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| belkinsa | dholbach, working on getting the Hangout up? | 13:55 |
|---|---|---|
| dholbach | yes | 13:55 |
| belkinsa | Alright, just checking. | 13:55 |
| dholbach | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYezOmrGG6RMkrpKJ5busGYaORG2gr7Kc3FXVGc_kEsrEM1EYA for whoever wants to join | 13:56 |
| belkinsa | You said that you redoing it, right, dholbach? | 13:58 |
| dholbach | belkinsa: yep, but you can join as well if you like | 13:59 |
| dholbach | belkinsa: the hangout is started already | 13:59 |
| belkinsa | Oh, it's the same one? | 13:59 |
| dpm | o/ | 14:00 |
| belkinsa | o/ | 14:00 |
| belkinsa | It made already. | 14:00 |
| dholbach | etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1406-community-roundtable | 14:01 |
| philipballew | do we have a link again? | 14:01 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYezOmrGG6RMkrpKJ5busGYaORG2gr7Kc3FXVGc_kEsrEM1EYA | 14:01 |
| philipballew | belkinsa, yeah, and I was wondering if someone could paste it here | 14:01 |
| belkinsa_web | Bah, too many people | 14:01 |
| * czajkowski hugs dholbach | 14:02 | |
| czajkowski | soo many dates | 14:02 |
| czajkowski | why not merge them into one | 14:02 |
| czajkowski | one busy week of crazyness | 14:02 |
| czajkowski | and then do them at differnt times of the day so people can join them | 14:03 |
| czajkowski | even try a saturday | 14:03 |
| ahayzen | core app hack days \o/ | 14:03 |
| * dholbach hugs czajkowski back :) | 14:03 | |
| czajkowski | I think some people are finding we have so many online events that people cannot find the time to attend them all | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | and there is a masssive overlapping in them | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | I think doing it over the weekend would help mhall119 | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | meeting people half way would help a lot to increaase particpation | 14:04 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah, we have three zones, Europe, Asia, and the Americas | 14:05 |
| czajkowski | what about looking at doing the same session | 14:05 |
| czajkowski | twice aday | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | a day at differnet times? | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | so you get the community attending at a time that suits | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | but as dpm points out it is down to the driver of the meeting | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | it may not always be so easy | 14:06 |
| belkinsa_web | Twice a day could work or have a full day of doing it, 24 hours for different people. | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | dpm: indeed I don't think it would work for all sessions but be nice to vary it a little. | 14:08 |
| dpm | yeah | 14:08 |
| dholbach | do we have any other subjects which should be discussed during the roundtable as well? | 14:09 |
| belkinsa_web | So, panels wouldn't work for people? | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | popey: indeed for presentations it's not needed | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: not sure if this has been brought up already, but can we set in stone the dates now for the next online UDS? | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | so people know in advance I know this was raised a while back | 14:10 |
| belkinsa_web | Agreed, we need maybe a month in advance of a motice. | 14:10 |
| dholbach | czajkowski, sure... we can pick one, discuss it here, propose it to release team (and others), then announce | 14:10 |
| belkinsa_web | notiice* | 14:10 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: bingo | 14:10 |
| dholbach | the last time we did it this way | 14:10 |
| dholbach | and I think that worked well | 14:10 |
| czajkowski | oh you should do the 24hr madness again | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | if only to see how crazy you go | 14:12 |
| mhall119 | no | 14:12 |
| mhall119 | no, no no | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | ah go on | 14:13 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe research some communities and see what they do for these type of things? | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | just because the event goes on longer doesnt mean we need to fill every hour. can leave like a lunch time gap/nap time and break up the day | 14:13 |
| PabloRubianes | people are working!, we need this sessions on weekends! | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | which will be hard | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | for Emea for holidays as well | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | so people take a lot of time off as well | 14:16 |
| belkinsa_web | Alining them? | 14:16 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah, I agree. I have classes during that time of the UOS's. | 14:16 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: are you able to join the hangout? | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: in set up for my event :) | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | mutlitasking sorry :/ | 14:16 |
