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Guest95024anyone here?13:43
FekonjaYes :)13:44
RonsalasI´m from costa rica13:44
belkinsaYes, but it starts in 14 minutes13:44
belkinsa15*13:44
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i_need_a_nickI'm from India....13:44
belkinsaUSA13:44
i_need_a_nickHi guys..13:45
i_need_a_nickanyone using UT now?13:47
belkinsaUT?13:47
i_need_a_nickUbuntu Touch?13:48
i_need_a_nick:)13:48
belkinsaI did once but never liked it.13:48
justCarakasI use it, on nexus 4 and 713:48
i_need_a_nickit looked awesome in the demo versions... not that pretty now...13:49
i_need_a_nickjust my opinion13:49
i_need_a_nickhaven't used myself13:49
belkinsaI agree, it's really just meant for developers13:49
i_need_a_nickjustCarakas: is it stable enough for daily use?13:50
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belkinsaT minus 10.13:50
belkinsa;)13:50
i_need_a_nick:D :)13:50
belkinsaIs there a way to juts listen to the stream?13:51
belkinsajust*13:51
justCarakasi_need_a_nick: I sometimes use it for a day, but on my phone I have a dual boot because I need something to be able to text from my computer and thats not in there yet13:51
justCarakasbut all the basics are stable13:52
i_need_a_nickgood to know that... :)13:52
justCarakasalso depends on if you use devel or 14.0413:52
i_need_a_nickmakes me wanna try it out13:52
justCarakasits really wurth it13:52
belkinsaDual-booting is the way to go for the ptablet13:53
bubaithis is owasome13:53
bubailove13:53
i_need_a_nickhow do apps like 2048 work... I mean wont it conflict with global swipe gestures?13:53
i_need_a_nick5 mins :)13:54
justCarakasthe global swipe gestures only work if you start completely from the side13:55
justCarakashaven't had any problems with that13:55
i_need_a_nickgr8.. :)13:55
i_need_a_nickanytime now..13:56
Toto72France13:57
CyanoTexHey, guys.13:57
grazyHi all13:57
belkinsao/13:57
i_need_a_nickyo!!!13:57
CyanoTexDon't trust carriers. Buy your Android phone directly from Google, or if you're tech savvy, install Cyanogen.13:57
i_need_a_nickmoto x sweet :)13:58
grazyone plus one is sic13:58
i_need_a_nickjustCarakas: will facebook app work?14:00
asaco/14:00
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belkinsaI see you!14:00
i_need_a_nickyay!!!14:00
ahayzen\o/14:00
xCloudxcan see14:00
justCarakasI've used the fb app, and it worked for me14:00
rickspencer3o/14:00
Toto72\o/14:00
UltrasonicPanasoHi14:00
belkinsahttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/ guys14:01
* balloons waves14:01
* nik90 waves back14:01
OnePlusOneOnePlusOne support ubuntu phone os ? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase :(14:01
jcastrohi everyone!14:01
a123hi all14:01
rickspencer3hi jcastro14:01
a123+114:01
i_need_a_nickmiss jono..14:01
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vasil_i_need_a_nick mee to14:02
GazalHello..Everyone14:02
i_need_a_nickhi14:02
alanbhas it started yet?14:02
i_need_a_nickyep14:02
alanburl for the video stream?14:03
i_need_a_nickhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22292/intro-and-keynotes/14:03
alanbthyx14:03
justCarakasI also miss jono, but michael hall is also nice14:03
i_need_a_nickagree :)14:04
anditalisman:D14:04
vasil_What about the Q&A14:06
* i_need_a_nick grabs some popcorn...14:06
i_need_a_nickhow do i ask a question?14:08
nik90i_need_a_nick: append the question with "QUESTION"..however do note that this is a plenary14:08
i_need_a_nickthannq14:09
* belkinsa is one of the track leads (Community)14:11
mhall119thanks justCarakas :)14:11
asacecho :)14:11
asacbetter now14:12
justCarakasmhall119: you're welcome :)14:12
ki7yyWell done Michael Hall14:12
nik90hey belkinsa14:12
i_need_a_nickwow!!!14:12
SupaShangnice14:12
belkinsao/ nik9014:12
evaristehi, I cannot login in the summit website or the pads. I get an error message "An attribute required for logging in was not returned (nickname)."14:13
nik90wow I see a updates scope..pretty cool14:13
mhall119evariste: do you have a Launchpad profile?14:13
belkinsaDo you have a LP account and a Ubuntu SSO acount?14:13
evaristeyes14:13
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i_need_a_nickwill there be another try at ubuntu edge in future?14:14
evaristeI have an account at https://login.ubuntu.com/ but there is no 'nickname field in the personal details page'14:14
vasil_WILL YOU ANSWER QUETIONS14:15
belkinsavasil_, not in this session, only in non-pelenary session14:15
mhall119vasil_: not during the plenary, everything we talk about here will be discussed in more detail during other sessions14:15
justCarakasvasil_: don't caps everything :)14:15
i_need_a_nickit's rude ti use CAPS14:15
mhall119vasil_: save your questions for those sessions and presenters, they'll be able to give you better answers anyway14:15
justCarakasthe correct form is QUESTION: will you answer question vasil_14:16
nik90+114:16
vasil_ justCarakas  I WONT STOP14:16
belkinsaevariste, you need to set up your Launchpad account correctly with a name and a username14:16
i_need_a_nicki don't want sidestage on desktop version..14:18
evaristebelkinsa, where can I do that?14:19
xnoxi_need_a_nick: well split / multiscreen14:19
i_need_a_nickmust be an option... not default..14:20
vasil_I hope that unity 8 wont go the windows path14:20
i_need_a_nickagree14:20
justCarakasi_need_a_nick: the sidescreenis normally only used when you have a phone app that doesn't expend nicely on tablet, I gues desktop will be something like that14:20
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ogra_i_need_a_nick, why would you not want the sidestage on desktop ?14:20
belkinsaevariste, go on the home page of launchpad and on the right hand comer there should be log out botton.14:21
belkinsaOn the left should be your name and username14:21
belkinsaThat you can click on14:21
i_need_a_nicki thought the phone apps would resize itself on desktop... like the UT file manager..14:21
ogra_not plain phone-only apps14:21
mhall119i_need_a_nick: they will if the developer tells them how14:21
mhall119not all apps make sense to scale over a wide screen though14:22
evaristebelkinsa, yes14:22
ogra_there will be converged apps and apps that are only designed for phones14:22
ogra_and for these you want the sidestage14:22
i_need_a_nickoh ok.. :)14:22
mhall119think of the Empathy contacts list window, you don't want that to scale out wide, the side-stage gives you a more functional place to doc that14:22
nik90i_need_a_nick: well if the app doesn't have a desktop mode, then stretching it to cover the entire screen will result in poor user experience14:22
i_need_a_nickmhall119: so in that case, can i use whatsapp on desktop?14:23
jcastromhall119, is there a list of apps in the click store like rick mentioned?14:23
mhall119i_need_a_nick: you already can on Ubuntu desktop14:23
mhall119jcastro: which ones?14:23
i_need_a_nicki mean... the convergent app...14:24
jcastromhall119, just a list of what's available14:24
mhall119jcastro: available for the desktop, or the phone?14:24
jcastroI know not many are available for the desktop, so I guess phone14:24
mhall119you can use the phone :)14:25
justCarakaswho's mouse is scrolling soo loudly14:25
mhall119or the emulator14:25
mhall119beuno's team is working on a public-facing website for the click store14:25
jcastromhall119, yeah but is there like a web page or front end that shows all the apps?14:25
jcastrosort of like apps.ubuntu.com14:25
