[00:00] <MichaelOx> Hi guys.
[00:00] <MichaelOx> I have just downloaded viber for linux
[00:01] <MichaelOx> and installed it on my 14.04
[00:01] <MichaelOx> However, I get a small viber icon at the top left of my screen
[00:02] <MichaelOx> and it is very annoying as it overlaps the exit symbol "X"
[00:02] <MichaelOx> Did someone experience something similar?
[00:02] <MichaelOx> Can somebody help me?
[00:03] <maps|wrk> i havent tried viber on there, sorry :<
[00:03] <maps|wrk> could you not perhaps just move the icon
[00:03] <daftykins> MichaelOx: yeah you're unlikely to get anything different here.
[00:04] <diddledan> I don't even know what viber is
[00:05] <maps|wrk> a message communication thing people use on phones
[00:05] <maps|wrk> allows you to send messages over the net and also voice calls
[00:05] <diddledan> aah. skype :-p
[00:05] <maps|wrk> there's an app for pcs, guess there's a linux client
[00:05] <MichaelOx> thanks a lot for your reply guys
[00:05] <maps|wrk> ya kinda
[00:05] <maps|wrk> basically
[00:05] <MichaelOx> yes, I decided to switch to ubuntu
[00:05] <diddledan> +1
[00:05] <maps|wrk> but like..i guess he means the app icon? cant he just move the app like customize the system bar?
[00:06] <diddledan> it might be a rootless window
[00:06] <MichaelOx> yes, it is http://www.viber.com/products/linux/
[00:06] <maps|wrk> will load it in asec
[00:06] <maps|wrk> :)
[00:06] <maps|wrk> viber works quite well, used it to call my friend in czech
[00:07] <MichaelOx> thanks a lot man :)
[00:07] <maps|wrk> but yea i guess it is just skype
[00:08] <diddledan> thing is skype isn't "just skype" anymore since the borg took over
[00:08] <daftykins> thing is, are you both on the same version?
[00:08] <daftykins> (of ubuntu)
[00:08] <maps|wrk> hm is it not possible to right click on the task bar and maybe customize it?
[00:08] <daftykins> also, surely we don't support third party .deb's
[00:09] <maps|wrk> yea im not im on xubuntu and like 12.10
[00:09] <maps|wrk> i thought its simply a customization issue though daftykins  like moving the system tray icon or summit
[00:09] <MichaelOx> I'm using 14.04 desktop edition...
[00:09] <MichaelOx> I couldn't manage it...
[00:09] <MichaelOx> I'm posting a screenshot in a minute..
[00:10] <maps|wrk> ok:)
[00:10] <daftykins> if it is user config based, test the same program in a guest session if possible
[00:10] <daftykins> or a fresh user account
[00:11] <MichaelOx> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-06-11_01__07__24-OxfQuO4J.png
[00:11] <MichaelOx> here it is :)
[00:11] <MichaelOx> I'm new at linux... So for you it might be something very easy...
[00:12] <MichaelOx> You can see the icon at top left...
[00:12] <MichaelOx> and it does not move...
[00:12] <MichaelOx> at least by drag and drop...
[00:13] <maps|wrk> ah yea i see it
[00:13] <MichaelOx> Did you also download it maps|wrk ?
[00:14] <maps|wrk> i could but wouldnt be able to see what happens now as at work
[00:14] <maps|wrk> also using xubuntuy mate
[00:14] <MichaelOx> ooo
[00:14] <MichaelOx> anyway, thanks...
[00:14] <MichaelOx> Do you know what might be a possible solution?
[00:15] <maps|wrk> my suggestion would be to post on ubuntuforums - hopefullly someone there can help morethan me
[00:16] <daftykins> don't you have to right click unlock the panel first? if it's one of those things
[00:16] <daftykins> otherwise, you might want to change to individual window controls
[00:17] <MichaelOx> @daftykins, unlock the panel? What is this?
[00:18] <daftykins> not sure if it's appropriate to Unity
[00:19] <daftykins> but before you could drag stuff about in the past, you had to right click on a panel and choose 'unlock'
[00:19] <MichaelOx> ooo..
[00:19] <MichaelOx> Yeah, I used centOS, I remember...
[00:19] <MichaelOx> No, It's not like that...
[00:20] <daftykins> ok, individual window controls might be the last option then
[00:20] <daftykins> ultimately you've installed a program which is not supported under unity so it's making the theme go all funny
[00:20] <daftykins> which is why i called it unsupported from the word 'go' in the other channel :>
[00:20] <maps|wrk> ah
[00:20] <maps|wrk> i didnt know
[00:20] <maps|wrk> use lxde/kde and all will be fine
[00:20] <maps|wrk> or xfce
[00:21] <MichaelOx> hmm... the fact is that Viber had released the program a few months back
[00:21] <MichaelOx> and they say they had test it on Ubuntu
[00:22] <maps|wrk> hm
[00:22] <daftykins> correct, and 14.04 has been out for... 1 and a bit
[00:22] <ali1234> what's the problem? the icon in the top left?
