarding sorted?
[16:43] <g105b> Fyodorovna: I'm talking about unity panel indicators, not unity launcher.
[16:43] <daftykins> sudormrf: he's unfortunately continuing with offtopic conversation despite his task being resolved, we shouldn't encourage it really
[16:43] <sudormrf> daftykins, ok
[16:43] <daftykins> Vivekananda: sorry but the ubuntu support involvement of your query is over, you can go to #networking if you want more.
[16:44] <daftykins> that query has no place here
[16:44] <Fyodorovna> beatnick, Has to go through the ubuntu repos to get to you, and be considered as a bug by them. Be careful looking for bugs for libreoffice on the net, there is a chain of command so to speak.
[16:45] <beatnick> Fyodorovna, thank you!
[16:45] <Fyodorovna> g105b, It would help if you said what exact app, is it the HD's icons....etc
[16:45] <Vivekananda> daftykins: of course I agree. I am already on networking. btw is rdesktop lighter than reimmer ?
[16:45] <Fyodorovna> g105b, details and context rule here.
[16:46] <daftykins> Vivekananda: i already responded to that earlier.
[16:46] <Fyodorovna> beatnick, You're welcome!!
[16:46] <g105b> Fyodorovna: I'm building a simple app in python that requires a Unity panel indicator icon, and I wonder where the list of available icons is? There seems to be a few built into the OS; indicator-message, indicator-sound, etc.
[16:47] <wh0ami> when i try to install build-essential it says: build-essential : Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.4.3) but it is not going to be installed
[16:48] <hsnmck>  Hi, I have a lenovo thinkpad x201 tablet i7-2.0GHz with 4GB ram running Lubuntu. I'm upgrading my hardisk to an ssd and I'm wondering which
[16:48] <hsnmck>                 version of Ubuntu should I install. Is it better to install Ubuntu 14.04 because it's the newest or I'm better installing the 12.04 because
[16:48] <hsnmck>                 my computer is a bit old
[16:48] <hsnmck> thanks
[16:49] <etronik> where can I download version 13.10 of ubuntu - I have misplaced my installation dvd
[16:49] <mexi_d3> etronik: Ubuntu.com
[16:49] <jhutchins> hsnmck: There is very seldom any regression in linux, once something is fixed it usually stays fixed.
[16:50] <etronik> mexi_d3: can't find link for older versions
[16:50] <mexi_d3> etronik: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/
[16:50] <etronik> got it thanks
[16:50] <Fyodorovna> g105b, Not sure if there is any specifics about that left panel icons, my comment was really on a app you had put on the desktop and wanted to change the icon.
[16:50] <jhutchins> hsnmck: That said, 14.04 is fairly new and has some rough edges, but I would go ahead with it, as anything you have to mess with will be supported for years to come.
[16:50] <sydney> hsnmck: 12.04 and 14.04 have very simmilar  specs.
[16:50] <mexi_d3> etronik: 14.04 works pretty well actually.
[16:50] <sydney> hsnmck: just go with 14.04 ;)
[16:51] <etronik> possibly but I need 13.10 for specific recovery purposes
[16:51] <jhutchins> hsnmck: One reason to stay up-to-date on a community supported product is that the community tends to forget how to solve upgrade issues as time passes.
[16:51] <hsnmck> jhutchins, sydney, ok thanks, I'll give it a try, I was worrying it will be slower than the 12.04 cause my pc is a bit old
[16:52] <jhutchins> hsnmck: No, it shouldn't be.  We are not in a phase of adding features to the kernel that burden an older system.
[16:52] <sydney> hsnmck: What are your ps specs?
[16:53] <sydney> PC*
[16:53] <hsnmck> sydney, it's a lenovo x201 tablet. i7 2.0 ghz with 4.0 ram
[16:53] <fwankie_> trying to add a 1px white border to gnome-terminal window (non tabbed), tweaking /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/apps/gnome-terminal.css ?
[16:53] <sydney> hsnmck: Oh,You are fie. Ubuntu will run great on that!!
[16:53] <sydney> fine*
[16:53] <hsnmck> sydney, great thanks
[16:53] <fwankie_> adding border-width & border-color not working
[16:54] <sydney> hsnmck: I have 1gig of ram. ;)
[16:56] <g105b> I have 256mb
[16:57] <sydney> g105b: lubuntu?
[16:57] <g105b> sydney: yup!
[16:58] <mexi_d3> ubuntu will run in 1 GB, but Lubuntu might better if you want to multi-task
[16:58] <g105b> can't go wrong with lubuntu with limited ram.
[16:58] <sydney> mexi_d3: well,i am running gnome fallback. ;)
[16:59] <sydney> g105b: lubuntu is great!!
[16:59] <mexi_d3> sydney: I have no idea what footprint gnome-fallback  has.
[16:59] <sydney> mexi_d3: It is very lightweight. I like it!!
[17:00] <sydney> mexi_d3: and very customizable :D
[17:03] <yann_> hello! will there be desktop/laptop hardware certified for Ubuntu 14.4?
[17:03] <fwankie_> adding border to gnome-terminal window (not tab)?
[17:06] <genii> etronik: Back. Did you manage to get anywhere with it yet?
[17:08] <etronik> genii: hi again, no not really
[17:09] <zergut_> notebook has separate lighting adjust buttons but it doesnt work in ubuntu
[17:10] <zergut_> is there special dirver for it?
[17:10] <genii> etronik: When you made the move to the new system, you just unplugged hd and replugged it into the new one? Or some other method
[17:11] <hotfries> ****
[17:12] <etronik> genii: basically it was that yeah (I think changing the screen assembly does not count), oh and : old system had 4 Gb RAm but only saw 3 (chipset limitation), and so I also the new one to 3 Gb RAM
[17:14] <genii> Hm.
[17:15] <chrstphrchvz> zergut_: do you mean that the backlight keys aren't just function keys or arrow keys? What model is your computer?
[17:16] <genii> etronik: Does it actually give some error when it starts with acpid, or it just sits there frozen?
[17:16] <genii> meh, afk, work
[17:17] <etronik> well it I don't see any error msg, just sits there... but theres that quiet boot option on grub thingy
[17:17] <etronik> should I try to remove that quet option and see ?
[17:18] <chrstphrchvz> yann_: I don't think Canonical has published the list yet, but here's a post assuring there will be certified hardware: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/04/16/ubuntu-14-04-desktop-trusted-os-for-consumers-and-business/
[17:18] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz: hp-15 d050sr
[17:19] <yann_> I guess hardware supported by 12.4 should support 14.4 too :)
[17:20] <mexi_d3> yann_: Unless 14.04 dropped it for being too old.
[17:20] <chrstphrchvz> yann_: that's what I would assume, but we have seen hardware "break" on newer kernels, etc. 12.04 certified shouldn't be that old.
[17:21] <chrstphrchvz> zergut_: It looks like the backlight keys are overlaid on the function keys, so in Linux it might work as long as you hold down the Fn key (next to left Ctrl)
[17:22] <genii> etronik: Yes, may want to try without the "quiet". It also occurs to me that possible the default video output is to the external connector.
[17:22] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz:  no, it doest work
[17:23] <etronik> genii: I did connect an external monitor to it ust in case... nothing happens on that side... but will ty without the quiet
[17:24] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz: that's why i thought it need speicial driver
[17:25] <gilligan_> hi
[17:27] <gilligan_> i'm having some trouble setting up sound over HDMI on my macbook air 6.2 -- Sound works out of the box, but not over HDMI. I can get it to work if I load snd-hda-intel with "probe_mask=-1,0x6" as suggested here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Maverick#Sound_over_HDMI) - but then I get ONLY sound over HDMI and i can't select a different output
[17:27] <gilligan_> Does anyone have any ideas on that ?
[17:28] <chrstphrchvz> zergut_: could you paste the output of "sudo lshw", I'm not sure what chipset that model has.
[17:29] <watermark> quick lazy question.  Does anyone know what would happen when you try add a partition to a dmraid that is smaller or larger than others already in the array?
[17:31] <penncil> hello
[17:31] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz: okay, one second pls
[17:31] <penncil> how do I find out my Architecture?
[17:31] <penncil> trying to download ubuntu 14.
[17:32] <jhutchins> penncil: Do you know what processor you have?
[17:32] <Pessimist> penncil, uname -a
[17:32] <genii> Pessimist: Perhaps they're on another OS ;)
[17:32] <jhutchins> penncil: Do you have an Operating System installed now?
[17:33] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz: how to determine what kind of chipset it got?
[17:33] <penncil> yes  3.2.0-64-generic #97-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 4 22:03:48 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[17:33] <etronik> genii: booting without "quiet" option just shows a ton of boot messages, I did not see any gross error, then a very brief 13.10 GUI splash screen (the one with 4 dots) then the screen clears and the cursor just sits there in the top left corner of the screen.. only when I press the ON/OFF button, I see the "acpid exiting" stuff
[17:34] <Pessimist> genii, since they don't tell us and this is a linux channel
[17:35] <etronik> genii: so now, I'm writing a 13.1 CD again, and will try some sort of repair install ou re-install on top of existing system... hopefully my /home will NOT get zapped
[17:35] <penncil> ok so I guess i have i386
[17:35] <jhutchins> penncil: Not necessarily.  You could have 386 installed on an amd64 chipset.
[17:36] <jhutchins> penncil: In fact, unless the system is ancient, chances are it's amd64.
[17:36] <penncil> i686 is listed alsso
[17:36] <genii> etronik: Looks like that model had variations of video card, some had Intel, some had NVidia. Did you have some stuff hard-coded in xorg.conf or such for a specific card?
[17:37] <etronik> yes, but both systems have nVIDIA - I have checked in the BIOS
[17:37] <etronik> genii: and yes xorg for sure must've have something hardcoded...
[17:37] <chrstphrchvz> zergut_: Well, it looks like it uses Intel HD Graphics, which there is currently a workaround for here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight#Intel_HD_Graphic_Controllers
[17:38] <penncil> its a dell, dual boot.  inspiron 1545.
[17:38] <genii> etronik: Since it is NVidia.... have you tried the classic nomodeset boot option?
[17:38] <jhutchins> penncil: cat /proc/cpuinfo and check the Model Name.
[17:39] <etronik> genii: no not yet... I just append it to the linux line in grub ?
[17:39] <wget> Hi guys. I'm a developer, ArchLinux user and I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a UEFI laptop for my neighbor. He was running Arch but had problem with VGA/HDMI output.
[17:39] <wget> I'm experiencing a problem after I checked the checkbox to install all updates during install and, I ckicked on Continue, nothing happens. I assume the next step is to choose the partitions.
[17:39] <wget> Anyone has ever experienced such issue?
[17:39] <genii> etronik: Yup
[17:39] <etronik> will try
[17:40] <TJ-> wget: Did you use "Try Ubuntu" then launch the installer from the desktop, or chose "Install Ubuntu" immediately?
[17:40] <penncil> I don't see anything useful.
[17:41] <wget> TJ-: I tried both methods.
[17:41] <zergut_> chrstphrchvz: thank you very much
[17:41] <TJ-> wget: Your description suggests that the system got stuck looking for network connections... that being the case, doing "Try Ubuntu" ought to allow to ensure it has full network connectivity.
[17:41] <etronik> genii: the nomodeset option yields the same result...
[17:41] <jhutchins> penncil: Model Name?  It might not say, but we can look it up.
[17:41] <jhutchins> penncil: You have 32b installed now.
[17:42] <TJ-> wget: "install updates" means it'll look for and fetch any package updates since the ISO image was createdc
[17:42] <wget> TJ-: I have a network connection (usb to ethernet). I checked, ping ok, and dns too.
[17:42] <PCworker> How do I tell the GRUB to "see" my new ext4 Zorin Ubuntu installation? I was running 2 hard drives, 1 with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and the other with Windows XP. Now I have Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on the 1st drive and Zorin on the 2nd drive.
[17:42] <penncil> model name :  pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @2.20ghz
[17:43] <jhutchins> penncil: 64b capable: http://ark.intel.com/products/40739/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T4400-1M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB-Socket-P
[17:44] <genii> etronik: When it stops, are you able to still do ctrl-alt-F1 or just ctrl-F1 to obtain a console login?
[17:44] <penncil> My architecture is ?
[17:44] <TJ-> wget: OK, then I'd recommend installing via the "Try Ubuntu" method and starting an X terminal (Alt+Ctrl+T) so you can monitor the installer from a shell, then click the "Install Ubuntu" icon... when/if it gets stuck, you can do diagnosis from the shell, like checking the active processes, looking at the installer logs ("/var/log/*") etc.
[17:44] <etronik> genii: no idea
[17:45] <jhutchins> penncil: You have 32b installed on a 64b processor.  You may use either.
[17:45] <etronik> genii: nope"!
[17:45] <zergut_> how to create a document in /usr/ directory?
[17:45] <penncil> k
[17:45] <penncil> ty
[17:46] <wget> TJ-: Unchecking both checkboxes does not change anything. Do you know what is the CLI name of the installer.
[17:46] <TJ-> wget: "ubiquity"
[17:46] <jhutchins> penncil: Note that you want amd64 for 64b, not x86_64.  (That's Xeons only.)
[17:46] <wget> ok
[17:46] <penncil> ty
[17:46] <jhutchins> zergut_: Use sudo.
[17:47] <genii> etronik: Sorry, the 2-key combo is alt-F1, 3-key (usually from a graphics screen) is the ctrl-alt-F1
[17:47] <zergut_> jhutchins: thank you but what kind of command creates a file?
[17:47] <etronik> genii: nope! none combination works
[17:48] <daftykins> zergut_: use a text editor, e.g. "sudo nano /usr/file/here"
[17:48] <dex__> hmm
[17:48] <zergut_> daftykins: thank you
[17:48] <genii> etronik: Could you try also using F2 through F6 keys in the same combination, please?
[17:48] <daftykins> zergut_: however are you sure about what you're doing? manual file creation within /usr is a little suspicious
[17:48] <etronik> genii: I did - same thing
[17:49] <zergut_> daftykins: i suppose so ;)
[17:49] <PCworker> Please Help: How do I tell the GRUB to "see" my new ext4 Zorin Ubuntu installation? I was running 2 hard drives, 1 with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and the other with Windows XP. Now I have Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on the 1st drive and Zorin on the 2nd drive.
[17:49] <genii> etronik: Ah, OK. I'm out of immediate ideas right now.