bregmajust a note: Rick is talking about the Unity 8 desktop PREVIEW, not the final desktop Unity 8 experience14:25
mhall119jcastro: coming soon14:25
jcastrooh ok, so it doesn't exist yet14:25
belkinsajustCarakas, Rick's I think.14:25
mhall119jcastro: not yet, but its on the list and being worked on14:26
belkinsajustCarakas, could be a mouse or something else though.  ;)14:26
ki7yyGood presentation Rick!14:26
jcastro\o/ server! No slides!14:26
bmullanis someone recording these preso's so they will be available later?14:26
i_need_a_nickrick good one..14:26
nik90lol14:26
mhall119jcastro: server guys are always doing live things on the fly14:26
jcastrobmullan, each session is recorded14:26
mhall119you brave people14:26
ogra_jcastro, no goatee in the whole set of speakers either !14:27
rickspencer3hi all14:27
jcastromhall119, we just do it without GUIs14:27
nik90bmullan: these are hangouts on air, so they will be available on youtube14:27
mhall119jcastro: Juju GUI says otherwise :)14:27
jcastrotouche`14:27
rickspencer3note that the sidestage can already be hidden on the tablets, so ... it's already optional :)14:27
i_need_a_nickmhall119: how's mir now? :)14:27
vasil_Terminal makes you look smart14:27
i_need_a_nick:D14:27
mhall119i_need_a_nick: there's a session later where the Mir engineers will be talking about that, they can answer you better than I14:28
i_need_a_nickthank u.. :)14:28
therealmarvyes! Docker inside Juju... would push Juju forward... Docker community is exploding currently.14:28
jcastrotherealmarv, there's a prototype here: https://github.com/bcsaller/juju-docker14:29
pmatulisbry14:30
pmatulisoops14:30
belkinsapmatulis, hey.  COming to the around tbale for the Doc Team>14:30
belkinsatable*14:30
i_need_a_nickmhall119: will there be ways in which i can theme UT like customs docks and stuff?14:30
pmatulisbelkinsa: yeah.  this UDS snuck up on me.  i wanted to plan a serverguide thingy14:31
therealmarvThanks jcastro. I've seen that. Thanks. Should be more developed/pushed I'm just saying ;)14:31
belkinsaOkay, just wondering14:31
jcastroyeah, you're preaching to the choir there, heh14:31
belkinsapmatulis, I think it did on everyonbe.14:31
belkinsa;)14:31
mhall119i_need_a_nick: that's more of a question about Unity8 and Mir, and agian there are going to be more detailed sessions on those later14:31
jcastrotherealmarv, kapil is at dockercon right now talking to people14:31
i_need_a_nickmhall119: good.. and on a side note.. u guys r doing a gr8 job.. :)14:33
rickspencer3hi all, I'll be happy to take session too14:33
rickspencer3you don't have to wait until summits or anything to talk :)14:33
therealmarvjcastro: cool! :)14:34
rickspencer3o/14:34
balloonsI'm happy to help anyone who wants to run a session in the users track :-)14:34
mhall119thanks i_need_a_nick14:34
i_need_a_nick:)14:35
nik90I am one of the track leads for App Dev..ping me if you need help guys14:35
i_need_a_nickbye..14:35
i_need_a_nicknik90: when is the next session? url pls14:42
nik90i_need_a_nick: here is a schedule of all sessions for today http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/2014-06-10/14:42
i_need_a_nickthanq :)14:42
nik90i_need_a_nick: welcome ;)14:42
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belkinsamhall119, does this look right: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22284/introduction-to-lubuntu/14:46
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N1cka14:55
pmatulisb14:56
belkinsac14:56
mhall119belkinsa: looks right to me14:59
mhall119belkinsa: did you add the hangout URL to summit?15:00
belkinsaNo, it's a two person presentation.15:00
belkinsadholbach knows15:00
mhall119ok15:00
dholbachmhall119, yes, looks all right :)15:01
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alimejrihello i have a cumputer lenovo g580 a i have problem with wifi in ubuntu 12.04 i want ask you that fix in this version ?15:28
belkinsaplease ask in #ubuntu that is our support channel, alimejri.15:28
alimejriok am sorry !15:29
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CodePulsarOpenID redirection loop when tryng to open Notes in a new window16:10
belkinsamhall119, ^^^16:10
mhall119CodePulsar: hmm, that's between Ubuntu SSO and Etherpad, I'm afraid I'm of no help there, try joining #canonical-sysadmins and asking for help there16:12
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CodePulsarAfter I authorize the pad I get a page with "Authorization is required to access <URL HERE>" "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."16:12
mhall119CodePulsar: oh, try closing that tab and re-opening16:12
mhall119CodePulsar: have you join ~ubuntu-etherpad on Launchpad?16:12
CodePulsarI've tried to logout/login close/open tabs16:12
CodePulsarmhall119: no16:12
belkinsaClear chace?16:13
mhall119CodePulsar: ah, that's the problem then16:13
mhall119you're logged in, but don't have the right team permissions to open it16:13
mhall119CodePulsar: go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad and request to join that team16:14
CodePulsarmhall119: alright, thanks, that might be it16:14
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GanaXEhello16:30
NerdPickerMikGreetings all!16:30
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juliobettalets see what's the new promise.16:31
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Moondeckhello world16:42
Moondeckare we going to be able to ask Mark Shuttleworth a question on this IRC?16:42
belkinsaMoondeck, nope not for plenary sessions16:43
pjarmstrongHey we're getting quite the roster going!!16:44
Moondeckwhat does it mean?16:44
belkinsaDuring plenary sessions, users can ask questions since these questiosn could be covered in one of the other seesions16:45
belkinsasession*16:45
i_need_a_nickwill there be any new announcements from mark? ;)16:45
Moondeckk16:45
belkinsaIt's all in the intro to UOS that was done two hours ago.16:45
i_need_a_nickguys... help me find a nick..16:47
MoondeckDoge16:47
belkinsai_need_a_nick, you have one!  A cleaver one!16:48
i_need_a_nickbelkinsa: looks dumb though :P16:48
schareli_need_a_nick: you can get this one: [nick]16:48
belkinsai_need_a_nick, I think not compared to Guest774916:48
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scharelhaha16:49
lightbringerfirst thing that came to my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiOylPbfV016:49
[nick]scharel: not that funny though... :(16:49
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i_need_a_nickI guess belkinsa is right... This is a cool nick.. :)16:50
i_need_a_nickanyone here tried meizu hands-on with UT?16:53
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ddybingReally excited right now.16:57
linuxalex82me too16:57
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rrohdeeverytime Mark says "JuJu", you have to drink a shotglass of Vodka ;)16:57
ddybingHas the stream started yet?16:58
mhall119not yet16:58
ml2mstWaiting for Mark to show up any time soon ;-)16:58
ddybing:-)16:59
mahdifaHi eveyone16:59
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Baldayhi16:59
ddybingHi there16:59
arielcrHi from Costa Rica!16:59
ml2mstIs this Channel only for Ubuntu Devs?16:59
BinaryFeelingsSup m8''s16:59
ddybingNo, I don't think so. I'm not a dev.16:59
mhall119ml2mst: it's for the summit event, everybody is welcome, but it'll be dead next week :)16:59
BinaryFeelingsIts almost time! Oh god ! This is exiting !!!17:00
joefThat timezone is that keynote in?17:00
ml2mstThanks mhall119 ;-)17:00
belkinsaUTC17:00
