[06:21] <eridu> is there a way to increase the delay to show the HUD on an alt tap? it appears when I use M-f in emacs and steals focus
[07:50] <dednick> well this just sucks...
[07:56] <Cimi> hi guys
[08:12] <mhr3> pete-woods, ^^
[08:13] <pete-woods> Cimi: welcome back to merge fun on your infographics branch
[08:13] <pete-woods> hope you had a great hol beforehand :)
[08:13] <Cimi> ahah
[08:13] <Cimi> still booting brain
[08:13] <pete-woods> :D
[08:21] <Cimi> Saviq, I think the touchdown is fine, what do you mean is weird?
[08:21] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card_touchdown/+merge/221113
[08:21] <Cimi> I don't know how we can possibly do it different
[08:41] <larsu> MacSlow: hey! Did you see my proposal to get rid of the redundant timeout hint? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-notifications/revert-timeout/+merge/222218
[09:17]  * Cimi reboots after dist-upgrade... see you or not
[09:27] <MacSlow> larsu, oh... didn't look at that yet... just replied to your comment on my initial MP
[09:29] <larsu> MacSlow: you did? I can't find it. https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/fix-1295762/+merge/218648
[09:40] <larsu> MacSlow: I guess you mean on the bug?
[09:40]  * larsu wonders why he wasn't subscribed to the bug
[09:57] <Cimi> who has issues with latest dist-upgrade_
[09:57] <Cimi> ?
[09:57] <Cimi> I have no X11
[09:58] <Cimi> startx under root runs though
[09:58] <Cimi> no lightdm maybe
[09:58] <Cimi> I haven't touched the pc in the last 3 weeks
[09:58] <Cimi> just did a fresh dist-upgrade and boom
[09:59] <Cimi> on my laptop instead unity is still broken in utopic
[10:04] <Cimi> seb128, ? ^
[10:05] <Cimi> Saviq, is there any new issue with init that I should be aware of?
[10:17] <Cimi> ok on the pc was lightdm to be broken
[10:18] <seb128> Cimi, no known issue afaik, #ubuntu-devel might be a better channel to ask about utopic issues
[10:18] <Cimi> seb128, with lightdm, my pc goes in failsafe x and dies
[10:19] <Cimi> gdm is fine
[10:19] <seb128> did you look at the logs to see what's the issue?
[10:19] <seb128> can you share you /var/log/lightdm?
[10:19] <Cimi> seb128, I don't know which look shall I look at
[10:19] <Cimi> sure
[10:20] <Cimi> seb128, mightr be mir
[10:20] <seb128> we don't install/usr mir on desktop
[10:20] <Cimi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7627908/
[10:20] <seb128> [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration from /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/51-unity8-greeter.conf
[10:20] <seb128> that's likely your issue
[10:21] <seb128> you have unity8-greeter installed and it probably tries to use it
[10:21] <Cimi> mmm
[10:22] <Cimi> seb128, that is required by unity8-autopilot
[10:22]  * Cimi reboots
[10:22] <seb128> Cimi, unity8 doesn't play all nicely with desktop yet :/
[10:22] <Cimi> seb128, you fixed my issue!
[10:22] <Cimi> thx
[10:23] <Cimi> seb128, so I guess I will have to manually check to not install unity8-greeter
[10:23] <seb128> Cimi, mterry is going to look at making it work on desktop, but that's after RTM work in his queue
[10:24] <mhr3> Cimi, btw got my mail?
[10:24] <seb128> Cimi, otherwise you can install it but tweak you lightdm.conf to force unity-greeter instead
[10:24] <Cimi> mhr3, on the money?
[10:24] <mhr3> yep
[10:24] <Cimi> mhr3, so basically I need money and ale owes?
[10:28] <seb128> mhr3, you are giving money? ;-)
[10:32] <mhr3> seb128, yea, but you're too late, sorry :P
[10:33] <seb128> :-(
[14:11] <tedg> Hmm, no tsdgeos.
[14:11] <tedg> bregma, We're trying to land a silo that has an updated indicator-session to call the Unity8 logout API.