[17:49] <etronik> genii: thanks for all your time ! :-)
[17:49] <wget> TJ-: Nothing in the console log neither. (tried with the -d flag)
[17:49] <daftykins> PCworker: sorry we don't support zorin here
[17:50] <TJ-> wget: I *think* ubiquity writes to a log-file/directory under "/var/log/", possibly "/var/log/ubiquity/" or "/var/log/install" or similar
 if I restart Ubuntu 14.04, the desktop loads and says something about a system problem?
 I gotta press cancel for it to do anything -.-
[17:52] <PCworker> daftykins: I understand that. I use ubuntu primarily. I test other OSes for customers.
[17:52] <Fyodorovna> PCworker, sudo update-grub however it has to be in the OS you see at the top of the grub menu with no mods having been made to the menus order
[17:52] <daftykins> Armag3dd0n24: an exact error message would be great
[17:52] <Armag3dd0n24> brb restart and i'll take ascreenshot
[17:54] <Armag3dd0n24> okay, my bad. removed wine, restarted and it's gone! thanks anyway. :)
[17:55] <PCworker> Fyodorovna: Thanks, I am still learning to use command-line Linux. And Ubuntu is my OS of choice. I just test other OSes for my customers.
[17:55] <Fyodorovna> PCworker, Cool, we all learn stuff somewhere at sometime. ;)
[17:56] <PCworker> thanks again
[17:58] <meek_geek> Can I use my extra ram to optimize my system ?
[17:59] <kirankumar> sir i want help for vbox
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Well then join #vbox
[18:00] <meek_geek> kirankumar, say
[18:03] <psycho_acoustiq> hello
[18:03] <meek_geek> hi
[18:04] <psycho_acoustiq> ubuntu server installer isn't detecting my PATA drives
[18:04] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: Is any other OS detecting them?
[18:04] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, yeah Ubuntu Server
[18:04] <daftykins> wat.
[18:05] <daftykins> either it is or it isn't? :)
[18:05] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, they are there, the installer just doesn't see them for some reason
[18:05] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: What version of the Ubuntu server installer? Could these drives have at any time been part of a FakeRAID array?
[18:05] <psycho_acoustiq> two are SATA and another two (including the root drive) are on a promise fast track controller
[18:06] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, I've tried both 12.04 and 14.04
[18:06] <daftykins> psycho_acoustiq: sounds like you need something installed/loaded for said controller
[18:06] <psycho_acoustiq> The installer environmen, kernel etc detects them just find
[18:07] <psycho_acoustiq> I can pop over to a shell and mount them, fdisk, etc
[18:07] <daftykins> are they setup as some kind of RAID or just independant?
[18:07] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: I asked two questiosns. You only answered one of them.
[18:08] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, three of them, one PATA and two SATA are a software RAID
[18:08] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, another PATA is the intended installation target
[18:09] <wget> Found the bug. Ubuntu doesn't support already partitioned GPT disks.
[18:09] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: mdraid?
[18:09] <wget> os-prber was hanging.
[18:09] <wget> *os-prober
[18:09] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, the partitioning part of the ubuntu installer only shows the RAID device and the two SATA drives
[18:10] <Jordan_U> wget: Ubuntu certainly does support already partitioned GPT disks, so there's something more going on here to trigger this bug. Please file a bug report.
[18:10] <undersound> Anyone know how to restore GDM without having a network connection?
[18:11] <daftykins> undersound: what happened to it?
[18:11] <undersound> i was doing an update to the system, think I might have interrupted that (not sure though). restarted system and then login screen freezed
[18:12] <undersound> daftykins: i was doing an update to the system, think I might have interrupted that (not sure though). restarted system and then login screen freezed
[18:13] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: Are these "Software RAID arrays" using mdraid?
[18:13] <daftykins> undersound: ok, try hitting a TTY with ctrl+alt+f1 and running "sudo apt-get -f install" after logging in
[18:13] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, yes mdraid
[18:13] <nicomachus> I'm having some issues with SUPER slow UI in VB, running 14.04. I tried enabling 3D Acceleration, which just caused Ubuntu to crash upon login.
[18:14] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: Is it possible that at any point in the past these drives were part of a FakeRAID (dmraid) array?
[18:14] <Bobster884> Hey everbody. Im using ubuntu 12.04 lts. I was downloading something and forgot that my HDD was full, the desktop started lagging and now i can not log in after restarting. I deleted about 1GB of stuff with the terminal, but after typing in my password, the desktop wont load. Any tips?
[18:14] <genii> VB?
[18:14] <daftykins> virtualbox i believe, genii
[18:14] <undersound> daftykins: ok done 0 upgraded 0 newly installed etc etc
[18:15] <daftykins> undersound: right, nothing left from running updates - you'd need a functioning internet connection right now for my next idea - is that not available?
[18:15] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, Was the delete done in root, there is a trash in home and root.
[18:15] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, Nah, always mdraid, this is an existing 12.04LTS server setup, but what changed is the PATA disks got moved to an add-on controller instead of the onboard since I last ran an installer
[18:15] <arsam> PLease test this little app: https://github.com/alireza-amirsamimi/persiandm and let me now if there is bug or improvement.
[18:16] <undersound> daftykins: no it's not
[18:16] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, Are you sure you actually deleted and not just moved the data?
[18:16] <daftykins> undersound: how come?
[18:16] <arsam> there's some screenshot here: http://amirsamimi.mihanblog.com/post/11
[18:16] <Bobster884> I used rm
[18:16] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, the OS detected them seamlessly, it's just now running the installer the PATA disk don't show up
[18:16] <Bobster884> and logged in before with my account that is root
[18:16] <daftykins> arsam: that is inappropriate for this channel
[18:17] <Bobster884> when i used ls after rm, the file was gone
[18:17] <Bobster884> did i maybe move it to the trash?
[18:17] <undersound> daftykins: i'm not sure
[18:17] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, I was hoping there was an easy/well known work-around
[18:17] <helo_n> Hello, I am trying to migrate my OS to a new drive. is there any noob friendly tool for doing that?
[18:18] <undersound> daftykins: i tried to add a wireless connection in /etc/network/interfaces but no luck
[18:18] <daftykins> undersound: is it a laptop you could plug into a router direct temporarily?
[18:19] <Asterisks> helo_n: do you want to migrate everything or just a single partition?
[18:19] <undersound> daftykins: yes I can use ethernet cable, sec
[18:20] <Bobster884> Fyodorovna, i used the "rm" after logging in with my root account. After using "ls" the files were gone from that directory
[18:21] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: Just to be sure, please pastebin the output of "sudo dmraid -r".
[18:21] <helo_n> well, there is only a single partition on this drive and it is the drive I boot to.. so yes, migrating everything
[18:21] <helo_n> Asterisks
[18:21] <Asterisks> helo_n: desktop?
[18:22] <Asterisks> helo_n: Pop both drives in, clone the drive with http://clonezilla.org/
[18:22] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, hope that is adequate.
[18:23] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, the machine's not bootable right now w/o the installer, but an "md127" device is available in the partitioner
[18:23] <undersound> daftykins: ok ethernet is connected
[18:24] <psycho_acoustiq> or something like that
[18:24] <daftykins> undersound: i'd run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:25] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: I think you have stale mdraid metadata on these drives (nothing to do with them being PATA, or connected to a new controller). You should remove this stale metadata with "sudo dmraid -x".
[18:26] <Bobster884> Well, what do i do now? When i login with my normal user, the background and the cursor will load, but nothing else. If i use the guest account, the screen will be completely black
[18:26] <Bobster884> 1GB free space conofirmed with "df"
[18:26] <helo_n> Thanks Asterisks, do I need to do this from a livecd?
[18:26] <undersound> daftykins:i am getting Err mirror and failed to fetch errors
[18:27] <daftykins> undersound: is the wired connection working properly?
[18:27] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, okay I'll test it
[18:27] <undersound> daftykin: how can I check properly?
[18:27] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, I would reload the graphic drivers if you loaded them originally, maybe run a rest on unity and compiz if unity, what was the download?
[18:28] <Fyodorovna> reset*
[18:28] <daftykins> undersound: "nslookup google.com" and "ping google.com" noting errors
[18:28] <GuestUser123> does ubuntu suport efi
[18:28] <daftykins> GuestUser123: yes
[18:28] <Jordan_U> GuestUser123: Yes.
[18:28] <GuestUser123> wat about non efi
[18:28] <undersound> daftykins: unknown host
[18:28] <GuestUser123> coz i duno wat i have
[18:28] <GuestUser123> this hp comp is weird
[18:28] <daftykins> undersound: sudo dhclient eth0
[18:28] <ozbrk> hi guys I extremly need a suggestion about all linux distros
[18:28] <Jordan_U> GuestUser123: Yes, Ubuntu supports BIOS (and some other more obscure firmware types) as well.
[18:29] <Jordan_U> ozbrk: Sounds like you have a question for ##linux then.
[18:29] <Fyodorovna> ozbrk, ##linux is yoor help probably than
[18:29] <GuestUser123> if i make usb stick will it know which i have
[18:29] <Fyodorovna> GuestUser123, easy to discover start there
[18:29] <Bobster884> How do i do reload the graphic drivers? its some intel onboard and im using unity. The download was a .rar file
[18:29] <daftykins> !uefi | GuestUser123 have a read here to learn more
[18:30] <ozbrk> strange
[18:30] <ozbrk> I can't send messages to the ##linux channel
[18:30] <undersound> daftykins: DHCPOFFER 192.168.1.106
[18:30] <Jordan_U> !register | ozbrk
[18:31] <undersound> daftykins: and some insecure lines
[18:31] <daftykins> undersound: repeat the above nslookup and ping commands to check
[18:31] <Jordan_U> Bobster884: What download was a .rar file? You should never, ever, *ever*, install a GNU/Linux driver from a .rar file. No sane developer distributes drivers that way.
[18:31] <undersound> daftykins: YES!
[18:32] <daftykins> undersound: good stuff, back to "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then
[18:33] <Bobster884> Okay, to avoid confusing, i will start from the beginning. I was downloading a normal file in firefox (zipped movie). However, before the download finished, i ran out of HDD space. The desktop froze and i had to restart. Since the restart, i can not login in anymore. I already tried to free some space with the terminal (about 1GB).
[18:33] <helo_n> Thanks Asterisks, do I need to do this from a livecd?
[18:33] <undersound> daftykins: done
[18:33] <daftykins> undersound: nothing new went on?
[18:34] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, AS a varible check have you tried a nomodeset or safeX boot from recovery?
[18:34] <undersound> daftykins: 3 upgraded, libxml12 libxml-utils pythonlibxml-12
[18:34] <Bobster884> Fyodorovna, im sorry, im a beginner. Took me about an hour to delete some files with the terminals. How do i do that?
[18:35] <Fyodorovna> !nomodeset | Bobster884
[18:36] <daftykins> undersound: would you normally have a password at login?
[18:36] <undersound> daftykins: yes
[18:36] <Bobster884> Thanks for the help, i will try that. Be right back
[18:36] <daftykins> undersound: sorry just got called, back shortly
[18:37] <undersound> daftykins: np
[18:37] <ivan878687869687> hola?
[18:39] <iceburnt> I've install flashplugin-installer but the firefox said : you need to have adobe flash player to view this content. why this always happen?
[18:40] <tk1> hi folks, i experienced the password ring errors since Ubunto one has stopped, can i delete this password ring without breaking my ubuntu 12.04 ?
[18:40] <Exagone313> iceburnt: try to remove and install
[18:40] <Exagone313> in console
[18:40] <Exagone313> it should installer flashplugin after installing the package
[18:41] <Talez> hey, i'm kinda new to linux and trying the new ubuntu 14. i created a bootable USB to try it out & maybe install if i like it. problem right now: after about ~2 minutes after booting from the USB, my screen goes black, graphics card cooler gets very loud and nothing happens anymore. having a AMD 6870, tried to switch drivers via "additional drivers" but that doesn't solve the problem.
[18:42] <elricsfate> Greetings
[18:42] <sydney> Does anyone know if Ez Cap will work on ubuntu? Has anyone tried it?
[18:42] <elricsfate> Does anyone know how to make modifications to Byobu's keyset?
[18:42] <elricsfate> And does anyone have Byobu working fully with Putty or Kitty?
[18:42] <elricsfate> I've tried #byobu for over a day with no luck.
[18:43] <Bobster884> After typing in the password, the login GUI will go away, the background will stay and i can move the cursor, but nothing more loads
[18:43] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: maybe in ~/.byobu/keybindings ?
[18:43] <Pici> elricsfate: Putty shouldn't be interfering with your use of byobu.
[18:43] <elricsfate> Pici, Well, something is and it's widely reported as well
[18:44] <elricsfate> Pici, There are a number of issues which I have fixed, such as UTF8 not being set in putty and the incorrect TERM being sent
[18:44] <sydney> Bobster884: Can you open the terminal,or right click?
[18:44] <daftykins> undersound: ok back
[18:44] <elricsfate> Pici, Previous to this I was unable to use the f keys at all
[18:44] <undersound> daftykins: ok
[18:44] <elricsfate> Now I can use the F keys but not along with anything such as shift, ctrl, or alt.
[18:45] <elricsfate> Either nothing happens, it just outputs a letter, or the same thing as pressing the button with no modifiers happens.
[18:45] <Fyodorovna> Bobster884, I think you may be starting to realize the way you have run this computer was not best. If you had a clone, you would be set, filling the HD is another mistake.
[18:45] <Bobster884> sydney: rightclick no, termianl via ctrl alt f1 yes
[18:45] <elricsfate> So for example I can't use ctrl+shift+f3 or f4 to move windows.
[18:45] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: what is your terminal emulation set to in putty?
[18:45] <daftykins> undersound: can you run "ls -a ~/" to see if there's a file called .Xauthority or similar?
[18:45] <Pici> elricsfate: /36
[18:45] <Pici> er, sorry.
[18:45] <tk1> anybody about login keyring popup ?
[18:45] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Currently set to "putty-256color"
[18:46] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Within byoby (tmux backend) it's set to screen-256color
[18:46] <elricsfate> I've also attempted switching different keyboard/function key types. No dice.
[18:46] <iceburnt> what should I do with this? :unable to lock with the directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another using it?
[18:46] <sydney> Bobster884: Not ctrl+alt+T?
[18:46] <undersound> daftykins: no .Xauthority file. .xine xsession-errors
[18:46] <holstein> iceburnt: see if another program is using it, and close it if so
[18:47] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, I got it, but it wasn't the dmraid command, the lone PATA disk was showing up a "promist fast track RAID member" because in order to get even single disks to boot from that particular controller, you have to make them part of an array
[18:47] <daftykins> undersound: hmm see if there's anything gdm related in xsession-errors
[18:47] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Also, when making changes to that file, do I simply put my definitions under the source?