belkinsait should start soon17:00
ddybingI hope so.17:00
cirovladimirwhat to expect?17:00
linuxalex82i don't even know the topic. Can anyone tell me?17:01
JulietHas begun??17:01
belkinsaKeynote by Mark Shuttleworth17:01
Z00Hello, how many mins to start ?17:01
Darkness85Expectativa al máximo...17:01
maestro_Ubuntu summit is a little cheapo compared to the others17:01
maestro_and I like it17:01
JulietI hope for Ubuntu phones!17:01
PavelSNAlguien sabe el tema?17:01
BinaryFeelingsJajajaj17:01
Julietand maybe evening tablets?17:01
belkinsamaestro_, because we only had two weeks to plan for it17:02
BinaryFeelingsEs una charla amigo17:02
Darkness85Espero que sea sobre Ubuntu Phone17:02
dobeythere are other online summits?17:02
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i_need_a_nickUbuntu Edge v2 hopefully :)17:02
Caeossif it works well on a raspberry Pi ill be happy17:02
BinaryFeelingsVa a ser una plactica en general supongo17:02
dobeysecond life doesn't count17:02
JulietI think we get news of ubuntu edge 2 yes17:02
belkinsaWhere is he?17:02
BinaryFeelingsUbuntu Phone works well on my samsung ac plus17:02
donnihwy17:02
donniapt-get update :D17:03
Caeosshow much time?17:03
JulietCaeoss: 2 mins17:03
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Caeossthanks Juliet17:03
Guest36024will this go into security nsa shit17:03
belkinsa...17:03
BinaryFeelings....17:03
Julieti know not .... ??17:03
Z00ZWhat time iy will start, how many mins to go ?17:03
Darkness85quiero probar Ubuntu Phone  en Samsung Galaxy Note 317:03
belkinsaNo thanks, no stream no fun17:03
ddybingHere we go17:04
dholbachyou're live!17:04
Julietis not like apple event? no stage?17:04
donnihere we go17:04
ogra_seeing you17:04
maestro_Ubuntu smooth on pi, life is beautiful17:04
menazyblacki got ubuntu since a couple of months and all i gotta say its the best os ive ever had17:04
donnibuffering -__-17:04
menazyblackhail to the king!17:04
Guest36024security17:04
i_need_a_nickhi mark :)17:04
temphelphello everybody17:04
slimyseaelephantMark the Man!17:04
ddybingHi there. Nice to see you.17:04
ml2mstThere he is, more handsome then ever \o/17:04
ivo_xavierbring back jono bacon17:04
vasil_QUESTION:Why didnt you lock jono in a basement17:04
menazyblackubuntu is the future of OS's!17:05
slimyseaelephantI love Unity!17:05
Wissemhii all :D17:05
Guest36024i have kubuntu17:05
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i_need_a_nickmenazyblack17:05
Qanari[QUESTION] When can I see the Ubuntu Phone? The actual hardware from Canonical?17:05
Darkness85I love Ubuntu17:05
Z00Zubuntu 12.10 is ok , i tried version 14 but it has a lot of bugs , driver and Audio17:06
i_need_a_nicku r right17:06
menazyblacki prefer ubuntu GNOME over unity17:06
AG_60I'm pretty sure the Ubuntu Phone isn't happening, Kickstarter campaign failed17:06
JulietI hope ubuntu phone supports android!!  in the play store17:06
menazyblacklets see how unity will develop though!17:06
boxtropicaUbuntu phone is happening, AG.17:06
ogra_Qanari, in a few months17:06
belkinsavasil_, ...17:06
zygaQUESTION: how can we ensure we don't wipe out existing desktop applications (prevent them from running in the future) as we're going forward towards our converged desktop-and-beyond platform17:06
i_need_a_nickboxtropica: but Ubuntu Edge i ask..17:06
vasil_QUESTION:Multiplatform sdk?17:06
boxtropicaYes!17:07
zoomer296they're still releasing Ubuntu touch.17:07
boxtropicaGet it to those OEMs!17:07
Z00Zwe want to help Ubuntu grow on tablet and Mobiles , I suggest Ununtu to partner with Mobile handset companies17:07
slimyseaelephantUbuntu really needs better development tools17:07
maestro__ubuntu edge campaign was lauched 1-2 year too early, market was not ready17:07
boxtropicaZ00Z they already have.17:07
ogra_Z00Z, thats what we do17:07
AG_60Exactly I agree, market was not ready at all17:07
i_need_a_nickphonebloks anyone?17:07
Julietubuntu showdown only have like 16 entries. very slow developer support17:07
Z00ZUbuu store for Mobile touch will be the key to attract users17:08
maestro__but still ubuntu edge type of computing is the future17:08
Julietmaestro_: don't like wires17:08
FuldaI want Ubunte EDGE!!!17:08
i_need_a_nickFulda: me too17:08
maestro__no wires needed with ubuntu edge17:08
boxtropicaOh, yes.17:08
AG_60ughh convergence...17:09
dobeyeveryone needs some wires for something17:09
maestro__charge wireless / video wireless / keyb- mous wireless17:09
Julietlike windows 8? oh no17:09
Qanari[QUESTION] Why don't you create a MOOC for Ubuntu? I'd love to write an application as a very very normal user.17:09
JulietTRADITIONAL DESKTOP plz thx17:09
AG_60I feel like Ubuntu users don't care/want convergence its unnecessary and bogs down the system experience17:09
boxtropicaI'm spending too much time making my application look nice... But, I'm Mark's words, "Beauty is a feature."17:09
ml2mstThis is the interesting stuff. I disliked the Unity 8 preview17:09
boxtropicaUnity 8 didn't work for me...17:09
i_need_a_nicki hate gtk...17:10
boxtropicaAlthough my laptop was made for Ubuntu... (System 76)17:10
i_need_a_nickit's ugly17:10
ogra_Juliet, we develop ubuntu on ubuntu ... nobody wants to use a touch interface for that ;)17:10
dobeylol17:10
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menazyblackmark unity is great but it needs more programming investment, gnome is still more of an eye candy, unity is faster17:10
ml2mstboxtropica neither for me, but it's only a preview17:10
AG_60roooters lol17:10
juliolzokhi17:11
boxtropicaRooters... :p17:11
ivo_xavierbring back jono bacon17:11
HenryStivenshi17:11
Joe_B1@AG_60, yeah, at first I thought he meant trojans or something.17:11
dobeythis isn't really the forum to make random complaints17:11
AG_60@Joe right?17:11
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juliolzoki want a Canonical CM17:11
Joe_B1@AG_60, hmm?17:11
slimyseaelephanthackery on the weekends - great band name17:11
maestro__ubuntu one == cloud17:12
AG_60@dobey, forum becomes whatever the plurality decides, especially one without moderators xD17:12
dobeyno17:12
Julietless clouds more phones LOL17:12
_3vi1_That's amazing numbers.17:12
menazyblackcongrats!17:12
AG_60@Joe, I was just agreeing with your comment haha17:12
i_need_a_nicki want ubuntu one cloud... it should come back..17:12
Julieti_need_a_nick: it was slow17:12
maestro__other distros are not competition17:13
i_need_a_nickJuliet: nope.. It wasn't competitive enough..17:13
HenryStivensUbuntu One Ubuntu One17:13
siddhantwhat's openstack?17:13
Julietwhat is openstack?17:13
menazyblackdie ms die apple... ubuntu is the next to come *!#§17:14
mhall119start your questions with QUESTION please, otherwise they might be missed17:14
Joe_B1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstack17:14
i_need_a_nickJuliet: stuff I don't understand... but hear it a lot often...17:14
CaeossQUESTION Is ubuntu more efficient then windows?17:14
alanovskihttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Main_Page17:14
_3vi1_Forget UbuntuOne, it's done.  Move on, and let Canonical concentrate their focus.17:14
siddhantQUESTION what is openstack?17:14
AG_60^LOL17:14
zoomer296I wonder if they're releasing Ubuntu for android soon.17:14
AG_60True though, many of us don't care about OpenStack17:14
jcastrohttp://www.openstack.org/17:14
menazyblacka server solution17:14
dobeyzoomer296: no17:14
Julietzoomer296: I hear is not happening now17:14