[00:22] <daftykins> apparently.
[00:22] <maps|wrk> yea
[00:22] <ali1234> is viber written in java by any chance?
[00:22] <MichaelOx> Unity is the default after 10.4 I guess...so they might have test it on that and not on lxde/kde etc...
[00:22] <daftykins> now that would explain something
[00:23] <ali1234> i've seen this bug happen when java apps try to create a tray icon... instead of drawing in the tray, it draws in the top left of the screen instead
[00:23] <MichaelOx> Hi Ali1234. I have no idea what language they used...
[00:23] <daftykins> it's the wrong Java, gromit.
[00:24] <MichaelOx> yes, the icon is the problem. It overlabs the exit "X" and I cannot close the other windows if they are maximised
[00:24] <MichaelOx> ... It's there all time while Viber runs...
[00:25] <daftykins> alt+space -> x :D
[00:26] <MichaelOx> Very useful :) yeah, this is what I am doing :)
[00:26] <MichaelOx> But it shouldn't be like that...
[00:26] <daftykins> nope, complain to Viber
[00:26] <daftykins> ali1234: do you recall whether the runtime influenced anything?
[00:27] <ali1234> it's not java... it's Qt... and ships with a static Qt
[00:27] <MichaelOx> I should, but I do not think they will pay any attention...
[00:27] <ali1234> but i bet it's some kind of similar problem
[00:27] <ali1234> see if there is an option to disable system tray?
[00:27] <ali1234> that's the only workaround iknow
[00:28] <daftykins> MichaelOx: imagine if the Allies decided it best not to bother telling Hitler they disagreed.
[00:28] <ali1234> "i hold in my hand a piece of paper"
[00:29] <daftykins> that's wasted on me if it means something
[00:29] <ali1234> google it
[00:29] <ali1234> basically we don't need to imagine it
[00:29] <ali1234> because it happened
[00:30] <MichaelOx> No, it doesn't have any option to disable system tray
[00:30] <MichaelOx> the fact is that my easiest solution now...
[00:30] <MichaelOx> Is to go back to windows... :p
[00:30] <ali1234> i can't really give you as easy solution for this
[00:31] <ali1234> i could probably fix it by hacking dlls
[00:31] <ali1234> but that's pretty hard
[00:31] <daftykins> ali1234: was the declaration of war not an admission of disagreement ;)
[00:31] <ali1234> maybe you could blacklist the tray icon in unity
[00:31] <ali1234> daftykins: yes, *eventually*
[00:31] <daftykins> so you're splitting hairs
[00:31] <ali1234> it's what i do
[00:32] <daftykins> MichaelOx: tbh if you give up on Linux 'cause of one little icon in the wrong place... bye :) don't let the door hit you on the way out!
[00:32] <maps|wrk> whys everyone so hostile!
[00:32] <ali1234> it does make it impossible to close windows...
[00:32] <maps|wrk> ;[
[00:33] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray <- there is a system for blacklisting tray icons in unity
[00:33] <ali1234> the icon might be doing that because it is blacklisted and so cannot show in the tray
[00:33] <MichaelOx> no
[00:33] <ali1234> or alternatvely, if it isn't blacklisted already, then blacklisting it might make it go away
[00:33] <MichaelOx> I have sound problems also
[00:33] <daftykins> maps|wrk: hang out in #ubuntu more, you'll see :)
[00:34] <MichaelOx> and I also had graphics problem and spend out 3 days to solve it..
[00:34] <ali1234> however, i do not use unity, so i can't really help you with finding the settings, which have probably changed since that answer was written. you'll need a unity user to guide you
[00:34] <MichaelOx> Actually, everything works flawlesly in windows..
[00:34] <MichaelOx> However, this is not the case for linux..
[00:35] <MichaelOx> Thanks a lot @ali1234 :)
[00:35] <MichaelOx> I will try that now :)
[00:37] <daftykins> oh Captain Magenta.
[00:39] <MichaelOx> Didn't get that
[00:39] <maps|wrk> nor me
[00:39] <maps|wrk> :(
[00:40] <daftykins> i'm watching Captain Scarlet
[00:40] <daftykins> such a classic
[00:41] <maps|wrk> ahhh
[00:43] <daftykins> it's quite amusing how bad the bad guys are in this
[00:43] <ali1234> is captain scarlet the one where they have cars that drive backwards?
[00:44] <daftykins> the drivers that sit backwards :D
[00:44] <ali1234> same thing
[00:44] <daftykins> nah
[00:44] <ali1234> now who is splitting hairs?