[18:47] <daftykins> psycho_acoustiq: i nearly suggested that, you often have to configure single disks as JBOD
[18:47] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, I'm not sure if I first need to unbind any default shortcuts
[18:47] <Bobster884> sydney: ctrl + alt + t doesnt work, only ctr + alt + f1
[18:47] <SCHAAP137> Rik Mayall died: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27770266
[18:47] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, so I deleted the array and it showed up fine, and will just have to re-enable in the BIOS after to boot again
[18:48] <Juan_Pablo> Hola
[18:48] <daftykins> SCHAAP137: yes, but that is not appropriate for this channel, did you /amsg? please don't in future
[18:48] <sydney> Bobster884: Ok. what DE are you using?
[18:48] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, it's an esoteric setup
[18:48] <Bobster884> sydney: Im sorry, DE?
[18:48] <sydney> Bobster884: desktop enviroment? Unity,gnome,lxde,xfce,ect
[18:49] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, you have to define a mirrored array with one disk that runs in degraded mode
[18:49] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, and boot from that
[18:49] <Bobster884> sydney: the unity that was delivered with 12.04
[18:49] <sydney> Bobster884: Ok :D
[18:49] <daftykins> psycho_acoustiq: the only thing you mentioned earlier was installing to one disk, nothing about degraded arrays :)
[18:49] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, I forgot
[18:50] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: try changing it to VT100
[18:50] <undersound> daftykins: I am seeing some Gtk-CRITICAL messages and gnome-screensaver freedesktop.org errors
[18:50] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, The TERM?
[18:50] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: in Putty
[18:50] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, it didn't make sense because the devices were all showing up fine
[18:50] <undersound> daftykins: and gnome-session Warning unable to stop system
[18:50] <sydney> Bobster884: if  you log out,and try to log in as Unity 2d,does that work?
[18:50] <psycho_acoustiq> daftykins, it was just the installer
[18:50] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Yes, I understand. Do you want me to change the TERM or the keytype?
[18:50] <Bobster884> sydney: already tried, it doesnt - same problem
[18:51] <etronik> getting sick of this
[18:51] <etronik> now it seems that's not possible to install 13.10 due to ubuntu one ? it gets stuck in that ubuntu one sign-on step... :-(
[18:51] <etronik> goodness grief...
[18:51] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: TERM
[18:51] <sydney> Bobster884: do you want to use a different DE,or do you just want to stick with unity?
[18:52] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Completely breaks it
[18:52] <zerowaitstate> elricsfate: alternatively, you can try "linux" instead of vt100
[18:52] <Juan_Pablo> Hola [DS]Matej
[18:52] <elricsfate> Won't even launch tmux/byobu
[18:52] <daftykins> etronik: 13.10 only has a month left anyway so perhaps it's fruitless to install it.
[18:52] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, daftykins, thanks for the help
[18:52] <pavlos> !es| Juan_Pablo
[18:52] <daftykins> undersound: hmm, ok well it might be worth trying again now. can you tell me what version this is?
[18:52] <Bobster884> sydney: i was happy with gnome before, but i do not care at all. i just need to access my data
[18:52] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: You said that you were only using mdraid. So why is there anything you want to re-enable in your BIOS?
[18:53] <etronik> daftykins: I'm sorry if I sound harsh... but if you've been skimming through the channel you'd know I'm trying to revive an existing 13.10 system and I've been a whole frekin day at this
[18:53] <sydney> Bobster884: Gnome classic,or gnome 3?
[18:53] <undersound> daftykins: reinstalling GDM you mean? Version of GDM?
[18:53] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, it's the promise fast track controller ... in order to get a drive to boot from it, you HAVE to set it up as an awway even as a single disk
[18:53] <daftykins> undersound: no, OS version e.g. xubuntu 13.10 or whichever :)
[18:53] <psycho_acoustiq> array*
[18:54] <elricsfate> zerowaitstate, Tried both
[18:54] <undersound> daftykins: ah ok : 10.04 LTS
[18:54] <daftykins> etronik: sorry
[18:54] <etronik> And don't get me strarted on on... "just upgrade to 14.04" I know how risky those ops are...
[18:54] <Bobster884> sydney: the one being used in ubuntu 10.10 *blush
[18:54] <daftykins> etronik: i wouldn't say upgrade i'd just say backup and format :D
[18:54] <Jordan_U> psycho_acoustiq: I expect that you're wrong about that, and if you are right then then your BIOS is bad, and it should feel bad :)
[18:54] <sydney> Bobster884: ok,i htink that is gnome fallback,let me check.
[18:54] <elricsfate> Anymore input on the issues with Byobu?
[18:54] <etronik> daftykins: and how the hell I'm gonna backup if I can't boot the freakin thing ?
[18:54] <daftykins> undersound: wow, ok 10.04 desktop is actually no longer supported
[18:55] <daftykins> etronik: live session
[18:55] <psycho_acoustiq> Jordan_U, the promise controller has it'w own BIOS, independent of the motherboard's BIOS
[18:55] <etronik> oh brother
[18:55] <daftykins> etronik: or are live session boots failing too? just say the word and i'll shut up if i'm coming in too late on this one :) I don't mean to frustrate
[18:55] <undersound> daftykins: you mean the update broke it?  It worked fine before the update.
[18:56] <daftykins> undersound: no, hang on check this out...
[18:56] <daftykins> !10.04 | undersound
[18:56] <etronik> daftykins: nah... I should be the one moving away... I'm really already pretty pissed off at this...  wasted more than a whole day on this
[18:56] <daftykins> undersound: desktop 10.04 hasn't been supported since may 9th last year ^
[18:57] <Asterisks> I still have lucid on a secondary harddrive that's in my computer but unplugged
[18:57] <undersound> daftykins: ah ok :) but how do i get some kind of display manager back :)
[18:57] <Asterisks> lucid was the release I used for 6 months as my main desktop OS
[18:57] <daftykins> Asterisks: that's lovely but this channel is not for general discussion
[18:58] <iceburnt> why my ubuntu didn't catch the wifi signal? what should I do?
[18:58] <daftykins> undersound: give it a reboot now, but unsupported means that we can't really help with it anymore as it's such an old version
[18:58] <sydney> Bobster884: Ok,this should install gnome fallback. sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[18:59] <iceburnt> why my ubuntu didn't catch the wifi signal? what should I do?
[18:59] <pavlos> iceburnt, which ubuntu release? go to system settings device drivers, you may habe to enable a driver
[18:59] <iceburnt> 14.04
[19:00] <iceburnt> should I install wifi radar ? pavlos
[19:00] <undersound> daftykins: ok rebooted and getting the "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode" again
[19:00] <pavlos> iceburnt, no
[19:01] <undersound> daftykins: CTRL-ALT-F1 and then sudo apt-get install gdm i guess?
[19:01] <pavlos> iceburnt, type lspci on a terminal, give me the line that shows the wireless chip
[19:01] <Jordan_U> undersound: Great. You should be able to comfortably upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 from this point.
[19:01] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | undersound
[19:02] <sydney> Bobster884: gnome fallback is also called gnome classic. :D
[19:02] <gdt> Anybody help me with energysaving
[19:03] <daftykins> undersound: you wouldn't have seen a login screen without gdm - but i'm afraid as i mentioned we cannot help such an old version, you should really look into backing up your data and installing a newer release
[19:03] <sydney> Bobster884: I like gnome fallback(aka gnome clasic) ;)
[19:03] <iceburnt> Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[19:03] <iceburnt> pavlov
[19:04] <pavlos> iceburnt, go to System settings | device Driver Is there an option to install a broadcom driver?
[19:04] <genii> Bleh, Broadcom
[19:05] <andlabs> Hi. I'm running Ubuntu GNOME in a kvm with host Kubuntu. Programs that use client-side decorations (such as GNOME Terminal) appear horizontally squished, and mouse events appear int he wrong spot. How do I fix this? Thanks.
[19:05] <Bobster884> sydney: Installed gnome now, when i select it at login, i get the same problem. login gui disappears, mouse cursor and background stays
[19:06] <sydney> Bobster884: ok,then thats not the problem. :(
[19:08] <Bobster884> sydney: I think i will buy a new HDD tomorrow. Can you tell me a live version that is pretty leightwight, but supports my tv as screen from beginning via VGA (the laptop display is broken) and also supports my HDD (not sure if FAT or NTFS) so i can transfer my data?
[19:09] <sydney> Bobster884: You could try lubuntu or xfce. lubuntu does have a wifi bug at the moment though. :(
[19:10] <Bobster884> sydney: Alright. Big thanks for your help!
[19:10] <sydney> Bobster884: Sorry for not being more helpfull. ;(
[19:12] <sydney> ugg,i meant xubuntu.
[19:12] <undersound> daftykins: ok 12.04 it is then, one last question, with my normal user account I couldn't log in via the UI but with root I could. you have any clue what coudl cause this?
[19:13] <sydney> Does anyone here live in Michigan? I know we have people from all over the world here. ;)
[19:13] <daftykins> undersound: you shouldn't have a root password :) i don't know, but diagnosing an issue with an OS you'll wipe and reinstall newer seems a little time wasting :)
[19:13] <Fyodorovna> sydney, Not appropriate here to ask that.
[19:14] <daftykins> sydney: this channel is for support alone, feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic to make friends
[19:14] <sydney> Fyodorovna: I was afraid of that. :(
[19:14] <Fyodorovna> sydney, Find the local ubuntu group
[19:14] <sydney> Fyodorovna: Whats the local ubuntu group?
[19:15] <undersound> daftykins: ok :) thanks for your time and help, at least I have a network connection again so I can backup etc etc, thanks again
[19:15] <daftykins> np :)
[19:15] <Fyodorovna> sydney, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[19:16] <undersound> Jordan_U: thanks
[19:16] <Fyodorovna> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-mi/
[19:16] <Fyodorovna> Michigan^^^^^^^^^^
[19:16] <tk1> hi folks, i experienced the password ring errors since Ubunto one has stopped, can i delete this password ring without breaking my ubuntu 12.04 ?
[19:18] <mwally> What's the best way to make a live persistent USB for 14.04?  (Either a live system with persistence, or a full-blown install onto USB)?  I want to use a 16GB Flash Drive, if possible.
[19:18] <daftykins> from what host OS?
[19:18] <mwally> From 14.04 as well
[19:18] <holstein> mwally: i dont.. i just do the install to the stick, and put grub right on the stick..
[19:19] <holstein> !mini
[19:19] <holstein> !alternate
[19:19] <holstein> mwally: because the alternate was discontinued, i use the mini iso to have more control over where grub goes
[19:20] <mwally> holstein, I tried to install to the USB directly from the normal desktop install DVD, but after 20 hours it had just finished copying the files and had not yet begun to install anything.  Any idea what I did wrong?
[19:20] <holstein> mwally: maybe, nothing. could be the stick is bad/failing.. could be soemthing with the USB bus.. or hardware
[19:21] <holstein> mwally: shouldnt take that long.. should be similar to a normal install, just with USB write speed limits
[19:21] <Jack64> hey guys, I used to use export DISPLAY=0:0 on my shell scripts to run XBMC on the main pc display when I ssh'ed in 12.04, but now I updated to 14.04 and it doesn't work anymore. How can I force XBMC to run on the main pc display??
[19:21] <skfax_> I'm trying to install GCC 4.8 on Ubuntu 12.10, but I'm running into the following error when running "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8 g++-4.8" -> http://pastebin.com/4LrSWeJ2
[19:22] <mwally> ok, I will try with the mini then and see if that works.
[19:22] <kittykitty> skfax_, you need to force an install? I forgot the command but im sure someone knows
[19:23] <skinux> How can we set Ubuntu to automatically open EXE files via WINE?
[19:24] <kittykitty> skinux, cant you just set it as the default ? I did that with mine in the properties of one of the .exe i had
[19:24] <skfax_> kittykitty: I've tried both "apt-get --fix-missing-install" and "apt-get install -f" without luck
[19:25] <kittykitty> skfax_, what are you running? x86 or x64?
[19:25] <holstein> skinux: i wouldnt suggest that.. its not constructive, since all .exe's wont work
[19:25] <skfax_> kittykitty: x64
[19:25] <kittykitty> skfax_, are you trying to install a 32 bit version without multi arch?
[19:26] <skfax_> kittykitty: Well I might be trying something wrong, but my intention is to install 64-bit GCC 4.8
[19:26] <kittykitty> skfax_, try running this: sudo apt-get install g++
[19:27] <skfax_> kittykitty: It says that I'm on the latest version. gcc -v lists that as 4.7.2
[19:27] <skfax_> (I have run apt-get update)
[19:27] <kittykitty> hm
[19:27] <kittykitty> did you add a repo?
[19:27] <skfax_> yes
[19:27] <kittykitty> i had this problem with pinta.
[19:28] <skfax_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[19:28] <kittykitty> go into the software sources and turn off the universe and all that, then reload the packages and try again
[19:28] <kittykitty> that repo must provide it under the same name
[19:28] <kittykitty> skfax_, dont forget to turn universe back on when youre done tho :P
[19:31] <skfax_> kittykitty: I guess the error changed a little: http://pastebin.com/crevpAZp
[19:31] <kittykitty> oh.
[19:31] <kittykitty> its i386, thats 32x
[19:32] <kittykitty> add multiarch skfax_
[19:32] <trijntje> I want to install lubuntu on a usb drive, is there anywhere I can find some info on what changes I should make to the default settings to speed things up or increase the lifetime of the flash drive?
[19:32] <skfax_> kittykitty: How do I do that?
[19:32] <kittykitty> one sec
[19:33] <kittykitty> skfax_, what does dpkg --print-foreign-architectures give you?
[19:33] <skfax_> kittykitty: Is that what I want to do? I just want to run 64-bit GCC on a 64-bit machine
[19:33] <holstein> trijntje: i just install.. though, you can do that without swap, and use ext2.. these days those are so inexpensive, it may not be worth the tweaks for longevitity, and they are not always the same for speeding things up
[19:33] <kittykitty> skfax_, the repo you had didnt have 64x in it, youre installing 32x
[19:34] <kittykitty> skfax_, do dpkg --add-architecture i386
[19:34] <kittykitty> and then it should install
[19:34] <trijntje> holstein, why ext2? I was planning on using ext4 w/o journalling, since ext4 has some speed improvements over ext2 (at least thats what I read somewhere :P)
[19:35] <holstein> trijntje: you can read plenty.. i do the default these days.. but, you are free to tweak all you need, and im sure a volunteer can help you with the details of anything you ask about specificially
[19:35] <holstein> !Mini
[19:35] <skfax_> kittykitty: But that will install 32-bit GCC?