dshimerQUESTION: Does the cloud and openstack development lead to revenue streams, and how?  Is it support contracts, licensing, paid development?17:14
i_need_a_nickno questions for this session i believe...17:14
maestro__Caeoss, of couse, especially to your wallet17:14
guest32489127304[QUESTION] Are there any design mockups for the new converged unity8 desktop? You were speaking about your conversations with the design team earlier17:15
mhall119don't wait until the end either, ask your questions as you think of them17:15
menazyblackterrorkom LOL17:15
AG_60I like how Wikipedia was probably the first enterprise using Ubuntu and it's in the middle after Comcast :/17:15
lazyPoweryay i see CMU on that list!17:15
lazyPower\o/17:15
ogra_zoomer296, ubuntu on android is put to rest ... if a manufacturer asks for it they can partner with us though17:15
silverlionQUESTION: Will there any Cloud Environment like Ubuntu One again?17:15
i_need_a_nickQUESTION can we expect the return of Ubuntu ONE cloud service?17:15
boxtropicaWikipedia uses Ubuntu?17:16
boxtropicaHuh.17:16
maestro__we need more ubuntu at the nsa,with backdoors :)17:16
menazyblackthere should be an ubuntu phone with some kind of gnome environment like ubuntu GNOME17:16
boxtropicaThat's a wonderful idea, maestro__!17:16
i_need_a_nicksilverlion: u read my mind lol :)17:16
Julieti don't understan these talk??17:16
dobeymenazyblack: build one then :)17:16
siddhanthttps://www.filepicker.io/api/file/VGhwTAryRFW404ljYqf517:16
Z00ZCan Ubuntu partner with one tablet manufacturer to bring some low cost tablet17:16
menazyblackim a starting programmer17:16
Julieti hear ubuntu edge phone be announced17:16
menazyblacki dont have any idea to do that yet17:16
menazyblack:-P17:17
boxtropicaBe patient, Z00Z!17:17
boxtropicaRumours.17:17
ivo_xavierbring back jono bacon and U1,17:17
AG_60Ubuntu needs to partner with Amazon. A new OS on their Kindle devices will be a gamechanger17:17
menazyblackis it possible though?17:17
fagis it just me or is ubuntu poorly optimized for AMD machines?17:17
siddhanthttps://www.filepicker.io/api/file/WgbHYSvqTMGXm5jEKiMc17:17
ogra_menazyblack, sure17:17
boxtropicaWell, it is.17:17
AG_60i feel like everything is poorly optimized for AMD machines17:17
maestro__Amazon is evil17:17
i_need_a_nickQUESTION how will ubuntu prevent fragmentation that is a problem in android?17:17
siddhantSWIFT!!!!!!!!!!!17:17
Julietfag: your name offensse!!17:17
fag:p17:17
menazyblackGREAT!!!!17:17
Z00Zlets build something special for Ubuntu, applications for Doctors, Engineers, application for Maps , lets attract more users17:17
siddhanthttps://www.filepicker.io/api/file/AvtuEc7SBiP8fhw1tAod17:17
mattywThere was a great session on lxc just now if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVIwLEnnXzw&feature=youtu.be17:17
ogra_Z00Z, dont hold back !!!17:17
CaeossQUESTION will being a gamer on ubuntu be less of a limiting factor any time soon?17:18
AG_60@fag everyone click his name on the right and hit ignore.17:18
Julietwhy no one build app for ubuntu phone?? app showdown contest have few entry17:18
AG_60We don't tolerate hatred or slurs for any reason for any kind17:18
jcastroCaeoss, yes of course, there's a bunch of games being announced for linux now17:18
boxtropicaA dentristry I went to today had Macs- and guess what? They dual booted Windows on them. Yea. Every time they had to do something THEY RESTARTED THE COMPUTER.17:18
ogra_Caeoss, dont you think it is already with steam offering most games for it ?17:18
menazyblacki would prefer an ubuntu phone over my apple iphone 5 immediatly.17:18
dobeyAG_60: what do you have against cigarettes?17:18
Julietis game for LINUX not game for UBUNTU17:18
Caeossi am a bit out of the loop i'm afraid17:18
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Will Jono Bacon come back?17:18
ogra_Juliet, http://developer.ubuntu.com/pioneers/17:18
Caeossjust questions...17:18
boxtropicaNo, Jono won't.17:19
boxtropica:c17:19
dobeymenazyblack: buy a nexus 4, install ubuntu.17:19
Joe_B1@mattyw thanks.  If I'm an active user of amazon ec2, how does docker vs lxc vs hypervisor affect me as a cloud user vs cloud provider?17:19
i_need_a_nicksad..17:19
Julietogra_: thx17:19
dshimerQUESTION: When you talk about "partners" what might that mean from a practical basis?  What are some hypothetical examples of what a partnership between Canonical and another major player may mean in every day life?17:19
menazyblackwhich image file? a regular ubuntu?17:19
Julietogra_: oh most those app i try they website not app :(17:19
maestro__ubuntu can also thank steam for thes good usage numbers17:19
Julietmaestro__: yes17:20
ogra_Juliet, yes, once the phones are actually out there we will likely see more developer adoption17:20
_3vi1_Gaming on Linux == Gaming on Ubuntu.  The ball's in Valve's court.17:20
Julietogra_: yes :D17:20
fagdag ewout17:20
BinaryFeelingsI have a question. When Ubuntu will be easy again to install on Windows 8? Make it compatible with UEFI?17:20
DennisWUHUWhat is the topic of the keynote? Ubuntu Phone?17:20
mattywJoe_B1, I don't know enough to answer that question - I'm just getting started with containers myself17:20
ogra_DennisWUHU, ubuntu as a whole17:20
ml2mstQUESTION will Unity 8 replace Unity 7 on Utopic Unicorn or will it be an optional test bed?17:20
JulietDennisWUHU: yes he announce new ubuntu edge i hear17:20
ogra_DennisWUHU, it started with desktop and phones ...17:20
dholbachml2mst, the latter17:20
ivo_xavierubuntu, is the apple killer. for sure17:20
CodePulsarIn London it is GMT + 1 or GMT+ 0 right now?17:21
joseJuliet: please, don't spread false information17:21
faglondon is gmt+017:21
joseCodePulsar: london is GMT+1 atm17:21
Julietjose: is false?? i hear i only say i hear17:21
fagno its not??17:21
CodePulsar jose British Standard Time?17:21
ahayzenCodePulsar, we are in 'british summer time' so GMT+1 at the moment17:21
maestro__is this recorded?17:21
fagah so ok...17:21
dholbachmaestro__, yes17:21
boxtropicaUbuntu was pretty popular before Steam on Linux...17:21
Caeosswhat does he mean by distributed systems hahah17:21
dobeysystems which are distributed17:22
maestro__everything is recorded on the web 2.0 :)17:22
menazyblackhail to the king baby17:22
Julietboxtropica: i read steam on linux numbers keep going down is sad :(17:22
Caeossamazing dobey17:22
highvoltageyou take a system, then you apply a giant pancake roller to it, then it's more distributed17:22
boxtropicaThat is pretty sad :c17:22
dshimerQUESTION: As an everyday desktop-only user, what are the most important technologies or systems in the hottest ecosystems (mobile, cloud) that will benefit me as they trickle down?17:22
Caeossthanks ;)17:22
ml2mstdholbach thank you. The preview is very unstable17:22
boxtropicaBut, I hope the numbers will increase as more games come to Linux and it gains more traction.17:22
Joe_B1dshimer html5 replacing flash17:22
Z00Z00Zwe need new version of Lubuntu , more reliable17:22
_3vi1_So hard to watch keynote with one eye and E3 livestream with other.17:22
JulietZ00Z00Z: i like lubuntu to17:22
temphelpwe love juju17:22
menazyblackplease don't quit releasing ubuntu GNOME17:23
Joe_B1(kind of unrelated to ubuntu, but huge user impact)17:23
i_need_a_nickQUESTION How will Ubuntu Touch cater to the need of Android users?17:23
Joe_B1QUESTION are the slides going to be posted?17:23
maestro__they need to fix all these names, you lose users only with these names17:23
ElVermaWindows? Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!17:23
