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asdaaazzzzhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/media/images/youtube_placeholder.png <- maybe add a "disabled" play button?12:29
asdaaazzzzI joined IRC because I thought the session video would appear here. I'm not the smartest man.12:29
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rickspencer3hi fagan13:41
faganHey rickspencer313:41
* rickspencer3 tries to figure out how to set up hangout on air13:42
belkinsarickspencer3, need the link to the wiki page?13:43
rickspencer3thanks belkinsa, but I am working through it now :)13:44
belkinsarickspencer3, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions13:44
belkinsaAlright13:44
faganMarkShuttleworth and no sabdfl?13:50
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MarkShuttleworthI'm not that Mark Shuttleworth13:50
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faganIm honestly surprised it is not reserved13:51
mkazmierczakHello everybody :)13:52
faganhey mkazmierczak13:52
enleetenyo13:52
cmdrjeygood morning13:53
faganbrb13:53
rickspencer3ok, seems to working, will just wait a few minutes until start time13:54
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faganTea time13:56
mhall119o/13:56
rickspencer3hi mhall11913:57
rickspencer3olli, just left!13:58
rickspencer3should we start it up?13:59
* rickspencer3 starts it13:59
faganSure I suppose13:59
faganHe will catch up14:00
mdeslaur\o14:00
SitUBUSitGoodDogAll I want to know is if Ubuntu Phone will be introduced and incorporated with PhoneBloks. https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/M4XydIJyS5m9pHhi2r9314:00
faganIts live14:00
mhall119remember to ask questions starting with QUESTION so it's easier for the hosts to see it14:00
faganDon't be shy about asking questions, just make sure to put a QUESTION at the start14:02
cmdrjeyquestion : would a brief overview be appropriate?14:03
ollicmdrjey, what would you like to know about specifically14:04
ollirickspencer3 is giving an overview of the Ubuntu Unity8 image14:04
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  How does the new x conpat layer differ from xmir14:05
willcookeQUESTION:  Will Unity 8 require a touchscreen?14:05
faganwillcooke: No it wont14:05
willcookecool14:05
cmdrjeyis the functionality/interface appearance the goal or an actual prod.14:06
alexmigfQUESTION: When we will have Photoshop, Corel Draw and other software in Ubuntu?14:06
loolrickspencer3: 16:06 < cmdrjey> is the functionality/interface appearance the goal or an actual prod.14:07
faganalexmigf: isn't there a CS cloud now that you can use?14:07
alexmigfin Ubuntu don't work14:07
ivo_xavier[QUESTION] Mir will work on old graphics card? Like intel hd ? Or it will just work on new graphcis card's?14:08
alexmigfit's cloud but you have to install14:08
faganalexmigf: Oh I thought that the entire thing was in the browser. I never really looked into it14:08
willcookeQUESTION:  Will I be able to do the equivalent of X forwarding via SSH under Mir? (eventually, not right now)14:08
alexmigfno, software is installed, associate services are cloud14:08
alexmigflike key verification, host files, etc14:08
faganalexmigf: Ah ok thanks for the clarification.14:09
SitUBUSitGoodDogQUESTION  will Ubuntu Phone be compatible with Phonebloks? https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/aB0AqLuqRvRObbi8GraS14:10
scharelQUESTION: will there be big visual differance between unity8 and actual unity14:10
faganscharel: its a complete rewrite of Unity focused around having 1 code base for phone, tablet, desktop and TV eventually14:12
mrQUESTION : Why didn't you just branch out from desktop instead of "breaking" desktop?14:14
cmdrjeythanks fagan, that's what I was looking for...14:14
kgunnivo_xavier: answer on mir is, mir uses mesa/dri2...and so, mir will support what mesa supports, that being said i think dri2 did drop some older gfx cards14:14
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Do you agree with then recent developoer ]]14:14
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Do you agree with the recent developer critisms of OpenGL14:16
faganmrbronwstone3g: really good question, id guess that they wouldn't have strong opinions about it :)14:17