[19:35] <holstein> trijntje: i may want to start with the mini iso as well..
[19:36] <kittykitty> skfax_, yes i think but i dont think the repo you have has gcc64 otherwise it would install it
[19:37] <OerHeks> dpkg --add-architecture i386 ? why not just install <package>:i386
[19:37] <trijntje> holstein, thanks, I hadn't thought of the mini iso, that should slim things down a bit
[19:37] <holstein> trijntje: its more about getting different install-time options
[19:38] <kittykitty> OerHeks, its already the 32 bit version isnt it?
[19:40] <OerHeks> ubuntu is already multi-arch, so that command may ruin your system, kittykitty
[19:41] <kittykitty> OerHeks, didnt know that :P
[19:41] <trijntje> holstein, I'm doing the mini install now, thanks for your advice
[19:42] <ghgds> Hi
[19:43] <lamrz> hello, can anyone help me in creating custom photorec signature in ubuntu? I couldnt make the commands work in this wiki: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Add_your_own_extension_to_PhotoRec
[19:43] <ghgds> I own 12.04
[19:45] <trijntje> hi ghgds, whats your question?
[19:46] <skfax_> Meh :\ Sad panda. Ubuntu upgrade seems to have broken the virtualbox drivers.
[19:47] <mexi_d3> skfax_: VBox is working on 14.04 so I guess you just need to update it separately or run dkms again?
[19:48] <skfax_> I'm on 12.10
[19:48] <daftykins> !12.10 | skfax_
[19:48] <daftykins> skfax_: ah it doesn't say, but it's unsupported now
[19:50] <penncil> hello, tried to create a boot cd.  says it created from mini.iso but it doesn't boot.
[19:50] <Fyodorovna> skfax_, You have dkms installed? What drivers?
[19:50] <Fyodorovna> ah 12.10 boooo, lol
[19:51] <TuxRescue> in unity-tweak-tool in the appearance section for icons i select "Whiteglass, large icons" but the setting does not take effect - what can i do?
[19:52] <skfax_> It's this old virtual machine I have to use due to some weird configuration which is apparently hard to get right. But if it just makes more stuff a hassle (Virtualbox, GCC..) I'm really tempted to just redo the whole setup.
[19:52] <skfax_> If I redo the setup, 14.04 would be the sane thing to go with?
[19:52] <TuxRescue> sorry, for the cursor i mean
[19:52] <mexi_d3> skfax_: 14.04 works and will be supported for many years
[19:52] <Akuw> how can i test VPN conectivity ?
[19:52] <TuxRescue> the cursor is what i tried to change
[19:53] <mexi_d3> Akuw: turn on vpn, connect to a site that displays your connection info e.g. http://ifconfig.me
[19:54] <mexi_d3> Akuw: Check for DNS leak as well.
[19:54] <trijntje> are normal usb flash drives smart enough to compress files before writing them?
[19:54] <Akuw> how do that mexi_d3
[19:54] <mexi_d3> Akuw: There's websites that do it, they report your connection info
[19:55] <HelloWorld321> Best practices on a personal desktop installation of Ubuntu:  What folder/path should one install applications in?   I'm looking at Git Extensions, which is downloaded as a zip and runs under mono.  In http://jeremykentc.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/git-extensions-240-on-ubuntu-1204.html, the author unzips (and therefore installs) to /home/apps/GitExtensions.  I currently have mine in ~/Downloads/GitExtensions, and I'm pretty sure th
[19:55] <mexi_d3> HelloWorld321: In the user's home/username/bin folder, or in /usr/local or in /opt
[19:56] <mexi_d3> HelloWorld321: the 'local' means site packages, not supplied by distro
[19:57] <mexi_d3> HelloWorld321: But really anything in /home/username is not too bad, since that's the user's personal whatever
[20:00] <HelloWorld321> tx mexi_d3
[20:07] <huatou> Anyone know of a good cli epub reader?
[20:08] <huatou> or even a tolerable one?
[20:09] <TuxRescue> nobody able to help me?
[20:09] <trijntje> huatou, epub is zipped html, just unzip it and read it with a cli html reader
[20:10] <TuxRescue> in unity-tweak-tool in the appearance section for cursors i selected "Whiteglass, large icons" but the setting does not take effect - what can i do?
[20:11] <huatou> trijntje: holy cow I had no idea. Thanks!
[20:11] <skinux> Can we tell Ubuntu to install packages to a second location, same as in Windows installation location can be specified?
[20:12] <penncil> my mini.iso failed to boot.  I checked the hash list and don't see mini.iso on the list.
[20:12] <RonaIdo> hi
[20:12] <guntbert> skinux: not really, the installation paths follow a fixed scheme - what is your problem?
[20:12] <Fyodorovna> penncil, what release and where did you get the downoad
[20:13] <RonaIdo> can someone help me with cluebringer, policyd?
[20:13] <skinux> Just disk space on primary partition
[20:13] <guntbert> RonaIdo: ask your real question and see if someone answers
[20:13] <penncil> 14.04 from ubuntu.com alternates
[20:14] <trijntje> huatou, no problem, I was also surprised when I found out
[20:14] <guntbert> !who | skinux
[20:14] <Jordan_U> penncil: Fun trick with md5sums, for anything even remotely popular you can just google the md5sum that you get from your file. If google finds nothing, then your file is corrupt :)
[20:14] <Fyodorovna> penncil, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD use the per session boot menu.
[20:15] <RonaIdo> i would like to se quota in cluebringer (policyd), but how can i set for web users, who send email with php mail() function?
[20:15] <adamcunnington> My website files use a shared library that some of my other projects use. After a bit of deliberation, I've decided that my local copy of my website files will have a symlink to this shared library. I have update.sh which updates my webserver with the files. How can I traverse the symlink so those files can be included too?
[20:16] <Fyodorovna> RonaIdo, Be patient, the channel asks for 10 min intervals in general for reposting help inquiry.
[20:16] <adamcunnington> And better still, is there a symlink that co-operates with git, i.e. can read .gitignore so only pull in stuff i need
[20:18] <gdm85> hi! will I am building current kernel for 14.04 with a patch. do I need to build also modules? I have not specified skipabi=1 thus my guess is that ABI will be compatible
[20:18] <penncil> ty
[20:19] <gdm85> s/will/now
[20:19] <Fyodorovna> penncilfull words here and preface who you address with nicks
[20:20] <etronik> genii:  well, after a second attempted re-install of 13.10 on top of existing 13.10 a got the system running again, but still very crippled as I don't see /have a cursor that I can direct with my laptop's touchpad...
[20:20] <skinux> guntberi: My only problem is primary partition is low on disk space compared to what I would like. I don't have enough space to install all the software I want.
[20:21] <etronik> so I'm limited to text operation... can't figure out why the heck that part failed... how can I configure mouse input via touchpad ?
[20:21] <etronik> text operatona should be keyboard operation
[20:22] <Fyodorovna> etronik, What desktop? I would think an actual working OS would be the goal?
[20:22] <Fyodorovna> on top of or overwriting?
[20:23] <trijntje> skinux, you can use the program 'baobab' to see what takes up most space, it should be installed by default
[20:23] <etronik> must've been overwrite... I don't know re-install internal workings
[20:23] <trijntje> sometimes things like /usr/share/doc can take up a couple of gigabytes
[20:24] <Fyodorovna> etronik, try to read questions carefully, and answer accordingly. ;) I gave you three questions
[20:24] <guntbert> skinux: (you can type <tab> to autocomplete nicknames here) - how did you partition your disk during installation?
[20:24] <trijntje> skinux, or previous kernels if you don't have a separate /boot, that can also get you a couple of 100 MB's
[20:24] <etronik> Fyodorovna: oops! didn't even see that one...
[20:25] <Fyodorovna> etronik, It happens, ;)
[20:25] <etronik> Fyodorovna: what desktop ? err can you bee a little more specific ?
[20:25] <genii> etronik: D620 has an ALPS touchpad, but i don't see an xorg-input driver specifically for it. There's always the catch-all  xserver-xorg-input-all
[20:26]  * genii wanders back to work for a bit
[20:27] <etronik> ermmm how do I reconfigure xorg (or whatever ubuntu 13.10 uses which I don't remember) to get myself a working mouse cursor ?
[20:28] <adamcunnington> I've just plugged a usb stick in and nothing happened, I think it needs formatting, what do I do?
[20:30] <Fyodorovna> etronik, This ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu
[20:31] <etronik> Fyodorovna: regular ubuntu
[20:31] <etronik> the name of the GUI escapes me now...
[20:32] <Fyodorovna> etronik, Has ubuntu ever worked? Do you want a working install with a gui=desktop as a base goal here?
[20:32] <andlabs> etronik: unity
[20:32] <daftykins> adamcunnington: try running gparted
[20:32] <daftykins> adamcunnington: or the new 'disks' utility
[20:32] <genii> etronik: You can also try: xinput  ..to see if it's even seeing it
[20:32] <etronik> andlabs: yeah unity ! thanks !
[20:33] <etronik> xinput it is
[20:34] <etronik> Fyodorovna: Ubuntu has been working fine and dandy until the NVIDIA Chip blew itself up, then I moved the HD to another same model laptop case, been trying to revive the system and was forced as last resort to re-install - got myself new user and desktop but no mouse
[20:34] <adamcunnington> daftykins: thanks, i'm in disks, i've formatted it but still saying 8.4mb unknown, how do i create a partition in it (assuming that's what i need to do?)
[20:34] <adamcunnington> daftykins: ah. https://docs.python.org/3.4/tutorial/
[20:35] <adamcunnington> daftykins: oopps, wrong paste.Error synchronizing after formatting with type `dos': Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[20:35] <daftykins> adamcunnington: upload a screenshot please
[20:35] <adamcunnington> daftykins: alright
[20:35] <etronik> oh genii one othr thing... the CPU seems to be on full tilt, I wonder what might the cause of if, using top I could not see any obvious culprit...
[20:36] <daftykins> adamcunnington: not of the error but of the disk selected
[20:36] <Jordan_U> etronik: Since you just re-installed anyway, why not re-install Ubuntu 14.04?
[20:36] <etronik> I don't trust ubuntu to those processess flawlessly!! plain and simple !
[20:36] <etronik> even if a simple re-install of the same version failed to detect the mouse...
[20:37] <adamcunnington> daftykins: http://i.imgur.com/0ukupei.png
[20:37] <Fyodorovna> etronik, Bummer, but trying to revive an OS I will guess at a beginners level may not be the best approach.
[20:37] <Jordan_U> etronik: I don't understand why you think that re-installing a different version of Ubuntu is a more complex process than re-installing the same version. Or is that not what you're implying?
[20:37] <genii> etronik: Did you see the ALPS touchpad listed when you issued the xinput command?
[20:39] <etronik> genii: no... virtual core XTEST pointer
[20:39] <etronik> Jordan_U: please I've enough failures with all versions of Ubuntu... trust me, I have plenty of failure experience
[20:39] <genii> etronik: Then I'd likely see if the package i mentioned earlier is installed, the xserver-xorg-input-all   ..if there is a driver somewhere in X for it, this will install it
[20:40] <etronik> genii: how do I we check that ?
[20:40] <genii> etronik: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-all
[20:40] <Jordan_U> etronik: Please trust us and at least try Ubuntu 14.04.
[20:40] <etronik> Jordan_U: no.. not yet
[20:41] <scri66le> anyone know how to edit the Connect to Server functions in Nautilus?
[20:41] <scri66le> where would those files be?
[20:41] <adamcunnington> daftykins: ?
[20:41] <genii> Jordan_U: He had 13.10 running on an identical machine before. then when he swapped the hd into second machine, no boot. Now after trying to install same version over what's there, this issue.
[20:42] <etronik> genii: install 1:7.7+1ubuntu6
[20:42] <etronik> maybe I better do a full update of the system no... ?
[20:42] <etronik> I mean
[20:42] <etronik> the whole apt-get update thing
[20:43] <scri66le> etronik, its how you update your system/ install programs
[20:43] <g105b> I've made a python app. Now I want to distribute it. How do I create a .deb file, and where should it install to?
[20:43] <genii> etronik: I'm not sure that will really help, actually.
[20:44] <lamrz> can anyone tell me where the photorec signature file is found in ubuntu?
[20:44] <lamrz> can anyone tell me where the photorec signature file is found in ubuntu please?
[20:45] <mexi_d3> g105b: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[20:45] <etronik> genii: yeah me neither but... might as well
[20:45] <scri66le> anyone know how to edit the Connect to Server functions in Nautilus?
[20:45] <lamrz> sorry..I need to create this file..but where would I put it? just under home folder?
[20:45] <mexi_d3> g105b: Sorry that's the wrong link!
[20:45] <g105b> mexi_d3: ah, I wondered why I was confused.
[20:46] <daftykins> adamcunnington: sorry just doing a domestic chore there, sec
[20:46] <daftykins> adamcunnington: err, it's gotta be bigger than 8MB right?
[20:46] <genii> etronik: I have to go do some work, but will be back in about 10-15 minutes and staying for maybe an hour after that. If you do the apt-get upgrade keep us posted :)
[20:46]  * Fyodorovna imagines daftykins yelling "you kids get off my lawn"
[20:47] <etronik> genii: sure thanks
[20:47] <lamrz> ok, thanks! I think I solved it
[20:47] <adamcunnington> daftykins: yea, think it might be 16gb or something
[20:47] <daftykins> adamcunnington: ok, please run 'gparted' and then select /dev/sdg top right, then screenshot and share again
[20:48] <scri66le> anyone know if I compile nautilus will it ruin my current nautilus?
[20:48] <daftykins> in ubuntu land we do not compile, so it would not be recommended
[20:48] <adamcunnington> Is there a way in ubuntu to backup a list of installed programs so reinstalling on a new machine with the same apps is easy?
[20:49] <mojosan> Hello, im trying to get my Canon Selphy  SE1 working on my ubuntu 14.04. i've installed cups-guteprint-driver and cups i getting my selphy reognized. while adding the printer it diplays me gutenprint52usb as protocol. Is that the "special communication protocol"? Cups cannot use this protocol, so it throws me an error. How can i get cups to support
[20:49] <mojosan>  this protocol?