BinaryFeelingsWhat about making Ubuntu work on UEFI? Its a big problem trying to install Ubuntu on Windows 8 pc17:23
dobeyi_need_a_nick: that's a very vague and non-answerable question17:23
ElVerma:-)17:23
dholbachml2mst, the focus is getting the phone images to manufacturers soon, what's happening with the unity8 session on the desktop is preparation for getting more bits for a converged desktop landed17:23
dholbachJoe_B1, the video will be online on youtube later on17:24
Julietml2mst: mark say beginning that tablet expand to desktop soon will be discuss this week!!17:24
Z00Z00ZWhat is attracting in Lubuntu is it can run more smoothly on low end device , if you manged to develope a touch version for that with attractive applications that will be great and you will take some market shares17:24
boxtropicaWow.17:24
boxtropicaEven PowerPC?17:24
ogra_menazyblack, as long as there is a team caring for it it will never be dropped ... join that team to make sure ;)17:24
TopNeddhey guys17:24
TopNeddjust joined in17:24
TopNeddhave i missed much17:24
ogra_boxtropica, even PPC6417:24
Z00Z00ZLubuntu for Mobile , Touch , this is what we need17:24
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Is there any benefit to Canonical by supporting more platforms on the cloud front?17:24
Julieti honest i remember mark used to stand on stage to speak not in living room17:25
_3vi1_ogra_: Comes in handy for managing all those PS3s.17:25
menazyblackdoes that mean i should join a mailing list? i was too lazy on the wiki to find a way17:25
menazyblackubuntu is the future!17:25
ogra__3vi1_, thats Cell, not plain PPC ...17:25
guest32489127304Idea for the Future of Ubuntu and "real" convergence17:25
dobeymenazyblack: s/future/now/17:25
ogra_we used to have PS3 images in the past though17:25
guest32489127304https://www.evernote.com/shard/s413/sh/1c95f6a9-467f-4530-a4dc-7937fb06901d/8d1c6f5f5725c0b17eabf11b39b5329917:25
_3vi1_*sigh*17:25
Julietogra_: i remember yellow dog!!17:25
ogra_Juliet, yeah :)17:26
dobeyogra_: back when sony actually allowed you to install an OS on ps3?17:26
ogra_dobey, right17:26
menazyblackgo on with steam regarding games, makes ubuntu a winner17:26
dobeyheh, YDL17:26
Julieti still not underastnd these words much :(17:26
dobey:(17:26
maestro__yes steam is a game changer17:26
Z00Z00ZInternet for Things is also an area where Ubuntu needs to invest in17:26
guest32489127304ZOOZOOZ https://www.evernote.com/shard/s413/sh/1c95f6a9-467f-4530-a4dc-7937fb06901d/8d1c6f5f5725c0b17eabf11b39b5329917:27
CaeossQUESTION as opensource freeware how did you guys get all the money to do all this?17:27
JulietZ00Z00Z: an the google glasses17:27
boxtropicaDonations, royalty per every Ubuntu device (Laptops, etc.) and others.17:27
JulietCaeoss: they not make money moment but loss :(17:27
pritz_0601QUESTION: The Phone page on the Ubuntu website says "Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, Evernote and Amazon will be available at launch." Does these mean Native Ubuntu SDK Apps and if so, how much progress have been made on this front? Thanks!17:27
ogra_Z00Z00Z, you wont run ubuntu on the "things" ... but you will need tools that manage them etc17:27
menazyblackQUESTION how is ubuntu GNOME doing will there be a future for it?17:27
Caeosshey17:28
Julietpritz_0601: they websites for moment i ask this to17:28
nik90mhall119: echo17:28
Caeossit sounds weird17:28
dholbachmhall119, there's echo from you17:28
ogra_mhall119, mute !17:28
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Isn't the recent release of OSX (Yosemite) a thing of concern for Ubuntu? Ubuntu os still developed at a slow pace..17:28
ogra_:)17:28
Julietno locking up in basement is not nice :(17:28
nshiellHi all17:28
nxvlmhall119: you are echoing17:28
Mak1337Hi17:28
joseWHAT. A. MIRACLE. nxvl on irc!17:28
vasil_QUESTION:Why did you name it unicorn17:29
dobeyi_need_a_nick: slow? release every 6 months is hardly slow17:29
ogra_nxvl, !!17:29
mdeslaurhi nxvl!17:29
o-madsenQUESTION: could you please make a homepage where users can submit what hardware can be used in ubuntu?17:29
JulietQUESTION: Is beeque phone CPU 4core or 8??17:29
ogra_Juliet, 417:29
Julietogra_: tq17:30
nshiellQUESTION: Does Firefox run on mir?17:30
nxvlogra_, mdeslaur hi :D17:30
awesomenickdo you have planed to make some design changes in Ubuntu ?17:30
i_need_a_nickdobey: unity has been in development since many releases... It still doesn't look complete..17:30
barryemacs will be fun :)17:30
dobeyogra_: i thought the bq phone was 2 core, and the meizu was 4 core?17:30
maestro__Mir on raspberry pi, FTW17:30
boxtropicaWell. I just had an accidental fan-girl outburst. Woops.17:30
nxvljose: i'm always on IRC, don't write much, but i read it17:30
dobeyi_need_a_nick: i can say the same thing about OSX :)17:30
the-illusionistQUESTION:why not a visit for tunisia  ?17:30
ogra_barry, ln -s /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/vim ...17:30
rrohdeQUESTION: Will Mir get support from NVIDIA and ATI to satisfy the growing Linux gaming market?17:30
josenxvl: and rant about messages17:30
ogra_barry, easily solved ;)17:30
QanariYES17:31
Qanarian online course17:31
nxvlmhall119: ^^17:31
menazyblackyes17:31
joebakerQUESTION - I envision the phone as a thin client, wishing to run applications from a terminal server for phone applications.17:31
Joe_B1QUESTION: how is cooperation between intel and video card manufacturers on the mir front?17:31
barryogra_: i'm not sure "solved" is the right word there :)17:31
menazyblackfast. secure. more pretty17:31
boxtropicaQUESTION: Even Libreoffice for every form factor...?17:31
ogra_joebaker, thats not really a question, is it ?17:31
JulietQUESTION: Will phone become desktop with wire? or wireless internets?17:31
FuldaQUESTION: Is chance, that Ubuntu EDGE will be released?17:32
_3vi1_MOOC == Massive Open Online Course17:32
zygaQUESTION: are we willing to allow the long tail of languages to be supported on our converged system, including the phone, as we are going forward or will we require particular technologies?17:32
Caeossvery nice17:32
linuxalex82my wish is an integrated ecosystem between dekstop, tablet and phone. Are we going in this direction?17:32
ogra_linuxalex82, yes17:32
ogra_thats exactly the plan of convergence17:32
hero1900if GTK apps will work in unity 8 how it will not break the look of the QML apps?17:32
nshielllinuxalex82 that is what they are aiming at17:32
boxtropicaYes, it is.17:32
Z00Z00ZThink about TV business, put Ubuntu OS there17:32
marcus_QUESTION: which ubuntu based kickstarter projects was marc talking about?17:32
dobeyhero1900: because gtk is not qml17:32
GuikiraIs there any cloud storage app in mind to replace U1 as default Ubuntu cloud drive?17:32
guest32489127304[QUESTION] Where can we see design UI mockups for unity8 on the desktop17:32
Julietmarcus_: i think unity pixel tablet?17:33
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ogra_guest32489127304, there arent any yet (i think)17:33
boxtropicaI like Mark's outlook on things...17:33
marcus_Juliet, ah great.17:33
Z00Z00Z@Juliet, Google Glass is for Google, it will always run Android, we need something special for Ubuntu17:33
dobeyGuikira: we aren't building any new replacement service for u1, no. you can use dropbox or whatever you prefer to use.17:33
ogra_guest32489127304, it will not look massively different to ubuntu desktop today though17:33