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Have there been discussions with Valve about getting steam running on mir?14:17
alexmigfSound from Oliver is bad14:17
NaveenLinuxQUESTION: Will MIR support eyecandy effects like Desktop Cube we have seen in Compiz? How does the effects converge accross mobile and desktop?14:17
faganmrbronwstone3g: SDL2 games will run on Mir right now. The patches landed about 3 months ago if I remember correctly14:18
faganmrbronwstone3g: so to answer your question a lot of games running right now will run on Mir right now too14:18
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Could you see your oem partners making steam boxes based on Ubuntu rather than StemOs14:21
kgunnmrbronwstone3g: fagan ...there is one lingering feature wrt games/sdl... mouse coordinate warping, its on our todo list14:22
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Has mir LLVM softpipe?14:22
NaveenLinuxQUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch consume less power than Android?14:22
mrbronwstone3gHas been profiled on LLVM softpipe?14:23
dshimerQUESTION: I am just a non-technical desktop user. Is there any value provided by my continuing to click "send an error report" for the things that seem to crash every time I turn my computer on or should I just disable the error reporting?  I'm willing if it helps but it is annoying. Or What else should I do?14:23
fagankgunn: Well its all a work in progress but my developer brain says when it runs thats a good sign14:23
sdglhmQUESTION: Does ubuntu touch drains less power than other Mobile OS14:24
faganIm really excited though for Mir so thanks for the work for gaming already since id go mad without it14:24
sdglhmOh seems Naveen already asked it :)14:24
faganOli: could you turn up the mic boost a little14:25
cmdrjeythanks for allowing me to listen in - gotta go to work14:25
mdeslaurnobody's actually made the _hardware_ yet14:26
ogra_should be possible to port14:27
faganWell Motorola have prototypes I thought14:27
loolrickspencer3, olli: if it ends up running android, I guess it could be ported to run Ubuntu for phones too14:27
ogra_if android runs on it at a decent version you can always do a port14:27
faganErrr well what ever the google part that they got of motorola is14:27
kgunnmrbronwstone3g: we are working on llvm integration atm14:28
xnoxoh, i thought this is in a -plenary14:29
faganOooh its not actually part of google but they have some things going in the area14:29
mdeslaurthey've made mock ups14:29
ogra_case only though, right ?14:30
mdeslaurI'm very sceptical it will amount to anything, but heck, I'm a pessimist :P14:30
faganThey set the release date for 2015 so they must have something done to be that optimistic14:31
mdeslaurif they made one of those 5 years ago, we'd all be stuck with a place to put a blackberry keyboard module14:31
xnoxmdeslaur: i'm clearly missing context. What's being discussed? =)14:31
mdeslaurxnox: phonebloks14:31
mdeslaurxnox: or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ara14:32
applefanlol ubuntu are u kidding me ?14:32
xnoxmdeslaur: that thing - lego for children of billionaires?! =)14:32
applefan:D14:32
applefanany apple fans ?14:32
mrbronwstone3gQUESTION:  Will there be any performance work on the software centre?14:33
LendingAHandQuestion: A little off-topic from the desktop, but will Canonical be making the source code for Ubuntu One available?14:33
faganxnox: well it would potentially be cheaper than a regular phone because when you want to upgrade you would grab a piece and just slot it in14:33
faganxnox: so instead of a new phone you get a new piece14:33
mdeslaurfagan: but that piece would cost more than the cost of manufacturing a glued together phone :P14:34
* mdeslaur remains sceptical :P14:34
xnoxfagan: economy of scale says that manufacturing blocks would end up more expensive.14:34
faganWell it does allow for competition in upgrading the parts if it actually takes off14:34
tvosso/14:34
faganso on the optimistic side of me ill wait to see it take off before I decide if its bad or good14:35
mdeslaurfagan: which is exactly why no manufacturer would want to do that if they can't get their own proprietary connectors :P14:35
ogra_olli, you are hard to understand, can you turn up your mic a bit ?14:35