| dholbach | PabloRubianes, which session would you like to see on weekends? things like demo sessions? | 14:18 |
| dholbach | or presentations? | 14:18 |
| PabloRubianes | dholbach: at least the community session | 14:18 |
| PabloRubianes | maybe some week days and a saturday | 14:19 |
| PabloRubianes | not all in the weekend but one day that people don't work | 14:20 |
| PabloRubianes | like the bug jams | 14:20 |
| belkinsa_web | PabloRubianes: I like that thought | 14:20 |
| PabloRubianes | I am having an awful connection so I am not watching the hangout | 14:21 |
| PabloRubianes | :( | 14:21 |
| belkinsa_web | I'm in the Hangout and my computer is not handling it well | 14:21 |
| mhall119 | hangouts like to turn my CPU into a furnace | 14:21 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, it's getting too hot? | 14:21 |
| dholbach | PabloRubianes, bah :-/ | 14:22 |
| belkinsa_web | Funny, no. But too many people in one just lags my computer | 14:22 |
| PabloRubianes | dholbach: yeah | 14:23 |
| belkinsa_web | User days were | 14:23 |
| belkinsa_web | on weekends | 14:23 |
| PabloRubianes | also taking from the LoCo council perspective, we give a session on this summit for the time availability, | 14:24 |
| PabloRubianes | we did not* | 14:24 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe we could have a LoCo UOS on the weekend of the UOS week? | 14:24 |
| czajkowski | community folks give up their weekends to work on Ubuntu | 14:25 |
| belkinsa_web | czajkowski: Indeed. | 14:25 |
| PabloRubianes | belkinsa_web: we had a plan to have a similar idea, but we need to plan it right | 14:25 |
| czajkowski | so I don;t think it's completely unreasonable to give up one day over a weekend by Ubuntu enginners to work on Ubuntu once a cycle | 14:25 |
| cheesehead | If doing four summits a year, should try one on a weekend. | 14:26 |
| dpm | czajkowski, engineers also need life back on the weekend, we've got people working 12 hours a day during the week too | 14:26 |
| belkinsa_web | I think we need to plan now and be ready for the next one a month before it | 14:27 |
| czajkowski | dpm: I do agree, but you could and I would argue community people give up their days adn evenings they too would like a life also at the weekend or the evneings when they give it up for bug jams | 14:27 |
| cheesehead | dpm, I don't think anyone is proposing weekend work _in addition_ to weekday duties. When my employees need to time-shift duties, I make it possible. | 14:28 |
| dpm | well, I've been (and I am :) on both sides, and that would mean engineers have an obligation to work both during the week and weekends | 14:28 |
| * belkinsa_web really wants a new powerful computer ;/ | 14:29 | |
| PabloRubianes | dpm: I am not taking about enginners, am talking about community session | 14:32 |
| dpm | PabloRubianes, yeah, I understand, I was replying to Laura | 14:32 |
| belkinsa_web | We need to focus on the community folks too. | 14:32 |
| Murazaki | He's Michael Hall's room taking flight ? ^^' Is it a lighted fan ? | 14:33 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe the classroom team could get some track/session ideas on the UOS and have them on Hangouts on Air. | 14:33 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule | 14:33 |
| balloons | Murazaki, you guessed it | 14:33 |
| mhall119 | Murazaki: just a fan, looks better on video than in real live | 14:33 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, sure | 14:34 |
| belkinsa_web | Work item? | 14:34 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, sorry, I meant to say that the classroom would surely have some ideas :) | 14:35 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah | 14:35 |
| belkinsa_web | How would a testing session work? Just wondering. | 14:36 |
| balloons | belkinsa_web, what do you mean a testing session? | 14:36 |
| mhall119 | belkinsa_web: running through checkbox and such | 14:37 |
| mhall119 | or generally using the dev release and reporting bugs | 14:37 |
| balloons | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing | 14:37 |
| belkinsa_web | I need to think on what I just asked | 14:38 |
| dholbach | do we have any other subjects to discuss in this community roundtable? | 14:39 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe packing into big events might be a good idea (with UOS). | 14:40 |
| czajkowski | July tends to be conference season | 14:40 |
| czajkowski | Oscon | 14:40 |
| belkinsa_web | Or have UOS styled events. | 14:40 |
| balloons | yea.. summer in general isn't a good time, heh | 14:40 |
| czajkowski | balloons: it really isn't | 14:41 |
| cheesehead | No time will be great every three months. There will always be interference and conflicts. But not everybody needs to show up at every event. | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | july 20-24 | 14:42 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe we need to see how many folks are attending the UGJ by poll or something. | 14:42 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, ask by poll to see if we don't overlap with another conference? | 14:43 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, or in general to see how many attend global jam events? | 14:44 |