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Will traditional apps like GIMP and LibreOffice be rewritten to work from a phone? Is canonical considering this matter in it's roadmap?17:33
marcus_Juliet, do you got a link on that?17:34
Julieti_need_a_nick: good q17:34
i_need_a_nickJuliet: thanq :)17:34
vasil_QUESTION:Is cononical interested in hardware virtualization (cpu,gpu not only storage)17:34
nshielli_need_a_nick I hope so17:34
hero1900dobey i know at least it will break the usual look this will effect the phone experience alot if installed gtk apps on it17:34
rickspencer3i_need_a_nick, sabdfl already answered that17:34
ogra_i_need_a_nick, we wont rewrite them ... but on converged phones you can run them in desktop mode if you have them installed17:34
guest32489127304ogra_ really? the color scheme does not really fit with the phone and tablet. Also the current deskop looks somewhat "old" compared to the very modern phone/tablet17:34
DCWilliams_VAQUESTION: Do you see Canonical placing a focused effort on enterprise adoption with OpenStack over the next 18 months?17:34
donnispock?17:35
mergunQUESTION: Ubuntu One was recently taken out of commission. Do you have any plans to release the source code for it, and if so, when?17:35
ogra_guest32489127304, it will surely be modernized by the time unity8 becomes the default .... but it wont be massively different in concept ... the desktop will still be a desktop17:35
Julietmarcus_: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vixtel-unity-tablet17:35
fastforwardQUESTION: How does the popularity of enterprise level systems contribute to the development of the personal desktop?17:35
i_need_a_nickrickspencer3: where? i don't see it :/17:35
guest32489127304ogra_ I see. Was hoping to hear that ;-)17:35
ccvmark is like linus, but with a worse haircut17:35
nshiellccv guh?17:36
Qanari[QUESTION] There are a lot of online courses for android, which are targeted for normal and beginner programmers. Why don't you do a MOOC for Ubuntu application development?17:36
Z00Z00ZQuestion : can you develope a very light version of Ubuntu touch to work on old devices , we can offer people to install ubuntu on their old device, lets first attract users who are not familiar with Ubuntu17:36
rickspencer3i_need_a_nick, so, Mark's nick is "sabdfl", and he discussed a few minutes ago about how we are working on Mir end for Gtk and other application frameworks17:36
scharelQUESTION: Are the charms provided from Microsoft also opensource?17:36
Max_titherQUESTION: what do you think of Apple's take on convergence, Continuity? Also I think it would be nice to integrate some of the features in Ubuntu for the lower end devices.17:36
mergunQUESTION: Addendum to the previous Q of mine: were yo personally using Ubuntu One? Anyone in the Canonical team?17:36
maestro__QUESTION How is ubuntu doing in china, latest news?17:36
ogra_Z00Z00Z, and you expect them to be familiar with replacing their OS on the phone ? (or even have the balls)17:36
ArcheyScrotQUESTION: Will there ever be an Ubuntu competitor to Boot Camp? I think it would be very beneficial to users instead of having to use VMWare or Virtualbox to virtualize hardware resources.17:37
rickspencer3i_need_a_nick, that means that apps like Gimp could conceivable run from a phone ... the question would be if the upstreams make their UI work on a phone17:37
JulietQUESTION: Is canonical worry about chrombooks?17:37
maestro__QUESTION Your ubuntu edge solution is right on, but bad timing. Will you retry?17:38
i_need_a_nickmaestro__: +117:38
hero1900QUESTION: how a GTK app will be suiting the new qml apps ?? i think it will effect the coherence of user experience??17:38
Z00Z00ZSuggestion : can we do some change in Ubuntu OS to optimize the setting for Computer / tablet hardware, so it run faster17:38
ogra_Juliet, as much as we are worried about any other linux (no we arent)17:38
Z00Z00ZIf Ubuntu have this smart feature , everyone will use it17:38
dobeyZ00Z00Z: if you want something to be faster, the best thing to do is help work on making that thing faster17:39
Z00Z00Z@dobey , agree17:39
ogra_Z00Z00Z, if you have suggestions and specific code pieces for optimization feel free to drop a line on the ubuntu-phone mailing list17:39
Z00Z00Z@ogra, ok17:39
silverlionQUESTION: are you aware that using Dropbox means that you accept your documents to be opened and scanned?17:40
menazyblackdoes that mean that if i have an ubuntu phone i could install ubuntu with a different desktop environment? if so ubuntu will be a winner again, even though it's going to decrease the ci of unity and ubuntu17:40
nshiellQUESTION: what about the user story where people stream application output to a screen via a thin client like chromecast, vs pluging the whole phone/tablet into the screen17:40
highvoltage500 games17:40
dobeyhero1900: the UX will be no more different than it is now if you run qml apps under unity7, or gtk+ apps under kde, or similar17:40
nshiell*hope that doesnt sound to rude*17:40
highvoltage(as of last week I think)17:40
maestro__QUESTION Is there a patent on the ubuntu edge solution (ps I hate patents), but apple/google will copy for sure17:40
micah2Steam just hit 500 linux games17:40
ogra_nshiell, why would that sound rude ? ...17:40
ogra_:)17:40
micah2According to Chris Fisher at Jupiter Broadcasting17:40
ogra_nshiell, we will surely work on such technology once it is something mainstream ...17:41
nshiellogra_ question did sound a bit blunt17:41
Julietmaestro__: i think no cos motorola atriax was similar17:41
BOHverkill@SteamOnLinux: civ 5 is out for linux ;)17:41
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Since unity8 will be deep-rooted into Ubuntu, how can we then customize it with custom launchers like in Android?17:41
marko_sejicubuntu will not work on older phones with android17:41
Julieti_need_a_nick: you won't be able to on phone i read17:41
nshiellogra_ I would be excited to learn more about peoples thoughts on this17:41
dobeynshiell: steam on linux already does it17:41
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION: Will the software centre get any updates in unity 7 or will we have to wait for unity 817:42
SteveCiscoQUESTION When we will see a converged end user device (size of a smartphone, works like a smartphone, works like a desktop when docked with appropriate peripherals)17:42
ogra_nshiell, i'm still waiting for my airtame ... once i have it i will start playing with it ... even on the phone ;)17:42
Z00Z00Z@SteveCisco , great idea17:42
dobeymarko_sejic: it doesn't work on a lot of newer phones with android, either :)17:42
ogra_SteveCisco, once the HW is up to do that17:42
marko_sejicit figures17:43
ogra_SteveCisco, you want something that has the tech data of a laptop at least ... in the case of a phone (like ubuntu edge was)17:43
hero1900dobey yes but things with unity 8 is diffrent since the core apps will have ubuntu sdk qml look and the gtk will has totally diffrent look which can make the user very confused17:43
vasil_QUESTION:Will phone use opengl17:43
nshiellIt seems things like chromecast/pi are doing things at the application/protocal level rather than at the OS layer which Ubuntu is trying to do17:43
marko_sejici switched from ubuntu for pc long time ago it has become too resource heavy17:43
dobeyhero1900: it's exactly like running gtk+ apps under kde417:43
ogra_vasil_, only GLES ... we (have to) use the android graphics drivers17:43
SteveCiscoogra_ Hardware is there, I just want it now :)17:44