faganmdeslaur: yeah that would be the fear with the thing. But since google are possibly pushing it they could make it work14:36
* mdeslaur writes "microphone" on olli's xmas list14:36
faganor at least that is what id guess14:36
tvossmdeslaur, +1 :)14:36
ogra_++14:36
faganQUESTION: I posted on reddit so ill just post the link http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/27v9vm/ask_vp_of_engineering_and_director_of_unity_and/ci4r8ke14:37
faganSome of it was already answered in part :)14:38
tvosshey :)14:38
tvossI'm around14:38
satorisSDL2 already supports Mir.14:40
beunoalso, Civ5 on Steam, how is anyone working today?14:40
beuno*Steam for Linux14:41
faganbeuno: well it was working on WINE before :D14:41
beunoI'd rather give them money for making things work on Linux14:41
sanjusanjay14:42
faganbeuno: yeah native is just so much better. Thats why its so exciting that all these games are coming out now. Technically the only games im truly waiting on right now is CS:GO and SC2 the latter probably never going to happen14:43
om26erQUESTION: There isn't any feature development happening on software center, whats the future of it ?14:43
faganom26er: they mentioned it at the start. They are doing the scope thing for Unity8 but the software center is pretty uncertain14:44
WinaelWith the all new things coming with UbuntuTouch (clickpackage, Mir, update images), will the interoperability with other distros still work ?14:44
WinaelQUESTION: With the all new things coming with UbuntuTouch (clickpackage, Mir, update images), will the interoperability with other distros still work ?14:44
om26erfagan, oh, I came in a bit late. thx14:44
Winael(that's better with the keyword)14:44
faganom26er: no problem they might answer in more depth anyway. It was just a passing comment14:45
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ogra_rickspencer3, since split greeter landed it degraded massively14:48
ogra_(power use nearly doubled up)14:49
ogra_rickspencer3, colins tools will be shipped by default in the next image14:50
ogra_(just seeded them today)14:50
faganReally want to get my hands on an Ubuntu phone14:50
dshimerHearing that crash reports matter, and that there is a better system coming makes this whole session worth it.  Thanks for the session and for listening to and interacting with users.14:53
faganthanks rickspencer3 and olli :D14:54
beunoyes we will make it available14:54
beunono ETA yet14:54
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LendingAHandThank you14:55
Z00Z00ZUbuntu 14 any plan to improve prrformance14:57
ptidav38090i'm happy14:57
Z00Z00Zcan u share the procedure for installing Ubuntu touch on any tablet running android14:58
cheeseheadUbuntu 14 doesn't use cat-based technology14:58
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Z00Z00Zcan you think of dual OS tablet,allow us to boot ubuntu or android ?14:58
rickspencer3thanks everyone14:59
rickspencer3sorry to go late14:59
WinaelThx for your aswers.14:59
mvothanks!15:00
Winaelit's a little bit more clear for the interoperability of the legacies15:00
Winaelthx15:00
balloonsjust a moment while we setup everyone15:03
balloonslooks like you are live bregma :-)15:06
mhall119some Core Apps already have preliminary keyboard navigation/shortcuts added15:16
balloonsbregma, how can we as users / testers play with unity8 and in particular, how can we report problems we find?15:22
mhall119QUESTION: I heard some people having trouble running the Ubuntu Next ISO after it was released, what hardware do you know that it works on?  Can I run it in Virtualbox or VMware?15:22
ivsrathere would be desktop for android cell phones?15:22
mhall119Does the Unity 8 preview session or ISO support installing Click apps from the new app store?15:23
mhall119QUESTION: Does the Unity 8 preview session or ISO support installing Click apps from the new app store?15:23
seb128mhall119, the current iso doesn't have autologin enabled (need a fix to land) so it can't be used yet15:24
seb128the iso is not going to boot on a VM since Mir doesn't work there15:24
seb128what bregma is saying ;-)15:25
seb128mhall119, bregma: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-click-ftd has the details15:26