[20:49] <Fyodorovna> adamcunnington, several way
[20:49] <adamcunnington> daftykins: http://i.imgur.com/OvkZ2G9.png
[20:50] <adamcunnington> Fyodorovna: can you recommend one?
[20:50] <daftykins> adamcunnington: wow, the system seems certain it's just 8MB in size
[20:50] <Jordan_U> !clone | adamcunnington
[20:50] <Fyodorovna> adamcunnington, save the all the repos not in the ubuntu standard and keys and Code: dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packagesA nd if you wanted to use the list to reinstall this software on a fresh ubuntu setup, Code:sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages ; sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[20:51] <daftykins> adamcunnington: you didn't get hustled by a cheap flash drive on ebay from China or something? :)
[20:51] <Fyodorovna> dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-package*
[20:51] <adamcunnington> daftykins: haha na
[20:51] <adamcunnington> daftykins: is it broken and doomed to never work?
[20:51] <mexi_d3> Why does `Calibre` appear twice in ubuntu software centre? Once as 'calibre' and once as 'ebook reader'.
[20:52] <adamcunnington> mexi_d3: i noticed that but both are horribly out of date and broken, i went via ppa
[20:52] <daftykins> adamcunnington: i don't know, i'm very surprised it's showing up so tiny - one more idea would be to install the program pastebinit then open a terminal and run "sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit" and paste the link here
[20:52] <adamcunnington> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7620103/
[20:54] <daftykins> adamcunnington: hrmm unless it was one of these ones that would've contained software in that 8MB to unlock the rest... i'm at a loss to explain that. try another port and see if it changes maybe?
 adamcunnington: you didn't get hustled by a cheap flash drive on ebay from China or something? :)  So culturally inappropriate, if you said something like that in the cultural studies I'm in you would be talked to.
[20:56] <daftykins> oh well ;)
[20:57] <adamcunnington> daftykins: na this stupid memory stick has always been like this, never been able to get it to work! Shall I bin it?!
[20:57] <daftykins> adamcunnington: with how cheap they are these days i'd say so yeah, not much you can do with 8MB... unless you desperately need to give a friend ONE song :>
[20:58] <lionrouge> hi
[20:58] <daftykins> lionrouge: welcome back
[20:58] <adamcunnington> daftykins: haha, i've got like 20 of them so doesn't really matter
[20:58] <lionrouge> tell me please what Ubuntu should i use for Intel Celeron M 540: 64-bit or 32-bit ?
[20:59] <daftykins> lionrouge: how much RAM do you have
[20:59] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, what is the bit on the computer and how much memory
[20:59] <lionrouge> 512 MB DDR2-667
[21:00] <daftykins> lionrouge: that processor can do both 32 and 64-bit, however with that much RAM you would be unlikely to even run 32-bit, you will have to pick either xubuntu or lubuntu
[21:00] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, barely enough to maybe run lubuntu lightly, 32 bit
[21:00] <lionrouge> daftykins, i thought about xubuntu
[21:01] <lionrouge> thanks
[21:01] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, You are welcome to try any desktop however, it depends on your needs
[21:02] <lionrouge> is LXDE a mature DE?
[21:03] <lionrouge> looks a bit too lightweight
[21:03] <DalekSec> If you'd like really lightweight, you can install openbox+tint2.
[21:03] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, what is your definition of mature? It's been around a longtime and is supported
[21:03] <daftykins> lionrouge: honestly, with such old hardware, you've not got many options
[21:04] <Fyodorovna> +1 openbox+tint2.
[21:04] <lionrouge> Fyodorovna, i mean automatic volume mount, enough settings etc.
[21:05] <etronik> genii: doing the apt-get update (via software updated) did the trick - got the mouse pointer back and touchpad working again...
[21:05] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, again without definitions it is moot if you want exact answers, anything else is subjective and a opinion. ;)
[21:05]  * etronik shrugs
[21:06] <etronik> now I feel I've something really risky, riding my luck I told Ubuntu to install proprietary graphics driver for Nvidia - I sense impending doom...
[21:06] <Fyodorovna> lionrouge, Really if you want to know if anything works for you run it
[21:06] <lionrouge> Fyodorovna, ok ))
[21:07] <daftykins> etronik: could be worse, you could be running AMD
[21:07] <histo> etronik: will work fine
[21:08] <etronik> restarting the system... and praying...
[21:09] <Deborah> Hello.  I'm wondering if someone might be able to help me with my crashed computer.  I tried to upgrade my Lenovo 3000 J Series (with Pentium 4) from Ubuntu 12.04 .4 LTS to 12.10.  I was using the upgrade manager and
[21:09] <etronik> as I suspected
[21:10] <Deborah> followed all the directions, but when the system restarted, it showed....
[21:10] <etronik> i pushed my  luck way too far
[21:10] <Deborah> "Verifying  data pool
[21:10] <Deborah> and then the Ubuntu logo, but then it started flashing.
[21:10] <etronik> back to square one again - acpid exiting ! F***K!
[21:11] <Fyodorovna> Deborah, 12.10 and 13.04 are end of life, are you sure that this is the path you want. A fresh install may be a better option.
[21:12] <Deborah> Fyodorovna, I'd prefer the latest system, but I read that I couldn't jump from 12.04 to the most recent one.  I thought i had to go step by step.  But now... the computer doesn't seem to work at all.
[21:12] <Deborah> I do have a *little* bit more data.
[21:13] <histo> Deborah: you can upgrade from LTS to LTS
[21:13] <Deborah> Eventually the screen says "low graphics mode" and gives me the opportunity to troubleshoot.  I can access an xserver log file.
[21:13] <histo> Deborah: what type of video card is in the machine?
[21:14] <histo> Deborah: How did you try to go from 12.04 to 12.10 also?
[21:14] <Deborah> Histo, thanks for that tip.  I'll look for the vidcard;
[21:14] <histo> Deborah: lscpi
[21:14] <Fyodorovna> Deborah, 12.04 and 14.04 are both long term it is standard to jump this distance. However the official upgade will be in July, but could have been run from the terminal. Being in the situation you are in now trying to fix a upgrade to a eol well your choice.
[21:14] <Deborah> SmartMedia?  MultiMedia?  It's really small print on the computer.  Trying to read
[21:14] <daftykins> if i may, i think knowing Deborah's RAM given the mention of Pentium 4 - would be a very relevant piece of information
[21:15] <Deborah> Oh, maybe I don't have enough memory?
[21:15] <Fyodorovna> good point
[21:15] <daftykins> do you know your RAM count?
[21:15] <ask-something> excuse me, i need help. sometimes when i was connected modem use command: "wvdial xxx" (xxx is my configuration) i could'nt connected. error message ="the ppp daemon has died : a modem hung up the phone ".
[21:15] <ask-something> i was try restart,unplug data cable and plug again(i repeat it continuesly until i can success connect)  . but i don't know what the problem. my question, the problem from my system or my internet provider?thx.
[21:15] <histo> Deborah: free -h   in a tty
[21:16] <Deborah> histo, I'm not sure what free h in a tty means.  (Sorry I'm so out of it.)
[21:16] <histo> Deborah: in the command line
[21:16] <daftykins> histo: it's not booting ;)
[21:17] <histo> daftykins: then how was she reading hte output of lscpi  ?
[21:17] <Fyodorovna> ask-something, phone?
[21:17] <Deborah> I'm looking on my written out sheet of the xserver file. Would it be there?
[21:17] <ask-something> Fyodorovna, yes, modem in phone
[21:17] <histo> Deborah: How were you upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10?
[21:18] <daftykins> Deborah: when it fails to boot and flashes, do you get a command line login screen (a TTY) by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[21:18] <MirkoCe> hello, could somebody tell me what those Errors mean?
[21:18] <MirkoCe> [drm:cpt_serr_int_handler] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun
[21:18] <MirkoCe> [    5.165606] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 170x48
[21:18] <MirkoCe> [    5.172036] i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
[21:18] <Fyodorovna> ask-something, So you are using your phone as a modem for ubuntu on a computer?
[21:18] <MirkoCe> [    5.172038] i915 0000:00:02.0: registered panic notifier
[21:18] <Deborah> oh, I found a ubuntu web page that had a link
[21:19] <ask-something> Fyodorovna, yes
[21:19] <Deborah> here's some more info from the xserver:  current version of pixman: 0.30.2
[21:19] <daftykins> Deborah: i don't think any of that is going to be of any use
[21:19] <Fyodorovna> ask-something, Cool, just trying to decipher the post, no answer here though.
[21:19] <Deborah> build operatiing system: linux 3.2 054 generic i686 ubuntu
[21:19] <histo> !details | MirkoCe
[21:20] <daftykins> Deborah: do you think you could try the above mentioned Ctrl + Alt + F1 thing?
[21:20] <Deborah> ok.  I'm restarting the ubuntu computer.  it takes awhile to get to the part where I can get the xserver report.  is that where i'd find the h tty ?  Or is that something I'd need to know independetly?
[21:20] <Deborah> Oh, I tried ctrl alt F1
[21:20] <Deborah> and ctrl alt T
[21:21] <Deborah> got nothing
[21:21] <Deborah> And eventually, after the messages about the graphics, the only place I could get to was to a flashing cursor.  It wouldn't respond when I typed.
[21:21] <daftykins> Deborah: can you hold left shift after power on and see if you get the GRUB menu displayed? you'd need the key held down just as you see the Verifying DMI pool data message
[21:21] <histo> Deborah: Ignore the tty thing and just answer How were you trying to upgrade?
[21:22] <Deborah> Histo, I'm not sure how to answer the question.  I did research on how to upgrade, and I thnk i used the upgrade manager.
[21:22] <Deborah> But I remember finding an ubuntu website that had upgrade info and links to 12.10.  Seemed legit.
[21:22] <adamcunnington> Once I've created a symlink should I be able to "see it" somewhere? Is there a command to see symlinks in a dir
[21:23] <daftykins> adamcunnington: ls -al will show it up
[21:23] <ask-something> Fyodorovna,thx. but what the meaning of " a modem hung up the phone" ?
[21:23] <Deborah> Daftykins, will try the shift/ power thing now.
[21:24] <Fyodorovna> ask-something, Fyodorovna> ask-something, Cool, just trying to decipher the post, "no answer here though" if I was not clear..
[21:24] <Deborah> just tried left shift, but got nothing.  The power had been on for a few minutes though.  Maybe try again?
[21:24] <yehuda> hi all
[21:24] <ask-something> Fyodorovna, ok sir  thx
[21:24] <adamcunnington> daftykins: ah thanks was just doing ls -a
[21:25] <Deborah> Ooh, I'm at the point where it says System is running in low grapics mode."
[21:25] <daftykins> Deborah: yeah you need to be quick
[21:25] <Deborah> I can get to the xsercver thing.
[21:25] <Deborah> Ok.  Should I turn it off and do it or should I glean something from that report, now that it's easily accessible?
[21:25] <yehuda> have installed Kubuntu and then ubuntu with the same result. day 1 is fine but after that all usb ports do not recognize any devices
[21:26] <daftykins> Deborah: i'm not really sure what you're referring to there
[21:26] <histo> yehuda: how are you testing that they are recognizing devices?
[21:26] <etronik> genii: just as fyi  "back to square one again - acpid exiting ! <expletive>!!"
[21:26] <Deborah> I can access an
[21:26] <Deborah> xserver log file.
[21:27] <Deborah> There seems to be a lot of important info in it.
[21:27] <Deborah> (not that I can understand.)
[21:27] <MirkoCe> After upgrading today my kernel to 3.15 I am getting  an error during boot time, in particular I get "PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun". My system seems to boot fine, but it's rather annoying to see that message. It does not occur with previous kernels. The error is in line  754 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7620229/
[21:27] <histo> daftykins: Sounds like X is crashing to me.
[21:27] <yehuda> histo: usb mouse not responding and usb disk not opening or seen in files
[21:27] <histo> yehuda: ctrl+alt+F1 to get to tty and lsusb  do you see devices listed there?
[21:27] <daftykins> Deborah: ah i see, you said you printed it too, or were you just reading from this file earlier?
[21:28] <adamcunnington> daftykins: weird, so i did ln -s ./api path/to/api/dir
[21:28] <adamcunnington> daftykins: but ls -al doesn't show an api symlink, i can see the api symlink in path/to/api/dir/ but it has an x on the icon in nautilus
[21:28] <histo> yehuda: also try sudo dmesg -c   to clear your log and then plug in your hardware and pastebin the output of dmesg
[21:28] <Deborah> I couldn't print it, but I wrote some of it out longhand.  Now I have the whole thing up on the ubuntu computer and can see it.
[21:28] <histo> yehuda: ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to X
[21:28] <daftykins> adamcunnington: sounds like you may've put the paths in the wrong order. have a read of "man ln" i always forget whether source or destination comes first
[21:29] <daftykins> Deborah: have a look for any lines starting with (WW) or (EE)
[21:29] <genii> etronik: Seems like a step back ....
[21:29] <adamcunnington> daftykins: oh my bad thanks
[21:30] <daftykins> Deborah: you could also try Ctrl + Alt + F1 through the Function keys to F6 to see if you get a terminal login screen (known as a TTY)
[21:30] <etronik> genii: the nvidia driver surely yess, so going about resetting x
[21:30] <Deborah> 30.765 EE
[21:30] <genii> etronik: That's so bizarre that it worked after the apt-get update but not afterwards. Did you do something like suspend/hibernate?
[21:31] <Deborah> 30.765 EE Backtrace
[21:31] <daftykins> Deborah: i don't suppose you have a smartphone or something you can take a photo with and upload to an image site to skip on having to type it out? :)
[21:32] <yehuda> tty = /dev/tty1
[21:32] <Deborah> Also, 27.451 open/dev/dri/card0:No such file or directory
[21:32] <etronik> genii: no, after apt-get update all was good ! but running on a low resolution I then asked to install the proprietary nvidia driver - then I went back to zero
[21:32] <Deborah> Oh, yes i've got an ipod.
[21:32] <yehuda> histo: restarted by mistake with mouse and disk out
[21:33] <genii> etronik: Now that the nvidia is installed, is when i would try the nomodeset option
[21:33] <yehuda> histo: now things are working. Any Idea
[21:33] <Deborah> First, maybe I'll try the  Ctrl Alt Fx (I only did F1 and T before)
[21:33] <kingbeowolf> is anyone else having firefox lock up alot?