| belkinsa_web | dholbach: The latter might work the best. | 14:44 |
| dholbach | we sort of do that with loco.u.c | 14:44 |
| belkinsa_web | That works, mhall119 | 14:45 |
| dholbach | last time: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2656/ | 14:45 |
| dpm | anyone on IRC running Ubuntu Hours events? | 14:46 |
| popey | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2662/ | 14:46 |
| dholbach | do we have any other topics apart from "events in this cycle" we want to discuss? | 14:47 |
| belkinsa_web | I like that idea, the weekly cimmunity hour on Hangouts on Air | 14:47 |
| belkinsa_web | Try for another track today or tomorrow? | 14:48 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe we can have both suvery and Hangout? | 14:49 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, the survey is going to happen in any case | 14:50 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, which hangout would you like to do? | 14:50 |
| belkinsa_web | Hangout on Air after the UOS to talk about what needs to work on and that tsuff. | 14:50 |
| belkinsa_web | stuff* | 14:50 |
| belkinsa_web | I think with the ones who gone to Community and Users tracks. | 14:52 |
| belkinsa_web | Thanks for the session. | 14:54 |
| dholbach | thank you :) | 14:54 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 14:54 |
| sil2100 | dholbach: will you start the HO for the next session? | 14:55 |
| dholbach | yep | 14:55 |
| dholbach | on it | 14:55 |
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| xnox | \o/ | 14:55 |
| dholbach | sil2100, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdbntNZ9rVjC1nliza-Y-O9uhGvpwU6IdYLpvVb5FjkTdzt5A | 14:56 |
| xnox | Going live in 5... | 15:01 |
| xnox | 4... | 15:01 |
| xnox | 3... | 15:01 |
| xnox | 2... | 15:01 |
| xnox | 1... | 15:01 |
| xnox | =) | 15:01 |
| xnox | previous session slides are: | 15:02 |
| xnox | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10SbMhkHuTpgVEncv8Fp_A8is0stDKwuMiCAYEFNiw40/edit?usp=sharing | 15:02 |
| xnox | http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ | 15:02 |
| dholbach | please keep your questions coming! :) | 15:04 |
| dholbach | do we have questions for Łukasz? | 15:24 |
| mwenning | is there a link for basic lander training? | 15:31 |
| mwenning | QUESTION: is there a link / doc for basic lander training? | 15:32 |
| xnox | mwenning: i'll ask that to sil2100 right after current question. | 15:32 |
| dholbach | any more questions? :) | 15:38 |
| sil2100 | Thank you o/ | 15:41 |
| sil2100 | Oh, an now my firefox crashed even, yay | 15:41 |
| mwenning | thanks, good stuff | 15:42 |
| dholbach | yeah, I'm super happy with all the great work you and others put into getting the landings right | 15:42 |
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| dholbach | who's kicking off the documentation team hangout? belkinsa, pleia2 maybe? if not, I could do it as well | 17:27 |
| belkinsa | I am doing it | 17:27 |
| belkinsa | On it | 17:28 |
| belkinsa | I know that someone is kicking off the Kubuntu one | 17:29 |
| belkinsa | Almost ready | 17:32 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:34 |
| belkinsa | To join ^^ | 17:34 |
| dholbach | belkinsa, brilliant, thanks | 17:36 |
| belkinsa | The roundtable will start in less than 20 minutes in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 and the Hangout link is (to join): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:44 |
| belkinsa | The roundtable will start in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 and the Hangout link is (to join): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:49 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Track: Community | Ubuntu Documentation Team Roundtable June 2014 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22234/community-1406-ubuntu-documentation-team/ | ||
| * belkinsa waits | 17:51 | |
| belkinsa | The roundtable will start in less than 10 minutes in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 and the Hangout link is (to join): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:53 |
| belkinsa | dholbach, are you free for this session? | 17:54 |
| belkinsa | The roundtable will start in less than 5 minutes in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 and the Hangout link is (to join): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:56 |
| belkinsa | Who is here for the round table? | 17:57 |
| belkinsa | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw?authuser=0&hl=en to join | 17:57 |
| knome | <- kind of | 17:57 |
| belkinsa | IRC or Hangout, knome? | 17:58 |
| knome | just irc, and even that a bit on/off | 17:58 |
| belkinsa_web | Okay. | 17:58 |
| knome | just ping me if you need me to answer or give an opinion on something | 17:59 |