mhall119thanks seb12815:26
seb128details for clicks on desktop15:26
seb128we had it working with mvo15:26
mhall119QUESTION: Is there a list of features yet that are going ot be added to Unity 8 for desktop use? And if so, where can it be viewed?15:26
seb128it mostly require some bugfixes to land15:26
mhall119QUESTION: How can I get started contributing to Unity 8?15:28
* mhall119 knows the answer, but wants it on video :)15:28
mhall119the shell specifically15:29
seb128mhall119, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-shell has details on the Unity8 planned work15:29
seb128it includes things like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-desktop-wm15:29
mhall119thanks again seb128 :)15:29
seb128yw15:29
mhall119you should be on the hangout15:29
mhall119ok, http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ then for developing on the shell itself15:30
mhall119and #ubuntu-unity on IRC15:30
seb128mhall119, the session was baged as "presentation" I though those were slides/somebody doing a talk rather than a discussion ... next time ;-)15:30
mhall119QUESTION: Do you know if Unity 8 will support different "modes" on different screens in a dual-monitor type setup?15:31
mhall119for example, if I connect a table to a monitor, will it be desktop on the monitor and tablet mode on the tablet?15:31
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  Are there any solutions being developed to allow mixed click/deb environments15:31
belkinsaseb128, I was confused on that too.  Maybe you can give feedback after the UOS when the survey comes.15:31
seb128belkinsa, yeah, I plan to15:32
* belkinsa gives a double thumbs up to seb12815:32
seb128;-)15:32
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  Will there be any paper cut like bugs fixed in unity 715:33
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  Will the click store have a unity 7 client?15:35
yanpasQ:Will unity 8 on desktop be so keyboard-mouse oriented as Cinnamon?15:36
mhall119mrbrownstone3g: not likely, unity 7 doesn't support isolation that click apps require to be trusted15:36
guesterwhat are the login and password for the iso? It asks for both on the greeter15:36
mhall119bregma: your poor cat desperately needs your attention ;)15:37
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  What release of GTK will the nxt unity 7 releases be targeting?15:37
seb128hum15:38
seb128what do you mean there?15:38
seb128Unity7 and GTK are not tightly coupled15:38
seb128we landed GTK 3.12 in utopic, that's the version we plan to ship this cycle15:39
mrbrownstone3gthnxs seb15:39
dshimerQUESTION: If a big proprietary system decided to thow a billion dollars at converging and made it happen in 12 months would it be a good thing or a bad thing?  For example good would be making hardware and software ecosystems realize it is a real thing, bad would be passing Ubuntu and making it less relevant. Do you see this as a possibility?15:39
seb128but you can build unity on older GTK versions15:39
mrbrownstone3gI thought unity 7 used a gtk like toolkit15:39
mhall119dshimer: I don't think you can get there faster with more money15:39
mhall119mrbrownstone3g: I think he means that Unity 7 isn't very dependent on specific Gtk versions15:40
mhall119much of Unity 7 isn't Gtk, it's Nux15:41
mrbrownstone3gthanks for clearing that up mhall15:41
guesterQUESTION what are the login and password for the iso? It asks for both on the greeter15:41
seb128there are none, that's a bug15:42
mhall119seb128: what is the default username?15:42
seb128we have a fix queued, but it's blocked on the platform-api work to land15:42
seb128mhall119, I need to boot the iso to try again, you can go to a vt to see15:43
seb128ubuntu-desktop-next iirc15:43
Laneycome back in a few days15:43
LaneyI'm going to mail when we get something which works15:43
Laneysorry for the delays15:43
guesterk is there a mailing list i can join?15:43
Laneyit'll go to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com15:43
mhall119the Ubuntu Next ISO was just published for the first time yesterday wasn't it?15:43
Laneyit's been building for a couple of weeks15:44
yanpasQUESTION Will unity 8 on desktop be so keyboard-mouse oriented as Cinnamon? Dash like Spotlight in OSX Yosemithe for example15:44