[00:44] <daftykins> quite a good idea that, for crashes
[00:44] <daftykins> well i thought i'd show you what a timewaste it is :)
[00:44] <ali1234> yes but when you accelerate you hit your head on the monitor
[00:45] <ali1234> and you'd get really seasick due to the monitor showing the opposite movement to what you feel
[00:46] <daftykins> if only they were some kind of... trained personnel
[00:48] <ali1234> according to wikipedia the monitor image is flipped (and presumably also the controls) which would counteract this
[00:48] <ali1234> if that is true then kudos to the andersons for actually thinking about it
[00:48] <daftykins> :D
[00:49] <daftykins> in one of the earlier episodes, Big Ben featured
[00:49] <daftykins> there was a situation where Big Ben struck midnight and chimed 13 times, it was quite entertainingly explained :)
[01:44] <maps|wrk> what are ye all upto :D only 1 tv series for me today
[01:44] <maps|wrk> :((
[01:46] <daftykins> one more ep then bed
[01:47] <maps|wrk> :D captain scarlet? never seen
[01:47] <daftykins> :O
[01:47] <daftykins> totally a kids show really, but amusing
[01:47] <daftykins> same guys as Thunderbirds
[01:49] <maps|wrk> ah
[01:49] <daftykins> bit o' harmless sci-fi :>
[02:17] <maps|wrk> wahh
[02:17] <maps|wrk> my neck hurts when i move
[02:17] <maps|wrk> ;[
[06:21] <Myrtti> huomenta
[06:23] <Myrtti> mmm cake
[06:29] <Myrtti> generic rant and whine about oem disabling LTS upgrade to 14.04
[06:42] <Myrtti> hm.
[06:50] <Myrtti> meh
[07:02] <Myrtti> I must've slipped through a temporal crack
[07:22] <Myrtti> moin TheOpenSourcerer
[07:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo Myrtti
[07:23] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: since you guys would probably know this instead of me going looking for it, what are Odoo's plans for Python3?
[07:23] <Myrtti> I tried to look in the most obvious reliable sources but couldn't find anything
[07:24] <awilkins> security.ubuntu.com seems to have misplaced it's file system
[07:24] <nigelb> Hello Myrtti, TheOpenSourcerer
[07:24] <awilkins> This is annoying, since I'm trying to install a package from there
[07:26] <awilkins> Oh, maybe I need to update
[07:26] <awilkins> Fair enough
[07:26] <awilkins> Previous version was apparently replaced quickly
[07:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Myrtti: Not sure right now. I Don't think Odoo has been ported.
[07:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning nigelb
[07:28] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: I don't think so either, but has there been any plans that you've heard of?
[07:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've seen some discussions but no commitment.
[07:29] <Myrtti> right.
[07:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Check the community mailing list (was/is still on launchpad I think for now. But they are moving to Github).
[07:33] <Myrtti> http://www.theonion.com/video/more-office-workers-switching-to-fetal-position-de,36240/
[07:58] <Myrtti> Spot the Dog creator Eric Hill dies http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27778846
[08:04]  * TheOpenSourcerer read that as "Spit the Dog" to start with :-D (i.e. Bob Carolgees)
[08:26] <popey> \o/ 30 mins conversation with Mother in Law about what computer she should buy.
[08:26] <foobarry> chrome pc?
[08:27] <foobarry> alienware big green alien?
[08:27] <popey> chrombooks didnt even enter into the conversation
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:27] <popey> desktops, pc laptops and osx laptops did
[08:29] <foobarry> chromebooks have small scren size , an oversight for the older generation especially those who seem to only use a browser
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ferris Bueller Day! :-D
[08:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:34] <bigcalm> Bueller...
[08:34] <bigcalm> Bueller...
[08:34] <bigcalm> Bueller...
[09:12] <foobarry> if i write something on an open group, does it appear in my friends main feed? or in their toielt roll feed on the side? or nowhere if they are not in the group
[09:12] <foobarry> (facebook)
[09:14] <popey> i didnt think anything in groups appeared in your friends feeds unless they're also in the group
[09:15] <foobarry> wasn't sure if that also applied for open groups
[09:15] <foobarry> sure i've seen people do things on pages i'm not part of but maybe they are pages they have "liked" not joined
[10:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: fantastic we should all scive off work for the day then right?
[10:08] <JamesTait> davmor2, I couldn't possibly comment on such a suggestion.
[10:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: sure, nobody would notice ;)
[10:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can replace yourself with a script you know you can :P
[10:15] <foobarry> i thought JamesTait was a bot for about a year
[10:15] <foobarry> he only said the welcome announcement and never spoke for reset of day
[10:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: On occasion, I have. Still charge the client for my time though
[10:15] <davmor2> foobarry: you think he isn't now?
[10:16] <foobarry> he may have added new features
[10:16] <JamesTait> I am completely operational and all my circuits are functioning perfectly.