| belkinsa_web | Okay, but I think you are only one here | 17:59 |
| knome | well, that's ok | 17:59 |
| knome | i mean, for me | 17:59 |
| knome | i'll have the hangout open | 17:59 |
| knome | or the stream tbe | 18:00 |
| knome | i can try to catch if you ask me something there ;) | 18:00 |
| belkinsa_web | The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JmBVSRVIWY4 | 18:00 |
| knome | yeah, i have it open | 18:00 |
| belkinsa_web | pmatulis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JmBVSRVIWY4 | 18:00 |
| belkinsa_web | Pad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1406-community-1406-ubuntu-documentation-team | 18:01 |
| dholbach | belkinsa_web, yes, I can attend | 18:01 |
| belkinsa_web | Alright, just checking | 18:01 |
| knome | yay for dholbach on the camera | 18:01 |
| raub | Are the nickname and pw the ones used for launchpad? | 18:02 |
| belkinsa_web | raub: you can use any, but the LP one be better | 18:03 |
| raub | Or I can just type here? | 18:03 |
| belkinsa_web | You can. | 18:03 |
| dholbach | is anyone else joining in? | 18:03 |
| dholbach | joining the hangout I mean | 18:03 |
| belkinsa_web | Or join the hangout if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JmBVSRVIWY4 | 18:03 |
| dholbach | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw | 18:03 |
| belkinsa_web | dholbach has the right link | 18:04 |
| dholbach | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1406-community-1406-ubuntu-documentation-team is the pad | 18:04 |
| raub | I will then type here since I am at work | 18:04 |
| belkinsa_web | Okay | 18:04 |
| pmatulis | belkinsa_web: you can talk about the poll idea | 18:05 |
| dholbach | is nobody of the docs team joining the hangout? | 18:05 |
| raub | I am trying, but the data squirrels are slow today | 18:06 |
| belkinsa_web | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-June/018962.html | 18:06 |
| pmatulis | how do i join the hangout? | 18:07 |
| belkinsa_web | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-May/018920.html | 18:07 |
| belkinsa_web | pmatulis: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | pmatulis: there should be a link just above the video | 18:07 |
| raub | pmatulis: the plus.hangout link dholbach put up | 18:07 |
| raub | ^^^^ | 18:07 |
| raub | I type slowly | 18:08 |
| raub | Though I am still waiting for the hangout to let me in :( | 18:08 |
| belkinsa_web | Fixed that link | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | are we having technical difficulty? | 18:10 |
| belkinsa_web | It's fixed | 18:10 |
| raub | I am. Can't join the hangout | 18:10 |
| belkinsa_web | The hangout link was wrong | 18:10 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw is the link | 18:10 |
| raub | I am still in a "Please Wait..." screen in the hangout | 18:11 |
| knome | xubuntu uses docbook to write the docs, we can export the same stuff to web | 18:13 |
| knome | so the docs are available in both places | 18:13 |
| knome | making it web only is a restriction as well | 18:13 |
| belkinsa_web | Agreed, we needboth forms | 18:13 |
| knome | though i understand the pros of not being tied to (release) schedules | 18:14 |
| raub | Risking sounding like certain companies that steal their customer's souls, would it be possible to record how often a given machine access the docs? | 18:14 |
| raub | So we can have actual data | 18:14 |
| mhall119 | raub: local docs? | 18:15 |
| raub | yeah | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | I don't think that would be possible/acceptable | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | we could maybe use popcon to see how many have installed the docs packages, if (a) they are separate -doc packages and (b) they aren't isntalled by default or as a recommends | 18:16 |
| knome | mhall119, that's not the number we want; all regular xubuntu installations *have* the docs | 18:16 |
| knome | we'd like to know how many actually *use* them | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | right, so we'd have record and report file access.....that won't be popular | 18:17 |
| knome | yeah, not really | 18:17 |
| raub | I wonder how to get data without being google | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | take it away and count how many people complain :) | 18:17 |
| knome | mhall119, how do the people who have no internet access and need the offline docs complain? ;) | 18:18 |
| knome | also, vocal minority | 18:18 |
| raub | pmatulis: Where would we find the average desktop user so we can put the poll there? | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | yeah, no good way to get this info | 18:18 |
| knome | you could keep the same infra, and have packaged docs, and online (web) docs | 18:19 |
| knome | the packaged docs could point to the "updated" online docs | 18:19 |
| knome | which could be updated regardless of where you are in the release schedule | 18:19 |
| dholbach | could you guys join the hangout as well? :) | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | couldn't we also SRU new docs after release? | 18:20 |