* mhall119 got all his questions out15:44
Laneyguester: sign up here https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop15:45
guesterjust did ;-)15:45
mrbrownstone3gUnity is more of a semantick desktop and cinemon is a more wimp like interface15:45
Laneyokay15:45
mhall119thanks bregma!15:47
seb128you can also ask questions any time on #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-touch or #ubuntu-unity15:47
* bregma is off to tame his cat15:47
seb128bregma, thanks! (to you and to the cat)15:47
seb128shame the cat was not on the video15:47
bregmajust be thankful the dog didn't start up too15:48
balloonsawesome, thanks bregma15:50
balloonsI thought your cat was a small child for a bit :-)15:50
jutaro7QUESTION: Will compiz be part of the new Mir architecture? (Compiz was always unstable for me).15:52
guesterQUESTION should we switch to Arch in the meantime? ;-)15:54
seb128guester, why would you want to do that?15:54
belkinsaHow will the next session run?15:54
seb128jutaro7, no, no compiz in unity815:54
guester^^ seb128 you obviously didn't get the pun ;-)15:55
seb128guester, :p15:55
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seb128belkinsa: not sure, check with Trevinho, I think he's the one running it15:55
Trevinhoseb128: I've not the powers I think15:56
seb128Trevinho, to host?15:56
Trevinhoseb128: yeah15:56
belkinsaTrevinho, how this session run? Will people be able to join the Hangout?15:56
balloonsTrevinho, you have the power ;-)15:56
seb128Trevinho, did you try to start one?15:56
balloonssee my pm15:56
Trevinhobelkinsa: I'll show some things sharing my screen, then anyone can join if you want15:56
belkinsaAlright, I think that might be pointless unless you allow them to talk on how they use Unity.15:57
seb128belkinsa, well, for some definition of "pointless", some users don't know about keyboard navigation, or being about to middle click or scroll over the launcher15:58
belkinsaNo, I'm talking about that, I'm talking about pointless as being in a Hangout and not doing anything but listening and not talking about the topic.15:59
mhall119Trevinho: balloons: are you guys working on the hangout setup?16:02
Trevinhomhall119: yes, all done16:02
Trevinhobut if the hangouts preview is right I'm like invisible... weird it worked before -_-16:03
belkinsaI see it, Trevinho16:03
belkinsaBut that join link goes the page not the Hangout it self16:03
belkinsaI see you16:04
mhall119balloons: ^^ can you fix or remove the Hangout URL from the session?16:04
Trevinhosorry hangout has some trobule with me apperently16:04
belkinsaBut yeah, the preview is not working16:04
balloonslooking at it16:04
mhall119Trevinho: you can try without camera if it's a bandwidth problem16:05
Trevinhono it should work16:05
balloonshangout link is good16:05
balloonssorry.. youtube link is good, hangout link isn't correct16:05
belkinsaBut we need a new one for both now16:05
Trevinhouff, I've stopped the live, but i can't get back.. .need I to create a new one16:06
mhall119Trevinho: yes16:06
mhall119balloons: you might need to run it if he's having network issues16:07
mhall119so that we don't lose it again16:07
balloonsalready on it16:07
mhall119thanks man :)16:07
balloonsTrevinho, I will invite you16:07
Trevinhoin theory it was working well, when trying normal hangouts before16:07
Trevinhouff16:07
mhall119everybody else will need to refresh the page when the new video link is added, it won't auto-update16:07
balloonsanyone, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfFCR4mWWtEqOJSqdmqFq0fQh2lpkRroFv9oprL4vvTDQrvQw?authuser=1&hl=en16:07
balloonseverything should be good...16:08
balloonsTrevinho, if you can join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfFCR4mWWtEqOJSqdmqFq0fQh2lpkRroFv9oprL4vvTDQrvQw?authuser=1&hl=en16:08
nuclearbobballoons, what if we just want to watch?16:09
mhall119nuclearbob: then just watch16:09
nuclearbobwhere do we get the new link?16:09
mhall119refresh the page to get the correct video feed though16:09
nuclearboboh16:09
nuclearbobcool, thanks16:09
balloonsmaking sure network is good before we start16:09
balloonsjust a sec ;-)16:09
balloonspoor Trevinho and his internet16:11
mhall119we should buy him a new internet, we can expense that right?16:11