ogra_SteveCisco, make the HW vendors work with us then ;)17:44
menazyblackubuntu is way more resource saving than windows or apple17:44
boxtropica^^17:44
marko_sejici switched to Mint17:44
Julietmint is ubuntu17:44
ogra_not really17:44
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  Do Canonical make a mistake buy not partnering with the raspberry pi foundation?17:44
dobeymint is mint17:44
Julieti read that17:44
SteveCiscoogra_ PS, if the DC services are there then why can't a converged device use cloud compute in conjunction with local ?17:45
ojiiQUESTION with all this talk of convergence, cloud, openstack etc, what exciting things can I expect in the future as a desktop-only Ubuntu user?17:45
menazyblackill stick to ubuntu.17:45
vtintiI am crazy to see a replacement for X17:45
i_need_a_nickQUESTION Will Ubuntu deviate away from Android drivers and use it's own drivers?17:45
menazyblackcanonical is the only foundation that seems to get marketing right17:45
ogra_mrbrownstone3g, that would have meant to bring up a completely new arm port ... just for one device17:45
marko_sejicfirst i used mint based on ubuntu now i use LMDE17:45
nshiellUbuntu cant run on a pi, u can squeeze debian or XBMC17:45
dobeyi_need_a_nick: when it is feasible to do so, certainly17:45
menazyblackmint is going to looooooose anyways you'll see17:46
menazyblacknothing better than a distro of linux like ubuntu.17:46
ogra_mint is fine ... it is just for different users17:46
nshiellSooooooooo many desktop enviroments, you wait ages for one decent DE, then half a dozen appear at once ;)17:46
ogra_like other linuxes are for other different users17:46
menazyblackubuntu grows like ms or apple and will be the first linux distro to be like ms or apple17:47
menazyblackon the market place17:47
ogra_menazyblack, except that you can always grab the source :)17:47
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  What work has canonical done on libreoffice?17:47
dobeymrbrownstone3g: one of the libreoffice board members is the maintainer of libreoffice in ubuntu17:48
menazyblackmark your marketing is perfect you will have a lot of success with ubuntu17:48
awilkinsScience guys like Scientific Linux which is basically RHEL and they have big crunchy data sets... so supporting RHEL for OpenStack is a good idea from that POV.17:49
ml2mstojii now that's a great question, the desktop is what matters to me most as well ;-)17:49
ojiiml2mst, thanks. I really feel like the desktop is getting the short straw recently17:49
menazyblack:-D17:50
menazyblackthanks!17:50
boxtropicaQUESTION: With the passing of Ubuntu One, what is the future of Ubuntu account related services?17:50
ogra_ojii, unity8 will be an awesome desktop env ... i doubt you will see a lot new development on unity717:51
boxtropicaYes. Utopic Unicorn is the best name...17:51
i_need_a_nickQUESTION How low-end can ubuntu really touch?17:51
Joe_B1http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/17:51
boxtropicaUbuntu runs moderately well on 1 GB...17:51
ojiiogra_, that's what I'm mostly concerned about though. that unity8 will be mostly a mobile shell that sorta also works on a desktop17:51
ogra_ojii, but for example the system-image based upgrades will make sure your upgrades from release to release can not break ... and it will only take minutes17:51
barrythe real challenge will be the 16.04 LTS nick :)17:51
Z00Z00Zto attract users to migrate from Windows, lets build a recovery OS that you can put a pen drive and login to our webpage and press create recovery on pen drive, we can also offer people a tour on ubuntu from that webpage17:51
ojiiogra_, note I have not tried unity8 yet17:51
nshiellQUESTION: Is virtualbox certified hardware (for desktop). Ubuntu works poorly on virtualbox (no good 3d acceleration)17:52
zygaif someone want's to work on the certification front from community feel free to ping me17:52
ogra_ojii, yeah, you probably would be disappointed atm ... since it is focused on touch17:52
Z00Z00ZI know it is available but lets market it right, visit our webpage and create a revovery Os in 6 min on your pen drive17:52
ojiiogra_, which is why I don't look at it yet ;-)17:52
ogra_ojii, but there are many new features coming to the desktop from the phone17:52
swfiuaQUESTION: anyone here can help me building an open source community in Bermuda?17:52
ogra_like the system-image based installs17:52
dobeyZ00Z00Z: that is exactly what the ubuntu install image is. download the iso, shove it on a usb stick, and you've got that.17:53
Z00Z00Z@ orga, yes17:53
ogra_or being able to run your mobile apps on the desktop fully integtared etc17:53
ojiiogra_, awesome then! I really hope I'm wrong with my hunch that the desktop will be second class from now on17:53
awilkinsnshiell, I think that's more to do with the 3D support in the VirtualBox graphics driver than Ubuntu, but interaction between Unity devs and the VirtualBox devs might help17:53
ogra_ojii, it surely will be for a while until the convergence bit is finished17:53
dobeyojii: there is no desktop. there is only ubuntu :)17:53
Z00Z00Z@ dobey , it is there ,but we need to market it right , we offer them to visit the website and create it from there17:53
rrohdethanks. good to know about NVIDIA and ATI support.17:53
matt-mQUESTION: For cloud infrastructures and the roles of System Engineers shifting to more of a DevOp role, what scripting languages are preferred for administration and automation for the Ubuntu platform? Python?17:53
brakwhen we can expect ubuntu touch bq phone17:53
ojiidobey, exactly what i fear17:53
vasil_QUESTION"17:53
ogra_brak, autumn17:53
dobeyojii: fear is simply lack of understanding :)17:54
Z00Z00ZWe need people only to visit our facebook page and put a pen drive and press create rescue Pen drive17:54
vtintinoooo17:54
awilkinsdobey, Or an understanding that something is bad...17:54
dobeyawilkins: that is not fear17:54
Z00Z00ZSimplicity is the key of attracting new users , we need them first to try it then after to migrate17:54
maestro__that the missed opportunity of century17:55
awilkinsdobey, If I see a truck I don't walk in front of it because I fear to get squished....17:55
brakthanks ogra_17:55
nshiellawilkins your right, 3d acceleration with linux guests is very bad with virtualbox, it's a little better with VMWare fusion, which I have just bought as I need ubuntu on my mac17:55
ogra_awilkins, if you see somethign is ba, help fixing it ;)17:55
ogra_*bad17:55
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jimmy23QUESTION: if system updates work, as you say, why dropping support for old nexus devices, updatiing them should not be a problem17:55
PIM-ROMANIAWhat you say about China bans Windows in public institution?17:55
dobeyawilkins: that is wish, not fear.17:55
i_need_a_nickQUESTION r u planning to keep ur beard?17:55
awilkinsogra_, nshiell, I really don't have the experience to fix the 3D support for Unity in VirtualBox, alas....  I've contributed small things (like fixes to kernel audio drivers for real, not virtual hardware)17:56
owaisWhat is your opinion on CoreOS? Any plans on shipping a similar distribution of Ubuntu?17:56
owaisQUESTION What is your opinion on CoreOS? Any plans on shipping a similar distribution of Ubuntu?17:56
ogra_jimmy23, we use the android drivers ... even google dropped official support for old nexus17:56
guest32489127304QUESTION will there be QML Bindings for Python in the future? Python was the recommended Programming Language for Ubuntu not too long ago17:56