| belkinsa_web | Link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfs-LezOGpwYbtjHH5WGSrWEWJlDz0_qvciVDrRmseAly4gtw | 18:20 |
| knome | dholbach, can't right now, i'm afraid | 18:20 |
| dholbach | maybe try different browsers if your current doesn't work | 18:20 |
| dholbach | knome, ok | 18:20 |
| knome | mhall119, yeah, that too | 18:20 |
| knome | mhall119, but peter's main argument seems to be "the bureaucracy slows down our progress" | 18:21 |
| raub | What if the in-computer docs will have enough useful info to get the basics running, including getting online? Then the online docs would be more abridged | 18:21 |
| raub | er, UNabridged | 18:22 |
| knome | yep, happening, and we will land an SRU for xubuntu 14.04.x | 18:22 |
| raub | i.e. more crap | 18:22 |
| dholbach | I was just looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html | 18:22 |
| raub | I do agree that too much bureaucracy does slow things down | 18:22 |
| knome | ubuntu community help | 18:23 |
| knome | dholbach, help.ubuntu.com/community | 18:23 |
| dholbach | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/ubuntu-docs/utopic I guess | 18:23 |
| raub | mhall119: I think there should be enough docs in the desktop to get it up and running and connected to the net | 18:24 |
| knome | pmatulis, you can keep on working on the documentation after the freezes, and put the latest revisions online | 18:24 |
| knome | yeah, the release team should be relatively liberal on updating docs after freezes.. | 18:25 |
| belkinsa_web | We still have no driver for Desktop | 18:26 |
| knome | i think the only reason why freezes happen as soon as they do now is that there needs to be some time to handle the uploads | 18:26 |
| knome | dholbach, ^ | 18:26 |
| raub | Are there any people from the desktop team here? | 18:27 |
| knome | so if there was a person or two who could commit uploading the docs later, the freezes could happen later easily | 18:27 |
| knome | dholbach, i agree. but that's what the doc team wiki says. | 18:28 |
| dholbach | ok :) | 18:28 |
| raub | About docs deadline, why not just have one deadline a year? I mean, how much should it change between pickls.04 and pickles.10? | 18:28 |
| belkinsa_web | We can't, we have cycles that are 6 months long. | 18:28 |
| raub | belkinsa_web: how much does the releases really change between cycles? | 18:29 |
| knome | pmatulis, sure, i understand. but what are the late changes you need to do? | 18:29 |
| belkinsa_web | Good point. | 18:29 |
| knome | pmatulis, i mean, why weren't they been done earlier? | 18:29 |
| knome | the rest of the community can (kind of) commit to schedules, why can't documentation? | 18:30 |
| knome | or why is it so different for documentation? | 18:30 |
| belkinsa_web | I think we don't have enough man power. | 18:31 |
| belkinsa_web | As pmatulis says | 18:31 |
| knome | then the problem is not the bureaucracy or the processes but the amount of contributors. | 18:31 |
| belkinsa_web | Recruitment issues. | 18:31 |
| bregma | with an LTS release, it may be possible to defer the final docs until the .01 point release to give more time for revision and translation cycles | 18:31 |
| * raub is guilty of that | 18:32 | |
| knome | would the more appropriate question be how the developers of certain apps/parts of the system can help the documentation team? | 18:32 |
| bregma | developers make very poor documenters | 18:33 |
| raub | knome: that would be a good question | 18:33 |
| dholbach | I'm adding notes right now (http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1406-community-1406-ubuntu-documentation-team) | 18:33 |
| bregma | documentation is an ideal entry point for non-technical contributers, perhaps that should be stressed in the "how can I contribute?" material | 18:34 |
| bregma | QUESTION: is there a definitive list of "official" documention, who owns it, and how to get involved or contribute to each? | 18:35 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybve that link can be included on the main page? | 18:35 |
| belkinsa_web | The main COmmunity Help Wiki page | 18:35 |
| cheesehead | Is the recruiting problem that nobody wants to help? Or do new helpers get scared/demotivated and drop away? | 18:35 |
| knome | dholbach, re: gunnar, i don't know, i believe he was only going to pick up ubuntu-docs | 18:36 |
| belkinsa_web | Ali talked about that and we are missing that link | 18:36 |
| dholbach | knome, in that case, he could probably help with other packages or apply for upload rights for them too, or somebody else should apply | 18:36 |
| dholbach | it's not overly bureaucratic - either throw up a merge proposal or file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 18:37 |
| knome | dholbach, i think the answer to the question if he'd like to do that was "not really", so yeah, somebody else needs to.. | 18:37 |
| dholbach | let me know if stuff doesn't get sponsored | 18:37 |
| knome | dholbach, i understand that and it's not a problem for our team, but i was thinking about the documentation stuff generally | 18:37 |