mhall119we can re-schedule this for tomorrow if it's just not going to work out today16:12
balloonswe should be live16:12
rpadovaniballoons, there is the 'starting soon' screen right now16:13
rpadovaniballoons, ok, you' re live :D16:13
balloonsrpadovani, et la.. let me know how this looks / works16:13
mhall119rpadovani: there's a delay before we get the feed16:13
ahayzen\o/ it is working balloons16:14
rpadovanimhall119, yeah I know :-)16:14
mhall119oh, I didn't know you could get the quicklist that way16:20
* mhall119 learned something new16:20
mhall119QUESTION: How does Unity know what apps can recieve the file?16:24
mhall119oooh, nice16:27
mhall119QUESTION: Are there any keyboard shortcuts for indicators?16:33
mhall119QUESTION: Also, you should show off the features of alt+tab and the difference with alt+~16:34
balloonsohh calc: interesting16:45
mhall119Trevinho: the overlay you have that shows what keys you press is very handy, what is it?16:45
balloonsmhall119, trying to squeeze in your questions, but :-)16:51
mhall119balloons: if he doesn't get to them it's okay, there's been a lot of good stuff this session16:51
balloonslol, I've never used the mouse in the switcher16:53
balloonswho knew!16:53
bregmamulti-touch gestures also work in the switcher16:54
bregma(3-finger tap-and-swipe)16:54
mhall119bregma: nice!16:54
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balloonsbregma, and all this is in unity8 right? ::wink::16:55
bregmasoon....16:55
* mhall119 needs to talk to somebody about my fingerprint reader not working well with the new lock screen16:56
balloonsTrevinho, that was really great16:58
mhall119yes it was, thanks Trevinho16:59
seb128Trevinho, thanks for the nice session!16:59
Trevinhothanks, O hope things have been visible... I'll post few notes on the pad17:00
Trevinhomhall119: key-mon, with ubuntu theme :)17:04
TrevinhoOther stuff that was harer to say, and maybe nicer to read http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7629507/17:04
mhall119thanks Trevinho17:05
philoticthreadam i supposed to post questions in here?17:20
philoticthreadi want to ask a question17:25
philoticthreadhello?17:25
belkinsaYes, you may.17:25
philoticthreadthanks :)17:25
belkinsaBut it's lunch time.17:25
philoticthreadok never mind then...17:26
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amjjawadHi everyone, link is here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ17:53
gQuigshi startubuntu.. I'm double booked for this hour, but wanted to mention the site I created: amisupported.com17:54
gQuigsI would love help/ making it an official part of startubuntu17:54
amjjawadHi everyone, link is here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ17:54
gQuigsan alternative to: http://amirunningxp.com/17:54
amjjawadgQuigs: we can talk later maybe after the session :)17:55
amjjawadif you could please join StartUbuntu and we can talk on the mailing list or feel free to contact me :)17:55
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu17:55
gQuigsamjjawad: sure, will do, thanks :)17:56
amjjawadyou most welcome :)17:56
amjjawadballoons: you there?17:56
balloonsamjjawad, hey looks like you are setup17:56
balloonsawesome17:56
amjjawadhehe17:56
amjjawadyep, I'm done before 30 mins :D17:57
amjjawad2  mins to go ...17:58
amjjawadmy presentation last night was a mess so I did a better one tonight - hopefully ...17:59
amjjawadokay, 1 min to go17:59
amjjawadhere is the link again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ17:59
amjjawadballoons: are you joining?18:00
amjjawadOkay, I guess I will start and you guys could join then :)18:01
balloonsyep, I'm watching ;-)18:02
amjjawadballoons: are you seeing me?18:03
amjjawadhearing me?18:03
balloonsamjjawad, yep18:03
toddcnbyes and yes18:03
amjjawadok18:03
amjjawadcan you see the screen?18:04
toddcnbyes18:04
balloonsamjjawad, yep we see the presentation18:05
balloonsthere is delay so it takes a bit for you to see our response18:05
jnxdI can18:08
balloonsinteresting history18:08
Goldena18:16
epsPerhaps http://start.ubuntu.com/ needs a link for "Are you looking for StartUbuntu?"18:19
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dshimerQUESTION: Is StartUbuntu meant to be primarily for education, advocacy, or support?18:21