[14:11] <tedg> bregma, But neither charles or I has a working U8 desktop session.
[14:12] <tedg> bregma, Could you test that silo?
[14:12] <paulliu> tedg: Why can't you use unity8 session?
[14:12] <bregma> maybe later today, I'm focused on UOS at the moment
[14:12] <bregma> have you tried apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir?
[14:12] <tedg> paulliu, Mir went black, not sure why that is.
[14:12] <paulliu> tedg: The working unity8 should be Utopic.
[14:12] <paulliu> tedg: Are you using Utopic or Trusty?
[14:13] <tedg> I haven't had time to get it all working.
[14:13] <tedg> Utopic
[14:13] <paulliu> tedg: ok. Then, Please run glmark2-es2.
[14:13] <paulliu> tedg: see if it works.
[14:14] <paulliu> tedg: In the terminal, it should not print any "warning" messages. And it display a horse.
[14:14] <paulliu> tedg: On my machine, it prints "libEGL warning: failed to create a pipe screen for i915". Which means i915 is not supported to run unity8 right now.
[14:15] <paulliu> tedg: but for tsdgeos's machine I saw it works well.
[14:16]  * tedg updates
[14:16] <tedg> paulliu, Basically the same: warning: failed to create a pipe screen for i965
[14:17] <paulliu> tedg: hmm.. then it won't work.
[14:17] <paulliu> tedg: wondering nvidia or ATI works. But no for Intel chips.
[14:23] <paulliu> tedg: have to find some machine that uses nvidia drivers.
[14:23] <tedg> Yeah, I will as u8 becomes more desktop friendly.
[14:24] <tedg> Just trying to land one silo for now though :-)
[14:31] <paulliu> tedg: strangely is I saw indicator-session did call the corrent dbus call on unity7. Also we've tried that using qdbus can logout unity8-mir.
[14:32] <tedg> paulliu, Cool, so it should be an easy test :-)
[14:32] <tedg> Would like to see it tested from UI to logout though.
[14:32]  * tedg hears some people like to logout
[14:42] <paulliu> tedg: is there someone else who can run unity8-mir desktop? I'd also like to know what happened between.
[14:48] <tedg> paulliu, If you know of someone, I'm game, but my next target was bregma — so that's why I was pinging him :-)
[14:53] <paulliu> tedg: ok. Not sure. Most people uses intel chips because it doesn't need special drivers. But for now just not that good for mir.
[15:28] <dandrader>  MacSlow hey, iirc you have been playing with apparmor recently, right?
[15:29] <Cimi> dednick, mhr3_ are your brains working today or is just mine that is jet lagged?
[15:32] <dednick> Cimi: meh. i keep thinking i should be sitting at a pool.
[15:38] <MacSlow> dandrader, I wouldn't call it playing... for the most part I asked Jamie S. what I needed it to do as I didn't fully got my mind wrapped around AppArmor
[15:39] <MacSlow> dandrader, what are you after?
[15:39] <dandrader> MacSlow, dbus access for an app
[15:39] <MacSlow> dandrader, do you want to allow or restrict something?
[15:40] <dandrader> MacSlow, allow. it seems I have to provide dbus rules file
[15:40] <dandrader> MacSlow, but I have a faint recollection of people saying that apps would not get direct dbus access...
[15:41] <MacSlow> dandrader, yes... the dbus-privileges of click-apps is very limited
[15:42] <dandrader> MacSlow, so I was looking for an example on how it's done
[15:42] <MacSlow> dandrader, but for some "harmless" interfaces exceptions can be made... if you provide good enough reasons... but the policy in place for this I don't know by heart
[15:43] <MacSlow> dandrader, you'll mostly be interested in config-files you find under /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof
[15:45] <dandrader> MacSlow, hmmm, I see a bunch on dbus rules in /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/policygroups/ubuntu/1.0/networking
[15:45] <dandrader> MacSlow, thanks!
[15:45] <MacSlow> dandrader, for restricting clickapps from using notifications (via DBus) /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/templates/ubuntu/1.?/* needed to be touched
[15:47] <MacSlow> dandrader, you can play around with the settings and restart apparmor... then trigger some action and tailing syslog will show you if apparmor allowed or denied the access
[15:48] <dandrader> MacSlow, how do I restart apparmor?