| dholbach | to me it doesn't look like the biggest problem in the whole docs process - I'm happy to help with sponsorship as well | 18:37 |
| pmatulis | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | 18:37 |
| knome | some packages always seem to be stalling for a reason or another :/ | 18:38 |
| knome | dholbach, probably not | 18:38 |
| dholbach | some stuff might stall, yes - I agree and I'm not saying it's perfect | 18:38 |
| dholbach | let me know if things stall | 18:38 |
| dholbach | after a few sponsored uploads, some doc member can apply for upload rights themselves then :) | 18:39 |
| knome | i don't think you need to be a member of any team to do a merge proposal | 18:39 |
| knome | mhall119, ^ | 18:39 |
| dholbach | knome, no, you don't | 18:39 |
| dholbach | ah sorry | 18:39 |
| dholbach | I misunderstood :) | 18:39 |
| dholbach | ignore me :) | 18:39 |
| knome | i can help with upgrading the community help wiki frontpage (to ensure it keeps looking good) | 18:40 |
| raub | Good because I do not know how to go anymore from the main ubuntu site to the server docs | 18:40 |
| raub | shame on me! | 18:40 |
| belkinsa_web | pmatulis: can you post it here too? | 18:40 |
| pmatulis | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuDesktopGuide | 18:41 |
| dholbach | knome, I noted down an action for you :) | 18:42 |
| knome | For information on contributing see the Ubuntu Documentation Team wiki page. | 18:42 |
| knome | help.ubuntu.com says that ^ | 18:42 |
| ahoneybun | lots of people | 18:43 |
| raub | Why not have links to the, say, intro to bazaar? | 18:43 |
| raub | on the main doc page? | 18:43 |
| raub | or how to use this thing | 18:43 |
| belkinsa_web | For the Kubuntu Doc team roundtable, who is kicking it off? | 18:43 |
| raub | If you already know how to use it, don't click th elink | 18:43 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: want to kick us off? | 18:43 |
| belkinsa_web | I will be joining too, but not kicking it off. | 18:44 |
| knome | raub, contributions on improving the team page are welcome | 18:44 |
| belkinsa_web | But thank you, ahoneybun. | 18:44 |
| ahoneybun | for belkinsa? | 18:44 |
| belkinsa_web | Giving me a update. | 18:45 |
| ahoneybun | oh I'll kick us off if I need to | 18:45 |
| knome | pmatulis, that makes me think if canonical could help with that at all. | 18:45 |
| knome | the documentation team wiki is a bit sloppy | 18:46 |
| belkinsa_web | Maybe in this cycle, we can clean it up? | 18:46 |
| ahoneybun | knome: throw me a link to it and I'll look at it | 18:46 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | 18:46 |
| knome | to me it looks like the wiki might overcomplicate some things. | 18:47 |
| knome | pmatulis, they aren't called documentation any more | 18:47 |
| knome | pmatulis, it's called community help wiki now | 18:47 |
| ahoneybun | I mean we don't really work on that as that is the main ubuntu docs team page, but I'll help if I can | 18:48 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah, they are just help guides | 18:49 |
| belkinsa_web | The UF are | 18:49 |
| belkinsa_web | and AskUbunti | 18:49 |
| belkinsa_web | Ubuntu* | 18:49 |
| * ahoneybun is confused | 18:49 | |
| raub | knome: point taken | 18:50 |
| ahoneybun | the kubuntu session has not started right | 18:50 |
| belkinsa_web | ahoneybun: everyone is googling for the answer | 18:50 |
| belkinsa_web | Oh, sorry | 18:50 |
| ahoneybun | 19:00 is 3pm to New york | 18:51 |
| knome | got to go. thanks belkinsa_web, dholbach for running the meeting | 18:51 |
| belkinsa_web | Not a problem | 18:51 |
| belkinsa | ahoneybun, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions | 18:51 |
| belkinsa | Look at this | 18:51 |
| belkinsa_web | Is the timer off? | 18:54 |
| belkinsa_web | Its' 54 not 55 | 18:54 |
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| ahoneybun | https://plus.google.com/events/c2nq9rtu3gubkj4927ulpglm1ps | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: I managed to freeze Unity | 18:56 |
| dholbach | thanks guys! :) | 18:56 |
| dholbach | mhall119, oopsie | 18:56 |
| mhall119 | thanks everyone | 18:56 |
| * mhall119 goes to reboot | 18:56 | |
| * belkinsa_web needs one too | 18:56 | |
| dholbach | is anyone going to run the kubuntu docs meeting? | 18:56 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: do you need to invite me or something? | 18:57 |
| valorie | the link you posted only allows me to "watch" | 18:57 |
| dholbach | valorie, ahoneybun: are you setting up the hangout? :) | 18:57 |
| ahoneybun | dholbach: I got it set up just need to send links | 18:58 |
| valorie | ah got it | 18:58 |
| barsook | What;s the hangout link? | 18:58 |
| barsook | the one to join? | 18:59 |
| valorie | https://plus.google.com/events/c2nq9rtu3gubkj4927ulpglm1ps | 18:59 |
| ahoneybun | do I air it? | 18:59 |
| valorie | but I think there is another one | 18:59 |
| ahoneybun | start broadcast? | 18:59 |
| barsook | What is it again? | 19:00 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/events/c2nq9rtu3gubkj4927ulpglm1ps | 19:00 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: did you follow the uds/sessions link? | 19:00 |