toddcnbinstasllfests ++++18:24
epsQUESTION: How do you feel (good/bad/indifferent) about installing an XP lookalike theme for switchers? e.g. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/windows-xp-theme-lubuntu18:27
epsYes, a Windows XP theme for a Linux system.18:29
dshimerQUESTION: If you are trying to do everything, would it be better to split the website into sections for those who need the information about switching, and those who want to provide the information?  For example it looks like I could find good information about promoting Ubuntu, but I would have a hard time pointing a friend to a specific page that18:30
dshimer would help them decide.18:30
toddcnbeps we run 2-3 installfests per month but fond better luck using stock theme a windows theme made them try to use it like windows18:31
KapandaQuestion: Must windows users dont like to use terminal to install applications what can we suggest to make things easier because wine does not run certain windows application.18:37
dshimerKapanda: I really like PlayOnLinux as a method of managing WINE applications.  First I do it for them, then once they are a little more experienced I teach them how to use it.18:40
toddcnbI avoid wine/windows if at all possible better to learn linux apps than cause more trouble18:42
KapandaThanks Dshimer, I also find PlayOnLinux works wonders. But there is a problem I discovered when you connect a Graphics card to Ubuntu it gives you a black screen.18:45
dshimerI agree completely with avoiding wine, I was just expressing the opinion that when I come across a person who has one program that is a deal breaker, I would rather help them get it running instead of telling them that can't use Linux.18:48
amjjawadballoons: I feel bad I'm talking to myself :(18:48
toddcnbthank you amjjawad18:49
balloonsamjjawad, sorry I was listening to you and others18:49
dshimeramjjawad: you aren't, it was very helpful and informative, I feel like I need to dig into it and feel like many questions will come up and be answered on the site.  Great project18:49
amjjawadballoons: no problem18:49
balloonsamjjawad, but yes.. it's weird after an hour isn't it?18:50
amjjawadI miss last night session18:50
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad18:51
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/18:51
balloonsawesome.. thanks amjjawad for the session18:51
epsThank you!18:52
amjjawadyou most welcome18:52
amjjawadI thought there will be so many people tonight18:53
balloonssometimes sessions overlap.. it's tough18:53
amjjawadhope the presentation was good?18:53
balloonsanyways, video makes it easy to share18:53
balloonsso send out the links :-)18:54
amjjawadI feel sad though but if that was helpful and useful session that that could make me better :D18:54
amjjawadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMv3hmEr3s18:54
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balloonsamjjawad, no reason to feel sad!18:56
amjjawadballoons: ok :D18:56
amjjawadballoons: I have something to show you18:57
amjjawadhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team18:57
balloonsI linked to reddit18:57
balloonsamjjawad, interesting.. I'm curious to see how that works out18:57
amjjawadyep, no one yet replied from my time - not sure why :D18:57
balloonsI need to mail some of the other flavors and pitch the idea18:58
amjjawadbut I will try to use my magic and convince them hehe18:58
balloonsperhaps you could chime in18:58
amjjawadsure and you always have me in case you need anything18:58
amjjawadballoons: I have a very bad headache and I didn't wish to skip this session at all but now, I feel so tired .. anything else you need before I go?19:03
amjjawadif you need anything about the sessions or the HR idea, please let me know19:03
amjjawadI guess I will shut down and be ready to bed :)19:04
amjjawadguess you're busy so cya and thanks for everything19:05
RenardAm I late?19:10
balloonsRenard, for the last session on startubuntu?19:11
balloonsif so, yes19:11
Renardfor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH6dC6SeS4Y19:11
balloonsRenard, ohh yes very late :-) feel free to watch the video!19:11
RenardOh. :p19:11
racarr_You are live :)19:45
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