ogra_awilkins, well, filimg bugs is already a good start ;)17:57
dobeyguest32489127304: you can already control qml from within python with pyside17:57
nshiellQUESTION: In the long term do you thing the idea of installing a specific OS on end user hardware is dying out, and that focusing on preinstalling Ubuntu on devices is the future route?17:57
guest32489127304dobey can I write Ubuntu Phone Apps in Python then?17:58
Joe_B1Didn't know it was pronounced like that.17:58
nshiellguest32489127304 nice question17:58
dobeyguest32489127304: python is not an officially supported language for apps on the phone17:58
rodopQUESTION: How is Ubuntu working to improve the sound support , any alternatives of ALSA in future?17:58
dobeyguest32489127304: qml is also not a requirement for apps to work17:58
ogra_rodop, anything wrong with alsa ?17:58
barryguest32489127304: there's also pyotherside which is in the archive and has some folks excited about17:59
maestro__thanks for the update17:59
ogra_rodop, instead of moving to a new implementation from scratch fixing the existing one should be the target17:59
i_need_a_nickQUESTION now that ubuntu is aiming at the mainstream, will canonical provide certified courses for ubuntu development?17:59
guest32489127304I would love to be able to write Ubuntu Phone Apps in Python and use HTML5 for the UI17:59
PIM-ROMANIAQUESTION: What you say about China bans Windows 8 in public institution?17:59
dobeyguest32489127304: you can, but you may need to ship the python runtime in your app as well18:00
i_need_a_nickPIM-ROMANIA: nice question18:00
dobeyPIM-ROMANIA: you don't need to repeat yourself18:00
Z00Z00ZWhy we dont put Lubuntu with Cloud to bring similar to Chromebook ideas18:00
frenchUbuntu82China stop windows to Ubuntu, is good news for Ubuntu?18:00
dobeyZ00Z00Z: because you aren't doing it18:00
shekhawatchromebook like idea for lubuntu is nice18:00
joebakerThank You !18:00
shekhawat+118:00
Joe_B1Thank you Mark.18:01
rickspencer3o/18:01
ogra_Z00Z00Z, so convince the lubuntu guys :)18:01
boxtropicaThank you!18:01
Z00Z00ZCan we offer a network installation for Ubuntu ?18:01
mhall119thanks everyone :)18:01
BOHverkillthx18:01
Joe_B1Thanks Michael.18:01
nik90thank you mark18:01
nshiellAnd thank you guys18:01
ogra_thanks !18:01
Z00Z00ZOk ,Thanks all18:01
mvothanks18:01
zygathanks!18:01
danielyhlinthanks mark18:01
sdescienceloverThank you!18:01
GuikiraThanks you guys!18:01
DCWilliams_VAThanks for you time Mark!18:01
maestro__thanks guys18:01
shekhawatThank you guys!! :)18:01
i_need_a_nickThank u mark.. thank u mhall11918:01
FuldaWhat did he tell about the UBUNTU edge?18:02
ogra_Fulda, what is there to tell ?18:02
ogra_its dead18:02
Fulda:-/18:02
ml2mstFulda, he said it's dead :-(18:02
FuldaIt's a pity!18:03
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FuldaIt's a pity!18:03
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FuldaIt's a pity!18:03
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FuldaIt's a pity!18:03
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ogra_Fulda, there will surely be some ubuntu edge like thing at some point when you have actual laptop class HW in phones18:03
kjhkjhkj....18:03
kjhkjhkjthere are other ubuntu phones now18:03
ogra_for now plain phones are the target18:03
kjhkjhkj2 OEMs making them18:04
kjhkjhkjgoogle it18:04
ogra_and honestly, to build the edge we would have to build the proper phone OS first anyway18:04
ml2mstUbuntu on Android is obviously dead as well :-(18:04
kjhkjhkjnexus4 is teh dev phone18:04
i_need_a_nickFulda: i forsee a future with awesome open hw running ubuntu...18:04
kjhkjhkjandroid apps will run on ubuntu touch18:04
ogra_ml2mst, yeah, that would need a vendor to adopt it18:05
ml2mstLooks as if Ubuntu is mainly focussing on "the cloud"18:05
ogra_not true18:05
ogra_we are mainly focusing on convergence, the phone and the cloud atm ...18:05
ogra_the former two get as much attention as the could18:06
ogra_*cloud18:06
kjhkjhkjif not more... :P :D18:06
ml2mstogra_ you are from canonical or an Ubuntu dev?18:06
ogra_both ;)18:06
ml2mstorgra_ cool ;-*18:07
ml2mstogra_ nice to have an "insider" who can present *facts* in stead of *rumors*18:09
ogra_ml2mst, there were many *insiders* here during the session ;)18:10
ml2mstI played around with Mir/Unity but it is still in it's early ages and thus buggy, but it gets better over time ;-)18:11
kjhkjhkjogra_: you = fake18:11
ogra_lol18:12
ogra_you sound like my girlfriend :)18:12
ml2mstogra_ I was focusing on Mark <318:12
AquariusWhy closing Ubuntu One then ?18:14
ogra_no way to compete with the other file sharing services ..18:15
kjhkjhkjogra_: whats the deal with the account service?18:15
kjhkjhkjits named the same?18:15
ogra_yes, only the file sharing service was shot down18:15
kjhkjhkjalso, whats happening with the ubuntu 'store' is that dead?18:15
ogra_the DB one as well as the simmgle signon one still exist18:16
kjhkjhkjdb one?18:16
ogra_phhones use it a lot ...18:16
ogra_the music store is dead, yeah18:16
yanpasHow huge ubuntu-touch apps will fit on the ntbooks or small screens, when unity8 and mir will come?18:16
ogra_U1DB and U1 SSO, yes18:16
yanpasnetbooks*18:16
ogra_they will just scale magically18:17
ogra_thats the core idea of convergence18:17
kjhkjhkjbit of a branding error tbh18:17
ogra_is it ?18:17
kjhkjhkjif SSO is known as ubuntu One still18:17
kjhkjhkjwhere as most think of Ubuntu One as the cloud storage?18:18
ogra_well, it was part of U1 ... and U1 wasnt shot down ... only the cloud storage service was18:18
kjhkjhkji see18:18
ogra_well, it doesnt matter much ... it is not like there is U1 plastered everywheer across the phones18:18
ogra_you need an U1 account to install apps ... thats all ...18:19
kjhkjhkjare there any plans to merge the desperate ubuntu sites, like the wiki etc with U1 SSO?18:19
ogra_and if you develop apps you can make use of the db to store settings etc18:19
ogra_thats something you have to ask the webops team18:19
kjhkjhkji see18:19
kjhkjhkjty18:19
ogra_welcome :)18:19
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Guest41927why ubuntu 14.04 stucks generally some times18:23
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marianoiannuzziQUESTION: what is your take on Apple's approach to "convergence"?18:41
mariano_iannuzziQUESTION: what is your take on Apple's approach to "convergence"?18:42
MilesAvicHey all18:48
juancSería estupendo que alguien subtitule todo en Español para así en Sur America enterarnos con mas detalle de todo!!!19:02
juancIt would be great if someone caption all in Spanish South America in order to learn in more detail throughout!19:05
ErshadHi19:13
ErshadHope Every one is fine .19:13
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autoboxuhi19:58
autoboxuNice work man20:02
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Vadimerwill there ever be a time where linux processes windows applacations / programs to work on linux?20:14
uwehow about spying from government and others on Ubunto PCs20:22
uwehow save is ubunto20:23
uweand what is the divvrend between desktop and desktop crypted20:23
uwehow to get a sound card driver20:31
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darkso what do we know until now?21:40
darkis there any major improvements in compatibility?21:41
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bernardohola alguien me pude traducir23:24

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