| dholbach | button at the bottom | 19:00 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah, it's not the one | 19:00 |
| dholbach | you're live! | 19:01 |
| SilverLion | ahoneybun: pls DO wear headphones! | 19:01 |
| belkinsa_web | ahoneybun: it's the one that you get when in the hangout and the sound needs to be fixed | 19:01 |
| SilverLion | your background noises are terrible :( | 19:01 |
| belkinsa_web | Headphones please. | 19:01 |
| ahoneybun | better? | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | there is a delay | 19:02 |
| SilverLion | your ac is killing the sound | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | ok turned that off | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | how do I invite people to the hangout | 19:03 |
| dholbach | ahoneybun, just paste the URL in here | 19:03 |
| ahoneybun | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcJruxQy3tuc0JL7-Q6EQzyP02oFJS0JqiRdfzgqnz76VTmPg?authuser=0&hl=en | 19:03 |
| valorie | oh thank goodness | 19:03 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: did that work? | 19:04 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcJruxQy3tuc0JL7-Q6EQzyP02oFJS0JqiRdfzgqnz76VTmPg?a... | 19:04 |
| belkinsa_web | Yes | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | hey ho | 19:05 |
| belkinsa_web | Hangout link to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcJruxQy3tuc0JL7-Q6EQzyP02oFJS0JqiRdfzgqnz76VTmPg?a... | 19:05 |
| valorie | yes, that works | 19:05 |
| ahoneybun | awesome | 19:05 |
| valorie | thank you belkinsa_web | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: there's usually a delay | 19:05 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: you made it | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | I'm cooking dinner/practicing my violin, I'll pipe in if required | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | via IRC | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | can't do 3 things at once | 19:06 |
| SilverLion | how do you folks get these banners with the icons where your names are on? | 19:06 |
| ahoneybun | SilverLion: hangout tool | 19:06 |
| ahoneybun | left handside | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: document process on the wiki! :P | 19:08 |
| * ahoneybun is bad at this lol | 19:10 | |
| belkinsa_web | Its' cool, you are learning. | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: apachelogger moved the wiki | 19:11 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: oh he did? | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: yes, everything is on community.kde.org now | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | see ML | 19:14 |
| belkinsa_web | I think I like how the wiki is on the KDE site. You have the Discussion page/tab. Lucky you. ;) | 19:15 |
| belkinsa_web | Your LP project page is outdate: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs | 19:17 |
| s-lion | can someone repost hangout link? | 19:17 |
| belkinsa_web | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcJruxQy3tuc0JL7-Q6EQzyP02oFJS0JqiRdfzgqnz76VTmPg?a... | 19:17 |
| s-lion | thnx | 19:17 |
| s-lion | you'll get a Lubuntu visitor ;) | 19:17 |
| belkinsa_web | And a Ubuntu one too | 19:17 |
| shadeslayer | FYI I've lost the stream | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | so best ping me on IRC | 19:18 |
| belkinsa_web | Is there a Ubuntu Comms team, by any chance. | 19:20 |
| belkinsa_web | SilverLion just gave me an idea | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | and back, and gone | 19:20 |
| valorie | belkinsa_web: not as such | 19:20 |
| valorie | but we're trying to get a group together | 19:20 |
| belkinsa_web | I figured since the Ubuntu Marketing team is dead | 19:21 |
| ahoneybun | ubuntu comms? | 19:21 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah | 19:21 |
| belkinsa_web | I think Ubuntu needs one too | 19:21 |
| belkinsa_web | Turn off your mic! | 19:21 |
| belkinsa_web | I think a Comms teams might be better for this case rather than marketing. | 19:23 |
| belkinsa_web | Or that. | 19:23 |
| belkinsa_web | Sounds like a recruiting for the starting point | 19:24 |
| belkinsa_web | Developers don't docuement anything | 19:25 |
| belkinsa_web | That's the problem. | 19:25 |
| sgclark2 | I will try to spend some time with documentation between packaging | 19:26 |
| belkinsa_web | But I think pleia2 is trying to get developers to give updates. | 19:26 |
| sgclark2 | re-inventing the wheel | 19:27 |
| valorie | hey sgclark2 | 19:27 |
| sgclark2 | hello! | 19:27 |
| sgclark2 | agree | 19:29 |
| sgclark2 | plus another 24 hours in a day | 19:29 |
| sgclark2 | it is a full time job keeping all that up | 19:29 |
| belkinsa_web | lol | 19:29 |
| sgclark2 | oh? | 19:30 |
| belkinsa_web | sgclark2:https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcJruxQy3tuc0JL7-Q6EQzyP02oFJS0JqiRdfzgqnz76VTmPg?a... if you want to join | 19:31 |
| belkinsa_web | Don't forget the action items! | 19:32 |