[21:33] <daftykins> kingbeowolf: nope, tried a clean profile?
[21:34] <skinux> Should ALT+F4 close any program, including programs running via WINE?
[21:34] <etronik> worth a try
[21:34] <daftykins> skinux: your mileage may vary
[21:34] <genii> kingbeowolf: Usually only if there are a dozen or so tabs with Flash content
[21:34] <histo> yehuda: You lost me there?  It's working now?
[21:35] <kingbeowolf> genii, i tried even using the pipelight plugin instead of linux flash
[21:35] <MirkoCe> I am using ubuntu 14.04 with Unity by the way
[21:35] <genii> kingbeowolf: I think pipelight is more for silverlight content
[21:35] <yehuda> histo: I unplugged and restarted and all works now. On clean boot since yesterday before nothing
[21:36] <yehuda> histo: now lsusb show - Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
[21:36] <yehuda> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[21:36] <yehuda> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[21:36] <yehuda> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0cf3:3004 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[21:36] <yehuda> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 5986:0295 Acer, Inc
[21:36] <yehuda> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0781:5567 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Blade
[21:36] <unopaste> yehuda you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:36] <Deborah> Argh, started with ctrl alt f1 and got transported to blinking cursor that doesn't respond.
[21:37] <daftykins> Deborah: how about any other Function key?
[21:37] <Deborah> Trying other F#s, but getting nowhere.
[21:37] <daftykins> Deborah: feel free to do them all
[21:37] <histo> MirkoCe: where are you seeing that error?
[21:37] <yehuda> sorry
[21:38] <Deborah> ok, exhausted them all.  Try shutting off and restarting, thhis time quickly hitting left shit?
[21:38] <yehuda> histo: now lsusb shows everything
[21:38] <Deborah> shift!
[21:38] <MirkoCe> during boot time, when I start up my system. What I see is line 754 as said before http://paste.ubuntu.com/7620229/
[21:38] <daftykins> Deborah: indeed, you should get a menu
[21:38] <histo> yehuda: okay good
[21:38] <wiiguy> hello, whenever i  try to install a amd driver, i get a error "E: Unable to locate package (>" and "E: Unable to locate package 2" and "unable to resolve xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2. Please Manually install and try again." .... what can i do about this ?
[21:39] <Deborah> got a menu!
[21:39] <yehuda> histo: before only showing intel corp and 2x usb 2.0 root hub  and 1x 3.0
[21:39] <Deborah> that just disappeared!
[21:39] <histo> mramm: what log did you pastebin
[21:39] <Deborah> it's loading something
[21:39] <Drewcifer> I am running Ubuntu from a flash disk. When I install an App, where is it installing, the USB persistance called Casper?
[21:39] <daftykins> Deborah: ah, it should've stayed on it and let you select things
[21:39] <Deborah> ubuntu checking drives for errors..
[21:39] <Deborah> it's gonna crash again.
[21:40] <Deborah> Yep.  I'm at the flashing part.  Will try again and will select something from the menu immediately.  I didn't even get a chance to read it because i was typing here.
[21:41] <histo> yehuda: okay.. Well next time it stops working we'll have to troubleshoot
[21:41] <daftykins> Deborah: hehe, perhaps cursor up and down as soon as you see it
[21:41] <Deborah> ok, at cmos setup utility
[21:41] <histo> Drewcifer: if you setup persistence there is a casper file
[21:41] <etronik> bloody hell, trouble even resetting X
[21:41] <etronik> using
[21:42] <yehuda> any idea what could cause this. before I have mint 16 never a problem now with Ubuntu 14 and Kubuntu 14 suddenly this
[21:42] <Deborah> there's standard cmos features, advanced bios features, integrated peripherals, etc.  (do you know this already?)
[21:42] <etronik> using X -configure on the root console, the script complains about created screen being different from detected screens, and exists
[21:42] <Drewcifer> histo: I installed a program so fast I didn't look to see where it installs to. The persistance is fairly small is it not 4gb? Should I install to an external hardrive instead?
[21:42] <histo> yehuda: you could try poking around in dmesg and seeing
[21:42] <daftykins> Deborah: that's your BIOS, you must've been pressing something other than shift to get into that... hit ctrl+alt+delete to restart and boot normally, then after the first screen of boot disappears, hold that left shift
[21:42] <yehuda> ok thanks. what would I be looking for?
[21:43] <userr> big bang theory
[21:43] <histo> Drewcifer: How did you create your thumb drive?
[21:43] <histo> yehuda: errors
[21:43] <Deborah> Oh, yeah, I was holding shift, but then I noticed it said to hit enter to bypass normall startup.  Darn, I thought I was getting somewhere.
[21:43] <wiiguy> hello, whenever i  try to install a amd driver, i get a error "E: Unable to locate package (>" and "E: Unable to locate package 2" and "unable to resolve xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2. Please Manually install and try again." .... what can i do about this ? > full log >>> http://pastebin.com/FK2d7uM2
[21:43] <histo> yehuda: or anything pertaining to usb or those devices
[21:43] <Deborah> Should I sustain holding the shift while the computer is turning on?
[21:44] <histo> yehuda: I wouldn't really sweat it until it happesn then it will be easier to figure out.
[21:44] <yehuda> ok thanks
[21:44] <WhitePOWER> Hi! Just look at blood horror sponsored by USA in Ukraine!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeZ-P_P0eA
[21:44] <daftykins> Deborah: by the sounds of the age of your machine, you see the first screen which may mention the processor and RAM, maybe even have an energy star logo or perhaps AMI award BIOS, then the second screen has a table of information then says "Verifying DMI pool data..." , it's as soon as this second screen comes up you want to start holding shift
[21:44] <Sonmi-451> Hello :) Is there any way to change the keyboard-combination for acessing the ttys? I cant acess them with Ctrl Alt F*... Sorry for my bad english. :)
[21:45] <wiiguy> i guess no one knows ?
[21:45] <Drewcifer> histo: universal usb installer. with the max persistence file offered. I would ideally like to have a portable linux OS that I could boot anywhere on a large harddrive. I would also like to use that same USB to back-up windowz files as well.
[21:46] <histo> Drewcifer: Okay so you did set it up with persistent storage so what is the question then?
[21:46] <wiiguy> :(
 Yeah!  At GNU GRUB.\
[21:46] <daftykins> Deborah: :) do you see "Ubuntu" and then "advanced options" ?
[21:46] <Deborah> yep
[21:46] <Drewcifer> My current USB thumbdrive is 16gb but it was a stable boot and my current large harddrive has a big backup on it from windowz that I would prefer not to have to repeat.
[21:47] <daftykins> Deborah: go for advanced, then you should see a recovery option
 It
[21:47] <daftykins> wiiguy: i just took a look
[21:47] <wiiguy> oh i see
[21:47] <daftykins> wiiguy: that installer seems broken for whatever reason, yet it states it's verified - :S
[21:48] <Deborah> oops, it's offering a couple of different things.   Linux 3.5.0-51 generic, the same with recovery mode;
[21:48] <histo> Drewcifer: What is your question?
[21:48] <etronik> EXPLETIVE!! Can't even reset X configuration...
[21:48] <Fyodorovna> Drewcifer, You can have a casper-rw partition, if you want more tha 4 gigs
[21:48] <Deborah> -63, also with recovery
[21:48] <Fyodorovna> than*
[21:48] <wiiguy> i guess i could try downloading a older one
[21:48] <Drewcifer> histo: I unsure how to partition USB devices to use them as storage as well as boot drive in which I can run a couple programs (not sure how much space they need)
[21:48] <Deborah> and 17 with or without recovery
[21:48] <etronik> 10 hours for nothing !
[21:48] <Deborah> Anything in particular you think i should pick?
[21:48] <histo> Drewcifer: 4gb is fine for persistent storage.  Windows will only read the first partition ona  removable drive though if you need that capability.
[21:49] <daftykins> Deborah: ok, tell you what, i want you to try each of the ones without recovery on the end in turn going backwards based on that ending number to test if one works
[21:49] <daftykins> Deborah: is that clear? my wording was pretty poor
[21:49] <daftykins> wiiguy: is it their very latest, such as a beta?
[21:49] <Deborah> ok.  So, so should I start with the 51 or the 17 (without recovery mode)?
[21:49] <Deborah> or the 63
[21:49] <wiiguy> there is a beta
[21:50] <ldiamond> Hi, I have ubuntu 14.04 server installed with LXDE package added (for a cleaner install). I'm trying to enable wifi but when I go to the "network connections" preference and try to create a wifi network connection, all the fields are greyed out. However, iwlist wlan0 scan works just fine.
[21:50] <wiiguy> should i try the beta first ?
[21:50] <ldiamond> Anyone knows how I can get a working gui for that?
[21:50] <daftykins> Deborah: so the largest number is what it's booting already, so pick the one that's lower than that... then if that gives you a flashing screen try the next and so on
[21:50] <Drewcifer> OK let's say I wanted to install fairly large program, it won't max out persistence? I think I am missing something about what persistence is. and where files are stored,  and what-not.
[21:50] <Jordan_U> Drewcifer: Try installing Ubuntu normally to the external drive. "Persistance" is not really as flexible and reliable as a regular install, for example kernel upgrades will fail. The only downsides of doing a normal installation is that it takes up more space, and also may be slower on slow drives (the compression used by the Live environments hides the fact that reads can often be very slow on external drives).
[21:51] <Fyodorovna> +1^^^^^
[21:51] <Deborah> Ok, 63 is the largest number so I'll go with the next smallest:  51.  Here goes.
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> ldiamond: try wicd. It may help instead of network manager
[21:51] <daftykins> Deborah: excellent
[21:51] <histo> Drewcifer: you could install up to 4gb of programs.
[21:51] <ldiamond> ActionParsnip, do I need to install the other network manager for that?
[21:52] <Jordan_U> Drewcifer: The casper-rw partition is a partition that stores files that have been changed from, or added to the files in the read only squashfs filesystem.
[21:52] <Drewcifer> OK, I see what I am doing wrong. Running it as a trial vs instal.
[21:52] <wiiguy> daftykins should i try the beta ?
[21:52] <Deborah> 51 is flashing.  Gonna turn off. and do the shift thing.
[21:52] <histo> Drewcifer: huh?
[21:52] <daftykins> wiiguy: depends how old your card is i guess, it's up to you
[21:53] <Drewcifer> IDK. I'm confused.
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> ldiamond: use a wired connection if you can
[21:53] <wiiguy> it is a pretty old laptop
[21:53] <wiiguy> but i will try :)
[21:53] <histo> Drewcifer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/what-is-persistent-linux/
[21:53] <Deborah> Trying 17
[21:53] <daftykins> wiiguy: errr, just so you know anything lower than Radeon 5xxx series are unsupported by their drivers anyway
[21:54] <histo> Drewcifer: even better link http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/ubuntu-persistent-live-cd.html
[21:54] <Jordan_U> Drewcifer: So if you edit /etc/hostname in the "persistant" environment, a new file, at the path etc/hostname within the casper-rw filesystem will be created, and any reads to "/etc/fstab" will actually read from the casper-rw partition. As far as most processes are concerned, there is no way to notice a difference between reading a file that has been changed (is read from the casper-rw) vs a file that has not been changed (is ...
[21:54] <Jordan_U> ... read directly from the squashfs).
Aw, man.  the 17 is flashing, too.  Should I switch to the "recovery" options?  Starting with the high numbers?
[21:55] <daftykins> Deborah: yeah, do the latest recovery kernel and after a little bit it should come up with a basic looking menu
[21:56] <daftykins> Deborah: by the way what kind of device are you chatting from?
[21:56] <Drewcifer> Ok, I think I have learned that the way I wanted to do what I wanted to do is not feasible.
[21:56] <Deborah> I'm chatting from an acer computer running windows 7.
[21:57] <histo> Drewcifer: What is it that you want to do?
[21:57] <houst0n_> Okay; so apologies if I'm being a tard but we've been getting 403s from the ec2 mirros in the us and eu for >8 hours --- this a known thing?
[21:57] <wiiguy> daftykins, i seem to have mobility radeon HD 4650/5165
[21:57] <houst0n_> mirrors*
[21:58] <daftykins> wiiguy: you might need to check the release notes for the drivers to be sure that's supported
[21:58] <Deborah> trying 63 recovery kernel-- lots of text... and now a recovery menu
[21:58] <wiiguy> hd5000 is supported is what it says
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> Corrupt JPEG data: premature end of data segment
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> Aborted (core dumped)
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> I get this error when I run skype
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> it causes skype to crash
[21:58] <wiiguy> bot the 4k makes me worry
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> Does anyone have any insight into this issue?
[21:58] <daftykins> !recovery | Deborah
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> I tried removing skype and installing it from a deb file on skype's website
[21:58] <Drewcifer> How much space will be consumed if I install Ubuntu inside windows?
[21:58] <RonaldReagan> but to no avail
[21:59] <wiiguy> but i will just try it and see what happens
[21:59] <daftykins> Deborah: ah, that link was actually not as helpful as i thought it was
[21:59] <wiiguy> it is a blank install anyways
[21:59] <Drewcifer> 6.4 gb the install program tells me so, duh
[21:59] <houst0n_> No one else having probs like us? e.g: https://gist.github.com/houst0n/a29afc20d9b829e67747
[22:00] <Deborah> ok.  Should i select repair broken packages?  or check all file sysems?
[22:00] <histo> Drewcifer: I don't think wubi is supported anymore
[22:00] <daftykins> Deborah: i think dropping to a root shell would be best
[22:00] <Drewcifer> wubi?
[22:00] <houst0n_> Looks like someone turned auth on the s3 bucket or something .... ?
[22:00] <Deborah> ok.
[22:00] <daftykins> Deborah: do you have any data on this system that you need to recover?
[22:00] <p3rror> hello
[22:00] <Deborah> there's stuff on there, but it's not essential.
[22:00]  * histo screams and slams head into desk repeatedly
[22:00] <p3rror> I have some problem with mysql-server
[22:01] <p3rror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7620358/
[22:01] <etronik> unbelievable but I'm re-installing 13.10 for the second time today! on account of X not being able to reset!
[22:01] <houst0n_> So we're alone?
[22:01] <Deborah> I just don't want to have to junk this computer.
[22:01] <daftykins> etronik: it's really not your day
[22:01] <etronik> seems not
[22:01] <daftykins> Deborah: what's it used for? it's a bit of a dinosaur :)
[22:01] <histo> etronik: isn't 13.10 eol?
