[21:11] <mgrandi> is there a global option for bazaar to not output anything to stdout?
[21:22] <bsd> -q / --quiet ?
[22:58] <mgrandi> Yeah, but that wasn't working bsd, i think there is just a bug in how bazaar calls the ssh program , leading to me getting "stty: standard input: inappropriate ioctl for device' from the remote ssh server and then that causes output which makes pythonw.exe break
[23:06] <fullermd_> That's probably something from the shell rc file that isn't checking that it has a terminal before doing terminal stuff.
[23:07] <mgrandi> where is that configured? my server is just like, a stock ubuntu server
[23:08] <mgrandi> cause it only happens if i use an external ssh, (bzr uses 'ssh' on mac, windows i was using plink), using paramiko its fine
[23:14] <fullermd_> Dunno.  You might find it by inspection, or trigger it manually and start dumping debug printfs around 'till you narrow it down.
[23:14] <fullermd_> (well, debug echos)
[23:14] <fullermd_> Probably the former of course, since you pretty well know it's a stty call.
[23:14] <mgrandi> ugnnnnn
[23:15] <mgrandi> well at least windows works fine with paramiko now, so i guess i can just use that