[10:17] <davmor2> foobarry: he was the first to pass the turing test
[10:19] <foobarry> i noticed the turing test was passed by people who thought the bot was a 13yr old boy
[10:19] <foobarry> thats hardly a test of humanity
[10:20] <foobarry> grunt urrr meh minecraft shut up yeahh
[10:20] <davmor2> foobarry: you were fooled JamesTait the greeter anniversary bot :D
[10:21] <bigcalm> http://hijinksensue.com/comic/more-human-than-human/
[10:23] <Myrtti> foobarry: there's been some discussion that criteria used during the test wasn't quite en par what it should've been
[10:55] <NET||abuse> I may have said this in the past, but i'll say it again, unity's "ownership" of the alt key, is driving me mad
[11:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/wildling-wannabes-make-a-crossbow-from-office-supplies/ :-D
[11:14] <foobarry> found a way to download a pdf from scribd without a paid account if you just want 1 file
[11:30] <bashrc> NET||abuse: I find it annoying when using Emacs in full screen.  I don't know if there's a way to turn off the dash on an application specific basis
[11:41] <davmor2> foobarry_: you mean you don't just print the page as a pdf?
[11:44] <foobarry_> does that work davmor2
[11:45] <davmor2> foobarry_: I don't know it's just what I do if there is page I want and I know there is not going to be internet connection where I'm going
[11:47] <foobarry_> sure.but scribd is different
[11:47] <popey> no
[11:47] <popey> its a flash based thing
[11:48] <popey> scribd is a terrible service
[11:51] <foobarry_> they are protecting their (usually coprighted) content
[11:51] <foobarry_> not sure how they are legal
[11:51] <foobarry_> youtube is similar i guess
[12:00] <popey> foobarry: is almost always isn't their content
[12:00] <popey> e.g. a letter netflix sent to verizon was on scribd yesterday
[12:32] <awilkins> scribd were supposed to be re-doing everything as HTML 5 no?
[12:35] <awilkins> Looking at scribd : appears to be an HTML5 page that queries their asset servers for pages as JSON
[12:37] <popey> doesn't make any difference what technology they use
[12:37] <popey> they still hold PDFs you can easily get elesewhere to random for download
[12:38] <popey> and some you cant
[12:39] <ali1234> alright popey keep your fedora on
[12:39] <awilkins> Well, yes, they do seem a bit shonky
[12:43] <popey> hah
[12:46] <bigcalm> directhex: you're not wrong about Wii U updates being painfully slow
[12:47] <directhex> it's nintendo's servers. i checked my router traffic, it never passed 1mbit
[12:49] <davmor2> ali1234: is it a red fedora
[13:00] <foobarry> scribd do a give one, get one policy for free users
[13:01] <foobarry> so if you want a particalar pdf to download, you have to upload a unqie pdf
[15:45] <mapps> hello all
[15:46]  * bigcalm tickles popey and then freakyclown
[15:46] <popey> ☻
[16:00] <bigcalm> Really want steak at tonight's LUG
[16:00] <bigcalm> Will enjoy a nice salad instead
[16:00] <bigcalm> But can I stop myself from having cheesy garlic bread?
[16:03] <popey> wuuuuut
[16:03] <popey> why not have steak?
[16:08] <bigcalm> Trying to lose some weight. The steak comes with too much that is yummy
[16:08] <bigcalm> Also, I'm having a dry month
[16:08] <bigcalm> So on the diet pepsi tonight
[16:08] <bigcalm> Will be odd
[16:08] <davmor2> haha
[16:09] <bigcalm> Can't have a dry July, that's when I'm on a boat
[16:09] <bigcalm> And it will be tricky having a dry August with the RAT
[16:10] <bigcalm> Though generally cutting back will be a good thing
[16:13] <awilkins> Have steak with no yummy bits
[16:13] <awilkins> The meat is protein rich which satiates the appetite and helps you resist cramming your face with carbs later
[16:14] <awilkins> Salad is mostly water and does not
[16:14] <awilkins> Order it -sans- fries / potato
[16:20] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:46] <Seeker> I see tweetdeck has an XSS bug
[16:50] <bigcalm> Hehe
[16:51] <Seeker> 10.5k retweets in 10 mins apparently
[16:54] <mapps> :D
[17:34] <ali1234> the huge recompressing finished and i managed to increase the compression ratio by a factor of 5... and it only took like 5 days
[19:21] <Saur0> hi can anyone help me get my head around a postfix problem?
[19:31] <daftykins> Saur0: #ubuntu-server or #networking might be better
[20:12] <gebbione> any serious pdf editor in ubuntu
[20:13] <gebbione> pdf mod and editor really look lame
[20:43] <diddledan> wow - I really should sleep
[20:44] <diddledan> I've been messing with ipsec for nearly 48 hours straight
[20:45] <diddledan> blurryvision ftw