[22:02] <etronik> and at every upgrade I shudder at the prospect
[22:02] <histo> etronik: sry nvm
[22:02] <histo> Wow no I'm doing it
[22:02] <Deborah> Yeah, I know.  Primarily just for the internet and word processing.  This laptop is used for more advanced stuff.
[22:02] <histo> Deborah: install lubuntu or xubuntu
[22:02] <houst0n_> We I've got >100 boxes to build tomorrow for a prod release and our pipeline's failing as the ec2 ubuntu mirros are throwing 403s at us ..... no one's having the same problem?
[22:03] <daftykins> Deborah: i was thinking it would probably be a lot easier to just format the disk and install a newer version, like the lighter weight editions histo mentions
[22:03] <daftykins> houst0n_: tried using the repo address instead of CDN addresses?
[22:03] <houst0n_> Can anyone try and grab a package from it? Or just curl -I http://eu-west-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lua5.1/liblua5.1-0_5.1.5-4_amd64.deb and tell me the response code?
[22:03] <histo> daftykins: she could even recover her files from those lighter weight distro live cds
[22:03] <houst0n_> They're the offical amis -- the above, for example, responds with a 403 from the uk and the us
[22:03] <daftykins> histo: once we find out RAM yep :)
[22:03] <Deborah> Format a disk on another computer, you mean? Or can I install it directly on the dinosaur?
[22:04] <daftykins> Deborah: i just mean reinstall. did it boot to a root prompt?
[22:04] <houst0n_> We can change the repo addresses, we'll have to do some midnight puppet hax for it though -- which isn't a problem
[22:04] <Deborah> Yes,  it says root@lenovo:~#
[22:04] <houst0n_> I'm more interested to know if we're the only people seeing it ...
[22:04] <Drewcifer> histo: I am using the install app distributed with Ubuntu, I think I meant to say "along side" windows.
[22:04] <SpecialEd> Got a brand new Ubuntu 14.04 Server installed and it appears the file "70-persistent-net.rules" is missing and my NIC shows up as p2p1. The system has a ASRock H87M-ITX Motherboard with a QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet for an onboard NIC. I am able to ping out however I'd like to change the p2p1 to eth0, any clues as to what went wrong would be helpful, I have tried full reinstallation of Ubuntu
[22:04] <SpecialEd> twice now...
[22:04] <daftykins> houst0n_: and yet look what happens if you just do: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lua5.1/liblua5.1-0_5.1.5-4_amd64.deb
[22:05] <daftykins> houst0n_: that downloads for me fine
[22:05] <houst0n_> Yep -- those mirros work for us too
[22:05] <daftykins> SpecialEd: it's a new policy, not a problem. no idea how to rename... but is a name really that much of a problem?
[22:05] <houst0n_> They're not the ones that ship with the aws amis though
[22:06] <Drewcifer> houst0n_, You no longer have a problem.
[22:06] <SpecialEd> daftykins: Whats a new policy? That eth0 is now called p2p1?
[22:06] <daftykins> houst0n_: i doubt there should be any difference?
[22:06] <daftykins> SpecialEd: that some drivers have different interface names
[22:06] <houst0n_> Drewcifer: I agree with you, really, but unfortunately the mirrors that are baked into the offical amis we're using are part of the pipeline
[22:06] <houst0n_> So to change them isn't a quick job
[22:06] <SpecialEd> daftykins: OK so how do I fix it so it shows up as eth0?
[22:07] <Drewcifer> oh bums. good luck with that.
[22:07] <houst0n_> It's something we can, and probably will have to do; I'd just like to know if anyone else has noticed the problem
[22:07] <mutante> what is the difference between libjpeg-progs and libjpeg-turbo-progs? if the former is a dependency package and only exists to depend on the other, and there is just a single dependency, why are there even 2 of them?
[22:07] <daftykins> SpecialEd: why does it matter? :)
[22:07] <houst0n_> Or we're getting raped by aws for some reason :)
[22:07] <histo> Drewcifer: I have no idea wtf you are talking about anymore.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> SpecialEd: Yes, the idea being that p2p1 is a name which we can guarantee will always refer to the same NIC, whereas previously if you had two NICs, which one ended up named "eth0", and which "eth1" could end up changing every boot.
[22:07] <houst0n_> Can you try and do that curl -I above for me?
[22:07] <SpecialEd> daftykins: Thats besides the point, I'd like to fix it so that it doesn't say p2p1 and correctly shows eth0
[22:08] <markolo25> what's the command for finding the size of a folder
[22:08] <histo> markolo25: du
[22:08] <houst0n_> I've tried it from boxes we have in france, ireland, us and jp
[22:08] <markolo25> thank you
[22:08] <houst0n_> all throw 403
[22:08] <Nuc1eoN> Hi, I constantly get this error when I start a browser: https://gist.github.com/Nuc1eoN/f2826262d8ad53d68f15 Does anyone know how to update dat icetea configs??
[22:08] <houst0n_> That sounds like a pretty big issue... no?
[22:08] <markolo25> page missing?
[22:08] <histo> markolo25: du -h
[22:08] <daftykins> SpecialEd: lol, i don't mean to be awkward but seriously what's in a name? anyway here's a guide: http://blogs.bu.edu/mhirsch/2012/12/ubuntu-12-10-renaming-ethernet-interfaces-from-p1p1-to-eth0/comment-page-1/
[22:08] <genii> SpecialEd: Maybe check in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules   and if the p2p1 name is being set there, changing it might work. Would need a reboot though.
[22:09] <SpecialEd> daftykins: No offense, but sometimes the why in a problem is irrelevant, thanks for the link ill read that
[22:09] <markolo25> i got it thanks histo
[22:09] <daftykins> SpecialEd: it would help me understand which helps me give help better :)
[22:09] <SpecialEd> genii: I mentioned earlier that that file does not exist and according to daftykins it shouldn't on ubuntu 14.04 which is crap if you ask me, lol
 and <histo> Sorry, I don't want to rush you  or interrupt you from your other conversations, but when you get a chance it would be great if you could tell me if I can do anything from this root prompt or if I need to burn a disc elsewhere and then install.  Thanks!
[22:10] <houst0n_> Okay; if you huys have 30 secs, can you please run this cmd: curl -v -I http://eu-west-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lua5.1/liblua5.1-0_5.1.5-4_amd64.deb and tell me if you get a 200?
[22:10] <genii> SpecialEd: I seems to exist on my 14.04, but then again I upgraded and not a clean install
[22:10] <Jordan_U> SpecialEd: Uninstalling biosdevname will probably get you your "eth0" name back, but I highly recommend that you instead learn to work with the more reliable naming scheme, especially if this is a production server.
[22:10] <SpecialEd> daftykins: that link unfortunately references editing the 70-persistent-net.rules which doesnt exist
[22:10] <SpecialEd> Got a brand new Ubuntu 14.04 Server installed and it appears the file "70-persistent-net.rules" is missing and my NIC shows up as p2p1. The system has a ASRock H87M-ITX Motherboard with a QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet for an onboard NIC. I am able to ping out however I'd like to change the p2p1 to eth0, any clues as to what went wrong would be helpful, I have tried full reinstallation of Ubuntu
[22:10] <SpecialEd> twice now...
[22:10] <houst0n_> I'm sure you terminal ninja mofoz can do it in like.... 5
[22:10] <daftykins> SpecialEd: so create it
[22:10] <galaxyman> hello
[22:10] <SpecialEd> daftykins: tried that, doesnt work
[22:11] <Nuc1eoN> houst0n getting HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
[22:11] <TJ-> SpecialEd: servers are using *biosdevnames* now
[22:11] <houst0n_> Same here, for evetything in the repo, man
[22:11] <galaxyman> folks, does anyone know if it's possible to flash ubuntu touch onto a samsung galaxy tab 3 lite?
[22:11] <Nuc1eoN> no help me pls :P
[22:11] <Nuc1eoN> *now
[22:11] <houst0n_> Looks like someone turned on auth on the s3 bucket, if you've done any aws stuff
[22:11] <daftykins> Deborah: i can multi task :) the value under the 'Total' column beside 'Mem' from "free -m" would be a good start
[22:12] <houst0n_> IT's broken almost all out ec2 pipelines
[22:12] <Jordan_U> SpecialEd: Again, nothing went "wrong", everything is working as it should for a server (I think that reliable persistant names should be used for Desktops as well, but that's beside the point).
[22:12] <houst0n_> None of you've noticed? :/
[22:12] <daftykins> houst0n_: maybe you should refer to amazon help
[22:13] <Carlinhos> anyone using drivers from xorg-edgers or oibaf ppa? x crashes whenever i try to run a game with radeon
[22:13] <histo> Jordan_U: they're only using that on server now ugg
[22:13] <SpecialEd> Jordan_U: Ok then what does p2p1 mean?
[22:13] <houst0n_> We'll just fix it ourselves tomorrow, if it's not sorted by tomorrow morning
[22:13] <SpecialEd> Jordan_U: Its not a p2p link, its a standard ethernet link
[22:13] <histo> SpecialEd: think of it as a guid for your nic
[22:13] <Deborah> Thanks, <daftykins>!  But I'm not sure what you mean.  I'm at the prompt that says root@lenovo:~# and above it there are choices to resume, clean, dpkg, failsafex, fsck, grub, network, root, and system summary.  I don't see anything about a Total Column of Memo or free-m
[22:13] <Nuc1eoN> How to update the damn icetea :/
[22:13] <SpecialEd> histo: GUID is longer than p2p1
[22:13] <houst0n_> Just wanted to let yas know your primary aws mirros (I imagine there are >1m boxes running ubuntu on aws) seem to be unavailable to anyone
[22:13] <histo> SpecialEd: not with your nics
[22:14] <houst0n_> But w/e
[22:14] <daftykins> Deborah: "free -m" is a command i'd like you to type at the root prompt :)
[22:14] <houst0n_> :P
[22:14] <houst0n_> Night!
[22:14] <TJ-> SpecialEd: Read up on biosdevname, here: http://linux.dell.com/cgi-bin/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=biosdevname.git;a=summary
[22:14] <Deborah> aha!  Total Mem is 969.  Used 61, free 908.
[22:14] <daftykins> Deborah: mmm ok so potentially 1GB RAM
[22:15] <Deborah> Is that awful?
[22:15] <daftykins> Deborah: it's quite low, yes - you'd definitely be looking at xubuntu or lubuntu to install the very latest (version 14.04) on such a specification
[22:17] <Deborah> That's fine.  I;d just like to be able to use this computer for email and basic web stuff when the other computer is occupied.  And, if it's possible, I'd love to be able to print from it.  That's how this whole upgrade thing started.  I've got a canon pixma mx922, but it's not compatible with the current system.  I read online somewhere that there were ways to make it work with more updated Ubuntu systems.  If I can do that, great. 
[22:17] <histo> Deborah: make sure you get 32bit version also
[22:18] <Deborah> the computer back to it's previous state of at least being able to surf the web.
[22:18] <daftykins> Deborah: sounds good, how is that computer connected to the internet by the way? is it cabled in?
 32 bit, ok.  How can I access it
[22:18] <galaxyman> ok game of thrones time
[22:18] <alteregoa> someone tell me how to find the config file of ubuntu backup
[22:18] <Deborah> Yes, but we also have wifi at home.
[22:18] <alteregoa> canit find it in /etc
[22:19] <genii> Interesting, nothing in /lib/udev/rules.d seems to make a p2p# device.
[22:19] <daftykins> Deborah: download this on your newer computer: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[22:19] <daftykins> Deborah: excellent, could you run some more commands on your old computer? "mount -o remount,rw /" to start
 hm, i'm typing that command, but i
[22:20] <Deborah> it's not responding.
[22:20] <Deborah> maybe typos?
[22:21] <daftykins> Deborah: the above command should show absolutely nothing after hitting enter, it should just go back to the prompt
[22:21] <alteregoa> ubuntu backup is so deaf, it doesn't display hidden files
[22:21] <Deborah> oh, then it worked.
[22:21] <daftykins> Deborah: next up, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[22:21] <daftykins> Deborah: the first part there should stream a lot of lines of package mirror addresses
lots of lines!
[22:22] <Deborah> Now it asks if i want to continue. I'll say yes.
[22:22] <genii> daftykins: I like that first you are giving commands sans the sudo, then with the sudo :) Are they in recovery boot?
[22:22] <tankerkiller125> OK so my problem is rather basic kinda... I have a ubuntu server install and when I first set it up it detected my wireless card and used it but after its first reboot it no longer connects to the internet and does not use the wireless card. How do I set it up so that it auto uses the wireless card?
 unable to fetch some archives, maybe rn apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[22:23] <daftykins> genii: lol, good spot - force of habit and late night eyes
[22:23] <daftykins> Deborah: ah no matter, try "apt-get install pastebinit" on its' own
got the same message about unable to fetch some archives
[22:24] <tankerkiller125> Another quick note about m problem is that I have indeed searched the web for an answer
[22:25] <daftykins> Deborah: ah :/ ok i think maybe it'd be easier to just boot into a live session from the newly downloaded xubuntu, once you put it on a DVD or USB drive
[22:26] <histo> tankerkiller125: what are you using to manage the network connection?
[22:26] <zykotick9> tankerkiller125: setup options: A) network-manager B) /etc/network/interfaces or C) wicd
[22:26] <tankerkiller125> Default system I havn't been able to download anything like i siad no network so the /etc/network/interfaces one
[22:27] <alteregoa> any standard backup could select hidden files, but not deja dup
[22:27] <tankerkiller125> zykotick9: Default system I havn't been able to download anything like i siad no network so the /etc/network/interfaces one
Argh, another obstacle:  windows cannot open that file.  It's asking me to select a program with which to open it.  I'll check the options
[22:27] <daftykins> tankerkiller125: server and wireless aren't really two things that go together :(
[22:28] <histo> tankerkiller125: Do you know how to setup your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[22:28] <daftykins> Deborah: if you're going to use blank DVDs i would recommend the free program "imgburn" to burn the ISO file to a DVD
[22:28] <zykotick9> tankerkiller125: i got it the 1st time ;)  ya, i've never used n-m from terminal, so i'm not help there.  /etc/network/interfaces is a pain for wireless but i'd suggest you look online for using it to setup your wireless (i just home wpa-supplicant is already installed!)  - FYI, i find server+wireless a bit "odd"
[22:29] <zykotick9> daftykins: "server and wireless aren't really two things that go together" < nice quote ;)
[22:29] <daftykins> :)
[22:29] <tankerkiller125> zykotick9: Yes indeed however this is just a home server that I keep in a ventelated closet and I use for little things like file storage
[22:29] <alteregoa> ctrl-h but f1 doesnt' show that info lol
[22:29] <daftykins> i love cables.