| belkinsa_web | Like https://help.ubuntu.com/ would something like that? | 19:34 |
| belkinsa_web | Looks clearer. | 19:35 |
| belkinsa_web | CLeaner* | 19:35 |
| sgclark2 | I can't seem to get the plugin to work | 19:37 |
| belkinsa_web | What's the problem, sgclark2? | 19:37 |
| valorie | yes, however, we've had trouble getting themes to be uniformly applied | 19:38 |
| belkinsa_web | We are all USA folks | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | thank you belkinsa_web | 19:39 |
| belkinsa_web | 3:39 PM here | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | belkinsa: same time here | 19:39 |
| sgclark2 | 12:40 pm here | 19:41 |
| sgclark2 | that is what I am packaging | 19:41 |
| ahoneybun | nice sgclark2 | 19:41 |
| belkinsa_web | ahoneybun: carefull, Twitter was hacked into today | 19:44 |
| valorie | oh yes, I saw a tweetdeck exploit | 19:44 |
| s-lion | lubuntu comms was using tweetdeck ;) | 19:45 |
| valorie | yikes | 19:46 |
| valorie | i'm sure it will be fixed soon | 19:46 |
| s-lion | it definetly will | 19:46 |
| belkinsa_web | Yeah, I quit Twitter though. | 19:46 |
| s-lion | belkinsa_web: no need to quit the whole twitter ;) | 19:46 |
| belkinsa_web | Well, I don't use it anymore. | 19:47 |
| belkinsa_web | ANd I get my updated via feeds. | 19:47 |
| s-lion | I'll head out of the hangout now | 19:47 |
| s-lion | returning to Lubuntu Comms Works ;) | 19:48 |
| belkinsa_web | Alright. | 19:48 |
| valorie | nice to see you Harry | 19:48 |
| belkinsa_web | Thank for coming | 19:48 |
| ahoneybun | thanks s-lion | 19:48 |
| s-lion | I'll be around as silverlion though | 19:49 |
| s-lion | you'll find me in the lubuntu area if needed or belkinsa can make contact ;) | 19:49 |
| belkinsa_web | Just a wonder, I think Recruiting or comms can work | 19:49 |
| belkinsa_web | Marketing makes me think of selling it | 19:50 |
| valorie | exactly | 19:50 |
| belkinsa_web | Promo could work too | 19:50 |
| sgclark2 | Promoting sounds good to me | 19:50 |
| belkinsa_web | ahoneybun: you use e-mail client? I do to. | 19:52 |
| ahoneybun | I really like kmail belkinsa, I only need to use browser email for my steam code | 19:52 |
| sgclark2 | more than one will need to help with social, it is alot of work, I did it for a long time and finally ran off screaming haha | 19:52 |
| valorie | I agree | 19:53 |
| belkinsa_web | See ya, computer needs to charge | 19:53 |
| valorie | & can hardly stand social media these days | 19:53 |
| ahoneybun | belkinsa: thanks for coming belkinsa | 19:53 |
| belkinsa_web | Not a problem | 19:53 |
| belkinsa_web | Glad to help and I think we may have a larger problem in the COmmunity of Ubuntu and it's flavours. | 19:54 |
| belkinsa_web | If only two teams have a Comms/Promo/Recruiting team. | 19:54 |
| valorie | what larger problem? | 19:54 |
| valorie | ah | 19:54 |
| valorie | well, I'm part of my LoCo | 19:54 |
| valorie | and do promo there | 19:54 |
| sgclark2 | see you in irc! | 19:54 |
| ahoneybun | I am too but I can't go to Orlando for the meetings | 19:54 |
| belkinsa_web | I try to but it's quiet in Ohio | 19:55 |
| * valorie goes afk for awhile..... | 19:55 | |
| ahoneybun | sgclark2: what time are you in >? | 19:55 |
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| sgclark2 | Pacific US | 19:55 |
| ahoneybun | how do I put for public view? | 19:56 |
| * SilverLion is located in UTC + 2 (CET) :D | 19:56 | |
| SilverLion | I have to go offline for updates ... be back later! | 19:57 |
| belkinsa | mhall119, do you know which flavours have a Comms/Promo/Recruiting team to help new people to get involved? | 19:58 |
| mhall119 | belkinsa: I don't, no | 19:59 |
| mhall119 | Kubuntu might? | 19:59 |
| belkinsa | Kubuntu will as I heard. | 19:59 |
| belkinsa | Alright, I was just wondering. You think Ubuntu needs one? | 20:00 |
| mhall119 | belkinsa: I missed this session, what would such a team do? | 20:00 |
| belkinsa | It could be used to help new people to get involved. Like a starting point where that person can be lead to the othher teams within that flavour. | 20:01 |
| knome | belkinsa, that's a hard, and probably in ways a wrong question | 20:52 |
| knome | belkinsa, xubuntu doesn't have a specific, designed team for that, but we are all pretty open to help anybody with anything they might need | 20:52 |
| knome | belkinsa, so a bit more organic than how some of the other flavors (ubuntu GNOME, lubuntu) have structured their teams and helping out new people | 20:53 |
| belkinsa | knome, ah, I see. | 21:02 |
| belkinsa | Do you use your main flavour mainling list for it? | 21:02 |
| belkinsa | mailing* | 21:02 |
| knome | we have a -devel list | 21:22 |
| knome | but some of us do follow the -users list as well | 21:22 |
| belkinsa | mhall119, this was suggested to me on the doc team's IRC about your item in the Doc Team's Roundtable: [17:17] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: A link to http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/documentation/ might be what should be on top of help.ubuntu.com | 22:15 |
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