[15:48] <dandrader> MacSlow, would a "restart lightdm" do it?
[15:48] <dandrader> MacSlow, do I also have to restart the session bus?
[15:49] <dandrader> (which "restart lightdm" does, I think)
[15:49] <MacSlow> dandrader, "sudo service apparmor restart" I'd think to recall
[15:49] <MacSlow> dandrader, that should be enough
[15:53] <dandrader> MacSlow, so to add a new policy_group I can simply put a new file over there?
[15:56] <MacSlow> dandrader, you can user apparmor_parser -d to check/verify you file first
[16:03] <MacSlow> dandrader, gotta run
[16:03] <dandrader> MacSlow, ok, thanks for the help!
[16:03] <MacSlow> dandrader, np yw
[16:31] <cwayne> Saviq: ping
[16:34] <mhr3_> Cimi, not really, but it feels somehow unreal to be back here
[16:36] <mhr3_> Cimi, btw is pretty much everyone working on u8 on the qt conf?
[16:36] <mhr3_> no tsdgeos, no mzanetti, no saviq...
[16:52] <tedg> paulliu, Do you expect the logout u8 MR to land soonish?
[17:04] <paulliu> tedg: Yes. I expect it to be land very soon. But tsdgeos have to review it. I don't mind if other people do a review but he have to run the UI test (integration test).
[17:04] <paulliu> charles: no. I don't have a timeline for it.
[17:05] <paulliu> charles: yes. They don't block each other. And should be landed separately. But if it doesn't work, we have an integration bug.
[17:05] <tedg> paulliu, K, we're thinking the indicator-session MR should perhaps land in the same silo with the u8 one.
[17:05] <tedg> paulliu, Land the full feature at once.
[17:06] <paulliu> tedg: agreed.
[17:08] <tedg> paulliu, K, thanks!
[17:20] <dandrader> mterry, do you mind approving it? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/fixBuild_lp1328850/+merge/222845
[17:20] <mterry> dandrader, ok
[17:23] <dandrader> mterry, I jumped the gun. there are more compilation errors further on
[17:23] <mterry> dandrader, oh, I haven't finished the build
[17:28] <dandrader> just another missing "#include <functional>"
[17:39] <mterry> dandrader|lunch, ah yeah in unitymenumodelstacktest.cpp
[18:01] <bregma> tedg, the indicator-session in the PPA doesn't seem to do the magic for me, so I need to set some environment variable or something?
[18:20] <tedg> bregma, Sorry, we pulled it out.
[18:21] <tedg> bregma, We decided to land with the u8 branch that paulliu has so the whole feature can land at once.
[18:21] <bregma> whaaaat?
[19:50] <tedg> kgunn, Would it be possible to avoid unsplitting the greeter until the "little hammer" is ready?
[19:50] <tedg> Going to make testing the indicator work difficult.
[19:50] <tedg> If we can't run it in the split greeter.
[19:56] <kgunn> tedg: that woulda been a preferred way fwd, but it was gonna take too long, and we'd be image blockers real quick...
[19:56] <kgunn> little hammer will come tho
[19:58] <tedg> Image blockers? Really?
[19:59] <tedg> QA didn't even file they all the bugs for the issues and they were ready to claim they were blocking images?
[20:07] <tedg> kgunn, What's the timeline for the little hammer?
[20:40] <kgunn> tedg: weeks not days...but not a month
[20:40] <kgunn> either
[22:27] <dandrader> mterry, ping
[22:27] <mterry> dandrader, heyo
[22:28] <dandrader> mterry, so I've made a change to lp:ubuntu/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu and would like to push it to a lp:~dandrader/... branch. But I don't know how the url  have to look like
[22:29] <dandrader> normally I do lp:~dandrader/project/mybranchname
[22:29] <mterry> dandrader, you can do  lp:~dandrader/ubuntu/utopic/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/blarg I think?
[22:30]  * dandrader tries
[22:30] <dandrader> mterry, yeah, that worked. thanks!