[07:38] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:38]  * ochosi is back
[07:38] <ochosi> Unit193: i think that can't hurt
[07:38] <ochosi> my information is quite some time old, but i have to add that i didn't get a reply to my last email yet (from last week)
[07:40] <knome> ochosi, since you're the XPL, did you get my message about the project funds?
[07:48] <ochosi> i read it just now, yeah
[07:50] <ochosi> not sure what we do with them though, iirc we never decided on anything
[07:56] <Noskcaj> ochosi, we could just use the money to get xfce devs days off work to finish 4.12
[07:56] <ochosi> heh
[07:56] <ochosi> i think that won't suffice
[07:56] <Noskcaj> (just the first thing that came to ming other than merchandise)
[07:56] <ochosi> but i'm happy to grab my share of it in this case :)
[08:02] <ochosi> what did i miss in my absence?
[08:03] <knome> ochosi, all the few coins of which some go to paypal fees ;)
[08:03] <knome> i think we should use them as we would use the ubuntu community funds.
[08:04] <knome> i even thought we could donate them to that fund, then request stuff for at least that worth
[08:04] <knome> but it wouldn't make sense.
[08:04] <ochosi> yeah, it wouldn't
[08:04] <knome> otoh, it would get the money out of our hands.
[08:04] <ochosi> we'd never know whether we'd get it back
[08:04] <knome> we most probably would
[08:04] <ochosi> does it burden you that much? :)
[08:04] <knome> but here's the thing
[08:04] <knome> we could get the amount we asked for AND that money
[08:05] <knome> not like it's burning my pockets, more like i'd like us to use it now that we have it
[08:05] <knome> because we've been talking about fundraising and needing money before
[08:06] <ochosi> yeah, i mean we have been talking about it in the past, but without a clear result
[08:06] <ochosi> the bug-bounty mail didn't really create much "buzz" on the ML, so i'd guess that one's off the table for now :)
[08:06] <ochosi> although i'd like to bring it up again at a meeting i think
[08:07] <knome> i don't mind it, but i don't feel very strongly about pushing for it
[08:07] <ochosi> the "promotional material" that we could fund, well, meh, i'm not sure that helps us one bit as a team to make a step forward
[08:07] <knome> well, not really
[08:07] <knome> which is why i've proposed stuff like "let's pay for elfy's webcam", which he denied
[08:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think it's time we look into getting you upload-rights again
[08:07] <knome> (which is ok)
[08:08] <ochosi> yeah, team member infrastructure can be ok i think
[08:08] <knome> i'm not proposing we all should go and get hardware because we can pay it from the project funds
[08:09] <knome> but it makes sense to me to cover some running costs of team members
[08:09] <knome> i guess including flyer printing.
[08:09] <knome> there isn't really anything >1 people can enjoy
[08:09] <knome> "enjoy"..
[08:10] <knome> i mean, even if we bought a huge banner for conferences
[08:10] <ochosi> t-shirts for all team members :)
[08:10] <knome> it'd probably sit in lyz's apartment
[08:10] <knome> because she visits the most conferences
[08:10] <knome> the t-shirts stuff is one idea.
[08:11] <knome> which could be nice, because we could then determine which vendor to use for the "official" t-shirts
[08:11] <knome> of course that could mean some of us got a bit crappier t-shirts.
[08:12] <knome> $300/14 is about $21, so one of those couldn't cost more than that if we wanted one for every team member.
[08:12] <knome> well, lyz has a few, so could be 13 easily
[08:12] <ochosi> well, for every member that wants one
[08:13] <knome> well who doesn't want a free t-shirt that has a logo of a project they love/like enough to contribute to?
[08:13] <knome> (contribute to for free)
[08:13] <knome> so.. yeah.
[08:13] <ochosi> there are ppl who don
[08:13] <ochosi> t like t-shirts with logos of whatsoever
[08:13] <knome> maybe somebody who doens't wear t-shirts ;)
[08:13]  * ochosi is not a huge fan for one
[08:13] <knome> well i'm one of them.
[08:13] <knome> but i wouldn't mind a t-shirt with a xubuntu logo
[08:14] <knome> or sth along the lines of that
[08:14] <knome> well, we could go ahead and ask on the mailing list who would like one.
[08:14] <knome> then see if it's doable, and start testing vendors one by one.
[08:15] <knome> while it will take more funds, i think we should start with those people who usually would get very high shipping prices
[08:15] <knome> to give them that opportuniy
[08:15] <knome> +t
[08:16] <knome> that of course depends where the shirts are shiped from, and depend on the vendor
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[08:19] <ochosi> :)
[08:20] <ochosi> i'm looking at >1 things right now as things piled up in my "absence"
[08:20] <knome> heh
[08:20] <ochosi> i suggest you add it to the meeting agenda
[08:21] <knome> gosh i hate some features of mailman
[08:21] <knome> or actually, the lack of them
[08:22] <knome> they are minor, but fixing them would make me like it so much more
[08:22] <knome> like adding <label>s for checkboxes/radiobuttons
[08:34] <knome> bug 266391
[08:35] <knome> mailing list moderators, do not be afraid to mark that as "affects me"
[08:36] <knome> it's now the #3 heat bug.