[22:29] <histo> tankerkiller125: it will be fine just read how to setup wireless in the interfaces file online
[22:30] <histo> tankerkiller125: or install a something else to manage the network if need be.
[22:30] <zykotick9> s/just home/just hope/
[22:30] <tankerkiller125> histo: Thanks
[22:31] <daftykins> Deborah: oh no, i'm sorry i just realised i gave you a torrent link by accident
[22:31] <histo> tankerkiller125: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
[22:31] <gt_> for(int i:=0,char c;float m;(i>0)&&(m>0)||!(i=0);i++,m++)
[22:31] <gt_> 		begin
[22:31] <gt_> 				c:='\n';
[22:31] <gt_> 				s:="HELOO\nOOO!!!\n";
[22:31] <gt_> 				//SXOLIA MESA STH FOR
[22:31] <gt_> 		end
[22:31] <unopaste> gt_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
  Okay.  I'll try it.  But you're not gonna believe by other problem.
[22:31] <Deborah> Oh!
[22:31] <daftykins> Deborah: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[22:31] <daftykins> Deborah: perhaps you can select one of the mirror links there instead for whatever country you're in
[22:31] <CarDusan> a
[22:32] <daftykins> Deborah: make sure you pick the -i386.iso
[22:32] <histo> daftykins: she's in the US
[22:32] <jimcha> gt?
[22:32] <daftykins> histo: roger that
[22:32] <tankerkiller125> histo: Thanks even more :)
[22:32] <gt_> for(int i:=0,char c;float m;(i>0)&&(m>0)||!(i=0);i++,m++)
[22:32] <gt_> 		begin
[22:32] <gt_> 				c:='\n';
[22:32] <gt_> 				s:="HELOO\nOOO!!!\n";
[22:32] <gt_> 				//SXOLIA MESA STH FOR
[22:32] <gt_> 		end
[22:32] <unopaste> gt_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:32] <tankerkiller125> I love the open source community
[22:32] <CarDusan> anyone can help with driver installation
[22:33] <daftykins> Deborah: i wondered how you finished downloading it so quick XD
ok, so not this 14.04 thing that i see.  I need to search for xubuntu or lubuntu?
[22:33] <zykotick9> tankerkiller125: sidenote, for me only, i'm part of the "free software" community, and NOT OS... just sayin'  best of luck BTW
[22:33] <daftykins> Deborah: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/14.04/release/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso
[22:33] <Deborah> Oh, no.  Nothing downloaded.  The other problems is that we no longer have the administrative password for this laptop!
[22:33] <histo> CarDusan: driver for what?
[22:34] <Deborah> It's hard to download updates on here.
[22:34] <daftykins> Deborah: the windows 7 one?
 Yep, my son accidentally did something and now we have no admin access.
[22:34] <tankerkiller125> zykotick9: As am I although its not software its mods
[22:34] <histo> Deborah: The windows password or is there a bios password?
[22:34] <daftykins> Deborah: ah ok, there is a built in Windows disc image burner program that should do it fine, if blank DVDs is your chosen method
[22:35] <histo> Deborah: ignore me you are talking about a different computer.
[22:35] <galaxyman> anyone tried flashing ubuntu touch onto a galaxy tab 3 lite?
[22:35] <CarDusan> driver for sound card audigy ls
[22:35] <daftykins> !touch | galaxyman
 i think it was a windows password.  I never heard of bios before today.
[22:35] <histo> CarDusan: So your sound isn't working?
[22:35] <CarDusan> it work but not good
[22:35] <histo> CarDusan: What's not good about it?
[22:36] <histo> Why is this channel like pulling teeth today?
[22:36] <galaxyman> thank you
 i've got the dvd in now.  I should be able to burn to it without a problem though.  the problem is when i need to download onto the pc.  Anyway, is i don't see the i 683 or whatever that number was on the web page.
[22:36] <Deborah> My only choice is 32 bit or (i think) 64 bit.
[22:36] <genii> Deborah: Hopefully you got the 32 bit
[22:36] <daftykins> Deborah: did you see my direct download link for the US further up?
[22:37] <daftykins> Deborah: it's here if you need it again: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/14.04/release/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso
[22:37] <jimcha> george did you solve the flex problem?
I think i missed that direct link.  Clicking now.
[22:37] <jimcha> gt h adelfh sou pws reyetai etsi
Lookslike it will be awhile.
[22:38] <CodingFree> hi guys, is there any way to protect a file for being read by other sudoers?
[22:38] <daftykins> Deborah: any ETA coming up?
 says 20 minutes
[22:38] <daftykins> hmm not bad
[22:38] <gt__> jimcha: okay
[22:39] <gt__> jimcha: xaxaxa
[22:39] <gt__> 8a mas kra3oun
maybe I'll let it run and go feed my hungry child (the one that reconfigured the admin password!)
[22:39] <daftykins> Deborah: :D give them a stern glance from me
[22:39] <CarDusan> i dont hear 1 channel
[22:40] <jimcha> ok
[22:40] <histo> !details | CarDusan
[22:41] <Deborah> Which reminds me, <histo>, this may not be the appropriate place to ask, but do you know how to reset that thing?  And <daftykins>, don't worry, said child is more that adequately remorseful. And... he's SO into computers. He's getting a thrill out of all this, really.  He wants to be helpers like you when he's older, he says!
[22:42] <daftykins> Deborah: i know a way around it, but it's technically off topic for in here.
[22:42] <daftykins> Deborah: you're welcome to PM me about it though
[22:42] <CarDusan> i find this : http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man7/oss_audigyls.7.html
 That's okay.   Oh!  How do you PM?
[22:42] <Deborah> Sorry I'm so clueless.
[22:43] <daftykins>  /msg <user> message goes here
[22:44] <histo> Deborah: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/tp/passrecovery.htm
[22:46] <daftykins> nah, way easier than that
[22:47] <Deborah> Thanks, <histo>
 Hm, unsuccessfully Pmed you.
[22:49] <daftykins> Deborah: you should see one from me
[22:49] <daftykins> Deborah: i don't know what client you're using though
[22:49] <daftykins> ah freenode web
[22:50] <daftykins> look along the top
[22:52] <Deborah> sorry, <daftykins>, just poking around trying to find your pm directions.  I did find your pm to me though.  NOt sure what client I have either,  How can i tell?
[22:54] <daftykins> Deborah: are you just on webchat.freenode.net ?
 Yes.
[22:54] <daftykins> Deborah: yeah just click between #ubuntu and the one showing my nickname along the top bar to switch between then
[22:57] <zr22254> hello
[22:57] <zr22254> !
[22:58] <kat_> guys, does anyone play minetest here? How do you get mods on linux for minetest? The mod store doesn't work.
[22:58] <enchilado> kat_: have you tried asking in #minetest?
[22:59] <kat_> yes, they say go to the forums, but I can't find anything there for linux.
[22:59] <kat_> they say the mod store on the game is broken.
[23:01] <kat_> I'm new with linux. They say to put the downloaded mod in ~/.minetest/mods/.   When I open the minetest file, there is no folder for mods. How do I do that?
[23:01] <enchilado> kat_: $ mkdir ~/.minetest/mods
[23:02] <kat_> so put that in the terminal and it will make a folder in minetest file?
[23:02] <enchilado> .minetest is a folder, not a file
[23:02] <mguy> My laptop 'crashed' and had a black screen with white text on it when I came home. Does that by any chance get written to a file so I can read what it said?
[23:03] <enchilado> mkdir is make directory
[23:03] <kat_> So, that command will put a mod folder in the minetest folder?
[23:03] <enchilado> Yes
[23:03] <kat_> Then I drag and drop the mod into the mod folder?
[23:04] <enchilado> I've never played Minetest, but that sounds right
[23:04] <enchilado> You could also use the mv command
[23:04] <kat_> o.k. will try it.
[23:05] <kat_> thanks
[23:06] <histo> zr22254: hello do you have a ubuntu question?
[23:07] <zr22254> hello histo
[23:07] <zr22254> yep, I'm trying find a easy way to install  skype on my xubuntu laptop
[23:08] <Sarseo> I have a wacom intuos5 tablet.  How do I get this configured to work on Ubuntu?
[23:08] <Sarseo> Is it possible?
[23:08] <Sarseo> Or is it silly to ask?
[23:10] <phunyguy> zr22254, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[23:10] <phunyguy> it is VERY easy
[23:11] <histo> Sarseo: do you know what cpu the tablet has?
 thanks, I already got a solution :D
[23:12] <Sarseo> histo, it's not a tablet, it's just a drawing tablet.
[23:12] <Sarseo> Like the kind you connect via USB
[23:12] <Sarseo> And then use a stylus on
[23:12] <Sarseo> No screen or anything
[23:12] <histo> Sarseo: oh just plug it in
[23:13] <Sarseo> cool
[23:15] <Sarseo> buttons no worky. :c
[23:17] <histo> Sarseo: did you try searching the forums or askubuntu?
[23:17] <Sarseo> histo, still searching
[23:17] <histo> Sarseo: http://askubuntu.com/search?q=intuos5
[23:19] <Sarseo> Yah, looked at some of these already.  They aren't helping. :c
[23:19] <Sarseo> The top one seems the most relevant, but lacks an answer.
[23:20] <unicornjedi> i hope the next ubuntu release will be excitin'!
[23:20] <Sarseo> Ah well, I guess I can just jump back to Windows.
[23:22] <histo> sarir: or run windows in a virtual machine
[23:22] <histo> sarir: sorry wrong person
[23:30] <unicornjedi> man, i wish spotify on ubuntu would work well. It sometimes locks my mouse when I click on a song, then I have to "kill spotify" process
[23:33] <nonuby> has anyone experienced intermittment issues with the top panel/systray not responding to mouse clicks after connecting to external display and/or suspend/resume. cant find a bug report for it but may be using wrong terminology. stock 14.04 x64
[23:34] <unicornjedi> nonuby, sounds liek you got a problem.
[23:36] <TJ-> nonuby: Yes, there is a bug report for that I recall referencing a week or two back, let me grep my logs
[23:36] <nonuby> TJ-, thanks
[23:39] <bozonius> I'm getting an error about no disk space left while trying to run update of one specific package:  linux-headers-3.5.0-51
[23:39] <bozonius> I am able to install other packages; this one fails every time.   There is PLENTY of space on the disk (df shows over 1/2 GB)
[23:39] <bozonius> (1/2 GB free)
[23:40] <bozonius> I checked and see others seem to have this issue, but with different error messages apparently
[23:40] <nonuby> is there something hanging on to the deleted files (lsof)?
[23:40] <bozonius> any help would be appreciated.
[23:40] <bozonius> hmm.  OK, let me check (thanks!)
[23:42] <bozonius> any idea which files I would be looking for?   I guess I could list the files in the package, but I'd hope someone might know
[23:42] <Vivekananda> using network manager vnc causes loss of internet. How do I enable internet along with vpn ?
[23:42] <nonuby> bozonius a reboot might be easier
[23:42] <bozonius> btw, I have rebooted a few times and this problem has not gone away
[23:42] <bozonius> :)
[23:42] <nonuby> okay its not that then
[23:43] <TJ-> nonuby: Unable to find it now, unfortunately. Can't think what search term would hit it
[23:43] <bozonius> and I can install other packages around that one without problems.  So it can't really be disk space.
[23:43] <nonuby> TJ- okay thanks, its a minor annoyance at the moment, no doubt it will be cleared up by 14.04.1
[23:44] <euxneks> bozonius, there might be no space left on /boot
[23:44] <bozonius> I'm on 14.04 LTS
[23:44] <bozonius> (but thanks, good idea)
[23:45] <euxneks> bozonius, check all disk usage and see if a partition is full? df -h
[23:45] <bozonius> the /boot is part of /
[23:45] <daftykins> Vivekananda: you have to tell it to not use the DNS from the VPN and not use the default route for the VPN, which should be in your network manager settings for the connection
[23:45] <zykotick9> bozonius: "df -h" to paste.ubuntu.com
[23:45] <bozonius> and / (the only fs) has 1/2 GB
[23:45] <bozonius> ok hold on...
[23:46] <zykotick9> bozonius: something is full, i'd guess /boot...  ;)
[23:46] <bozonius> take a look; I just pasted df -h
[23:46] <euxneks> zykotick9, that was my thought too
[23:46] <euxneks> bozonius, link?
[23:47] <zykotick9> euxneks: i think you're right
[23:47] <zykotick9> s/think/guess/
[23:47] <bozonius> but take a look!
[23:47] <bozonius> the root fs has about 1/2 GB left
[23:47] <euxneks> bozonius, link to the paste?
[23:48] <bozonius> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7620714/
[23:48] <Jacob_> Hello?
[23:48] <bozonius> (sorry)
[23:48] <Jacob_> I have an issue with GRUB 2.
[23:49] <Jacob_> I am running a UEFI system, but I have an MBR drive with a MS-DOS OS on it.
[23:49] <zykotick9> bozonius: you have no separate /boot, so that's NOT the issue.  it's the 94% / - the kernel headers are big, and need a lot of space (temporary) to install.  best of luck.
[23:49] <bozonius> More than 1/2 GB?
[23:49] <zykotick9> yes
[23:49] <bozonius> unreal!
[23:50] <bozonius> OK
[23:50] <bozonius> I did not realize headers were such a pig these days...
[23:50] <bozonius> thanks for the help folks.
[23:51] <Jacob_> Hi, how do I boot to an MBR drive on a UEFI system with GRUB 2?
[23:51] <bozonius> I guess I need to make some more space...  (whatever happened to small kernels and kernel sources; seems they were much smaller long ago)
[23:51] <zykotick9> bozonius: they fit on a floppy disk at one time ;)
[23:52] <zykotick9> bozonius: but i doubt headers ever did ;)
[23:52] <Jacob_> ._.
[23:55] <TJ-> nonuby: I *think* this may be the report: bug #1318334
[23:55] <daftykins> bozonius: i believe time happened
[23:58] <Freeder> Hi, I have a few small public services running (webpages, ftp, etc) and would like to gain a better idea of what users are doing on my network when connected (bandwidth used, how many are currently connected, new connections, etc) via something similar to mrtg... what is a good real-time stat generator that might be able to do that?