[12:35] <elfy> wb ochosi 
[12:46] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[13:31] <elfy> knome: if you get 30 seconds ... https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1327521/+merge/222425
[13:31] <elfy> or slickymasterWork :)
[13:32] <elfy> hi GridCube 
[13:33] <GridCube> hi
[13:33] <GridCube> how you do
[13:34] <elfy> awesomely :)
[13:35] <elfy> everyone's images are still fubar - not running any calls until that's fixed
[13:37] <slickymasterWork> elfy, seeing it now
[13:39] <elfy> thanks slickymasterWork 
[13:40]  * GridCube hugs elfy 
[13:40] <elfy> :)
[13:41] <elfy> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/All/]
[13:41] <elfy> Jenkins says NO !!!!
[13:41] <elfy> lol
[13:44] <ochosi> elfy: what seems to be the trouble with the images?
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1327521/+merge/222425 <- done
[13:47] <elfy> ochosi: no idea yet - but it's not new 
[13:47] <elfy> slickymasterWork: thanks :)
[13:48] <slickymasterWork> np, it's a pleasure to be useful to such a nice gentleman
[13:48] <elfy> :)
[13:50] <ochosi> ok, well let me know if there's something i can do
[13:54] <elfy> might be useful to ask in -release what's going on - last thing I actually heard was from cjwatson "cjwatson> I can't vouch for whether the images actually *work* with syslinux 6, but I guess we'll find out"
[13:55] <elfy> ochosi: ^^
[13:55] <elfy> though I've got balloons in -qa currently
[14:01] <elfy> who's <balloons> well, I can't quite remember really/ <balloons> kernel issue, then some other things
[19:47] <Unit193> Logan_: And boom, 0.2.0 release: dget https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfdashboard_0.2.0-1.dsc
[20:09] <ochosi> Unit193: ppl aren't used to such a rapid release-series with xfce related projects i guess :)
[20:09] <ochosi> (apart from the xfdesktop release spree leading up to 14.04)
[20:10] <Unit193> Indeed not.  I was waiting for 0.2.0 since he said it was soon, before I tried to annoy Logan.
[20:13] <Noskcaj> Unit193, You should add xfdashboard to pkg-xfce
[20:13] <Noskcaj> Although corsac isn't able to upload much ATM
[20:13] <Unit193> Please read scrollback either there or here, we asked him if he wanted it, he didn't really.
[20:14] <Unit193> I put it up on collab-maint in case someone else wants to adopt.
[20:15] <Unit193> ...Along with another package.
[20:21] <Noskcaj> Unit193, ok
[20:22] <Unit193> If he changes his mind, feel free to grab it and make the needed changes.
[20:31] <Unit193> (Actually, I think we asked about it and discussed it when you weren't here, give me a sec.)
[20:32] <Unit193> There's the backlog. :P
[20:33] <Noskcaj> thanks
[20:33] <Noskcaj> in my experience, corsac will let anything xfce related into pkg-xfce as long as someone maintains it other than him
[20:34] <ochosi> well that's usually the crucial question, who the hell will maintain software X
[20:35] <Unit193> As long as it's not svn or bzr, I'm fine with maintaining it for a bit.
[20:35] <knome> ochosi, tut tut
[20:35] <Noskcaj> Unit193, svn. But i'd be willing to help too
[20:37] <ochosi> knome: is it a train?
[20:40] <Unit193> Yeah, I know svn even less than bzr.
[20:41] <Noskcaj> Unit193, It's pretty much "always online" vcs
[20:41] <Noskcaj> It's main issue is the "add" mechanic is pretty dumb
[20:42] <knome> ochosi, yes, a train telling you to behave ;)
[20:42] <Unit193> I've also found the power of gbp. >_>
[20:42] <Unit193> knome: It's the Purdue train!
[20:43] <knome> Unit193, WWHHHA?
[20:44] <ochosi> knome: wait, did i hurt your religious feelings by drawing on the christian concept of "hell" for a comparison? :)
[20:45] <knome> ochosi, woah, that's a bit too thick ;)
[20:45] <knome> even i wouldn't go that far 
[20:46] <knome> just think that kind of language isn't needed here
[20:46] <knome> (do i ever tell you off in #shimmer?)
[20:48] <knome> hmm
[20:48] <ochosi> tbh i'm happy you're still the language police here, i wouldn't apply for that job
[20:49] <ochosi> feeling some post-xpl relaxation already?
[20:50] <knome> there *is* still a way to trigger the window transparency change
[20:50] <knome> horizontal scroll
[20:51]  * Unit193 turns his mouse sideways.
[20:52] <knome> ahah.
[20:52] <knome> easy to trigger on a touchpad that does two-finger scrolling
[20:57] <ochosi> knome: yeah, actually happens to my gf from time to time and it's annoying
[20:57] <ochosi> if you ask me, there should be at least a hidden option to disable it
[21:06] <knome> can definitely agree
[21:06] <knome> the current option to disable it includes disabling the compositor...
[23:26] <pleia2> forgot to update the wiki page for our meeting, so just updated Processes page to mention that's a chair responsibility
[23:28] <pleia2> also, as far as money goes, it would be great to print up 14.04 flyers for loco events we do and stuff
[23:29] <knome> worksforme, as long as i get approval of the team and the final ACK from ochosi, i'll paypal money by request
[23:30] <pleia2> I think we still have to work on making them line up for printing right though, right?
[23:30] <knome> yeah.
[23:30] <knome> i shall look at that when... i'm in a place with a printer and some time to sit down
[23:30] <pleia2> well, I'll add the flyer thing to the agenda tomorrow so we can approve it and sort out printer later
[23:30] <knome> goodie
[23:31] <pleia2> hm, put under discussion?
[23:31] <knome> yep
[23:31] <pleia2> ty
[23:32] <knome> that's the section for all new items
[23:32] <knome> (and carried on)